Don't get lulled into a false impression of equivalencies between cryptos, merely because we have short term simularities (supposed synchronization) in performance - that happens sometimes, yet it does not necessarily play out on a longer scaler or even speak to some fundamental differences between them.

Yeah, right.  As if you have some kind of deep insight regarding "quality," and someone died and put you in charge?   


Nah, you have not put anyone on ignore when you chose to come off with your passive/aggressive attempts at patronizing.


Yeah, if you don't understand, and if you read out of context, then of course those kind of half-assed attempts are going to be annoying for you.




Let's not forget that BJA disappeared from the thread because he shorted himself into oblivion with his nonsensical big-blocker ranting posts..,. first selling a large portion at $280, then at $380 and then at $580.. , and constantly attempting to get others to follow his lead and to buy into his bitcoin is dead propaganda... so of course, he was going to be bothered by anyone who questioned his ongoing bullshit motives.

Could be, except when you have a series of post that seem to be spinning corrections as if they are inevitable and seem to be attempting to persuade folks to sell, so whether that is book talk or not, it comes off as book talk that is attempting to get folks to act. No?





I doubt that I am talking about you, because I don't know you from Adam.

Seems to me that I am talking about your series of posts, rather than you as a person.  I think that there is a difference, even though nuanced. 


 

Sure it is volatile, but relative to what?  Relative to traditional markets it is volatile, and relative to other cryptos, maybe not as much.



Sure sometimes we make mistakes - but we gotta address our own conduct rather than saying bitcoin caused it. 

Sometimes we do not know the direction of the market, so we just have to prepare for some level of unexpected, no?



It could be that I have been misled by some of your word choices.  Sure, there are always possibilities of retracement and possibilities that whales take advantage of momentum and sometimes even there can be considerable disagreements regarding how much of a retracement is possible, even though in the end, each of us is speculating regarding the degree of such and the likelihood.

So, yeah, if you are a fearful hodler then it is possible that i am misreading you.

As you may or may not recall from some of my previous posts, I tend to be overall bullish about bitcoin, yet I certainly am not bothered by inevitable dips because I am constantly buying on the way down.. so they are not a bad thing for me, and I am also frequently attempt to be neutral in terms of how I structure my buys and sells in such a way that I have feelings of profit no matter the price direction.  But even if that is the case, when posters seem to imply inevitable down or even seeming some kind of signal that HODLrs should be selling (instead of buying) after there has already been a significant correction, then sometimes I am bothered by that seemingly advice that goes the opposite of prudent BTC portfolio management.... for the most part.. .of course, from time to time, there can be exceptions too.



You are trying to teach through your posts?  Then maybe that could be part of the problem that I perceive (and react to) in some of your word choices in some of your more recent posts?



Sounds like you are taking some of the substance of my responses too personal.  In my recent posts involving you, I am referring to the conduct within the posts and my reading of the various posts from you that seemed to be thematic in a certain direction, and basedon on some of your response here, possibly could have been some misreading from me, too, possibly.  I doubt that I am specifically referring to your character or intending to refer to your character, unless your conduct is your character and you continue to dig in regarding these kinds of matters and continue on a pattern, then I might begin to refer to character rather than conduct.  At this time, I cannot really determine regarding your intentions, beyond that you seem like you want to battle a bit about somethings that seem to me as non-issue attempt to talk about character rather than substance.  Accordingly, if you believe that ignoring my posts is your best path forward, then that is your choice.

Oh?  Is that right?    So if there is a pattern of a poster (whether newbie or not) putting out random posts to attempt to inspire panic selling or talking their books, we should just tolerate that kind of ongoing nonsense and seeming trolling?

Sure, there are not enough hours in the day to call out all of the book talkers, but some of these folks, such as jojo69 - puts out these nonsubstantive posts that attempt to get folks to panic by suggesting that the price is inevitably going down or suggesting that hodlers should sell after the price had already substantially corrected - which nearly a sure-fired means of causing some folks to panic sell and possibly at the bottom or near the bottom.

I know, I know, I know.


Walls can be reverse indicators, but it surely is interesting to see how thin the order books are to the upside.

Accordingly, there are only 860 coins for sale on stamp until $4650. 

Yeah, I don't know what that means.. Looks like we could get to $4650 fairly easily - that is if there were any bullwhales that still have enough fiat in order to help us in that direction.

Help bullwhale, help!!!!!

Get us going... Are there enough folks to follow, or is everyone running out of money at this price?

For all practical purposes, he is dead.

Yeah, he has a white paper, and he has all kinds of ideas; however, since 2010 bitcoin has it's own governance and rule set and the resolution of many problems through core's decentralized system that allows anyone to contribute and to submit code for consideration.

You know that, too, but you are trying to be difficult, once again, with irrelevant technicalities about whether he really is not dead... who cares?.. right?  we got a system that is going, that be called bitcoin and segwit and various other developments in bitcoin, and ongoing attacks by bigblocker nutjobs who are working outside of bitcoin rules while claiming to be in touch with satoshi and in charge of the real bitcoin vision... .. those are attacks, they are not bitcoin, as you big blockers would like to assert.

That article is clear as fuck, Pumpy.  Thanks for that.  it gave me a opportunity to work on my chinese, especially the poetic aspects.   

Maybe you have to be signed into your BTC-e account to see the specific amounts for your account?

I have faith in BTC-e, but I was a little bothered by the way that they incorporated this.  I still have a considerable amount of respect and sympathy for their situation because I image that they are going through quite a lot of bullshit, right now, and they gotta figure out a way to minimize "runs on the bank."


My refund tab looked something like this substantively with some better formatting:


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
This page is made for an immediate return of funds for those who do not want to wait, or do not believe in us.
You can receive 55% of your funds immediately, without verification, provided by your consent to refuse to receive the other 45% of funds.

All funds will be returned in coins only. That is why if you had funds in fiat currencies (USD, RUR, EUR), first they will be converted into USD at the exchange rate of Central Bank of Russian Federation, after that USD will be converted into liquid coins(50% BTC, 25% LTC, 25% ETH) at the exchange rate of other cryptocurrency exchanges and returned to them.

After the return of funds following this procedure, your account will deleted forever, without a possibility to restore it. If you wish to continue working with us after relaunch, you would have to open a new account.

All funds will be returned during 72 hours.

Your funds:
USD: [Amount calculated and inserted by BTC-e and edited out by me (for posting purposes)]     USD
BTC:[Amount calculated and inserted by BTC-e and edited out by me (for posting purposes)]  BTC
BCH: [Amount calculated and inserted by BTC-e and edited out by me (for posting purposes)]  BCH
Minus 45%:
USD: [Amount calculated and inserted by BTC-e and edited out by me (for posting purposes)]  USD
BTC:[Amount calculated and inserted by BTC-e and edited out by me (for posting purposes)] BTC
BCH: [Amount calculated and inserted by BTC-e and edited out by me (for posting purposes)] BCH

Recount of fiat funds:
For USD:
BTC: [Amount calculated and inserted by BTC-e and edited out by me (for posting purposes)]  BTC
LTC: [Amount calculated and inserted by BTC-e and edited out by me (for posting purposes)]  LTC
ETH: [Amount calculated and inserted by BTC-e and edited out by me (for posting purposes)]  ETH


You receive a total amount of (55%):
BTC: [Amount calculated and inserted by BTC-e and edited out by me (for posting purposes)]  BTC
BCH: [Amount calculated and inserted by BTC-e and edited out by me (for posting purposes)]  BCH
LTC: [Amount calculated and inserted by BTC-e and edited out by me (for posting purposes)]  LTC
ETH: [Amount calculated and inserted by BTC-e and edited out by me (for posting purposes)]  ETH


Calculation was made according to the following exchange rate:
BTC/USD: 4045.2, LTC/USD: 63.301, ETH/USD: 277.74, USD/RUR: 57.87, EUR/USD: 1.18.

To return your funds please specify your wallets for the transactions:
[Amount calculated and inserted by BTC-e and edited out by me (for posting purposes)]  BTC to the address:   
[Amount calculated and inserted by BTC-e and edited out by me (for posting purposes)]  BCH to the address:   
[Amount calculated and inserted by BTC-e and edited out by me (for posting purposes)]  LTC to the address:   
[Amount calculated and inserted by BTC-e and edited out by me (for posting purposes)]  ETH to the address:   


To refuse payment by currency (donate), write "-" instead of the address. Средства по валютам, по которым не был указан адрес, выплачены не будут.


I confirm that I refuse to receive 45% of my funds voluntarily, to receive a fast return of 55% of my funds.
I will not have any claims and demand the return of 45% of my funds in future.
I was notified that I could receive 100% of my funds eventually and I decline this option voluntarily.
I am fully responsible for the accuracy of the addresses for the payout that I have provided. If I have provided an incorrect address, I understand that it will be impossible to return the funds sent to this address and I renounce them.
I agree with a recalculation of 55% of my balance and transferring fiat funds into cryptocurrencies, and I confirm that it is fair.
I agree that my account will be deleted without an option to restore it after the return of 55% of my funds.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

BJA was a gambling big blocker nutjob, who shorted himself into oblivion.  sold 1/3 of his stash in the $280s, and then the second 1/3 in the $380s  and the final 1/3 after bitfinex in the $580s proclaiming that BTC was never coming back, and then he never came back.. .Go figure how that works when you bet against bitcoin and you double down and leverage such propositions?   

Seems like they are acting like bullies from what I read on the withdrawal website, and that kind of surprised me.

I was already planning on leaving my funds with BTC-e, but now I feel like I am being bullied... 

hahahaha

stick?  what stick?  I had not noticed any stick.

And, you are nutso because you seem inclined to fail and refuse to comprehend context and now want to jump in as a kind of white knight to rescue newbie corporate shill trolls and to speculate about some kind of causation of a supposed demise of the WO thread!!!  

A demise of the WO thread that supposedly started in February-ish 2014?      oh my!!!!  oh my!!  The WO thread has been downhill since February 2014, peeps been scared away, and guess who caused it?  yours truely, supposedly.  

Not easy to take you very seriously with those kinds of personalized pettinesses, right?  

You come off as a bit bitter, no?   

I just read those refund terms, and that refund process and waiver is much more draconian than I had initially thought that it would be.  I did not realize that anyone requesting a refund had to request all of their 55% funds, and to waive their right to the other 45%...

BTC-e seems to be conducting themselves like bullies, here.  I had no intention to get my 55% refund, and I had planned to wait it out; however, now, I kind of feel like I am being bullied into a decision that I had already made.   

O.k.   So your reason for drama is to help out the "newcomers" to better understand the market movements of bitcoin?  A bit patronizing, no? 

Yeah, newcomers can look at charts, and yes, there are a lot of people who jump into something blindly, so are these "newcomers" gonna understand your drama for what it is?  A warning or you want to call it an "awarening"?

O.k... maybe I am too nice?   

You slob!!!!   

You like a little drama in your posts?

Seems as if you are exaggerating a bit.

Look, we were just  at these price points a week ago (which is a 15% correction), and it would not be unreasonable to have a 30% or more correction.  I have my doubts about a 50% correction, but sometimes, momentum has it's own effect, and sure as fuck, bitcoin likes to overshoot expectations, no?  We are not beyond overshooting, but there is no need to exaggerate and to act like there is some kind of doom and gloom going on in bitcoin at this time, and there seems to be considerable and ongoing buying support, at this level and at lower levels, if we go there. 


NO need to panic yet, boys and girl.

If you read the notice from Betcoin.ag, it appears that they are finishing this stage as a pay per post - which would be the same ongoing terms that were in place during the last several stages (or at least the same as the last stage, minimally), and they are transitioning to fixed rate participation for the next stage which goes from the 1st of the month, so we received about 3 weeks notice regarding their intended changes.

Ha.  Seems that you might be a bit late, Keithers. 

If you read one post up (that includes today's announcement from Betcoin.ag), it seems that Betcoin.ag is going forward to transition to another kind of campaign that goes into effect next month and only takes entrance of 30 of previous Legendary member participants.

 Surely, they have discretion to change their minds regarding number of participants and/or kinds of qualifications at any time, but for the time being it appears that they are not open to new participants - at least during this transitionary period.

Personally, I get the sense that this upwards explosion in bitcoin prices, including more than 10x price increases in the past two years, has been a bit challenging for a variety of signature campaigns to figure out and to tweak their campaigns and to attempt to make them manageable and profitable, too.

You seem to be conflating a couple of concepts.  ACH deposits take several days; however, there  are a large number of wire services that can go through in less than an hour.  I have done several wire transfers that cost me only $15 and the amount of the wire does not matter, and there are likely similar services for other people - possibly they charge more - but their speed can be quick for those paid-for services and well worth the amount of money, if the sender believes that s/he can profit grater than the amount of the fee.


You are again engaging in distraction here.  You certainly can have a lot of money and if your goal is to merely attempt to debilitate bitcoin, then you can spend a lot of money in such an attempt to buy and sell at a loss.  However if you don't want to lose money, then your options are going to be more difficult because sooner or later you are going to run out of coins.. sure, you may be one of the richest folks in the world, but even rich folks do not like to throw away money if it does not serve any purpose for them.

So, sometimes a lot of small buyers can overwhelm a group of whales because they run out of coins (that is if they keep selling them, sooner or later they will run out).

Looking back, I am thinking that May 2016 was a watershed moment, too... because at that time, when prices broke above $500, it became kind of clear that we were no longer in a bear market...