Sure, and thanks for your honest constructive input!

It may take a little while for us to get there, but I think starting with the basics listed above is a great way to make progress.

The one that sticks out to me is the BE/Rich list. I think a higher quality one would be great too. I've always been a fan of Chainz.

So here's what we need to figure out. Which BE do we want to get listed on and how much will it cost?

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/

http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/index.php

Alright, so so far what I'm seeing we want to approach is:

Marketing
Block Explorer / Rich list
New Website
Wheel and Dice (Yobit already has dice im pretty sure)


Also I do agree with you Shapetwist.

My only concern/point is that I've seen alts die by the fistfull because they got their entire value from promises of new development. Not the actual development mind you, the promise of new developments coming. That's what I want to avoid because I think it will kill Swing and create an angry mob. Anon transactions.. encrypted messaging.. masternodes.. decentralized this and that.. etc.. etc.. we see it over and over. They promise the development and make a roadmap, price goes up.. probably get pumped, and when it does/doesn't release or is late because the lead dev was busy or hit walls the price tanks and everyone gets pissed off and it's game over. In the end nobody cared at all about the developments because they never actually added much value.. they just created an excuse for a temporary price increase and that's what people were buying / exiting on.

My point is just that if we want to improve and add REAL value to Swing in whatever manner we think is appropriate, we need to do it realistically. Outline what we want and figure out how to get it as a community. If we can do that and keep doing that Swing will grow very strong. Operating in this manner adds value not because the dev made a promise, but because the community/coin is capable of evolving and improving over time with or without the dev.. and what will it do next??

Swing is still holding pretty strong, stable, and honestly I think it's still gaining more traction even though we aren't seeing big price waves right now. Let's nurture it and we will grow into something awesome.

What exactly are we talking about donating for?


Keep in mind a transaction tax just goes to miners / stakers when they break a new block. Unless you make some considerable changes you can't have the tx fee go to a dev fund.

Those are some good suggestions for moving Swing forward though! All of those things could help Swing get more attention.

I've answered that before i believe but I agree that now is a good time to talk about it again, so let's discuss in more detail.


First of all this is exactly what we are trying to avoid here. In my honest opinion speculation on further development is dumb, stale, and deceptive.

I understand wanting more market movement, but if you want that movement from drama centered around my work ethic I can't say I agree even slightly that that's a good idea. It will only lead to drama, fud, bad pumpers, and the death of swing. Instead, why don't we try to add value to Swing rather than temporarily inflating the price through development promises (..then getting angry when the price inevitably returns to where it started)?


Yup, Swing IS open source.

People can fork it and add features and try to sell you whatever they call their Swing fork sure.. And you can dump your Swing and buy up the clone with all it's fancy sparkling promises over and over..

or.. OR..

We could use the same open source environment to improve Swing as a collective.. like strong alt-coins do.

Here's an example. Lately I've been looking into charting API's in order to see if I can make a more informative website that helps track Swing across multiple exchanges. I'm not going to make any promises on this, but I am seeing if I can accomplish something that adds value to the coin and if I can I'll release it. I'm not making promises to inflate the price, I'm just seeing if I can add value on my own time. If I can i'll pitch it to the community, if I can't but I think it could happen with help, I'll reach out and see what the community think of my ideas!

So here's where I stand on this and what I've been thinking here.

I've been planning on making a call for Swing holders & developers & other interested parties to come together for Swing community update #1.

Swing is doing awesome in my eyes so far. The market movement may be a little slow, but it's pretty damn stable and picking up more and more interest. The community is growing and with that more activity will follow down the road to trade on.

There is plenty of room for improvement though. I'm sure all of you could think of ways to add value to Swing, and these are things that should be discussed. Ideas should be pitched, the validity and impact of them should be considered, and if they are good ideas the course of action needed to make it should be discussed. We need to nurture an environment where this can happen to survive. Where improvements and adding value isn't dependent on the original developer. Otherwise everyone is just waiting around hoping for/expecting me to make the usual promises that temporarily inflate price for a quick buck. And when that inevitably fails or misteps I get crucified  .

So.. Swing community update #1

Here's my thinking for this.

There are some minor core improvements I can make and have considered making. However, since they are minor and not really causing any problems the negative impact of having to push an update outweighs the improvements that would come from it.

So.. I've decided it's best to pull together an agreed upon community created update with all the upgrades we can settle on before pushing out a chain upgrade. Ideally this first update would be focused on core integrity. With altcoins these days being built upon eachother over and over things inevitably fall behind. What BIPS can we add/fix/improve? Should we adjust any settings? Introduce a tax? Change the block size? Security improvements? Can we get the code for these updates together and review/improve it further it as a community? Once we pull together a large enough update that the community thinks it's worth pushing out, we make the updates go live and continue from there. If we really want Swing to grow strong and thrive and get that activity we want to trade on, this is where we need to focus. Improving swing as a collective, not betting on the rise and fall of yet another lead dev.

It would probably help us proceed with the update if I start a side thread or a subreddit or something, but I'll let some responses and discussion happen first.

That happened to me once and I shat a brick thinking something was wrong. As it turns out, like when I got over 10:

Generation: 9.72

You generated the proper amount, someone must have included an optional transaction fee and you're the lucky dog who broke that block. When it happened to me I landed the 9.99 and got about .25 extra from transaction fees.  

Well, it's been 24 days (we launched on the 30th) and we are on block 22081.

So that means the chain runs a little faster than programmed in at about 920.041666667 blocks per day (probably due to hash rates coming on/offline at peak hours).

So it would take us 1086907.29586 days to hit the end of POW

Which is 2975.853553109197 years

So.. POW will not end in our lifetime unless something unexpected changes or we upgrade that setting.

It will probably take ~25 years to hit max supply of 40 mil coins.

There are currently 245197.79598966 coins and of that 160k was pre-generated for seed coins so..

85,197.7959897 new coins have been generated in ~24 days.

You guys can do the math on that and get better estimates if you want.

Done ty

LAST_POW_BLOCK = 1000000000
MAX_MONEY = 40000000 * COIN; //Max Supply 40 Mil

So pretty much indefinite but not exactly.


Thanks!

I've added xpool, bittrex, and additional bittrex chart to the thread. 

Can I get some specs from you?

Operating system?
32 bit or 64 bit?
GUI wallet or server wallet?

Try backing up your wallet.dat and re-downloading the chain if the problem persists.

Wow, big action this morning!!

 The whole book got purchased eh? I guess we can officially say Swing joined the $1+ club.. even just for a moment there haha. New ATH is .005.  


All I'm looking for is a better chart that shows both price and expected block rewards in real time. This just helps people keep track of where we are at.  

Now you guys are starting to get it  

Slow and steady. Others will start to get it.

Well said ShapeTwist especially.

That bot would be good wigit. Maybe even a twitter bot that spits out important info? Thanks for all the social networking promotion you've been doing lately btw. You've been killing it.  

What we really need though is a custom chart. One that overlays price and expected rewards. Ideally with miners cost (even estimated) though that's more challenging to get. I'm looking into getting a tradingview chart made that way we have extended history and TA tools. Ideally with expected reward and some other info on it. I don't know if tradingview charts allow more than one line though. Unfortunately the developer that I was going to have make that for me is hit or miss if he's online so.. If anyone thinks they can make something like this let me know and you might get a bounty coming your way.

If all else fails I might be able to at least make the basic tradingview chart myself so we have something a little cleaner to look at. No promises though I've never done trading charts but this is what I've been looking into lately.

If people can see the impact of price vs reward easily it will likely help. Till then we're all estimating mental gaps that can be tricky and easy to not think about.

Yup that's it. It's also connected to crypto community's #Swing channel so you can use either.

lol thanks looks familiar eh?

Thanks for this info. I've been getting curious where the miners cost is at.

Very nearly max yes Nice grab!

Congrats! 

Thanks BluRPie, I'll pull it from the thread.

I've been trying to get supernova to add Swing as well from the start but have yet to hear back unfortunately.


Thanks for the initiative WigitGetIt!

Believe it or not I've been slowly strategically approaching Bittrex.

Here's some things to consider.

A community outpouring and seeing the name of the coin repeatedly can make a big difference in weather or not they decide to check out the coin, or give it additional looks. However, that alone is not enough to get us listed there.

When it boils down to it they are really looking at one or two things.

A: Can they profit from the volume?
Bittrex delists coins that average trade volumes of less than 0.2 BTC daily over the course of a week. If we want to get listed We will have to consistently beat this mark. Getting more traders into the coin is a good way for this to happen naturally. Bittrex wants to see lots of activity and they know how to pick out blatantly fake volume. I think if the swinging price pattern holds relatively consistent with the swinging supply for a few cycles (at least), we will likely see a large increase in people taking up an interest in Swing (and therefore increased volume).

B: Is the coin legit, or is it just a joke or a scam?
This is pretty much the entire reason I decided to move away from the "Greed" names and use my actual trading handle. They weren't so fond of the Greed brand. So hopefully we've got this covered.

When you really look at it Swing is just getting started guys. All we can do from here is grow bigger!

Slow and steady growth is key!