Nope never in the time I have had the account did it say "I agree to the terms and conditions". There were very vague notes of changes to terms and conditions but never anything asking me to confirm or abide to such T&C. I have also mentioned this too in my argument I believe that they don't notify players of any of these changes until weeks after which means that even if they wrote a new T&C since they take so long to notify players the period in which players are not notified are justifiably voided to the rules until site notification. Also the rules have to be worded specifically or clickwrapped once again. Meaning you can't just write we have updated our terms and conditions check them out here. If it isn't clickwrapped it's all prone to being void in court.

Also the user Lauda fails to realize this is the site as is now. When I first had that account opened it simply asked by checking the box you agree you are over 21 years of age in the district you reside in. Something along those lines. Was too wordy on age restriction with no T&C agreement.

I like how the defenders of the gate are up nice and early.

Also any rules that were modified without player knowledge is voided even if player did clickwrap. Meaning players should be notified every single time T&C changes if not all T&C that were adjusted before prior knowledge would be void. I know I find it funny to. Let's keep the smiles coming.

mentioning doesn't hold you liable to it.

I reopened this case with askGamblers today and I'd like to inform everyone on the forum and players of the site that with the research I have done I am more than entitled to that money and FortuneJack should no longer have a say in this matter.

The reason I say this with such confidence is this. Fortunejack does not bind or notify players of its T&C. Not when you sign up, not when you try to get your bonuses, never. Since I have never adhered to such terms and conditions or willfully agreed by terms or clickwrap. (A form of T&C agreement which makes you check a box before finishing sign up to the website or before making use of their services.) You guys are more than welcome to check yourselves that this is true. I the player having not been notified of such T&C till the winnings were removed from me and even then I was not told to abide by the terms and conditions. Since I have never entered any agreement. All the bug winnings play and plinko jackpot plays. So God damn it hand me my jackpot or I'll fly over there and have you cover the flight, the hotel fees and the days I missed work because you guys had no right to take anything from me in the first place!

Explain your way out of this one David.

PS if I take this to court all of your T&C will be VOID for the event as well as any other event that has occurred prior.

PSS this rule applies to ALL players. So if any of you guys on here are players of FortuneJack and have been wronged. You can apply this so they can't hide behind their T&C.

I signed up to the ToS so I also signed up to the part they would be liable of anything cause by their gross negligence. Also in ToS it says they will pay up to 30 BTC or its monetary value in terms of any problem arising out of the casino. Did I cause this problem? They did fully not me.

Yes I accepted but shouldn't that just be given anyways? Was a bug bounty supposedly right?

What I would also really like to know is why do they ignore explaining their liability rules 6 and 8 at all costs. Everytime I bring this up they ignore this and move to a different notion not once have I been given anything straightforward in its regards.

this and that have nothing to do with each other. Implying I had a certain balance and then reversing said balance when in regardless of it all with or without their bug money I would've had said balance for plinko bet is really completely different from what you're stating. I would've had the money to make the bet regardless isn't that what it all comes down to. I assumed I won money you can't assume I didn't have the money to play if I didn't have the bug money cuhz I readily made the deposits. You're gonna side with the casino for what to save your sig money? Really don't be a jackass. In my shoes you wouldn't argue anything your saying so don't assume the casinos position when you know you'd probably be arguing just the same as I am to receive payment. They can't negate all factors of what happened till this point and argue because of the bug they can't pay me. I've deposited and kept depositing so who's to argue I wouldn't get there that day. They created the what if possibility simply because they delayed the bug bounty. And keep this in mind even if they only gave 0.08 with the deposits I made after that would still have been enough for the jackpot. I'm gonna argue why they were so late with bug payment when seemingly to me they gave everyone's payment earlier. Also they'd have to pay anyone who clicked auto play even once the bug bounty because even if the bug was used under the BPS auto pay option it would still be considered being a bug. Anyone who won from the auto play but lost money overall should get the bug bounty. You wanna argue trite information like that to defend the company tell me I'm wrong in saying they should pay all users 0.08 BTC. Anybody in correlation shouldve gotten paid. If they didn't though and they start doing that now because of what everyone on this forum has said, that begs in question why they can't allow the deposits I made after to correlate the plinko bets. After all that's considered their fault too is it not? Are they now suddenly inclined to only correct faults of their choosing? They can't defend their position on bugs without accepting my position because that contradicts that they can't reverse anything that's been done. There's even conversation suggesting hes willing to reverse someone's winning they had paid out in adrenaline. Regardless of whether the bug had anything to do with it isn't the problem. If the company is so willing to reverse the decision of all problems that arose from the game Adrenaline then they would have to include all the possibilities that could've happened without the game in play.

They're trying to make it sound like it couldn't have happened without the bugged money but yes it damn well would have bugged money or not this isn't a theory it's a fact.

could I also add to this extent that the bounty was 0.2 I deposited 0.5 subsequently throughout the day and continuing onwards for the next night the amount total I would have had to wager altogether right before the plinko bet was 0.670 meaning I would've gotten to that bet regardless. I really don't see why they keep ignoring this logic. I'm supposed to accept its my bad luck that got a jackpot taken from me. It's more like they used an excuse to keep it for themselves.

I told him to add the amount I deposited after my jackpot had been removed but this guy seems to only care about his own position instead trying to be relatively fair in any regards to my case.

Yeah but, what if there's more than one whale. lets say 10 people with a balance of 10 BTC each all came to that casino to play on their machines only to find due to one being bugged none of those people earned any profits?

Also in reference to that link you sent me. Isn't that another clear example of manipulation? Its very funny that the events of global deposit manipulation happens on all their provably fair games. With that example they have the opportunity to reverse all bets at that time simply due to the fact that it was playing on opposite ends and claim due to a bug they have to reverse everyone's dice wager and all subsequent bets after right? Was this person awarded more bug bounty for making it aware on forums like I was? Because it seems to me they're subjectively glitching or creating small bugs on purpose with the intention of altering bets due to that event it's just that nobody thought of it to this extent. Dice is also a game that shouldn't even be subject to manipulation in anyway. How did that even occur? I've seen so many people use the same exact Dice format as FJ casino in so many other casino's yet none of them run into a glitch like that. Isn't the simplicity of provably fair the reason why it's promoted so well? Yet somehow on here, unexpectedly it would happen and that just so happens to return wagers of every person that came into contact with that game on that specific day. Whether they fell into a win or a loss. Isn't it strange that things like this very nature would happen over and over again?

This isn't even the fact of whether they're competent or incompetent. Who here has seen a Dice game glitch on where it rolls at opposite sides? Anyone see a glitch like that ever? I've never seen so much as a single problem other than lag in dice roll games. Tell me I'm wrong.

By you I do mean FortuneJack, and it's not a conspiracy it's just a theory because compared to the 0.08 they would have to pay out for the bug, what if the amount they had prevented in their casino from losing was greater? Wouldn't that just seem out of convenience a bug like that was in play that very given day? Considering an 80 BTC loss to 8 BTC loss (from bug bounty awards) wouldn't seem highly unlikely would it?

Also could you explain that last part? Does that mean that if the number stops before 1.98 in BPS? Sorry not very good at understanding the house edge for these games sometimes.

Is there a way you could manipulate the game and make it look like a glitch. In regards to the post you commented about the probably fair of the game itself not being provably fair because I refuse to believe for one second that this happened unknowingly and out of the blue on a game which was announced via email and notification to come play.

A system failure can occur because of a hardware failure or a severe software issue, causing the system to freeze, reboot, or stop functioning altogether. A system failure may or may not result in an error being displayed on the screen.

Keyword is freeze, reboot, or stop functioning altogether.

I didn't see the site fall into any non op status the whole time I was there.

And also in that regard I'm asking. How would that not go unnoticed. That should have been noticed in testing grounds. This is clearly negligence your telling me that not once did this error happen during the time they tested and released but miraculously just happened to begin upon its release? That's ridiculous

You say new casino. The casinos been up and running for 5 years. There's no way they wouldn't know the differentiation between the two and even then this begs in question as to why there wasn't any notification of a possible bug in this game when they had in fact did so well in notifying bug existences of other games to its players.

Do they not in fact test the games themselves before final release? I'm telling you there's no way in this world that could have gone unnoticed by the numerous amount of developers they had. How could they deny knowledge of its existence when it seems like everybody else could see the problem pretty plainly. Are you saying the developers were as stupid as I am or did they simply turn a blind eye.

From what I'm beginning to understand is they had every intention of doing this but since there was a player with about 0.009 BTC who miraculously hit the jackpot on plinko and made a big deal about them not paying out they explained the fact how I couldn't have possibly won with 0.009 BTC expecting you all to believe that's the whole basis of the case, but no that isn't.

The whole basis is the fact that FortuneJack screwed people intentionally with deposits whether big or small. So they should follow that very rule of bugs voiding casino winnings. They should reverse all reversals in the accounts for purposefully abusing the bug which made the accounts to be altered to begin with.

Am I? I didn't know how I won so that playing stupid? Let's say even if I did know. You're gonna tell me that excuses the casino somehow? No right? So why should any of us have to return any funds we won in a casinos attempted underhanded tactic to prevent its own losses from its players. All of a sudden because I revealed it are they willing to retract what they did? I doubt it because if they did they'd be in too much debt because of the amount of damage the bug would've done. So they don't really have a choice but to say they cheated all those players and refuse to return any kind of winning to anybody. Hows that work out for all the players. You think they're all ok with that? We prevented x amount of winnings but in return we'll give you 23 dollars as compensation!

Are you gonna be OK with that? Is a player who had a 3500 dollar account limit be OK with that when they clearly could have won more? Clearly who gains the advantage here? They limit anyone from making any gains for a single day. While sending 23 dollars to each player. This is clearly malicious manipulation.

Tell me Darkstar you pointed out there game was indeed available to manipulation so could there be in fact a way they could make this event seem like a bug yet it was actually the casinos malicious intent to make it seem the program was glitched?

It's very questionable that a staff would not notice this kind of bug. Regardless of how human they are. The bug in itself is pretty noticeable for anyone who has knowledge of the game correct? So how did absolutely no one on your developer side notice this? You guys are pretending to play stupid aren't you?

uhm... Okay but wtf... Lol listen to what you're saying. Is it just me or did you just admit that adrenaline does have a real problem and is not probably fair. So regardless of anything you did it was indeed your site's fault. That's what your saying right doesn't matter about any bets that came after regardless.

Also don't expect everyone to know what kind of game adrenaline is. That was my first time playing a game like that who're you to immediately make the assumption that I'm like every other gambler on the page.

No it would've been voided credit if they addressed it to us as voided credit. Or it would've been FJC if they allowed the game to be only played as FJC which is their free play credit they allowed real money to get poured into the damn thing. Then let me play over and over without doing a damn thing regarding the money. So hows it my fault. Why not just misguide every other gambler too and give them all jackpots and reverse there accounts too. The fact is you let me receive something then took it away saying it's a bug from something that shouldn't have happened. So take responsibility comparing 80,000 to 80 Dollars in my opinion isn't considered being responsible. Feel free to say something in regards to that.

And also you said you'll make more files public. Show the amounts of all accounts you reversed that day. Post amounts after adrenaline. Let's address everyone then. You wanna keep pointing fingers at me saying I'm acting out of hand. Show the results for all gamblers who had any ties with adrenaline bug. Then show results of the amount in their account after they had played with your voided credit and then show the reversal you did. I'm sure the community will understand what I'm getting at.

If you didn't want us to play with voided credit you wouldn't have allowed credit to be used in the first place. It's clearly obvious you guys did this to manipulate your losses.

Imagine that advertising to everyone one day to come play Adrenaline. Introducing new and old gamblers. With a whole crowd of people on your website I'm sure they all touched that game once. Let me guess something. You never gave any bounty to the people that lost on the adrenaline game that day did you? Tell us David. I'm sure you have some lovely explanation for that.

What you're saying states that you forced everyone to comply to your liability rule when none of those players had knowledge, see you guys never once addressed adrenaline would have bugs, yet on reddit you have bug bounties for mine and plinko. Why is it you guys didn't make public adrenaline might have issues when you knew it would?

Do we even have any proof you didn't intentionally malfunction that game to begin with? After all Darkstar pointed out that the game in fact could be manipulated. Maybe you slipped in that erroneous error knowing you could then in fact be entitled to reverse anyone's account as you freely chose. I'd like anyone to try to prove what I'm saying is wrong.

Also one last edit. I deposited 0.0095 BTC that night but that's myself. What about the players who had a higher account balance that night lets say people with 1 BTC or higher and wouldve made higher wagers on other games. I think this is good enough to accuse the casino of safeguarding losses.

You had released your other two games knowing it would come with bugs and you released that in a statement to reddit. Why didn't you release the same statement in reddit regarding adrenaline if you knew it would have a bug, if this was indeed your bug bounty in progress you would've told them about the event would you have not. In those games you knew they would have bugs so doesn't that mean in fact you could've known adrenaline had this kind of bug? My question is who was actually bug abusing was is the players or was it the casino themselves.

I'd like to point out a keyword in that sentence that makes your whole argument invalid.

What would happen if you were in a real casino and knew a slot machine was broken in such a way that the casino no longer had the edge, and the casino didn't happen to know that.  You use the broken machine to win some money that you later bet on the blackjack table--and you win big there.  Should the casino honor any of your bets?

Let me know if you understand what I'm implying to you or if you need bigger and more bolder words to specify what I mean.

Edit. Sorry if I'm coming out like an asshole but between you and the couple dozen of people who clearly posted the same thing as you it's a little annoying that you don't read the basis of the original post in full before deciding to post your own assumption regarding my case.