Mike mike.
The viorcoin block chain is fine.
The main reasons I am behind a merger of the coin is that
1) eurbids is a solo developer, and he doesn't need the extra hassle
2) eurbids has the advantage of experience within the telco industry so he would be a much better choice than myself or many others in taking over the sms gateway.
3) this will be the second coin eurbids will have saved, and you can't beat something like that for PR
4) the crypto community is tiny and dying. We need all the interested parties to be in the same boat.
1) I was not aware he could still use the same blockchain, Thanks. 2)Not that you would be taking it over entirely. Just that you'd head up promotions of it or them. You expressed some good ideas for promoting Vior in the past and Though Eurbids is talented at what he does he may not have the time and may actually appreciate someone heading up the "Business end" as he heads up the tech end. Obviously Community should be consulted. 3)I agree. 4)Actually you'd be surprised how many have both coins...BUT I don't know what you mean by the same boat. Do you mean having one coin and not two A Coin with a business end/real world usage to it is rare and therefore...and the Voip market is huge so there is potential. |
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1-Is it true the Vior Dev has left the coin to die?
2-Kore has purchased the license so Eurbids can use it for Vior.
3-Eurbids did say he wanted to increase the number of coins for KPRE 3.0.
4-I own both coins so sure I'd like to see Vior be taken over OR Thanks to Eurbids Kindness he's willing to
Honor those holding Vior. BUT-IF it's not a good decision for the Kore Community to take over Vior
then I'm willing to take a loss on the Vior I own.
5-Personally it makes a bit of sense to have two Voip Coins.
One super Anon and the other a possible public Coin on the stock market even.
This way the Super Stealthy Anon coin cannot hurt the other.
1. he wrote that will shutdown the network. this coin without the network is die. 2. Kore buyed a PBX software and license. This PBX is able to be a telco gateway for many coins. 3. It's not definitive yet. I need to understand if we going to merge the projects or not, before have clear the definitive configuration. 4. Kore can take only benefits from the merge. For Vior community it's different, they can choose if better going into Kore or going alone, or definitly die. 5. don't worry Mike, soon many other will do it. This is the reason for merge this two project. Have a major big and compacted community when will time for compete. I'm not a VIOR holder, my interesting in this merging is only for this. Eurbids, My main concern is there may be something beneficial to having two voip coins. I'm not sure but it may be easy as setting vior on a separate blockchain. BUT the reason two coins may be good is that one can be super anon and the other some anon features but it could be taken public and possibly be marketed into all the convenience stores etc. So IF the powers that be cause a problem for the super anon coin the main stream adopted coin can't be included since it's completely separate. |
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Guys what about this:
We merge it.. but don't carry on the whole coin supply of vior. There should be an exchange like -> for 1 Kore you have to exchange 3 vior.
because 1 kore is more worth than a vior..
Alisho and ALL... The buck stops with Eurbids. He said he's open to all ideas and I'm sure he is reading the threads. IF you want to make sure he sees your ideas then PM him also. |
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Mixing between the next 3 comparative ratios:
1) Market Cap (30%)
2) Technology Potential (20%)
3) Number of coins (50%)
But in any case I prefer to have 2 different coins and stay as we are rigth now, so my vote would be NO
The business model needs to be one business with two separate entities so if the super anon coin gets hammered the other has no issues and cannot be stopped. Thats what i always had in mind. Way to go mike mike! We must take into consideration Eurbids plan. If he says only one coin then it's one coin and named what he wants it named. We must realize IF the Vior Dev does not want to work with Eurbids OR is deciding to let Vior Die then we are at the mercy of Eurbids honoring the bag holders just because he wants to. SEE LINK TO HIS 2-VERY INFORMATIVE POSTS: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=834910.msg10851705#msg10851705https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=834910.msg10853096#msg10853096 |
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Comparative Ratios to take in account for the Merger:
1) Market Cap
Kore: 54,607$ (22/3/2015)
Vior: 12,486$ (22/3/2015)
The day of the merger need to be stablished and the market cap of that day will be the one which marks the stake for each coin.
Example: Kore: 50,000$ and Vior: 25,000$ . Final new coin stake distribution: Kore 66% ; Vior 33%.
2) % of Potential Technology Developed
Kore: 30%
Vior: 80%
Problems:
2 Brands
2 Different Business Models
Which one will be the name? And the main business model? Why not “compete”?
The name is Kore. Why ? because i'm the Kore dev, not the Vior dev. Why cannot compete ? because Vior dev gone. He don't give the full sources, and Vior without the voip feature is like all another coin. I will not going to work to two different project with the same features, it's illogical, and going to divide the community instead compact it. For compete you need to find another dev that take over the coin and continue the development, but he must to write the voip part from scratch. Here not many developers are able to done a work like this. 1-Is it true the Vior Dev has left the coin to die? 2-Kore has purchased the license so Eurbids can use it for Vior. 3-Eurbids did say he wanted to increase the number of coins for KPRE 3.0. 4-I own both coins so sure I'd like to see Vior be taken over OR Thanks to Eurbids Kindness he's willing to Honor those holding Vior. BUT-IF it's not a good decision for the Kore Community to take over Vior then I'm willing to take a loss on the Vior I own. 5-Personally it makes a bit of sense to have two Voip Coins. One super Anon and the other a possible public Coin on the stock market even. This way the Super Stealthy Anon coin cannot hurt the other. |
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How about the name "Kiore". Kind of a blend of the two.
Vegas
V-Kore / Kore-V K-Vior How about VIKO? or VyK as in skype How about Vore? or Kior? KiVi should be the choice. NOTE: The KORE TEAM has developed the Aether OS for our own KORE Branded smart phone. Does not mean there has to be the word KORE in the coin name. However MOST that understand the future challenges are saying it's good to keep them separate entities. We could possibly still use the name KOREPHONE regardless of the coin names. |
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Mixing between the next 3 comparative ratios:
1) Market Cap (30%)
2) Technology Potential (20%)
3) Number of coins (50%)
But in any case I prefer to have 2 different coins and stay as we are rigth now, so my vote would be NO
The business model needs to be one business with two separate entities so if the super anon coin gets hammered the other has no issues and cannot be stopped. |
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How about the name "Kiore". Kind of a blend of the two.
Vegas
V-Kore / Kore-V K-Vior |
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TO THE KORE COMMUNITY: Concerning the potential Merger of ViorCoin and KoreCoin: Please speak up.  This IS YOUR COIN and even if you have never posted and have a concern please either post it or PM it. I think that Kore users must to don't fear of this. Kore can take only benefits from this Merger. But anyway I like to know some ideas and thinkings. You may be correct. Asking the Community is the right thing to do...So I do it. If the two coins are merged we just need to find a way for the community to participate in its growth without the centralization of development stifling out the entrepreneurs. building this on two fronts is the way to go. the qt wallet and stealth development need to be on one side... while the commercial selling of voip minutes needs to be kept on the other. the first requires heavy crypto community involvement (like mikemikes os, a tor browser etc), while the second requires a legal incorporated body that manages the funds and transfers of kore 3.0 (to voip minutes, or for a kore marketplace) and allows for a scalable sale model where some entity is held accountable for the minutes and products that they buy and resell. in some ways it will be nice to have the two joined. i love the concept of both coins. BC BC, You have a good business outlook and planning mindset taking into consideration important factors I have discussed with someone. It makes sense for you to head up or/and find the right people to fill the positions needed. We spoke a few times PM of important issues and the furtherance of both coins many weeks ago. I trust your opinions and decisions and hope the Communities could support your efforts. This will allow us to continue doing what we are on the tech end. I did finally just yesterday get a Professional Video Producers info I have been requesting for months. You should join us in mumble to fill you in on some important endeavors we have lined up... These are my thoughts on this possible merger. Sincerely, MM |
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Hey guys need a little help I was trying to send a few kore from my wallet to bittrex but it tells me amount exceeds your balance. What to do?
Make sure you don't have any of those kore reserved in open orders. |
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always nice to bounce ideas around with you mikemike.
its hard in cryptoland when there are so many people who just want quick results without trying to build anything themselves.
i feel like im constantly arguing over the same piddly details when there are so many other things that a community needs to put there mind and energy into.
BC, Yes it's been a pleasure and you are an asset to any coin or project. I've seen a few of those arguments you had on this Vior thread and been there myself with Kore. IF something goes public we need to make sure no hedge-fund or other manager/investor corrupts the projects or coins. They should be the "secondary board" (a minority position would only lead to bribery and corruption) that can suggest ideas but those close to the coins and CC's are the final decision makers. |
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TO THE VIOR COMMUNITY: Concerning the potential Merger of ViorCoin and KoreCoin: Please speak up. This IS YOUR COIN and even if you have never posted and have a concern please either post it or PM it. I dont have to many concerns, as long as there is an elements of professionalism going forward. the two main features of the telcom system should be kept seperate though the crypto anon features should be kept seperate from the business oriented telcom gateway. the first should be run as a community project and be as open sourced as possible without giving away to many trade secrets it should be allowed to grow organically with as many minds and ideas working on it as possible, while the gateway should be run as a legal entity with regular earning reports, a fiat entrance point and regular updates regarding news and development to those that are participating within the business. In the end both feed the entire community, and allow for the greatest potential for investment and growth. I see and am starting to undertand more fully. I've been very busy lately and not been following the conversations.... You know a bit from our private conversations BUT we have some big crazy ideas That could be better served IF one of the coins or the Gateway went Public.  |
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TO THE KORE COMMUNITY: Concerning the potential Merger of ViorCoin and KoreCoin: Please speak up. This IS YOUR COIN and even if you have never posted and have a concern please either post it or PM it. I think that Kore users must to don't fear of this. Kore can take only benefits from this Merger. But anyway I like to know some ideas and thinkings. You may be correct. Asking the Community is the right thing to do...So I do it. |
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TO THE KORE COMMUNITY: Concerning the potential Merger of ViorCoin and KoreCoin: Please speak up. This IS YOUR COIN and even if you have never posted and have a concern please either post it or PM it. |
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TO THE VIOR COMMUNITY: Concerning the potential Merger of ViorCoin and KoreCoin: Please speak up. This IS YOUR COIN and even if you have never posted and have a concern please either post it or PM it. |
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As far as I can tell eurbids will be splitting the initial premine between the two based off there price at the time. If Kore is worth three times more, than you will get 3x more kore 3.0. Unfortunately this is very easy to manipulate at the time of exchange...
I have a feeling that we are all gonna feel burned in the early stages of this.
My advise, don't trade back and forth, it is way to easy for someone to flip a win to a loss when the game has such open ended parameters.
BC
I don't play around. Best way forward is heavy promotion a solid team for both coins even those who could work on both coins. BUT the Community should agree and both Devs should do hard work to make it as fair and rewarding as possible making arrangements for both to succeed whether together or they be kept separate. I do understand we all are protective and have/had hopes for our individual coins. Let's at least see what both Devs propose and see what ideas and suggestions can do for these prospective options. Whether separate or together. Someone should make a list of positive and negative points so they can be posted and ones can comment on them individually. Never know what suggestions may be proposed... |
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I think the best way forward is to merge viorcoin into Korecoin. I already reached out to Eurbids
Can we know a bit of details of these talks? As a shareholder I would be interested in knowing what I will get for my now pretty worthless VIOR coins, whether to sell them now, or wait till I get KORE coins (what exchange rate?) for example. Your way of handling things and communicating with the community leaves a lot of room for improvements, to say the least. Sure, when we close an agreement, the community will know about it. Kore and Vior will be managed like the same coin, if you want to buy some, take Kore or Vior it's absolute the same. They will have different rate an accord with a real value on the Kore 3.0 release. Perfect, once both coins are merged, I don't doubt that it will work fine. However, there are some delicate matters in the transition process, that make this whole process a bit uneasy, especially if there is no transparency involved. VIOR has bigger coinage than KORE: 4.5 million vs. 1.2 million coins (nearly 4:1 ratio), whereas if you take the current value of VIOR (500-800 satoshi) vs. KORE (8000 satoshi) it is even 10:1. How to make sure both communities will be fine with the takeover conditions? Thus, few questions from my side: - are you gonna increase the total number of coins available in KORE to be able to exchange the coins of VIOR bagholders? If no, where the coins for the exchange will come from? - what factors will be taken into account to decide VIOR to KORE exchange ratio? - who will handle the exchange to guarantee the transparency of the entire process, once it is decided it will happen? Ones are also concerned about wanting to see Vior a legitimate full fledged business and that requires transparancy unless something could be worked out. I know Bitcoincarpenter wanted that for Viorcoin. I also was thinking it would be a good prospect. Kore is about 1.7 million cons at the present time. Kore reached a high of nearly 40,000 satoshi Vior reached a high of about 15,000. |
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I think the best way forward is to merge viorcoin into Korecoin. I already reached out to Eurbids
Problem with merging coins is the amount of coins kore has is less than half of viorcoin. So it could dilute the value of the KoreCoin holders UNLESS a good community of professional graphics and some good marketing help for designing of a professional OP page, Website, help based videos and the like... We had a struggle on the Kore thread but had help from those kind enough to mainly donate their time and efforts. I and the Team would like to see a grown professional community so there needs to be an effort on the part of the Kore and Vior communities to do whatever promotions they could and get the word out. The growth and inclusion of professionals helping in these areas will free us up for what we really need to be doing. I could still work with those from the kore thread and possibly vior thread if they so desire. I'm an idea person... This is an exciting prospect and has real world competitive usage that has the potential if so desired of a first class business. Vior has a different flavor than Kore so though same in the same coin it seems to make sense to keep them on different paths. These are my beginning opinions. It's up to the Viorcoin and Korecon Devs to work out the details of what they think would be best for the two coins and their communities. When you decide the paths they should take and if you want to have us help we would gladly offer our services. Sincerely, MM |
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Wallet wont sync at all. Somebody have addnodes?
Thanks
mmmhhh my wallet runs perfectly... maybe you have to wait more... My wallet is staking well. Please support the Kore Network and stake some coins. The future looks bright.  Gotta wear shades even!  |
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Since the fcc claims to own all data transmission this will never be "unmonitored" the feds own the internet now. And soon they will own the blockchains
I suggest a compromise before we lose our mines
The Big Idea
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