Well if you do deals with certain people on DT then you might get it from them after the successful trade, but it's usually seen as pretty shady doing this and I certainly don't trust people who do it and if you're lending money just for the sake of getting trusted feedback then this is more likely to get you negative trust than anything else. Why do you even want dt trust? Be a trusted and active member and earn your trust over time, but this isn't the way to go about it. Trying to find a quick way to become trusted by pointlessly lending money is the opposite of being trusted if anything.  


But you're looking for DT people to do trades with so it's pretty manipulative regardless of whether you ask them to leave you feedback or not. People put far too much trust in the feedback system. Someone could have hundreds of positive green trust but if they're all for lending small amounts then it counts for very little.

S_Therapist is largely useless to him really with the amount of negative feedback it has. Interestingly Mday only lost the plot with me after I brought up the coincidences between that account and his probably because I'd essentially ruined the account he was working hard on building up to use. The Retina account is probably the one he'll use now: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2508950

Mulann2 is also another account to keep an eye on: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2546342

Look at the last sent merit of mday:

Sent in the last 120 days

    April 21, 2019, 10:19:31 PM: 1 to Retina for Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
    April 21, 2019, 10:17:45 PM: 1 to S_Therapist for [Explained] How Trust Score is calculated
    April 20, 2019, 08:06:07 PM: 1 to Mulann2 for Re: YoBit Signature Campaign (Bitcointalk)
    April 18, 2019, 05:42:00 PM: 1 to Retina for Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
    April 07, 2019, 12:13:31 PM: 1 to Retina for Re: Merit for Crypto (and other) Knowledge
    March 22, 2019, 04:43:56 PM: 6 to Retina for Another helpful Software (Advanced SystemCare) Speed-up your Windows PC/Laptop

All of them accounts are connected to him somehow and I think he gave the game away too early with the Mulann2 account when he tried some reverse psychology that backfired so he abandoned it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5133670.msg50693924#msg50693924

The people who like to use their feedback as a weapon or to get one over on people because they have some sort of beef with them aren't going to care about leaving neutrals and it's those that are causing most of the issues, but of course the problem is also 'scammy behaviour' is completely subjective. Some people think certain behaviour is scammy or shady whilst others don't. If a stranger knocks on my door and asks to borrow money from me but promises to pay it back at a later date I would likely find that person very untrustworthy. I think that would be pretty shady behaviour here too and many people leave negative for that and some don't. Sure, they might return at a later date to pay it back but that's probably less likely. Whether you leave a negative, neutral or take no action is up to you, but there are of course many times when a neutral feedback may be more appropriate but sometimes not leaving the negative also lets scams happen. I remember a few times where I've given people the benefit of the doubt and left a neutral only for them to go on to scam and I should have just gone with my gut instinct.

Two examples:



Some people think trying to escrow with no previous experience is very shady. Others don't or don't care. The neutral may or may not have been more appropriate but it obviously didn't stop him from scamming. I think every person who I left negative or neutral feedback for trying to escrow went on to either try scam or was successful in doing so, with the exception of mdayonliner. Had anyone sent him $100k to hold on to as an escrow I'm not sure whether he would have stuck around for long after but of course that is something we'll never know, but add that to the fact that his bread and butter prior to this forum was promoting and partaking in ponzis I think the negative feedback was just either way.

Here's another user where I caught someone actively trying to cheat a giveaway:



In my opinion very untrustworthy behaviour but I left a neutral. It was then later found out that he was connected to multiple scammers and a farming ring.

There's also issues like do you trust a liar? Do you trust someone who behaves like a petulant child or a psychopath? Probably not. Do those sorts of people deserve negative or neutral feedback? You can argue either way. You might find them untrustworthy but they could be an honest nutter. Someone who repeatedly tells lies obviously can't be trusted but they might not be a scammer.

He created the new account a few days before CH went AWOL and shortly after theymos threatened him with a ban if he kept his behaviour up (which he obviously intended to do hence why he created a new account). If he does the same on another account that of course absolutely 100% isn't him then there's obviously no problem /sarcasm. Only a shame for him he's a complete buffoon who somehow thinks he's gazumped everyone into thinking they're completely different people (but he is in contact with CH somehow and CH has also been lying to him for some reasons). There's also a handful of other accounts that were created around the same time that are probably him and he'll use if any of his others get banned.

Anyway, locking this thread until The-One-Above-All deletes more of my posts that need a response since timelord can't resist making off topic posts and satire/parody flies straight over his head.

I don't think he's a troll, he's just severely butthurt and incredibly immature. I'm merely responding to the blatant lies and false accusations he keeps making, but I'm happy to ignore him if you could get most other people on board. Sadly that probably won't happen. I think it would be best if he just gets ignored and he'd probably get bored soon enough. I also think he's trying to get himself banned on this account though so he's likely to keep going until that happens and then that's one more piece of ammo he can use in his self-pitying crusade.


I also think he should take a break, but his ego probably won't allow him to. His butthurt has become pathological at this point. As for his trust, I don't know the full story of what happened and he'll have to sort that out himself with the parties involved, but he hasn't done himself any favours by his behaviour over all his accounts. I think any feedback he's got for lying is justified, especially on this account. I certainly wouldn't trust him with anything due to his attitude.   

Examples of deleted posts we disagree with. Reasons provided. It would seem responding to false accusations, or questioning unsubstantiated claims with a challenge, or pointing out observable double standards is not permitted flow. I will also use this thread to make responses to The-One-Above-All seeing as he is just going to delete all my responses and I gotta get those bitcoin crumbs.

First deleted post:


Response to his response:


It seems like you like to make lies and assumptions.


Yes, I did, but the lie is that you claim I'm the only one that is allowed to throw insults around which just isn't true.


I do understand perfectly fine. It's you that seems to live in some alternate universe where lies = truth and vice versa. You've lied and made unbacked accusations multiple times. You claimed cryptohunter was banned. He never was. A lie. You've claimed I've personally done certain things when I never have and there's no evidence thereof. More lies. You've also claimed you are not cryptohunter which is obvious bullshit to most sane people. Just because you can hide behind the anonymity of a computer screen doesn't make it any less true but I know you're going to keep running with that facade just because you can. Your paranoia and pretending to be someone you're not whilst repeatedly banging your head against a brick wall and expecting different results is literally Einstein's definition of insanity.


The only thing that is quite obvious is your nonsense.


You mean like you constantly do?


I don't care either way, but it couldn't possibly be true because I have neither a sister or a gf. So why make random things up that can't possibly be true? What is the opposite of a truth and what do you call something that couldn't possibly be true? Lies. Rather dishonest to do so don't you think, or perhaps you're just a complete fantasist? I suspect you're both.


Filling people in full of bullshit? Or perhaps too busy having in depth conversations with yourself:




Complete ad hominem, but what does me being a Pro board spammer or not have to do with anything? I don't need any sigs but I'm not going to turn down free money for something I would be doing anyway and getting paid to argue with fools is probably the easiest and most enjoyable money I've ever made. I should be commended for doing something I love if anything.


An observably weak mind? In your opinion, one that is worth next to nothing around here. I'm sure many others would disagree with you here as well, but this coming from the paranoid schitzo sock-puppet master I'm not sure you're qualified to make judgement on anything regarding matters of the mind and sanity. Also, I actually have a first class honours degree in Internet Butthurt from the University of Life, hence why I am very qualified to make such diagnoses and you have a severe case of IB.


As we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns—the ones we don't know we don't know. You're the one that is wrong and lying. Everyone knows the earth isn't flat but there's idiots who still think otherwise. Everyone here knows who you are despite your futile protestations. You've become the bitcointalk equivalent of a insane flat-earther. Congratulations.


Yet more lies. I don't have any friends here and do you have any proof whatsoever that anyone has told me to delete a post or that I am in fact the one responsible for doing so? If you cannot provide proof of this then that will be yet another unbacked accusation and a lie.


Again, irrelevant ad hominem, but why the change of heart:


Do you not have any empathy for the less fortunate any more? Or are your biases effecting your judgement again here?


You are neither. You are both dishonest, a liar and extremely biased yourself whilst continuing to state lies and make false accusations.


I am fair and honest. You just don't like the truth when it doesn't fit your narrative.

Theymos is almost certainly not going to do this because feedback isn't relevant to most discussions. What makes you think someone with positive trust isn't going to scam you also? People rely far too much on whether people have green or red feedback already and treat it like it's either a death sentence or a mark of ultimate trustability when it's not. If red feedback is shown everywhere then people would just use that to discredit certain peoples posts when it's probably not relevant.


Then check their feedback before you do business with anyone. We can't be responsible for babysitting everyone.

Theymos commented on something like this recently:


But I don't think you should be using the name in something like this because it probably gives the wrong impression and that they're affiliated somehow. Why do you need bitcointalk in there specifically anyway?

Also, are you a registered charity? Where and how is the money going to be spent and who is responsible for deciding where it goes?

Things like this just seem really vague and ripe for abuse:


Are you just going to send bitcoins to someone who claims they need some money for medical expenses? Do you have to know them personally? How will you verify worthy candidates and who gets final say on where the money goes or not? How open and transparent is all this going to be?

Liverpool were lucky yesterday. Thought they were going to blow it. If man City win the game against Leicester tomorrow then they've pretty much won the title as Brighton are safe now so there's nothing left for them to play for really other than pride (but no shame in losing to City).


Several people had it after that game including me.

Here are all the yellow caps from this season so far:

hilariousandco
   0   7.5   2   18.5
SyGambler
   1   9   2   15
unyil
   1   4.5   2   19.5
oeleo
   1   4.5   1   15.5
SyGambler
   1   4.5   2   19.5
stephencurry333
   2   4.5   2   20.5
slaman29
   0   0   1   19
Big G
   2   6   1   12
hahay
   1   6   1   11
LTI_btc
   2   3   1   15
BitSat
   2   7.5   2   17.5
slaman29
   0   4.5   1   14.5
Sojourner
   1   4.5   1   15.5
panjul07
   0   3   1   13
MoSala
   1   1.5   1   15.5
Hhampuz
   2   6   2   16
hahay
   0   9   2   17
tokeweed
   1   3   1   11
Leea-1334
   2   4.5   1   13.5
BitSat
   3   4.5   1   11.5
KuromaYoichi
   1   4.5   1   12.5
LFC_Bitcoin
   0   6   1   13
Leea-1334
   2   7.5   2   14.5
MoSala
   2   1.5   1   10.5
tomahawk9
   2   7.5   2   14.5
tokeweed
   2   6   2   16
tokeweed
   1   3   1   11
panjul07
   4   6   2   15
MoSala
   0   6   1   16
Trofo
   1   4.5   1   12.5
hahay
   1   3   0   7
MoSala
   2   9   3   26
stephencurry333
   2   0   0   8
Mattle40
   2   4.5   1   13.5
tomahawk9
   2   7.5   2   14.5
BitSat
   1   3   1   11

------------------------

Top 5 so far:

MoSala
   2   9   3   26
stephencurry333
   2   4.5   2   20.5
SyGambler
   1   4.5   2   19.5
unyil
   1   4.5   2   19.5
slaman29
   0   0   1   19

Of course I have to be the sixth:

hilariousandco
   0   7.5   2   18.5

 


We should disqualify users who get two of the same points, right? Or only one of them counts, yeah? 

Or he's just stating the obvious. This might as well be CH right now:




We? Have you gone full schitzo or have you set up some sort of committee with CH?


He doesn't need to. Anyone with half a functioning brain cell can see they're the same. It's quite sad, though sometimes at the same time equally hilarious.


He's lost or is certainly losing the plot. He really should take an actual holiday and not just a pretend one.


He probably should just be ignored but I think a lot of people are just enjoying riling him up now. I would be up for an official boycott but there's no way you'd get everyone to sign up to it.


Where's the demerit button? 

What country is he from? I get the feeling English isn't his first language. I'm not going to deny there can be artful deception involved in scams and frauds, but he's hardly a master here. He's as basic as they come and prays on the greedy who don't use their brain because they think they're getting a great deal. People come here because they think they can get x amount off a giftcard and he's all too happy to take advantage of that. All I'll give him is that he has persistence, but it's like taking candy from a baby after that. The only effort he likely puts in is any convincing they may take over telegram or whatsapp or whatever to seal the deal. I'm not sure how much he makes in bitcoin but I think the majority of people who find his threads here will be using a different payment medium. Can't imagine there being many bitcoiners being that niave or first timers going out of their way to buy bitcoin just for this deal.

And isn't the whole "evil bankers" thing a bit of a cliche? That just seems like a whole load of bs that he uses to try justify his actions to himself. If he was truly smart he could put his wits to some legitimate business. Take the money he's made illegitimately and at least go legit with it. Scams will probably catch up to him eventually if he thinks he's going to make a lifelong career out of it.

Was swaying whether to go 4 or 5-0 on the Liverpool/Huddersfield game but decided to play it safe with the 4-0. Shame. Doubt it matters now though as getting a top 5 place is practically impossible now unless they all stop playing  . It's really close with the top 3.


It's basically down to whoever drops a point now. I think City have it in the bag but a draw or a loss will kill either team. Liverpool still have the Champions League to contend with as well. I think Barca will be too strong for them though, but I'd like to see them go through. If they can limit the damage at the Neu Camp and grab a goal or a point it will make things much more interesting.

Sadly, yes. Once people become aware to the fact that they can get a cheap positive feedback they'll take advantage of that. Good business for you perhaps but it'll be abused. Maybe a neutral would be more appropriate but that's up to you. Anyone who's half intelligent can see what users they can get trusted feedback from and then they'll go to those leaving them for small value deals to quickly rack up some trust for as little amount as possible. Most people taking out loans here probably don't even need them in the first place, especially when they give the same amount in collateral. Literally what is the point? Imagine going to a bank for a loan and they requested the same amount in gold or whatever. Just sell the gold. You clearly don't need a loan if you can afford to give the same in collateral. It's just a way to build up some trades and feedback and the interest is the small cost of that and one that is well worth it to them. I guess it's a flaw of the system and how people interpret 'trust' here. It's why I've suggested before that small transactions should carry little to no weight on feedback scores. Can't remember who it was but someone was selling email addresses a while back for like $10 each and it was clear people were almost certainly buying them just for the DT feedback. People shouldn't be putting so much weight on mere 'green' feedback either. Read what the feedback is for and make your own mind up. If somebody has 100 green trusts from 100 different DT users and they're all for 10 dollar deals then all that means is that they can be trusted with ten dollars, but people will trust them with a lot more if they're in the 'green' when they really shouldn't.

I'm pretty much in the exact same boat as you. Haven't used it since about then but I used to see it all the time. People would make a big fuss about leaving for whatever reason and detail it all in their last status update, de-activate their account and then return a few days, weeks or months later and when they return it's this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md4kM9AKjHs


He probably won't bother with s_therapist as it has more negative feedback than the mday account but the Retina account is building itself up nicely. Already got a DT trusted feedback today from a microloan and mday will know how to play the system to grab more along with merits, but let's also look at the last merit he sent:

Sent in the last 120 days

    April 21, 2019, 10:19:31 PM: 1 to Retina for Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
    April 21, 2019, 10:17:45 PM: 1 to S_Therapist for [Explained] How Trust Score is calculated
    April 20, 2019, 08:06:07 PM: 1 to Mulann2 for Re: YoBit Signature Campaign (Bitcointalk)
    April 18, 2019, 05:42:00 PM: 1 to Retina for Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
    April 07, 2019, 12:13:31 PM: 1 to Retina for Re: Merit for Crypto (and other) Knowledge
    March 22, 2019, 04:43:56 PM: 6 to Retina for Another helpful Software (Advanced SystemCare) Speed-up your Windows PC/Laptop

All of them accounts are connected to him. S_Therapist and Retina had obviously already been exposed and I think he was trying to do some reverse psychology on the Mulann2 account here by claiming that I'm probably going to accuse him of being an alt account because he sent merit to it.


He would have been better just sticking around on that account to be honest. People might remove the feedback eventually and I'm sure he could get some more to neutralise it. Instead he probably just wants to start afresh, but like we agree he'll probably be outed eventually (and probably already has if he's going to continue to use the Retina and/or Mulann2 but he'll probably be smart enough to not leave anything concrete). I hope he comes back on the mday account at some point and probably will. He probably just made a rash decision in the heat of the moment and I'm sure he'll regret it. Maybe some time off will do him good.

It's the forum equivalent of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGcHNnI2mh4


Yeah, there's always quirks and certain words and ways that give people away and the longer someone is around the easier it is to spot as you become more familiar with them and that's how his other accounts were exposed. It's really hard to change your habits that you've got used to over years and you have to actively try really hard to mask them. One or two things will likely fly under the radar but there's multiple unique things everyone does and some are more obvious than others. Again, I'm sure mday will be here on one account or the other and I think it's sad to see him go but I think he'll just try again to build up a new rep from scratch and this is just a I'm going for good now type thread to make sure we all get the memo that he's "definitely" gone. Maybe one day he'll reclaim his account with a signed message.

lol. I dunno if being called a satanist is a compliment.


There's a slither of doubt because there's no concrete evidence only circumstantial, but as you said I strongly believe them to be the same based on the evidence we've already been through. There's too many coincidences and quirks though. If this was taken to court then a jury probably wouldn't convict based on not enough concrete evidence, but that doesn't mean that there's no guilt, just not enough to convict. Plenty of people get away with crimes because of this. Everyone knows OJ killed his wife but that wasn't found to be in a court of law.


I wouldn't say malicious but the ponzi promoting to me is an issue and I would question the lengths he will go to make money. Had he received money from the escrow he may have immediately vanished. Or he may have performed his escrow duties as hoped but I would have been very surprised if that happened, but I guess we'll never know.


But are you honestly actually going to do this? I don't think you should abandon the account and especially if you're just going to be here on another account which I think you almost certainly will be in one form or another. It'll probably be easy enough to figure out which it is eventually and we're just going to have the same drama again. Trust can be neutralised over time and you have more positive trust than negative at the minute so I don't think you should leave (and if we're being honest I don't think you will 100%).

No, you have the issue with me for obvious and understandable reasons. I only posted about an abuse I thought I saw. As I said before me and several other users independently spotted the similarities between you and the other account but we chose to leave you be and not say  anything and we were happy to do so. That was right up until the merit abuse. Regardless of what I think of you or what you think I think of you I stood up and made a case that you probably shouldn't have been banned because I felt it was unjust. If I wanted to be a vindictive child I would have said nothing or relished in your ban. I didn't. If it wasn't for me messaging theymos about it you likely would probably still be banned now (unless he would have looked into your ban appeal after and ruled in your favour).

Nobody else believed it either because it wasn't proof of anything. In fact, many people poked holes in things you said.


It's not rocket science. You posting about moderation or what users you're going to merit next is completely off topic in a thread about Yobit. You're clearly just behaving like a child and are purposely trying to derail the thread because of your own agenda.


There is no prove. How could I possibly prove something that I never received? I guess you could ask Cloudbet directly if you want. The only money they sent me went straight into the prizepot and I'll only be benefiting from that if I win which is almost certainly not going to to happen this season.


Lol. What do you actually aim to achieve by calling me goathead? I've been called much worse and all it does is make you look like a petulant child.

I remove the posts I spot and believe to be off topic regardless of if they're reported or not or whether I have issues with certain people. Me and you might not see eye to eye but I don't have an agenda. If I did I wouldn't have argued for you to have been unbanned yesterday which I felt was harsh and unjust, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to remove posts when they're off topic and are an attempt to derail the thread for your own agenda or anyone elses. Post them in the relevant threads or boards like I instructed and there would be no issue.


Of course. Every reported post is evaluated that is either marked as good or bad or left unhandled if nobody can deicide.


They would be checked like any other. If they were inncaurate then they would either be unhandled or marked as bad if they were incorrectly reported.


There are no strict numbers when taking into consideration bans and it's not usually you've had x amount of posts removed so that deserves a ban but an admin may take the number into consideration in certain cases. Yesterday was a pretty unique situation but as far as I was aware it took into consideration actual reports that had been handled against you, and I think as Loyce said you were probably just unfortunate collateral damage.

No. Of course it isn't, but mods often don't see every off topic post. You can report them if you feel they are and they will be evaluated and each circumstance will be taken on a case by case basis. Sometimes a post is reported that is off topic and a mod will only delete that one even though there's several other responses to it. Those are all also clearly off topic but they either might not have looked for more or not spotted them. Sometimes there's pages of off topic responses and sometimes you can miss them. If you feel like one post has been removed and others haven't then either report them or bring the issue up in Meta.