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One of the things I like about bitcoin from consumer perspective is it is a hell of a lot safer.
My fanancial information simply isn't being transmitted over the net or stored on someone else's server.
Well, you have to ask yourself, "What information?" The entire history of every btc you and anyone else has ever spent is publicly accessible, for instance. It is, in fact, being transmitted to everybody who cares to look. That is very much unlike a bank account. The difference is that your identity might(might!) be decoupled from the information in the blockchain, depending on the lengths you've gone to anonymize your transactions. Bitcoin is, however, designed from the ground up to permit 100% disclosure of all transactions via the blockchain, unless I'm mistaken (and many of you know a lot more about btc than I do, so apologies if that's an incorrect assertion.) There are different kinds of privacy. I don't consider a currency that has a public record of how it is spent to be particularly private, though it is more private in some ways and less private in others than fiat currency.
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Just watched part of them, at least. Comments. The first ( http://vimeo.com/63502573) goes all nerdy and idealistic in the first two sentences. Who cares. Tell me how it saves me money/convenience as a consumer, or at least how it might in the future. The second has the same problem, but the presentation is worse. Same with the third. What's needed is something that a dude living in Atlanta watching Nascar can understand in a 30 second tv commercial. Seriously. Bitcoin will never have the kind of long-term impact it's dreamed of having unless that happens, in effect.
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Thanks btw! Watching those now.
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That will be very specific to each business and each consumer.
That's a big problem! Fiat currency is universally useful to to every legitimate business and consumer, and btc needs to be as well if it's to have a long-term role in the world. A person who likes to play poker online will care about bitcoin different from the next person.
That's an almost irrelevant minority from the perspective of long-term success for bitcoin. Same with basically everything sold on silk road. Plus, many of the advantages that should be here now with Bitcoin are still out of reach. For instance, merchants can pass along their savings when accepting Bitcoin by offering a discount for that payment method and gain a competitive advantage. But few do this today. But if a customer was offered a 3% discount on the bill if paid using bitcoins, that alone might be enough to cause the average consumer to want to use Bitcoin.
That's because today there is no competitive advantage to bitcoin. For one, you're telling consumers to use a payment method that is objectively worse for them. There is no insurance at all for the consumer with btc payments currently. If they use Visa/Mastercard/Paypal to buy stuff from me, Visa/Mastercard/Paypal will protect them to some degree. As a merchant, that is incredibly valuable, because I'm not Amazon. I don't have a reputation large enough to precede me, and so I depend on the payment protection that Visa/Mastercard/Paypal offer my customers to ensure that the first time they buy with me (ie before trust is established), they can feel indisputably safe. As an example, I just bought a $1300 camera from a store in Taiwan over Ebay. I'd never have paid them in BTC, because if they screw me over, I have no recourse. With Visa I have recourse, and Ebay adds an extra layer of protection for me on top of that. That's the kind of thing that bitcoin needs to explain to consumers. If it's not there, then there's no reason at all for most consumers to use bitcoin, and it will remain a niche currency that isn't useful for most purchases.
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It's not easy enough yet. People won't care till governments start to fu.. oh wait.
I'm not asking people to care. I'm asking for a tool to help me make people care.
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I'm a long-time online merchant (going back to the 90s) with multiple partners, employees, and investors. I like bitcoin, and I'm interested in it, but one roadblock I've come up against multiple times is a concise, layman's explanation of Bitcoin and why the average consumer should care.
Anyone have good suggestions for an explanation of bitcoin that is oriented completely towards the practical? Either a video or a visual presentation of some kind is best.
I've watched videos and read presentations but so far everything I've read either ends up devolving into idealism or geeking out on tech. Neither is useful to the average consumer, to whom Bitcoin acceptance is key to its future success.
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If Bitcoin Store is their registered trademark, they will ultimately be able to have that domain seized, as it's clearly infringing. Same thing that happens if you were to register something like "Faceebook" (which Facebook already owns, having probably seized it from someone doing exactly this).
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There was an article somewhere that did just that, I kind of lost it. Could we make this thread the "official" thread that lists all the different conferences? I'll start - the next one I'm aware of is btc london, an invite-only event targeted at entrepreneurs, VCs, and hedge fund professional (I'm attending btw). Inside Bitcoins, NYC, end of July: http://www.mediabistro.com/insidebitcoins/
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more revolutionary idea:
take the 3600 coins made per day.. take the total miners by day. to give you a average income per person per day.
treat this as minimum wage a days labour.
EG (simplified) lets say there is 7200 miners = 0.5BTC per day per miner.
national minimum wage for US=$7.25 x 10 hours 72.50 national minimum wage for UK=£6.31 x 10 hours 63.10
so making an acceptable living lifestyle on bitcoin of 1BTC = $145 / £126.20 each
Isn't bitcoin meant to be a global currency? Why try to peg it to the minimum wages of only the very richest of countries?
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The biggest taxi company in San Fransisco will be running the 'We use coins' video starting Wednesday in 375 taxis! There are 75 taxis that have seat back monitors (pictured below on the right) for still images. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fleotreasure.com%2Fimages%2FCab.jpeg&t=663&c=y2qAZFBRxltOxQ) I am looking for San Francisco based Bitcoin companies who are looking to advertise their acceptance of Bitcoin. To help recoup some of the costs as well as promote Bitcoin activity in the area I am offering a limited number of spots for the very reasonable rate of 1 bitcoin. Thanks! What's the estimated CPM?
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scenario One want to move abroad?
step one. spend your life savings on bitcoin. step two. book a flight as if you only going abroad for the weekend. step three. get on a plane with just a carry on bag with just a pair of shorts, shirt and underpants (no suitcase of cash) step four. check out the localbitcoin people at your destination and cash out in local currency.
now these are the problems you have avoided. 1. the customs thinking your 3 day vacation is a permanent move due to lack of credit cards in your pocket or suitcases of cash. 2. customs seizing any suitcases of money/credit cards.
Why would you need to do that exactly? Why not just wire the money to the country you're moving to? You've saved yourself a grand total of about $35 by avoiding that wire. scenario Two you find out your wife is speaking to a divorce lawyer
step one. spend your life savings (except $£200 which you leave in the account) on bitcoins step two. show the lawyers your £$200 and tell her she can have half.
I have an equally naive idea: I'll withdraw my life savings into cash, and claim it was all gambled away. It's perfect! Nobody could possibly figure out what I've done. *facepalm*
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It seems contrary to the spirit of bitcoin to resort to the courts over a purely commercial dispute. Absent some fraud or theft on the part of Gox, I would rather see this settled in private. That said, this raises the question of whether "exclusive license" means exclusive of the licensor...
Sorry, what? So, if I break into your house and steal the USB your private key is stored on (an example - I have no idea where you store your private key), you won't sue me or prosecute? You'll attempt to "settle in private", meaning you will ask for your money back, I'll laugh and ignore you? What's your address?
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Why is it that whenever someone talks about not paying taxes, someone inevitably has to mention the fact that they are going to get audited or they are going to go to jail. That is sort of a given is it not? Why perpetuate the IRS's fear game for them?
When someone online talks about smoking pot or doing drugs it is not immediately followed by "You're so going to get a visit from the cops and your ass is going to be in jail".
Because the cops are, generally speaking, jokers. The IRS are not. Their ability to audit is impressively scary, trust me.
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That's not the same thing, I was asking if I could accept payments in bitcoin as an inapp purchase.
Definitely not. Apple takes a 30% cut off payments made through their platform. If they want bitcoin to be a permissible form of payment, they'll let users pay with it. Until then, no chance.
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also you are never going to end war while there are still nations. The only way bitcoin could save us from war is by ending the nation state entirely.
Good news! You're already free to go live in the paradise that is anarchy. Somalia. Enjoy!
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:-) good joke. haha.
I need to be short because I want to hold say 10 bitcoins and short 10 bitcons, so I want to be delta neutral.
Any other more serious suggestions?
I could borrow bit coins for 30 days and pay an interest. Any good lending service out there?
Rob
Transaction/cashing-out difficulties aside, selling your current 10 bitcoins and shorting 10 bitcoins is the same thing isn't it? In the former case, you have to buy 10 bitcoins back, but you can do it whenever you want. In the latter case, you have to buy 10 bitcoins back too. Selling and shorting are 2 totally different things. When you sell something, you no longer own it and take whatever payment you accept for said product and you are done. When you "go short" on something you invest money to promise to buy something at a later date in hopes it will go down. I think you're misunderstanding what actually happens when you short something. When you short, you first borrow someone's shares (if you're shorting equities for instance), then you sell them, promising to buy them back later. That's the actual transaction that's happening. In both cases, you're selling 10 shares. In the one case, it's 10 shares you already own. In the other case, it's 10 shares you've borrowed. Having 0 bitcoin is exactly as delta neutral as being long 10 btc and simultaneously short 10 btc.
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The most feasible plan so far is buy a large farm, remain part of the country where it is located for a while, build a fortress, a army, and only then claim independence (and the likely result will be a bloody war...)
Hahahahaha. You've read too many fantasy books.
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Ask your self which kind of money still can be used after this circumstances:
-fire -natural disasters -revolutions -financial crisis -war (including electro magnetic pulse and destroyed infrastructure) -death -several generations
If you're asking what'll be used after total upheaval in the world, including destruction of our infrastructure, it sure as hell won't be bitcoins. It might be gold. Might be iron. Certainly, gold has thousands of years of history of being used without modern infrastructure.
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I would just be curious of what kind of credentials you have.
What credentials does one need to stop oppression? Personally, I don't care if some people cant string two words together, We all here have one view, FREEDOM! If we cant get on in a society created by the society, We really are screwed! No we don't. You might, but the True Believers are on their way to being marginalized by people who are serious about Bitcoin as a currency, and not as some Ayn Rand fantasy.
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So I have to pay to get a reply? Also, I don't like your tone. You already sound like a government agent.
You sound like an angsty teenager.
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