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it does not require a network split.
we dont need to add in a flag to force an intentional controversial split like ethereum did "--oppose-dao-fork"
all that is needed is for the "groups" to stop saying bitcoin can only go one direction in favour of the group... and instead all groups to release differing versions
EG
core 0.13.2A - segwit 1mb base 4mb weight
core 0.13.2b - segwit 2mb base 4mb weight
that way all the core fanboys(users/miners/merchants) do not need to defect away from their religion to make a code choice. it removes the social politics/religious flock mindset out of the debate and brings it back to being a pure code upgrade debate
that way a code upgrade can be voted on based on the code. not the religions of each faction
by having lets say atleast 3 groups each with no more then 51% of the node count. and each agreeing as part of CONSENSUS to release code that matches rules they all have BIP'd(proposed) allows better chance for new consensus rules to activate without a network split, without controversy, without people having to defect away from their favourite group. purely on the bases of the new rule activating if there is enough consensus to ensure the new rule works with the most minimal headache.
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adam back has been "informally" in control for a while of what mattered (the dictatorship of the code).
austin hill was just the smiling financial face to go on the VC money grab
i always thought of austin as the CFO even if their corporate documents said differently.
it was purely to have a experienced VC heading up investment meetings to get trust from investors.
while adam back done the code dictatorship deals with miners and devs.
it also must be noted that there will obviously be alot of blockstream fanboys raining in to reveal the ass kissing devotions to blockstream which goes against the whole purpose of why bitcoin needed to be invented.
we will see alot of these blockstream fanboys over sell the blockstream employees involvement by pretending blockstream invented bitcoin.
i look forward to laughing at the first blockstream fanboy to oversell adam backs "hashcash" and twist everything to say adam back is possibly satoshi.
i look forward to laughing at the same blockstream fanboys saying how bitcoin cannot survive without corporate control and the dozen corporate paid devs.
though all it is doing is revealing the dictatorship they desire and the utopia of making bitcoin not fit for a zero barrier open payment system. and instead fit to become FIAT2.0 again ruled and controlled by corporations.
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i edited my post to be more helpful. but to raise your point. if your going to ask a technical question the "consumers" dont need to learn. then atleast realise your asking something that is beyond the scope of the consumer(user) level and thus requires you to need to understand the background details to ask a background question.
its like consumers dont need to know the secret ingredients of the green ink and paper of a bank note, to use it. but if you want to ask a specific question about how many secret ingredients the ink and paper should have to secure a $1m bank note, its usually best to know why it has secret ingredients, know why green misture was chosen and understand a bit of the printing process. otherwise without the background knowledge all you will need to say is "green" and "paper" as your security level requirement.
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obviously the OP himself is advertising his own scam by pretending what he is typing is an email he received.
where in actual fact he is just advertising the address to get people to stupidly send funds to.
reported.
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op obviously owns the ponzi site.
but to any readers before this is deleted.
dont hand your bitcoins or fiat to someone offering you something thats not an actual bitcoin/fiat. especially if they are a noob account.
reported: advertising a scam
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WTF are you on about? all funds are spendable. all funds are real, no matter what date they were received that address contains: 1 coinbase and 43 address to address transactions a coinbase is spendable. but being a coinbase is not a transaction in my eyes. its why it was given the term 'coinbase' to separate it into a different terminology from regular transactions. but as i said ALL the funds are spendable, all the funds are real. i know this is digressing off the OP's question. and being pedantic, and that franky1 already knows about it, but the very first coinbase is not spendable due to a quirk in the Bitcoin code. Every coinbase after that is spendable so SmartIphone would consider the second block's coinbase as the first transaction. However, I take the majority's view that the pizza sale was the first Bitcoin transaction. the very first UNSPENDABLE coinbase https://blockchain.info/address/1A1zP1eP5QGefi2DMPTfTL5SLmv7DivfNathis is part of the genesis block and yes there are reasons it is unspendable as you say. (note 1A1 address unspendable note 12c address spendable) but other coinbases for the other 400,000+ blocks are spendable but other transactions for the other 400,000+ blocks are spendable the first transaction was in block 170 https://blockchain.info/tx/f4184fc596403b9d638783cf57adfe4c75c605f6356fbc91338530e9831e9e16hundreds of transactions (address to address) occurred after block 170, but the first trade (known transaction for goods/services) was in block 57035 https://blockchain.info/tx/49d2adb6e476fa46d8357babf78b1b501fd39e177ac7833124b3f67b17c40c2aafter this point trades become more common and it became unknown due to no one advertising every trade, and so now we just deem a transaction and trade as the same thing and just call it a transaction. again transaction involving 2 parties. a coinbase does not involve 2 parties. but this is more about "social interpretation" than anything technical |
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Well these promotions was not done on this forum only, it was done on campus and public areas and people came here to brag and to share. It was fun seeing all these things happening in the scene. Yes, it might not be the ideal method to promote Bitcoin, but it was a load of fun. Let's just bring back that feeling.. of excitement and forward thinking. It's all business these days... boring!  i have been involved in alot of promoting. and it seemed that alot of the givaways just meandered and ended up as just circlejerking between people already involved with bitcoin trying to grab some free income. such as bitcoin prizes at bitcoin meetups. giveaways on this forum. and bitcoin things within bitcoin conventions. we need to go outside of bitcoin conferences. we need to not offer airdrops only available if you have a ticket to a bitcoin centric seminar at a bitcoin friendly college. things like normal retailers selling normal products for fiat. giving away bitcoins as a free bonus. every city having a bitcoin meetup to organise the next day of promote bitcoin in their city.. rather then just sit and talk about the glory of core. use meetups to set up face to face exchanging or form idea's that help your city expand |
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It is disappointing to see the all the energy about economic freedom turn to greed. First the grass roots projects began to dry up, then infighting ruined whatever organized attempts by groups like the bitcoin foundation were tried. Now it's just a lot of "Wut computer buttons do I push to get rich?". Few even seem to want bitcoin, they are just using it to get fiat.
Well brothers, bitcoin will grow because of what YOU DO. For example: Message Amazon today and demand to pay with bitcoin. It would take 5 mins. and if a tiny fraction of us did this it would happen tomorrow and bitcoin would soar. So ask not what bitcoin can do for you, but what you can do for bitcoin.
+1 you get it |
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promoting bitcoin within a bitcoin forum is silly. and it should be obvious why.
its like promoting a music band, by telling people the band is playing on day X. seems a good idea... buy
by handing out leaflet only inside the event on day X to only the people already at the venue after they bought their ticket. not a good idea
to even sign up to this forum you need to have already heard of bitcoin and had more then a fleeting thought about it to want to search about it to come across this forum.
so doing bitcoin giveaways on this site is not converting anyone or introducing anyone
due to the logical fact everyone on this site already having some grasp or heard or knows of bitcoin.
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lesson one, learn bitcoin
lesson two pruning is not fantastic as it breaks the chain by not having the evidence to back up the hashes.
lesson three if there was 100% guarantee of 3 people not colluding, having 3 nodes is better than 5000 nodes created by one group
lesson four it doesnt matter if one group made a million nodes, by one group controlling the decisions of 1mill nodes, bitcoin would be biased/colluding into the direction of that one group
now to be helpful:
the real question should be how many non colluding nodes (independent groups with independent code) should there be
which in reality of bitcoin, the answer is not a number, but a %, which most would say less than 51% of nodes should belong to any single group and atleast 3 groups, where there is a few thousand scattered across countries to avoid data loss, government shutdowns etc
emphasis 5000 nodes dominated by group A. makes bitcoin dominated by group A's decisions. thus rendering the reason for distribution near useless for its intentional purpose of avoiding collusion and instead only being used to prevent viruses hitting one location
the distribution of the blockchain is not just to have copies to avoid viruses from destroying data in one hit, its about avoiding any one group from having unquestionable control.
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in america when you go to a shop do you say how much USD is this. nope
in the UK when you go to a shop do you say how much GBP is this. nope
you say dollar, bucks or $..
you say pound, quid or £
USD and GBP are not used in the real world of normal conversations and consumer/retail of real currency holders, its only used in wallstreet by day trade players
same goes for the OP's desire for using XBT
XBT wallstreet.
btc normal real bitcoin holders
atleast then people can know what they are actually trading and getting
sure you can write one, two, three instead of 1, 2, 3 and people will understand you. but at some point we agreed on an standard. so if you write a text about two potatoes and in the next sentence they are II potatoes and the sentence after that 2 potatoes, people will be able to understand you, buy why complicate things? we use abbreviation for a reason and if we use all the same and everywhere it makes things easier. i only say metric system. and btw USD and GBP are not only used at wallstreet. USD GBP are used by government and banking institutions in reference to their reports, statistics, holdings in trusts, investments and other things. which are more relevantly linked to the wallstreet markets rather than the bank note, real dollars/pounds trying to suggest that we should pretend XBT will be the same as btc, when its already known that XBT will be used on non bitcoin deposit/withdrawal (wallstreet) exchanges. is foolishly going to lead the naive to think there is not a difference. in the forex markets every REAL forex trader knows that the USD market in forex is a different market and different store of value than the way consumers hold value of dollars. but the naive think they are the exact same thing. bitcoin is suppose to wake people up to the shady crap of the bankers. so lets not push banker shady crap into the bitcoin realm. lets atleast try to make bitcoin something honest, open and transparent |
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You still have no proof that I plan to grab people's keys.
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You also have not even provided a theory as to HOW I would steal peoples BTC.
Once your BTC keys are imported to SatoshiCoin wallet, they will be unusable.
The Bitcoin you imported will be added to the SatoshiCoin network,
The Bitcoin you imported will be added to the SatoshiCoin network, translation. you spend the bitcoin out of peoples private keys and put them into a bitcoin address owned by "SatoshiCoin network" AKA you! I said that if the process could be done without utilizing private keys, that would be preferable.
you only changed tact, AFTER i called you out. which is the usual tactic scammers do. twist what they said to then dig themselves deeper to try keeping their scam alive i am not going to tell you ways to secure bitcoin, because i dont want you spinning it into your elaborate scheme.
the issue is you are talking about an alt.. just like 1000's of other alts. but your mindset is still concentrating on the bitcoin grab. and lacks the other part of the conversation which would show you understand the problem your are pretending to solve |
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If Virwox can survive bitcoin sales chargebacks when they are selling high volumes of bitcoins via Paypal, why can't other Paypal users survive chargebacks? The common argument is that Virwox charges very high fees. But high fees has no link with whether Paypal terminates its working relationship with Virwox.
Is it because Virwox is based in Austria and its local Paypal office has different sets of legislation to follow?
its impossible to avoid chargebacks 100% of the time, "if there is a will there is a way". but virwox presumably does better due diligence than most. say an average btc<->paypal had a 50% scam rate usually. by doing due diligence, you can decline trading with certain people. then out of those that pass a certain due diligence criteria, you then filter out some more people based on other things. until you have a safer level of scam-ability. and then charge a fee to cover that level. normal paypal users wont and sometimes cant do the same level of checks for many reasons 1. they are just individuals with no access to any checking services (credit reports, corporate blacklists) 2. they are individuals and blindly think paypal protect them so they can be lazy 3. they are individuals and dont have the knowledge/experience to see the red flags |
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I literally mentioned the defining feature in the title. The whole point of the project is to bring fee-less micropayments back to Bitcoin
you don't realise why after 7 years of using bitcoin that the fee exists. and im not talking about the post 2140 scenario. but the utility of fee's today you don't realise why after 7 years of using bitcoin why microtransactions have issues. also why have no tx fee if the scam coin has no utility. again highlighting it cant be used on exchanges, etc again you have not thought about the problem. you are just using an issue you dont understand to then concentrate on grabbing peoples bitcoin keys. without needing to create an actual fork and increase block sizes.
an intentional fork(creating an alt) you pretend to avoid.. is solved by.. creating an alt.. come on. even u must see the irony |
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That's the nice thing about it. Theoretically, it could be started up with 1 BTC initial investment of my own funds. Initially, I would import 1 BTC of my own funds for 100,000,000 SatoshiCoin. I would split this up into X amount of wallets and then distribute the wallets & keys to different people as a reward for starting up a full node. They would not be able to withdraw the SatoshiCoin into BTC until they accumulate 100,000 SatoshiCoin (.001 BTC). I would intentionally give a smaller amount than what is needed to withdraw in hopes that more people put BTC into the network, thus increasing the amount of SatoshiCoin into existence.
LOL now you want to hand out many many thousands of wallets as the tempter, in the hopes people then hand you their bitcoin keys. keep going. dig your hole deeper. The important thing to remember is that it will be built natively into a full node to be able to exchange 100,000 SatoshiCoin into .001 BTC instantly, and that the BTC on reserve is held by the network as a whole, and completely inaccessible to the developers. That's the part I need a programmer for, I don't think that technology exists yet.
nah, it does exist. but i dont think that your intentions are honourable. your more emotionally invested in getting people to hold a bag of scamcoins then you are in explaining the problem your pretending to solve. |
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Don't focus too much on small details, they are subject to change. Instead of accusing me of being a scammer, try to look at the big picture I am attempting to paint and help me come up with a more secure way to manifest it.
its obvious of your plan. because you have not even mentioned the features of the coin.. just mentioned how to grab bitcoin from people. i am not going to tell you ways to secure bitcoin, because i dont want you spinning it into your elaborate scheme. if someone genuinely wanted to fix bitcoin problems, they would talk about the new coins features that fix the problem. and not even concentrate on the bitcoin grabbing aspect. all i see is that its not useable(cant trade on exchanges) and then the flim flam of how many scamcoins you are capping and how you are getting their private keys. |
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P.S now i read you scamcoin proposition. all i see is a way for you to grab peoples private keys 1. so while they are holding a bag of your worthless scamcoins 2 that cannot be spent on 250,000 merchants. cant even be traded on an exchange 3 YOU then have their private key to steal their bitcoin 4. 1To obtain SatoshiCoins, you will import the private keys of your BTC wallet into your SatoshiCoin wallet.
2and you will have instant access to an equal amount of SatoshiCoins.
3nor are they purchased on an exchange.
4Once your BTC keys are imported to SatoshiCoin wallet, they will be unusable.
The Bitcoin you imported will be added to the SatoshiCoin network,
The Bitcoin you imported will be added to the SatoshiCoin network, translation. you spend the bitcoin out of peoples private keys and put them into a bitcoin address owned by "SatoshiCoin network" AKA you! well played. but you lost game over, moving on |
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P.S now i read you scamcoin proposition. all i see is a way for you to grab peoples private keys 1. so while they are holding a bag of your worthless scamcoins 2 that cannot be spent on 250,000 merchants. cant even be traded on an exchange 3 YOU then have their private key to steal their bitcoin 4. 1To obtain SatoshiCoins, you will import the private keys of your BTC wallet into your SatoshiCoin wallet.
2and you will have instant access to an equal amount of SatoshiCoins.
3nor are they purchased on an exchange.
4Once your BTC keys are imported to SatoshiCoin wallet, they will be unusable.
The Bitcoin you imported will be added to the SatoshiCoin network,
"The Bitcoin you imported will be added to the SatoshiCoin network, " translation: "SatoshiCoin network" AKA you spend the bitcoin out of peoples private keys and put them into a bitcoin address owned by "SatoshiCoin network" AKA you! well played. but you lost |
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lol having majority consensus without a flag to block nodes, ensures there is one chain and any minority variant(old rule incase of majority having new rule) orphans out, keeping everyone on the same single chain
it happens everyday
people are always trying things, miners have tried doing small changes to get efficient but if it doesnt fit the rules(mistake or intentional) it gets rejected.
there are orphans everyday, and no one cares because consensus keeps everyone on one chain.
however creating a second chain by adding a flag (like ethereum did: --oppose-dao-fork) to intentionally stop the consensus mechanism orphaning off the minority and letting it survive because the minority go in their own direction, is an issue because it forces a fork, which is termed "controversial"
also creating an altcoin and peg it 1:1 for bitcoin is the same as a controversial fork after the dust settles.
what needs to be done is to rely on the consensus mechanism. to use the consensus mechanism and to trust the consensus mechanism. then the chain will continue in a single direction, where upgrades happen if the majority dont orphan off a certain rule due to the majority having the rule
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