In the process of willingly locking mdayonliner [locked: Password inside]

[Harlot]

Even if you have voluntarily locked your account it doesn't mean you are far from over here in the forum you haven't shown any intentions that you won't be here in the forum anymore. You just locked your account and you knowing how to gain a lot of merits will surely com in handy on ranking up when you opted out on creating a new account under a new identity. If you are really over from the forum then I think the best thong you can do is never to comeback here in anyway.

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[The Sceptical Chymist]

It's the forum equivalent of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGcHNnI2mh4

LOL.  Do people actually leave FB with all that drama?  I haven't used FB since 2010 and even then I wasn't on it for all that long--but either way, that's exactly what this is like.  Right on the nose.

The person behind the mdayonliner account isn't going anywhere himself.  Either he already has at least one alt account (being S-Therapist and/or Retina) or he'll create a new one and attempt to start over.  I don't know how much sMerit he had, but it looks like he gave some to those accounts this month and may have dumped what he had on them whilst mulling over the creation of a thread like this.  Who knows.

Again, mdayonliner was not a particularly malignant presence here, though he did make some ill-advised moves and in all likelihood isn't telling the truth about those alt accounts.  It's hard to say with 100% certainty what the truth is, and I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt even after all the evidence against him....but I hear what hilariousandco has said and it's very hard to do that.  I too think that he'll get discovered if he creates a brand new account, but we'll see.

[The Cryptovator]

If he wanted to calm down he could have easily continued on his mdayonliner account.

That's what I have been trying to point out from beginning of drama. At the beginning I was thought his mistakes were excusable, but continues argument drew negative impact on his profile. Eventually he have tried to get attention from admin. The main goals of his plays were remove negative feedback's. Which is eventually ends up with left forum drama.

I know build new account for his isn't very hard task and I believe he will do that. Perhaps we will not able to identify or we will not bother on it, but I wouldn't like to believe he will leave this forum for forever. Before leave forum blame to a members wasn't wise decision in my opinion instead of mention won mistakes.

However, I believe he should try to avoid this kind of behavior  if he come back with other account or real life as well. He have lack of patience and ego is too high and both is harmful for a human.

[hilariousetc]

It's the forum equivalent of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGcHNnI2mh4

LOL.  Do people actually leave FB with all that drama?  I haven't used FB since 2010 and even then I wasn't on it for all that long--but either way, that's exactly what this is like.  Right on the nose.

I'm pretty much in the exact same boat as you. Haven't used it since about then but I used to see it all the time. People would make a big fuss about leaving for whatever reason and detail it all in their last status update, de-activate their account and then return a few days, weeks or months later and when they return it's this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md4kM9AKjHs

The person behind the mdayonliner account isn't going anywhere himself.  Either he already has at least one alt account (being S-Therapist and/or Retina) or he'll create a new one and attempt to start over.  I don't know how much sMerit he had, but it looks like he gave some to those accounts this month and may have dumped what he had on them whilst mulling over the creation of a thread like this.  Who knows.

He probably won't bother with s_therapist as it has more negative feedback than the mday account but the Retina account is building itself up nicely. Already got a DT trusted feedback today from a microloan and mday will know how to play the system to grab more along with merits, but let's also look at the last merit he sent:

Sent in the last 120 days

    April 21, 2019, 10:19:31 PM: 1 to Retina for Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
    April 21, 2019, 10:17:45 PM: 1 to S_Therapist for [Explained] How Trust Score is calculated
    April 20, 2019, 08:06:07 PM: 1 to Mulann2 for Re: YoBit Signature Campaign (Bitcointalk)
    April 18, 2019, 05:42:00 PM: 1 to Retina for Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
    April 07, 2019, 12:13:31 PM: 1 to Retina for Re: Merit for Crypto (and other) Knowledge
    March 22, 2019, 04:43:56 PM: 6 to Retina for Another helpful Software (Advanced SystemCare) Speed-up your Windows PC/Laptop

All of them accounts are connected to him. S_Therapist and Retina had obviously already been exposed and I think he was trying to do some reverse psychology on the Mulann2 account here by claiming that I'm probably going to accuse him of being an alt account because he sent merit to it.

Again, mdayonliner was not a particularly malignant presence here, though he did make some ill-advised moves and in all likelihood isn't telling the truth about those alt accounts.  It's hard to say with 100% certainty what the truth is, and I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt even after all the evidence against him....but I hear what hilariousandco has said and it's very hard to do that.  I too think that he'll get discovered if he creates a brand new account, but we'll see.

He would have been better just sticking around on that account to be honest. People might remove the feedback eventually and I'm sure he could get some more to neutralise it. Instead he probably just wants to start afresh, but like we agree he'll probably be outed eventually (and probably already has if he's going to continue to use the Retina and/or Mulann2 but he'll probably be smart enough to not leave anything concrete). I hope he comes back on the mday account at some point and probably will. He probably just made a rash decision in the heat of the moment and I'm sure he'll regret it. Maybe some time off will do him good.

[DireWolfM14]

~Retina account is building itself up nicely. Already got a DT trusted feedback today from a microloan

I was curious about his motivation for his asking for that loan.  Honestly, with all the PMs and time invested in communication it wasn't worth the effort, but hey I'm trying to build a business.  I also considered not leaving any feedback, but I started thinking that would be petty of me.  Just because it's a small loan, or because I suspected he's trying to build trust, or he might be Mday's alt, or whatever excuse, I figured I'd treat it like I would any other successful transaction and just call it that.

It's actually something I'm curious about now that I'm on DT2, is this something that's going to happen more; people asking for micro-loans because they assume I'll leave them positive feedback?

[hilariousetc]

It's actually something I'm curious about now that I'm on DT2, is this something that's going to happen more; people asking for micro-loans because they assume I'll leave them positive feedback?

Sadly, yes. Once people become aware to the fact that they can get a cheap positive feedback they'll take advantage of that. Good business for you perhaps but it'll be abused. Maybe a neutral would be more appropriate but that's up to you. Anyone who's half intelligent can see what users they can get trusted feedback from and then they'll go to those leaving them for small value deals to quickly rack up some trust for as little amount as possible. Most people taking out loans here probably don't even need them in the first place, especially when they give the same amount in collateral. Literally what is the point? Imagine going to a bank for a loan and they requested the same amount in gold or whatever. Just sell the gold. You clearly don't need a loan if you can afford to give the same in collateral. It's just a way to build up some trades and feedback and the interest is the small cost of that and one that is well worth it to them. I guess it's a flaw of the system and how people interpret 'trust' here. It's why I've suggested before that small transactions should carry little to no weight on feedback scores. Can't remember who it was but someone was selling email addresses a while back for like $10 each and it was clear people were almost certainly buying them just for the DT feedback. People shouldn't be putting so much weight on mere 'green' feedback either. Read what the feedback is for and make your own mind up. If somebody has 100 green trusts from 100 different DT users and they're all for 10 dollar deals then all that means is that they can be trusted with ten dollars, but people will trust them with a lot more if they're in the 'green' when they really shouldn't.

[DireWolfM14]

It's actually something I'm curious about now that I'm on DT2, is this something that's going to happen more; people asking for micro-loans because they assume I'll leave them positive feedback?

Sadly, yes. Once people become aware to the fact that they can get a cheap positive feedback they'll take advantage of that. Good business for you perhaps but it'll be abused. Maybe a neutral would be more appropriate but that's up to you. Anyone who's half intelligent can see what users they can get trusted feedback from and then they'll go to those leaving them for small value deals to quickly rack up some trust for as little amount as possible. Most people taking out loans here probably don't even need them in the first place, especially when they give the same amount in collateral. Literally what is the point? Imagine going to a bank for a loan and they requested the same amount in gold or whatever. Just sell the gold. You clearly don't need a loan if you can afford to give the same in collateral. It's just a way to build up some trades and feedback and the interest is the small cost of that and one that is well worth it to them. I guess it's a flaw of the system and how people interpret 'trust' here. It's why I've suggested before that small transactions should carry little to no weight on feedback scores. Can't remember who it was but someone was selling email addresses a while back for like $10 each and it was clear people were almost certainly buying them just for the DT feedback. People shouldn't be putting so much weight on mere 'green' feedback either. Read what the feedback is for and make your own mind up. If somebody has 100 green trusts from 100 different DT users and they're all for 10 dollar deals then all that means is that they can be trusted with ten dollars, but people will trust them with a lot more if they're in the 'green' when they really shouldn't.

I've revised my rating to neutral. 

I have excluded people from my trust network because I suspect them of condoning "trust farming" with micro transactions and low value sales.  I wasn't around when the member you mentioned was selling email addresses (or was it google voice numbers?) but I do remember hearing about that and thinking the same thing.  I certainly don't want the reputation of someone who's trying to sell positive reviews for any amount, whether it's pennies or hundreds of dollars.  That's not my goal.

[LoyceV]

Can't remember who it was but someone was selling email addresses a while back for like $10 each and it was clear people were almost certainly buying them just for the DT feedback.

TheButterZone

[suchmoon]

I figured I'd treat it like I would any other successful transaction and just call it that.

I'd say if you didn't risk anything (which you didn't because collateral) - don't leave a positive rating unless you have some other major reason to trust that person AND to convey that trust to the public.

I guess that still leaves a possibility for someone to farm trust via tiny no-collateral loans. Perhaps there is no need for positive trust in the microloan business at all. Reminds me of BTCJam where people used to openly declare they're taking out loans "to build reputation". Total WTF. Ended predictably.

[DireWolfM14]

Perhaps there is no need for positive trust in the microloan business at all.

That's probably the best way to approach it.  I don't want to overthink my impact, but it did occur to me that it can lead to abusing the trust system.  A functional trust system is more valuable to me than a few pennies earned on interest.  The more it gets abused the less functional it becomes.

Can't remember who it was but someone was selling email addresses a while back for like $10 each and it was clear people were almost certainly buying them just for the DT feedback.

TheButterZone

That's who I was thinking of.  

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I've revised my rating to neutral. 

You might want to put that in your terms upfront so people don't expect positive feedback.  This is what I've been doing whenever I buy or sell crypto:

<snip>Also, this will be a neutral feedback transaction assuming it's successful in the first place.<snip>

If they know they won't be getting a positive feedback from you, you're more likely (I think) to get genuine offers and there's nothing left to doubt after the deal is completed. 

[DireWolfM14]

I've revised my rating to neutral. 

You might want to put that in your terms upfront so people don't expect positive feedback.  This is what I've been doing whenever I buy or sell crypto:

<snip>Also, this will be a neutral feedback transaction assuming it's successful in the first place.<snip>

If they know they won't be getting a positive feedback from you, you're more likely (I think) to get genuine offers and there's nothing left to doubt after the deal is completed. 

Good idea.  If nothing else, it'll ease the burden of having to filter through microloan requests with the hope of getting a positive review out of it. 

@mdayonliner, sorry I didn't mean to derail your pity party.

[vit05]

I think you should come back mdayonliner. It's like loosing something for sure.

He'll likely be around on one account or another. This one will probably ramp up the posting and merit-hunting now: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2508950

If this is really his alt account, it would be more profitable for him to offer advice on how to raise the Bitcointalk account. Maybe Bitcointalk's first coach. Offering online consultancy, e-books, etc. Either that or move on and forget about the forum.

[r1s2g3]

If this is really his alt account, it would be more profitable for him to offer advice on how to raise the Bitcointalk account. Maybe Bitcointalk's first coach. Offering online consultancy, e-books, etc. Either that or move on and forget about the forum.

Offering coaching /writing in bitcoin will be much more profitable and give a good repo instead of coaching shitposter for ranking up here .(forget about neg you can get for this unethical service)

I'd like to be wrong though. If a dramatic exit was what he needed to change his ways - more power to him.

I do not think guy like mday can leave so easily. Even if Retina is an alt account, it still need some time to rank up.
I guess some account is already build up by mday (atleast to full member rank.) before announcing the departure.

[Lafu]

Intresting !

mdayonliner
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I just was checking some things and has seen our old friend are not realy has gone .

[khaled0111]

@Lafu,
Re-join and hello to all!

[hilariousetc]

Intresting !

mdayonliner
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I just was checking some things and has seen our old friend are not realy has gone .

Interesting. Nicely spotted. I think he should return, but I'd assume that his account is more likely to be hacked given the recent wave of inactive accounts that have been taken over.

Edit. Didn't see that he'd announced his return. I doubt he ever went away fully and always assumed he would return:

I don't think you should leave, but again, I don't think you will 100% and will just use other accounts. Good luck either way.

I'm sure lauda will come back at some point or he's still probably here somewhere under one guise or another.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I'd assume that his account is more likely to be hacked given the recent wave of inactive accounts that have been taken over.

When you say "taken over" do you mean they've become active after a long period of inactivity, or has there been a proven hack?  I would think that when bitcoin shot up past $19k, that would incentivize quite a few members (and/or their alt accounts) to come back and try to get into a signature campaign.  

And that's basically what I said in mdayonliner's "welcome back Kotter" thread, that I suspect he's being motivated by money even though his account is red-tagged.

I'm sure lauda will come back at some point or he's still probably here somewhere under one guise or another.

Agreed.  As I said before, I've had a suspicion that nullius is Lauda's alt account, but it's just that: a suspicion, with no evidence.  But Lauda had been a part of bitcointalk for a very long time, and I do find it hard to believe that he'd just abandon his account for good.  We'll see, I guess.

It's actually something I'm curious about now that I'm on DT2, is this something that's going to happen more; people asking for micro-loans because they assume I'll leave them positive feedback?

Sadly, yes.

I know this is off-topic, but I had to give my input.  DireWolfM14, you should be very stingy when it comes to handing out positive trust, and if you do any deals in the Currency Exchange/Lending sections, I would put a disclaimer in the OP that no feedback (or neutral) will be left.  That's what I've been doing since being on DT, because as soon as someone's trust shows up as green, a lot of folks might take that to mean the member is trusted--and that very well might not be the case based on a small deal with a DT member.  I haven't given anyone a positive trust in quite some time, and I don't feel pressured to. 

[hilariousetc]

I'd assume that his account is more likely to be hacked given the recent wave of inactive accounts that have been taken over.

When you say "taken over" do you mean they've become active after a long period of inactivity, or has there been a proven hack?  I would think that when bitcoin shot up past $19k, that would incentivize quite a few members (and/or their alt accounts) to come back and try to get into a signature campaign.

The accounts that have been spreading the 'Ethereum pill' malware. There's hundreds of them. You might not have noticed them if you haven't gone in the alt coin board though as they mainly seem to post in the eth thread there. They're all very old accounts that have been inactive for years so they probably just targeted ones with weak passwords and bruteforced them. Kinda stupid really because they get banned straight away and they could have probably made more money just by selling the accounts as there's a lot of decently ranked ones there.

I'm sure lauda will come back at some point or he's still probably here somewhere under one guise or another.

Agreed.  As I said before, I've had a suspicion that nullius is Lauda's alt account, but it's just that: a suspicion, with no evidence.  But Lauda had been a part of bitcointalk for a very long time, and I do find it hard to believe that he'd just abandon his account for good.  We'll see, I guess.

I really doubt that nullius is lauda's alt. I don't think lauda is gone though. I'm sure he's on another account. Nullius just seems the same sort of autist that timelord is, but more pretentious.

[erikoy]

It's the forum equivalent of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGcHNnI2mh4

I just watch the video and I was emotional to see at first few seconds.

The best part was at the end of the video. 😂

Anyway, in my opinion the OP had been attached to the forum after having here for a while. It us just that being here in the forum is one the best thing that happen and surely one will going to missed. High chance that creating another account will going to happen as time goes by missing the part where we enjoyed the most here.

What I enjoyed the most here in the forum is all about exchanging of ideas. Learning does always comes first and earning is just a bonus.

To OP:

Good luck on your next journey. I felt the heavy pain in you after your emotiional announcement of departing here in the forum. I know you had enjoy so much for being here but it just that mistakes happen. I do believe you will still be able to impart your knowledge though it might not happen here in the forum but it could be anywhere else you might get into.