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201  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Calling out the Bitcoin Foundation Scam. on: March 03, 2014, 04:34:09 PM
hmmm,

So if one doesn't want to drink their koolaid then what are the alternatives?

1. Use/promote an altcoin. Nxt? Etherium? or 1000 other alts?

2. Create a non bitcoin foundation client and convince the majority of miners to accept. (take back bitcoin movement)


Can bitcoin be saved? or has the brand bitcoin been forever tainted and coerced? Has Gavin accepted the decentralized bitcoin jesus spirit into his heart?

I think personally that the wink twins are right about the $400 billion ish crypto market cap but I'm feeling that that number will be a total of all of the different crypto coins. One of them will eventually overtake bitcoin by offering such revolutionary ideas as decentralized, no transaction fees, and gasp, anonymousness.

The relation between the Bitcoin scamfoundation and Bitcoin is roughly the relation between the Westboro Baptist Church and email.

Bitcoin is and will continue to be fine. Alt coins are and will remain a play thing. These are decided by the people who matter, and the people who matter aren't either the derps vying for the spotlight "doing" altcoins nor the derps vying for the spotlight "doing" foundations, conferences, articles and assorted bullshit. Get your hierarchy straight.
202  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Calling out the Bitcoin Foundation Scam. on: March 03, 2014, 04:00:36 PM
Yeah, what a scam to take peoples membership money and use it to organize conferences, lobby regulators, provide a resource for business and the press, to provide a space to coordinate the volunteer efforts of dozens of people who actually do something. Wow such scam!

Dream on.

PS. Do you use Axe? I feel inexplicably very attracted to you on a sexual level. It must be the advertisements didn't lie.

Bitcoin still needs more hard forks

No,  it does not. Nobody of any consequence runs anything past maybe 0.6 or so anyway. Just because a bunch of noobs with a bunch of dust downloaded the most recent release doesn't give it any sort of Bitcoin legitimacy. Currently the latest iOS and the latest bitcoin-qt are about equally relevant to Bitcoin,  which is roughly epsilon.

Nice work on the rest of your bullshit. They aren't points; they roughly reduce to "Pirate was fine and if you don't like ponzis you can just not participate". This was thoroughly debunked two years ago. Read that once a day for the next six months, maybe you get it somehow. In any case shut the fuck up for the interval, you don't have anything to contribute here.

203  Economy / Scam Accusations / Calling out the Bitcoin Foundation Scam. on: March 03, 2014, 08:37:03 AM
The Bitcoin Foundation was a large confidence scam perpetrated on the very naive, rather noobish yet very vain Bitcoin community cca 2012-2014 - and running for about as long as Pirate's ponzi.

It was thought out, constructed and initially run by Peter Vessenes, and then passed along to various accomplices. (Don't imagine that if I don't name you, we don't have the file. We have the file. You will be serving time, in all likelihood.)

It worked like so:

 1. Collect donations from the clueless yet vain. Because Bitcoin is full of people who belabour under the delusion that if they speak a lot about Bitcoin, if they paint "Bitcoin" all over the four walls of their dwelling and so on then they're somehow "part of Bitcoin". Charging these idiots a hefty fee for an "official" stamp of approval* is a logical next step, and it collected a massive warchest (even more than the thousands of BTC this forum - also run on MtGox servers - has collected for "software upgrades").

The CEO and Treasurer at the time, one Peter Vessenes simply pocketed this money. No report was ever published, no report will ever be published. More advanced than the MtGox scam, the Foundation is a "non profit" and it has no creditors, so nobody has standing to take them to court.

 2. Vouch for scams. It is very lucrative to sell protection; that's what most underworld kingpins do for a living. That's what the Bitcoin Foundation did for a living too, once the BTC price went up and the dubious character of the people running it became public knowledge (ie, once MP said so). With dwindling donation income and a never ending hunger for cash**, the Bitcoin Foundation was repurposed as a voucher for whoever could afford to pay. Like BFL. Like MtGox.

The only reason Pirate wasn't vouched for by the Bitcoin Foundation is that I killed him before he had a chance. The only reason the Patrick Harnett scammer didn't end up on their board is because MP killed him before he had a chance. The only reason Silk Road's guy wasn't vouched for by the Bitcoin Foundation is that he couldn't be bothered (or afford) to pay them. The only reason TradeFortress wasn't similarly has to do with cash. And this list could go on.
 
Think things through: it's not so hard to collect five thousand Bitcoin and then from that pay fifty to some clueless, famished nerd or other.

It's not hard to pretend like you're professional while you're lying through your teeth and defrauding everyone in sight.

It's not hard to pretend like you have "public support" when you're only talking to the clueless noobs that joined yesterday, who think Auroracoin actually "has a market cap" and so on. In a population of 19 yo Xavier Uni graduates, any lie can pass for truth if large enough and repeated often enough.

What is hard is to stand for something, what is hard is to speak the uncomfortable truths***, what is hard is to keep promises and to refuse to make promises that can't be kept and to tell would-be "powers that be" to pack it and move because Bitcoin is taking over.

But the Bitcoin Foundation isn't in the business of all that. The Bitcoin Foundation was in the business of taking money from they too stupid to keep it, and votes from they too clueless to have any money, and then sell the package to the highest bidder. Whoever it may be. Vessenes & co gotta be bought out after all, it's not like the shit they do has any intrinsic value whatsoever. Acquisition or bust, it's what they learned, it's what they do, it's what they'll teach you, if you'll let them. (And if you do let them you might as well use fiat, seriously now. It's easier, and insured.)

So now they're decamping to the UK in the hopes they may avoid US side prosecution, (a move deeply reminiscent of Vleisides, incidentally). Derp. You're all going to jail, boys and girls. You're all going to jail for being thieves, and liars, and con men. And to quote from a much older article of MP's (funny how that guy always wrote today's article months ago, isn't it?):

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There’s just no way this little experiment in mishandling other people’s money can end up anywhere other than in a court, and there’s pretty good odds that it will be through penal rather than civil proceedings - the people involved are too many and too stupid for the state not to intervene.

Once that happens, I am positive and certain that the same people who are now running around calling their betters names will try to turn things into some sort of “mean state infringing on people’s rights”. They have a fine record at trying exactly that.

The problem is, the lot of them being packed up and hauled to jail would be no such infringement. It is at this point perfectly reasonable and quite unavoidable. Sure, they’ll try and sell this libertarian angle, that’s the curse of being pro-freedom : all the scumbags try to exploit you for their little profit turning “ideas”. It won’t wash. The girl that already beat you in the PR marketplace will beat you again, dear Sonny & co. She has the material right here.

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* See this excellent quote from Chris Ballas:

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And here I have to go back over something.  The harder part of the psychology is that the demo doesn't want to become full time traders, either at home all day or on Wall Street-- that part must remain a fantasy--  because then it would be a job and it wouldn't count; it has to be a side gig, then their success wasn't their "work self" but their "real" self;  no one else can claim a sliver of that success-- not the liberals with their "'entrepreneurs' just pretend they don't benefit from public services!" or the wives with their "behind every good man...!" or the echoes of their father yelling,  "you need to apply to Sperry Rand, now there's a company you can put in forty years with!"  It all happened in their head, no one else can share the credit, it is 100% a consequence of their personal value.    Bonus: if they fail, it can be quickly discounted as merely a hobby-- that wasn't, after all, their real self.

The mistake is in thinking this has anything to do with the money.  It's said that most at home traders fail, but this is incorrect: they fail at making money, but they are successful at feeling like a trader.  That is the goal; the money is secondary, which is why they fail at making it.  The buy/hold/reinvest the dividends strategy of Buffet is totally opposite to what's desired, because the strategy does not involve market timing or status updates, it is on autopilot, and there's no "i" in autopilot.  Well, there's one, but it doesn't stand out.

** This is the problem with scum posing as businessmen: the things they make aren't cash generators, they're cash black holes. This is fundamentally why we don't want scum to pass for businessmen: not because we don't like their ugly mugs, but because we don't want to be surrounded by "businesses" that only work if someone somewhere keeps printing money. We're not trying to re-build the US pseudo-economy here, quite the contrary.

*** From You Are The 98%:

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There's a difference between what you need and what you want, and the media will always, relentlessly give you what you want.  Do you know why you have such poor candidates every single election?  Because you want them, you want someone you can easily judge for some sexual indiscretion or because they called latinos chicanos.  "Well, that matters to us!"  Then you got what you asked for.

The media will have data mined the culture and chosen for you two cans of Campbell's Chicken Soup, and then encouraged a public debate about which can is a better representation of the spirit of the country, the one on the left or the one on the right.  "Well, that matters to us!"  I know.  
204  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2014-03-02] Bitcoin CHIEF advises to 'invest only if users can afford to lose' on: March 03, 2014, 07:59:08 AM
It's funny, because back when the Foundation scam was still running, they actually kicked Matonis out. Now that it's floundering and the vesserats are abandoning ship, they put him back in. And clueless idiot that he is, he accepted.

Hey, clueless idiots with too much vanity: STOP DOING THIS. It's stupid.
205  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Call for TBF to give a grant to indentify and describe the last goxing mechanism on: March 03, 2014, 07:47:46 AM
Sorry OP, the Bitcoin Foundation has no moneyz left. Vessenes spent it all already.
206  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Post Gox - Is it time for a Bitcoin Code Authority and self-regulation? on: March 03, 2014, 07:44:06 AM
OP: There already exists such authority. You can talk to him in #bitcoin-assets.
207  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Development: Lack of Progress? on: March 03, 2014, 07:38:22 AM
Successful open source projects need a Benevolent Dictator for the life of the major code changes, otherwise you have chaos.

You completely misrepresent the point of the Bitcoin Scamdation. It strictly exists to get donations from suckers so Peter Vessenes can have enough liquidity to pretend like his "businesses" in Bitcoin are working. Back then he was still hoping he may be bought out, meanwhile MP put the kaibosh on that pipe dream.

Development is an afterthought at the very best.
208  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Open questions to the Bitcoin Foundation on: March 03, 2014, 07:29:44 AM
They just prop the scams and collect "donations" from idiots. They don't actually... you know, do anything. Except if by anything you mean "deny any responsibility for the fallout from the scams they vouched for".
209  Economy / Securities / Re: WARNING Cryptostocks.com INVESTORS SECURITY FLAW on: March 02, 2014, 03:44:02 PM
Therefore since the shares at the correct price were 5000x that of those at the lowest price, all shares purchased at 0.005 will be given an additional 5000 shares per 1 owned.

The correct move would be recognition that you're using, and thereby enabling, a contemptible piece of crud (a fact well known to those actually in the bitcoin finance space), and full rectification. That includes taking time off to figure out how the decision that using and thereby enabling a contemptible piece of crud would be okay was made.
210  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Investing my BTC in Bitcoin startups on: March 02, 2014, 11:30:09 AM
I would like to invest some of my BTC in one or more Bitcoin startups. Havelock Investments is one place I've found where this appears to be possible. Is anyone here aware of similar lists of startups looking for BTC capital?

Thanks.

See one of the many previous discussions on this topic. Expect a lot of reading.

211  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: EasyXchange.net - Exchanging service | Perfect Money/Ukash/Paysafecard - BTC/LTC on: March 02, 2014, 10:07:08 AM
See here.
212  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: "Miracle" the private site for people with Big Dreams and Exciting Desires. on: March 02, 2014, 10:05:36 AM
Hey, a daydream club isn't such a bad idea in itself. You're out of your depth throwing in terms of art such as business, though. If you want to focus on being "enthusiastic" and pushing optimism, do that. But don't call it what it's not, eh.
213  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I can't think of what to do with my time and money on: March 02, 2014, 09:55:21 AM
So you want to be part of the Bitcoin Marketplace, do you?
214  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: It's all because hoes... (BTC/Dollar) on: March 02, 2014, 09:52:39 AM
Your sauce is so weak I'ma use it for eyedrops.

Seriously, though. This stuff's not for you. Analyze something you understand.
215  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Roger Ver, bless him, tells that Gox is going bankrupt on: March 01, 2014, 08:39:17 PM
1,  If I knew MTGOX was going to go bankrupt,  why would I offer to buy MTGOX BTC? (Because I didn't know at that time)

Or because while you did know it, you misjudged your power and importance. You figured you'll be able to prop it, and it turned out you weren't able to prop it.

For the record: MNW was forum banned for a very similar idiocy.

Seeing how this is your second time being a total idiot, after that sad breach of blockchain.info trust and privacy policies, you taking a year or so off for your other whatever the fuck they are would probably be best for all involved.

That way thermos won't have to actually ban your clowny ass.
216  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Coinosphere.com - The Google of Bitcoin on: March 01, 2014, 11:48:21 AM
public voting for the biggest scammers

::headdesk::

THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT FOR INTELLIGENT ANALYSIS.

Not "looking to see if they have graphics". Not "some random schmoe says so". Not "I feel like it". Not "I'm wearing yellow shoes today."

Not anything, not now, not ever. Regardless of how many people have tried to make a replacement before (are you even the least bit aware of how many wannabe scammer lists comprised of public voting buttons are out there?). Regardless of how good your intentions are.

217  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Invest and make money -[ MUST READ] on: March 01, 2014, 11:44:56 AM
the offer is basically where i give you investment advice

Who are you?

See here, on the off-chance you have the wherewithal to attempt answering the question without some smartass douchetastic plea to your spectacularly unestablished "ability".
218  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN]We do fair giveaways on ecoiner.org on: March 01, 2014, 10:27:00 AM
We will make our system more cleaver in the future.

Definitely needs moar cleaver.
219  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Never Invest in Haste Under Stress on: March 01, 2014, 10:16:18 AM
I don't think I have ever felt like such a failure in my life.

Failure is part of life. Poor responses to it tend to end in clusterfucks, as you've discovered. Your acknowledgement of failure, however, and the fact you're apparently able to take responsibility for it, is a pretty good indication that there's something more than failure ahead of you. This isn't actually the case for everyone.

Spend more time reading, allow yourself to think about the shit you usually wouldn't because it's uncomfortable, and don't pull triggers unless you're absolutely committed to the cause --not to what you'd like the effect to be.

Good luck to you.
220  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: You Have To Assume All Of The Exchanges Are Doing It Wrong on: March 01, 2014, 10:06:18 AM
how do we monitor the practices of the fat kids in mom's basement.

Do not fund the practices of the fat kids in mom's basement.

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