How about a USB stick miner? The current Avalon chip is less than 2.5W, the USB power limit. It's around 275MH/s and could probably be sold for less than $5 in quantity.
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I think I'll commit Seppuku before this happens. Speaking of which:
Inaba, I have a knife to recommend for you when April 1st comes.
edit: oh he removed that Seppuku statement if BFL doesn't ship by April...
BitSyncom, Recommend them a place where laws are not working and they can not be found Seppuku is a privilege to people with dignity and honor correct? Only a samurai privilege |
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most likely after batch 3 they will built their own mining farm , not selling batch 4.
From what it sounds like on Avalon's front page, on their FAQ, they're using this capital to fund the next generation of ASICs. Next year perhaps? I think we've now entered the arms race of ASICs. Yes and it's China vs China(Avalon vs ASICMiner) with both US companies being scams. Makes me embarrassed to admit I'm American.  Dude, they were scammed also. Guess buy who? One of the company admitted it already the other one is still trying to get out clean of it. I mean they really try it but sometimes it is just not enough. No irony here. But their customers get scammed from the companies to whom they paid for and they do not care abut their subcontractors known also as "engineering team" or bumping heat radiators or whatever. All of us are about to pay the price i am not talking about ASICS but in general. Doing a business with 0 ability to engineer even to produce anything worked for last years (money moving) all around the world but these times are about to end. There are a lot of money moved in one direction only if you follow me. None from US and Eu wanted to do dirty job to invent any thing and to produce it with small exceptions of course. And the price for big business profits accumulated over the years has to be paid. And who pays the bill? We of course ...That sucks man besides it is a piece of cake to take millions from here move hundreds (thousands in worst case) to there with fancy management only and collect - this shit is not working anymore |
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That's my guess as well (not utilizing PWM). I'm of course referring to the blue LED fan which is the one that cools the far left (power supply) section of the system.
I guess this fan is not PWM The problem is, that it was reporting the FAN RPM on the 3/21/2013 Firmware. Which strongly implies that it is PWM enabled. It is probably a software/firmware bug. If you are sure abuot it i have to agree with you. I have never seen it on mine, but i am not taking care too match which version i am running if it is latest:) However the easiest way to check this is if you happen to open the case of your avalon and count fan wires. In my opinion blue fan is different compared to other two for sure. |
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Ngzhang,
Please comment this topic when you can. Everyone is so excited about batch 3 or because of their units are cumming and so on. I am excited of the oppertunity to build a couple of units by myself.
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WoW, this is great manual! Thank you!
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I guess if you purchase 10k chips then the comm protocol info will be given & you have to redesign PCB / controller from scratch. otherwise no way.
Let us see and wait for avalon reply. I am not about to do business from it it is just like a hobby project For me 10,000 chips is a hobby project to you? Not at all dude, As i stated i am about to TRY to build a couple of units for myself That is why the topic Title says DIY |
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That's my guess as well (not utilizing PWM). I'm of course referring to the blue LED fan which is the one that cools the far left (power supply) section of the system.
I guess this fan is not PWM |
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I guess if you purchase 10k chips then the comm protocol info will be given & you have to redesign PCB / controller from scratch. otherwise no way.
Let us see and wait for avalon reply. I am not about to do business from it it is just like a hobby project For me |
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Hi, what would be needed to run a Avalon module standalone?
And can you underclock it so it can be passively cooled unsealed?
You will need avalon controller to be able to do that. I doubted that even underclocked you could run it outside case. You need airflow to cool chips down |
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Dear
Ngzhang (BitSyncom),
I am interested to build a couple of units myself. Reading your latest newsletter i understood your intention is to make ASIC chips to be available for sale as separate item. However in order for us the hobbyist to be able to use them we need following to happen:
1. Have the ASIC board PSB design available altum or whatever
2. To be able to purchase PDU (it can be spiked probably) and Controller alone (necessary) or to have them in Altum
3. All interface cables and power cables pinout schematics
I will be very glad if you consider the option and sell us all components needed (ASIC chips, Inductors + FTDI and all rare components excluding capacitors and resistors which are easy to find) as DIY KIT and to provide us the design of the ASIC PCB + Controller - including controller Firmware if there is one.
I personally would be very happy to be able to build my unit myself and this will give me much off joy doing that.
I am waiting for your comments
Best
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About the statement that Sure, but everyone knows how to do FPGA. I can argue with you on that. There are only three people i think who knows about FPGA in details. I don't know enough about FPGA so i think you to be correct. I was confusing people releasing FPGA hardware with people programming the bitstream of the fpga cores. However, i still think that developing a FPGA core dosen't equals to be able to produce an ASIC one  All is about skills and dedication. These people have them all |
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i had the same setting/firmware as you , at 1day 23h it stoped hassing
stop start cgminer fixed it for about 3h-5h
after reset it seems to go on until it stops again
it is like no new work is subited to the worker The Alive tab has 0mhs
i have random results about the hassing stop
at 6h
at 4h
at about 3h
after 13h
it seems that maybe the monitor crom job is going in a loop , the only thing in the log si about the monitor job
Thorvald
cron job is not looping power off/on is needed sometimes to recover PS Latest FW: 1day 12h 42m 04s up time so far |
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I was pointed out that they never sold one unit of that FPGA farm. I was also confused by this before like you are. It seems pretty ok for me with 100% prove they know what they do although the link above is for FPGA. Sure, but everyone knows how to do FPGA. I happened to find a post from DAVE exc BASIC PR with hyperlink to their business plan and all the numbers inside Including AVALON ROI and all their team members. just look in the forum and follow Dave post's
Dave BASIC background is not making him a scammer at least for me. And yes i think that he is involved at that project also
He is for me. The project before 100TH was to buy something like 1000 BTCFPGA asic units or something like that. What a business plan! Also, look at how their ipo went, i personally don't belive them to have founded it. Thanks for the info dude. About the statement that Sure, but everyone knows how to do FPGA. I can argue with you on that. There are only three people i think who knows about FPGA in details. 1. Ngzhang - but unfortunately he has no time to finish Lancelot bit stream to produce 600+ Mhs 2. Bitfury 3. Endrywel It is like the joke of good and bad C programer Bad ones are making some code compiling and they see what it does - BFL for example how long until they make it or until everyone request a refund. good ones know what the code will output no try/errors iterations on the spot from first time So i am trusting the good ones:) And only one of the good ones offered asic for us miners. So my choice was very easy without any hesitation:) |
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FYI: 100TH is nothing for industrial production
It is a good start though:) and they will scale for sure if they found funding |
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bitfury is about to deploy
Where is the info in them? Look for 100TH picostock or something like that. I personally believe them to be a scam... It seems pretty ok for me with 100% prove they know what they do although the link above is for FPGA. I happened to find a post from DAVE exc BASIC PR with hyperlink to their business plan and all the numbers inside Including AVALON ROI and all their team members. just look in the forum and follow Dave post's Dave BASIC background is not making him a scammer at least for me. And yes i think that he is involved at that project also |
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Why no one is talking about Pyramining? Their ASICs will be ready in a month. Mining with Pyramining has no additional costs like power or connectivity. There is another factor (which is a killer feature): every one involved will benefit automatically from hw upgrades. For example, one account of mine, opened with 50$ ~6 months ago will be 18GHs with ASICs! If I had bought hardware instead of investing in Pyramining, I'd stay with only 0.1 GHs instead of 18GHs! Is that Bitfury project? |
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1) $200/h is an exaggeration to demonstrate that they will not have problem finding any number of qualified people to assemble units.
2) each person can put together 96 units in 8 hours if he besides to work fast, maybe get paid $25/h, so 2 people not 20
Super wish them luck with super fast assembling and UNTESTED units. take care mumu i am giving up arguing with you but what you speak is just a big nonsense. BFL will not be able ever to ship 200 units a day never . I suggest you to read what bitfury is about to deploy + Asicminer and eventually 10% of what BFL promised and adjust your math based on that |
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Making prototype of ASIC on a budget i.e. under $200,000 for 65nm takes 3-4+ month additional time and is pointless. So then we left over with full production run and that is why there is no prototype, but once first unit is made and firmware/software complete then they can make any number of units a day as long as it's profitable to make them and it is. They can just hire entire army of workers and pay them $200/hour and it still be profitable for them. The only thing they will run out of produced chips in matter of weeks.
Ok no argue with that dude. Hope dies last as we know. Let all of us leave them work then and wait. Simple math tells me:worker at 200 USD: 20 Workesx200Bugs x8 hours*22days=740 000 USd should be spent for making a prototype and to save 500 000? Am i stupid is the math wrong or just BFL management is not doing the simple math as me? And they had a lot more than 3-4+ month for prototyping? BFL is not a thread for Avalon batch 3 customers at all. The real thread for them is Bitfury. This guy knows his shit pretty well and he and his team have the skills and knowledge to do it. He will make his project to an end that is for sure at least for me. The only question is if Bitfury will find investors/funds to do it and how many TH is he going to deploy. And if Asicminer changes his plans eventually and deploy more. |
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There is too high probability that by the time Avalon batch 3 delivered BFL will be out in full 655TH force and then good luck with making back your 88 BTC
I have calculated that BFL pumping @25% of their ability i.e. 200 units a day * 22 workdays a month of 60GH units will increase network by 8.8TH a day
200*22*60/30=8,800GH
Not counting existing miners or other companies. So in 365 days you will make 43.71 BTC and deduct $1,314 for power (0.600kW*24H*365D*$0.25)
Price is 3-4 times too high so it's too big of a gamble. Feels like Avalon is cashing-out out of the game. Last final sale for all the marbles, grabbing with both hands. They pretty much dead very soon. Even if BFL will delay again for 2 month, Avalon doesn't have much better track record of delivering in volume. Where are 1st batch 300 and 2nd 600, I ask you?
And we are only 2 weeks away from their announced delivery.
Plus no warranty or guaranteed support. Sounds like they don't have faith in their ability to fix it, (or make it)
Dude, Your math is quite correct for sure. But do you really believe in miracles ? I would suggest BFL to hire a mag so they can meet 200 units a day volume shipped:) But before that they have to hire a whole army of mags to be able to make at least one working unit - something called a prototype PS: i will relay appreciate some REAL feedback from Kano or Luke about BFL dev status. But this aint gonna happen as we all know or will eventually happen when and only when they have some good news for all of the BFL customers Just to refresh you memory it took 10-15 Days to avalon team to build a working unit + software (yeah i know cgminer was modified but it requires a lot of work and knowledge) . On the other hand BFL claim to have chips after who knows almost two months and they still do not have prototype yet. Which tells me just one thing - they (or their subcontractors) are not competent/able to do it or they have some real problems going on |
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