Heyyy Guys , what do you think about the Bitcoin futures listings ?
Futures? They're nothing but the reflection of an actual article. A magnified, distorted reflection. but nothing more than that. And trust Goldman-Sachs? Goldman-fucking- Sachs? Prime architect of the 08 Crash? This is just another kind of IQ test. If you can't learn what banks like G-S did with PMs and apply that to BTC,, you have a -70 IQ. |
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The futures market is about to start trading right away. There are two factors: First, futures are leveraged so more money can be brought. Perhaps this is the fastest way for BTC to go to the moon. At the same time, the current stock of funds Not enough to support BTC continue to rise. Second, futures can be short, of course, for those of us to buy more to see the more risky, on the other hand can also balance the BTC price.
Well, that escalated quickly. Who could have seen a Goldman ZOG turd in the bitcoin punch bowl. |
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So the white morons in the west will end up holding the empty bag, but don't worry gomer pyle, your credit card debt that used to buy the BTC is still there  tick tock tick tock tic talk... waiting for the world of armchair financial geniuses to catch on to the fact that it was China which was first in on the whale sized buttcoin con-fabulation... and first out - with the recent crackdown greatly lessening the proportion of that 'market' in the hands of Sinitic parties. And with the handing over of the shell game to the usual suspects back in the west... the usual bagholders can expect to take it up the ass. Agin. Wealth and power - shifting east - but staying in the same grimy tentacles of a squid critter as always. GOLMAN LUVS GOLD - always has/always will. Everything else... is a means to the end of controlling 'my precious.' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u51qgNCyPAE Peter Cushing in Legend of the Seven Golden Vampires.... HAMMER TIME!
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We will see very soon Bitcoin Futures are launching in few hours. It could go both ways, crash to below $10,000 or pump above $20,000. But a crash is more likely. 1.) Remember that CME-BRR is Goldman-Sachs, aka ZOG, they own the western world and all its banking 2.) So ZOG now owns BTC First a little rally, then a wash, remember there is 300 billion USD of fiat paper that GS plans to steal from this market, and the principal clients are like winkelvoss siamese-twins that must sells billions of usd worth of btc without collapsing the price or seizing up the transaction record, better to sell 100's, and buy insurance from goldman-sachs when the real selling causes the price drop. mr. Gold: "Welcome to the fix, Bitcoin, have a seat with me in the back row and we'll watch the paper tails wag our dogs."
... So what the fuck did we all expect? For all intents and purposes, means Goldamn sets the reference rate. Hmmmmmmmmmmm Also means the Borg is Assimilating BitCoin And it ain't gonna be for anything other than the Goldman Collective's benefit Y'all ain't seen manipulation , yet. It will be glorious to behold Keep your nuts where they belong, folks. |
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i'm screwed. lol Coinbase requires 48 hours to clear my BTC from their vault before i can trade or sell. damn... won't be available until Monday morning 11ish. probably be half of what it is now.
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I am really curious to find out, too.
In my humble opinion, they will drive bitcoin price to the moon, at least at first, by using the future but making money in the bitcoin market.
It is much easier than shorting bitcoin, and they make profits while accumulating bitcoins in the market.
Once the price is sky-high and they have enough bitcoins, however, they will short and make money on the futu
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Gold: "Welcome to the fix, Bitcoin, have a seat with me in the back row and we'll watch the paper tails wag our dogs."
[ GS has been manipulating gold for years, and now it owns BTC ]
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So what the fuck did we all expect?
For all intents and purposes, means Goldamn sets the reference rate.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm
Also means the Borg is Assimilating BitCoin
And it ain't gonna be for anything other than the Goldman Collective's benefit
Y'all ain't seen manipulation , yet.
It will be glorious to behold
Keep your nuts where they belong, folks.
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Goldman-Sachs/CME-BRR-BTC - They were pumping BTC on wall st years ago. These futures are being brought in to allow whales to hedge while to exiting large positions. Plain and simple.
Time to cash out or hedge people. Things are going down hill from here
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- the way I understand is say a big holder of bitcoin (a 100 million worth) wanted to cash out say half his position but not roil bitcoin spot trading by just dumping thousands of coins in one go. So said holder buys an option to go short bitcoin and *then* dumps say 100 coins per day until they are finished selling. By hedging the price of bitcoin, they are locking in a set minimum price for each coin sold.
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Pretty much. There have been some very large gains created here, but it is going to be difficult for them to lock those in without washing out the market. Remember BTC has a large transaction backlog and no fed backstop. Beneath that shiny BTC price this thing is a mess. Everyone now knows how concentrated the holdings are. So you better think again if you think the likes of the Wrinklenuts twins care about the long term viability of BTC over those newly minted fotunes.
You watch, those dramatic "V" shaped recoveries are going to be a thing of the past
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RICO what's it good for? Who cares, its making me rich |
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The great Wall Street Divide over whether Bitcoin is a miracle or a bubble continues to grow, with Interactive Brokerage founder Tom Peterffy expressing his concerns about a bubble. The trader/investor has said that the price spike may continue, even up to $100,000 or more, before the price crashes.
The warning from Peterffy included commentary that Bitcoin futures trading may well spell disaster for the entire financial market, with smaller brokerages going in on the cryptocurrency and then going bankrupt. He is restricting his own traders to long positions at $5 per contract (as opposed to the normal $.80) in order to protect the brokerage. He expressed his bewilderment, saying:
"I'm extremely curious, this is an amazing thing. How silly people are, it is just amazing."
There is a reason its called 'crowd insanity', and its not new, most interesting is that this stuff is never taught, there are been dozens of BITCOIN like stock manias since 1400's all over the world, and they all end badly. 'Get Rich Quick', is probably the easiest way to rob people in all human history, majority are always looking for an easy path to life, which of course doesn't exist. |
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China did not ban Bitcoin. I honestly have no clue why people think that. They banned ICOs, because like 95% of them are scams, and they shut down exchanges because they could be used for money laundering. Quite reasonable moves, if you ask me. Certainly more reasonable than what I would expect from a totalitarian country like China.
They are planning their own cryptocurrency, but there are no news as to what will happen to Bitcoin then. I heard a rumor that they will only allow exchanges to accept their own cryptocurrency, thus serving as a gateway crypto of sorts, but it's really nothing more than a rumor at this point.
The level ignorance here is mind boggling, the simple fact is 90% simply don't care about reality, note that TRUMP's election was the BEGIN of the current shoot2moon BTC rally, and MAGA is very much a part of the BTC insanity Yes, the richest men in China all hold BTC, and publicly acknowledge it, and BTC is the 'currency of the gods' in China, its considered more valuable than paper-money, somewhere between paper and gold, YES China banned ICO from stealing money from retired ppl, china banned exchanges that were selling shit-coin, and the exchanges all moved to taiwan, so-korea, and russia, country's all friendly to ZOG criminal activity Note that this week with BRR-CME that Goldman-Sachs (ZOG) will now control the price of BTC  ... I suspect by controlling the price and manipulating it like they do GOLD (LIBOR) that in time GS will control the majority share of BTC. |
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How can we be expected to invest in this stupidity? Here is a guy trying to give Andreas a tip of $1.50. To do that, he paid $13.46 in fees. Does that seem like a sensible payment system? Not. It is garbage. SegWit didn't help with anything.  For me bitcoin is not a garbage.it is really helped me and my family so much things.especially the educatoun of my children and now i earned to build a new and much bigger house than before because of the bitcoin.so how can you say that bitcoin is a garbage dont judge bitcoin if you dont know the importance of it! BERNIE MADOFF made a lot of ppl rich, but he also hurt a lot of people, this is the point of BITCOIN, to only focus on winners, and deny losers exist Winners of every PONZI will always protect it in earnest, until it bites them, then they will be 'shocked'. |
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BITCOIN is a software, PONZI was a person, so U can't even compare apples&oranges here.
PONZI misdirected the use of postal stamps, but nobody calls for the banning of stamps.
1,000's of assholes, maybe 10's of 1,000's of shills are pumping BITCOIN and trying to convince NEWBS to buy BTC with their credit card,
BITCOIN is not a PONZI, but all the exchanges, and mining-pools, all the infrastructure of BTC is ran by common criminals.
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Once BTC collapses, there will be worldwide public demand to 'make good', to return the money lost, to go after those that got rich by screwing other out of their money.
South Sea Bubble is a classic example, over 10 years up&up, eventual collapse led to 1,000's of court cases and public demand for hanging those that pumped&dumped the stock.
This time will be no different.
Today its called RICO, when men organize in collusion to defraud others.
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You can't even call Bitcoin a ponzi scheme from your definition alone. Bitcoin isn't run by any operators or organizations, and while everyone does benefit from more investments, no single entity can control where it goes. Bitcoin cannot even be categorized as a scam, because no one is fooling anyone, and there are no inner workings that result in people's money being stolen. It's an investment whose control rests on its holders' collective shoulders.
Really, if anyone calls Bitcoin a ponzi, they don't know what they're talking about.
BITCOIN is a software, PONZI was a person, so U can't even compare apples&oranges here. PONZI misdirected the use of postal stamps, but nobody calls for the banning of stamps. 1,000's of assholes, maybe 10's of 1,000's of shills are pumping BITCOIN and trying to convince NEWBS to buy BTC with their credit card, BITCOIN is not a PONZI, but all the exchanges, and mining-pools, all the infrastructure of BTC is ran by common criminals. |
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Why top 10 coins are falling? Something happened?
goldman-sachs just took over btc, that means zog now control btc, and most of the alt-coins were created by zog so crypto is now essentially just another zog currency, all the dreams of satoshi crypto-anarchists are now dead **
BRR-CME to set price of bitcoin, goldman sachs, is nsa israel fbi IRS, ... its now all under one umbrella
In this methodology document, both the Administrator and Calculation Agent of the BRR are exclusively listed as "Crypto Facilities Ltd", based at an address in the City of London: Contact Details: Crypto Facilities Ltd 4th Floor 25 Copthall Avenue London EC2R 7BP Web: https://www.cryptofacilities.com Phone: +44 20 7655 6085 Email: contact@cryptofacilities.comSo who or what is “Crypto facilities Ltd”? Looking at the UK Companies registration web site (Companies House), reveals that 'Crypto Facilities Ltd' was incorporated on 12 August 2014 as a private limited company in the UK. According to Companies House, 'Crypto Facilities Ltd' only has one director, a certain Timo Schlaefer. Who is this Timo Schlaefer? According to LinkedIn, Timo Schlaefer was with the Vampire Squid Goldman Sachs between 2011 to 2015. Strangely though, the header of Schlaefer's LinkedIn profile still says “Goldman Sachs”. |
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You're just an a$$hole trying to talk it down.
You should read up on bitcoin and why and how it came into existance before uttering such crap.
The top 10 or even top 1% of people that hold bitcoin aren't going to sell. So even if you get some correction, this is never going to be long term. And all the smart ones here only invested money they can afford to loose.
BTW : are you a member of the govs or banksters ?
I've read the white paper. I've listened to countless hours of the original developers explain it years ago. LOL - the top 10 or top 1% aren't going to sell? Wow you are greedy SOB aren't you? LOL Jack Ma recently said something to the effect that anyone with more than $10 million is asking for trouble and problems to plague them for life. Don't make the mistake of thinking that everyone shares such an extreme level of greed. Working for gov or banks? That's funny since they won't warn you on such a personal level. I wish I got something for killing time. Good arguments, but U know your blowing in the wind with these ppl on this forum, the average holder of BTC has 0.05 btcs, thus they haven't a clue about how a real millionaire thinks, Certainly Jack Ma knows the situation, anybody that has +$1M will be a target his entire life, the BTC is a public ledger, which means every criminal or gov on earth knows they can kidnap U, since dawn of man, humans hid their wealth, they kept valuables out of site, ... they didn't display to gov tax collector their net-worth, then along comes BTC which is a public-ledger for all to see, Great idea, the rich know, and its only matter of time before all addresses are linked to real-id, and resold, just like everything else, its all high value, to anybody that wants to screw 'rich ppl' MY biggest complaint about BTC is lack of anonymity, and nobody cares cuz they only care about 'getting rich'. |
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What are your serious mate? Your rank is not a newbie mate i think you know what is bitcoin. This is a currency and not a company who offer PONZI scheme, this is a legit digital currency no one controlling it.
Seriously, 100 ppl control 80% of BTC, U think they don't work together? U think they weren't commonly involved since begin, u think they don't collude on pump&dump of price?
One company controls most mining, a dozen companys control the exchanges, which are just GOV tax fronts
Now GOLDman-Sachs will control the price in london with the new CME
Keep telling your self that this BTC is crypto-anarchy, that Satoshi was not really a ZOG NSA icon all along,...
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You're a lot dumber than I even thought you guys are.
This is pure strategie from govs and banksters. They hate the fact they cannot get this under their control and earn money from it.
The value in bitcoin is in the fact that it is and remains a store of value and cannot be taxed. A lot of richer people that bought in did it for this reason. The top 1% will not trade to fiat anytime soon because they know they will get taxed. They will wait untill companies and so fort will start to trade in bitcoin. After that the only thing the govs can do is try to forbid to use it as a currency, but the store of value will remain.
BTW : the fact we didn't hear you guys when it was going up and up, explains it all to well. You're just capitalizing on a small downward correction in the hope that more will follow and you can get bitcoin as low as possible.
Only the stupid will follow.
Ok...if you say so  Notice how the well-crafted Ponzi attracts the lesser intelligent among us that fight for it with a fervor greater than religion. You're right about one thing...they do hate it and will eventually control it...or a future form of it. You obviously weren't around in the beginning. It was intended to be a currency...not a store of wealth. No one on the early dev team talked like people do today. Just because you didn't hear from me doesn't mean I wasn't following it. I only showed up when I saw it morph into the bastardization of its original intended purpose and there was a reason for me to say something now that the only thing that drives it is greed and stupidity...that you clearly have no personal moral issue against following and shilling. U Notice that too? ehh? What I see on this forum is ZERO percent interest in technology, or programming, zero interest in morality, zero interest in philosophy, zero interest in anarchism, It's like the entire BTC eco-system is just driven by moronic day-traders, most likely not even human, but bots that are designed, to keep fresh blood entering the btc-ponzi ( I hate that term, its a south-sea bubble ) The only common interest on the forum is reducing the fee's for day trading btc. |
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I think that now a sharp drop in the bitcoin rate will not happen. Bitcoin for a while will still show its volatility and will grow in its value further. We are waiting for eight months ahead of bitokoin for the next month and this can not but affect the increase of its growth. In addition, in recent days there has been a good improvement bitcoin, in fact, its main shortcomings with scalability are removed. For bitkoyina there are no barriers for further growth.
Normal 10-20%, now we just had a -30%, is this your new normal? BIG players & Gov want OUT, major holders since 2013 want an exit, lots of BTC billionaires, have been HODL'ing since 2013, but now everybody knows that its game-over. Smart Guys are going to be those said "I cashed out before it was all gone" GOV is going to destroy BTC with regulation once ppl get hurt and start complaining about losing all their money on BTC's bought with credit cards, and 2nd mtgs on their house. |
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Well said Realist247
The Truth Teller in these situations is always the black-sheep. Nobody is even mentioning that Goldman-Sachs is the OWNER of this new CME OP, that tell's all u need to know same as LIBOR, they just want to control the price, to protect the US Dollar. What of BTC? Just a bunch of GEEKS circle-jerking and driving up the price, and idiot day-traders enjoying the ride, well now its all down hill, BOTD is now a quick way to go broke, .. HODL is fine if U got your btc for free, by mining, Hell when I go to coinmarket to see a price there it is all u need to know
"BUY BITCOIN TODAY WITH YOUR CREDIT CARD"
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There seems to be a contrasting views among industry experts and nobody knows for sure whether Bitcoin futures would spell disaster and send the prices tumbling down or skyrocket it to a new all time high.
What are your views on it?
WHO is the question, not How Much. WHO CME? It is GOLDMAN-SACHS, the same ppl who set the price of Gold by way of controlling the CME price, WHY? Because they DON'T want BTC to go ASTRO in their INTEREST of protecting the US-DOLLAR they will keep BTC down for the same reason they keep GOLD DOWN. Because THEY GS-ZOG Own the Federal Reserve Bank, and they don't want competition. ... In this methodology document, both the Administrator and Calculation Agent of the BRR are exclusively listed as "Crypto Facilities Ltd", based at an address in the City of London: Contact Details: Crypto Facilities Ltd 4th Floor 25 Copthall Avenue London EC2R 7BP Web: https://www.cryptofacilities.com Phone: +44 20 7655 6085 Email: contact@cryptofacilities.comSo who or what is “Crypto facilities Ltd”? Looking at the UK Companies registration web site (Companies House), reveals that 'Crypto Facilities Ltd' was incorporated on 12 August 2014 as a private limited company in the UK. According to Companies House, 'Crypto Facilities Ltd' only has one director, a certain Timo Schlaefer. Who is this Timo Schlaefer? According to LinkedIn, Timo Schlaefer was with the Vampire Squid Goldman Sachs between 2011 to 2015. Strangely though, the header of Schlaefer's LinkedIn profile still says “Goldman Sachs”. |
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Historically 'south sea bubble' is closer to BTC its a stock in offshore colonizing the new world and its stock like BTC went ASTRO for years, and anybody that questioned it was a pariah, just like now with BTC.
Even Issac Newton smartest man on earth at his time, inventor of calculus lost his fortune on this stock.
Google, "South Sea Bubble" Better yet read, ... "Madness of the Crowds, and Grand Popular Delusions" |
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