When will the design details of the new PoS system be shared so we know how they plan to scale?
The plans are sufficiently shared already in the numerous presentations and YouTube videos. I know the limits of the range of choices they can possibly choose from. So I know they are stuck up river without a paddle. They will eventually realize this, and then either they will try to shoehorn some crap that creates a Prisoner's Dilemma and breaks Nash equilibrium (such as "transaction receipts") and/or they will hide the fact that they will allow the validation to centralize (as I allege Iota is doing). So the hype could go on for some time before it finally enters a collapse similar to the current Bitcoin scalepocalpyse. Ultimately someone will create something that works properly and beat them and Bitcoin. I know who that person might be. He is very close to me. He is sick and trying to get healthy for the big coding push. Note the BS often beats substance, or the BShitters can simply copy the substance and claim it as their own. So it isn't really clear how all this is going to play out. |
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ether mining is still all GPU and they claim to be ASIC proof... i wouldnt expect Chinese exchanges to list ether until there's some ether mining in China.
Maybe China is developing miners for ETH just like they did with LTC... They just ASIC'd Dash, any coin with time could be ASIC. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1371705.0They won't be able to ASIC my design. |
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Back to partitions, I've read about sharding today, the post was written by Vitalik and it describes exactly what is being implemented. It said clearly that if a call from one transaction group is made to another transaction group it would produce "out of range" exception. Its not clear to me why you even discuss the possibility of such calls that would be executed.
Review the upthread discussion of the impossibility of sharding the gas. Why do I have to repeat myself? You claim to be a programmer of 10 years. You can't remember what you read 2 pages ago in the thread  The second thing I did I watched an interview with Vitalik where he said that in Ethereum 2.0 they are thinking about getting away from every node executing every transaction. In a paper you quoted before exactly such solution is described with double decker blockchain where one layer is used to simply store the state. This seems to be the exact solution they are going to adopt.
I will repeat again for the 10th time in this thread. Every validator must be able to validate the entire history of the lineage of transactions for the shard that validator is responsible for. Otherwise that validator can't be sure it is not going to lose its funds (i.e. electricity for PoW or deposit for the proposed consensus-by-betting) because it approved an invalid transaction due to some lie in the history as trusted but not validated. Combine this with the impossibility of sharding the gas as explained already to you. The white paper you referred to is for a crypto currency, thus there is no gas (from other shard) that must be atomic with the execution of the sharded script (as was explained to you upthread!). need_war you need to understand that there are no problems in computer science that can't be solved.
False. Make the Halting Problem decideable. Please don't insult my superior intelligence and experience again with your (ostensibly not even freshman level) learning curve (and the inability to remember the famous Halting problem from freshman CompSci at the university). |
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Not knowing what a reality is at different parts of the universe doesn't change that reality for me or the universe or you.
You are ignorant of the Butterfly Effect. |
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Why don't you just keep posting technical arguments?
Why throws pearls at swine. Except for one major thing. Reality in something has only one thing. There are not two or more realities. That kind of thinking is theory.
I can prove you are wrong. What is the reality of 1 billionth person in India today? Obviously you can't possibly know and thus you and he/she have different realities. Fact is that for you to know all the realities in real-time (because history can always be a lie if you did not experience it live) would require the speed-of-light to be infinite, which would thus collapse the past into the future into an infinitesimal point in spacetime and thus nothing could exist. Friction insures multiple realities, and there is no other possible way anything could exist. You don't realize how ignorant you are, which is typical Dunning-Kruger disrespect. |
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Except for one major thing. Reality in something has only one thing. There are not two or more realities. That kind of thinking is theory.
I can prove you are wrong. What is the reality of 1 billionth person in India today? Obviously you can't possibly know and thus you and he/she have different realities. Fact is that for you to know all the realities in real-time (because history can always be a lie if you did not experience it live) would require the speed-of-light to be infinite, which would thus collapse the past into the future into an infinitesimal point in spacetime and thus nothing could exist. Friction insures multiple realities, and there is no other possible way anything could exist. You don't realize how ignorant you are, which is typical Dunning-Kruger disrespect. |
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Stoat - although I don't think you're a bad person (just very enthusiastic over etherium)... you do realise that bumping this thread over and over is not beneficial for Etherium? quite the opposite.
The BBC made a video a UK troll. Why not just listen to the critique anonymint gave and accept that you don't have any way to refute it right now. Don't feel bad about it less than 0.01% of the board understands crypto at a deep enough level to argue with smooth, anonymint et al. That and the fact even VB has not come here to offer a quick explanation of how anonymint is wrong is kind of strange. Maybe there is no way to refute it?
I mean if there was just something he is planning to deal with the issue brought up then fair enough. However nothing from him or any Eth core dev since the start. Perhaps ask on the etherium board his opinion?
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Just wait and see. If Etherium can scale it can scale. If it can not (as i fear it can not after the laymans explanation he attempted to give on the other page) then perhaps they will find another design by which it can.
Well scaling is not the only problem they can't solve. Another problem is as I explained upthread, that generalized scripting destroys the security of the block chain because it enables scenarios where the 51% attacker can fund his attack by stealing the coins of others. Ethereum is vaporware. The unsatisfying part will be that stoat will disappear when Ethereum has failed and he was chicken shit to reveal his true identity, so we won't be able to doxx him in real life. |
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Maybe thats what you get up to with all those underage boys and girls over there in the philipines
My gf's 26th bday was March 3. She monitors me 24 x 7. Any more lies (about me or Ethereum)? So basically you're admitting you're a sex tourist, possible fugitive from the united states and probable pederast. I've had the same gf for a year. And I am not a fugitive (nonsense how could I be a fugitive and have a valid passport which is required to renew my visa every 6 months). Any more lies about me or Ethereum? Apparently my gf is older than you. And she is at child bearing age, but you are still at child who isn't ready for responsibility. |
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Nodes can identify themselves by cryptographically linking their IP address with an account (called "hallmarking" in Nxt) which mitigates Sybil attacks. The client can be configured to only download blocks from a subset of nodes linked with known accounts and/or a minimum stake threshold. In an attack scenario this would allow offline nodes to filter out malicious nodes and sync with the proper chain. It's basically an optionally enabled reputation layer for trusting nodes linked to known accounts, not a silver bullet because of the flaws with all reputation systems (long term planned exploit) but still helpful as another layer of security.
You are trusting those with stake to not lie. But remember they can short the coin and destroy the value of their stake and still profit. We are interested in trustless, decentralized crypto currency. That is what Satoshi pitched to us in his white paper. Satoshi's design is also flawed though. Besides this does nothing to stop the attack monsterer outlined. Whose stake is valid? Whose is current, the reorganized block chain or the reorganized one? Which one was the reorganized one? You see proof-of-shit is self-referential and thus can't prove anything about itself. |
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Well you don't need to find historical keys (in order to rewrite the history of PoS block chains), when you can make them for nearly 0 cost.
Simply buy and sell on an exchange, and your cost will only be the spread.
Then short the coin, and start attacking.
Obviously this doesn't apply to illiquid meaningless microfloat altcoins. We are talking about whether PoS is viable for a mainstream decentralized coin. Not.
For a centralized coin, then anything works, you don't even need PoS nor PoW (except to fool people with).
So let's say if Bitcoin was PoS, your attack plan is: step 1: buy up 50% of all available Bitcoin? uh good luck with that. It is so tiring to reply to the hordes of ignorant trolls. I wrote upthread that one could buy and sell the coins on an exchange. They would then hold the historic private keys to attack with. This would only cost them the average spread between buy and sell prices, so they don't actually have to buy 50%. |
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max reorg depth in NXT is 720 blocks
Checkpoints are centralization. Mex reorg depth isn't checkpoints. It is if you expect it to be honored objectively by offline nodes (propagation isn't objective proof because it can be Sybil attacked). I will let monsterer explain that to you, if you don't understand. May be you will explain us what exactly is centralised in a cryptocurrency (doesn't matter PoS or PoW) whose nodes reject reorgs if they are deeper than the max allowed depth? Maybe first you can explain why you are too ignorant to understand what I wrote which thus makes your reply irrelevant noise. Hint: how can an offline node reject that which it wasn't online to detect? How does an offline know from the history which is presented to it, which chain (past the 720 limit) occurred first? Basic things you need to grasp before you post on this thread. An offline node is ignorant about the propagation order that occurred which the online nodes observed. Those who claim they were online, can be a Sybil attack lie. The only proof is what can be cryptographically stored in the block chain history. I so tired of replying to those who don't know a damn thing about what they are writing about yet are so damn boastful. |
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Maybe thats what you get up to with all those underage boys and girls over there in the philipines
My gf's 26th bday was March 3. She monitors me 24 x 7. Any more lies (about me or Ethereum)? |
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OK, he had a green tee shirt & purple pants amongst the gray-suited denizens.
He has worn that before: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naKvYfYsBQoFor someone who is technical capable of understanding the details, he sounds completely lost in this video. He is selling shit that he has no idea of how to implement in a way that actually scales and doesn't render the block chain insecure. |
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Well done for posting in your self moderated thread that I wanted to beat you up when you were the one who started posting about wanting to fight me first.
For someone who made such a big deal about strict Queen's English upthread, it is quite ironic you repeat again another inaccurate use of the English language. I didn't write 'want'. I wrote 'can' and 'required to'. Do you need a dictionary? Same difference. Nope. And you claim you read books  Dumbo The Flying Elephant fairytales I guess. |
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I'm pretty sure Manny would be using you as a punching bag
I'd be grateful if he gave me that opportunity to test my athleticism at my age versus his. It would be a day of honor for me and an experience I would cherish. I am athlete and Manny would soon realize that. I'll probably have a little surprise (about my athleticism) for you fools in a few days I think. This is pointless though arguing with kiddies using their mobile phones on their moma's sofabed. You will never actually put yourself in a situation where your words have to have be backed up with action. Meritocracy is not in your vocabulary. Back in the day, you faggots were the ones we tied to the pole stripped down to your underwear, with a jock strap taped over your mouth. |
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Well done for posting in your self moderated thread that I wanted to beat you up when you were the one who started posting about wanting to fight me first.
For someone who made such a big deal about strict Queen's English upthread, it is quite ironic you repeat again another inaccurate use of the English language. I didn't write 'want'. I wrote 'can' and 'required to'. Do you need a dictionary? |
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I saw Vitalik at the Blockchain Summit today. He was in a great panel discussion.
All I can say is that he is astonishingly brilliant, coherent, clear and forward-thinking.
I'd wish for 1/10 his brain power, but my lowly roombot circuits would overload.
You ostensibly don't have the technological brain power to evaluate his words coherently. I know Vitalik is intelligent enough in mathematical structure, but that is not sufficient. Do you have any idea how many brilliant mathematicians are totally incapable of managing software projects. If you don't, then it exhibits that you are not knowledgeable enough to judge anything in this altcoin arena from a standpoint of software development. P&D is another matter entirely and have fun stealing from your fellow brothers in society. |
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The coming Knowledge Age will likely also be an age of righteousness. [...] Your error is your continued insistence to lay the limitations of humanity on the doorstep of religion when in actual fact religion is a critical and perhaps primary mechanism for overcoming these limitations.
Since the religion of government and socialism will have failed us, I suspect the new religion will be one of rewarding digital intellectual property rights despite the fact that everything digital can be freely copied, because in the Knowledge Age the Theory of the Firm breaks down and the individual relies on the income from his own production. Yet the Knowledge Age is all about sharing. The new righteousness is about individual reputation in the new culture of sharing to banish defectors who would destroy the economic paradigm of the new age. Religions are borne out of necessity. This directly impacts for example what should be the correct designs for file sharing paradigms (why I have stated that MaidSafe, Storj, Sia, etc are all flawed because they are designed for stealing not respecting producers). P.S. Feel free to quote me to the other thread. I can't keep up reading and posting in both threads. The young, indoctrinated thieves of Socialism are burning down the society right here in our own block chain arena. |
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I'm honestly not sure whether to be gob smacked or laugh at what this thread has devolved into!  I PM'ed r0ach and told him I would grateful if he would close the thread. With 25 year olds trolling this forum from their mobile devices while masturbating to porn in the comfortable of their moma's sofabed, I don't think there can be any mature technological discussion. It is pointless to attempt to discuss technology and attempt to inform others while also sharing and learning from each other. With all the vaporware and hyped technological delusion that populates the altcoin arena (and that includes your eMunie and my vaporcoin), those projects with actual currently best-of-class implementation get drowned out when they attempt be respectful and less noisy as they have been lately (e.g. Monero). If anything the $15 million Ethereum has wasted would ostensibly have produced more if it had been invested in Monero so the community could donate more to developers to improve it. In the real world of stock securities, normally companies have to produce something with the first round of funding. But in this manipulated reality where the insiders control the float and can do insider trading without facing the jail time that normally accompanies such practices, then all sense of reality is lost and we are back to laissez-faire 1800s where snake oil salesmen regularly defrauded the unwary. All those buying ETH and along for the ride attempting to defraud their brothers who are less savvy, are not in this arena to better our society and each other by rewarding production and a meritocracy, but rather to steal from each other just as Socialism taught them to do. This is a dysfunctional society that will crash and burn. If some random 25 year old thinks he can beat up a 51 year old man, I will make an example of him about the way men used to be and the way she-men are now. If stoat was even half the athlete that is required to beat me up, he wouldn't write like a scared bitch. Just like that 190cm foreigner in the mall the other day who tried to fuck with me in the line of grocery store here in Davao and I challenged him to step outside and he was shivering in his fucking boots because he suddenly realized he was dealing with something he did not expect, when I got right in his face eyes-to-eyes. He looked into my eyes and realized this is the real world. |
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