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2121  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Noob here, allow me to display my ignorance on: May 13, 2015, 03:03:54 PM
This should answer both your questions.  I fired it up on 1024 because 512 was not an option (nothing between 256 and 1024).  Not that it probably matters from what you are saying


You don't want to have the same pool in all three slots... you pick a primary (which I'm guessing you're going to use Eligius Tongue), then you pick a backup and another backup.  That way in case Eligius is unreachable, your miner isn't sitting there doing nothing.
2122  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [∞ YH] solo.ckpool.org 0.5% fee anonymous solo bitcoin mining! 45 blocks solved! on: May 13, 2015, 02:56:22 PM
I guess you did not read my reply. Remaining BTC is not something to rely on due to:
- each order can be cancelled at any time
- each order can be refilled at any time

This just causes confusion among many people thus it will be soon removed from public view (you will be able to view only remaining BTC of your orders).

Besides, NiceHashBot source is publicly available, anyone can modify it and adjust to own needs.
Actually, I did read your reply about remaining BTC.  I personally don't find it to be a confusing stat, but if you're going to remove it, then so be it.

To be honest, I haven't looked at the source code for the bot, I was just speculating with kano.  However, now that you've pointed it out, I'll take a look.  Thanks for that Smiley.

Dr Con Thanks very much and Thank you all for reply .

I'm not mining in ck pool I said Im on solo.nicehach which is using ck pool last update .

But my question is since one user made now 138 billion and didnt find a block since 20 days . Can newone join and solve a block at lower diff like 50 billion ?

plz chk   https://solo.nicehash.com/bitcoin/users.htm
I don't see where the problem is.  I see the user 15CCAo25iKBHDwx6PNGiXM8X8g3C9CSeZC found a share with difficulty 138,652,424,600.44.  Looking at the blockchain for that address, I see that address received the block reward for 353625.

Looks like everything is working as expected to me.
2123  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [∞ YH] solo.ckpool.org 0.5% fee anonymous solo bitcoin mining! 45 blocks solved! on: May 13, 2015, 01:46:41 PM
Sunday the 17th for another try.  I am busy the next few days so I can't babysit  the pc.

Hey, philipma1957, like kenshirothefist said a few posts back - why the heck aren't you using NiceHashBot? It will do the babysitting for you ... all you have to do is to run a simple app...

  That app is easier but it does have no ability to think 2 moves ahead.   Lets say you are at 0.0097 a th  with 500 th   and some one is at 0.0096 with 400th just under you.  Your max setting is 0.0100
Someone does a very small max order which does not last long puts it in for 0.0099  if I see this I think 2 moves ahead and do nothing  the small max order burns up  .  The bot sees this and moves my order to 0.0100   I am pretty much anti bot for this type of renting.  A lot of  people all using bots basically tends to drive the renting price upwards more then babysitting the site does.
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Hmm, a bot should be making sure you profit the best, not the pool.
I guess their bot programmer isn't very good or is happy to make the pool profit more.
I wonder which it is Tongue
My guess is the bot programmer wasn't thinking of scenarios like this.  Likely the bot just says, "give me a min/max range and I'll make sure that I maintain orders for you within that range".  It'd need to have a bit of intelligence to be able to say, "ok... somebody just outbid me, but that bid is going to burn through very quickly because he didn't put a whole lot of coin behind it, so I'll not bother getting into a bidding war with him and just let my current order ride it out."

Of course even then the bot would have to have some kind of parameter to limit that behavior, otherwise it could be that it would never move ahead if a number of small coin orders keep flowing in that are just above your rate...

Example:

You have 10BTC in an order and put a range of 0.0097 - 0.0101.
A bunch of people throw in 0.1BTC orders at 0.0100.

Wow... I'm way off topic Tongue

Congrats to the latest block finder!  Phil - I sent you a PM re: ck solo club episode 3.

200 billion should have got you a block, unless it became an orphan if I'm not mistaken.

What address are you mining to so we can have a look?

No, 200 billion is (currently) only 420% which has a CDF of 0.985 ...
which means 1.5% of the time it should average to take longer than 200 billion at the current difficulty.
I read it as he found a diff 200G share... such a share would indeed find a block and he'd get the reward unless the block was orphaned.
2124  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [∞ YH] solo.ckpool.org 0.5% fee anonymous solo bitcoin mining! 46 blocks solved! on: May 13, 2015, 01:29:39 PM
Mr Con
May I ask you
If one miner make 200 billion best share 200,000,000,000 and didn't discover a block , That mean block diff not in 0 to 200 billion ?

Or someone new join and made a 50 billion bestshare can solve ? Or he must do over 200 billion to solve it.



another question

Why bestshare can stuck for 20 days in pool 'stats without update ? ( using your ck pool  last update )

Is that bug or normal

solo.nicehach said they using ck pool and they don't know why my bestshare stuck.

Thanks very much



Best share updates when you find a share better than one you've previously submitted - or it resets when somebody finds a block.  If you happen to find a share of 200G, that will solve a block.  This does not mean the next person must find a share greater than 200G... he only needs to find a share that satisfies the network difficulty, which is currently 47G.
2125  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Skills to create a new coin on: May 12, 2015, 10:32:50 PM
What does it take to create a new coin? How many skills are involved?

I know wallets are usually written in C++, so I'm studying this language like crazy. Moreover I obviously study the block chain technology.
What else I need to be able to create a new coin? Which other skills?
Are you intending to create an entirely new algorithm or just use one of the existing ones like SHA-256, Scrypt, X11, etc?  If you want to create a new algorithm, then understanding cryptography in detail is an absolute must.  Honestly, while learning C++ will certainly help you to understand code that's already written, it won't help you to know how to create your own coin.  You need to understand peer to peer concepts, networking, threading, hashing, GUI, memory management, pointers, ... the list goes on.

If your intention is to simply mimic an existing coin by changing a few things here and there like block generation time, reward, etc, then that's a far easier task.  As was mentioned, there are already coin generators out there that do all the work for you.

By the way, there are wallets that aren't written in C++.  While the core software of the coin typically is, and the default wallet UIs of the coins are, there are other lightweight wallets written in other languages.  For example MultiBit is written in Java.
2126  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Bitcoin pools PAYOUT rates experiment (real miners, table/graph results) on: May 12, 2015, 10:20:31 PM
One week's worth of testing is way too soon to attempt to make conclusions, especially the first one you state.  There will be weeks where you get far over 100% of expected payouts on every one of your pools except for Discus Fish.  For your test on nicehash, are you just mining their pool, or are you including earnings you received from people renting your gear?  The reason I'm asking is because nicehash is a 3% fee PPS by itself.  It should be virtually identical (1% less) in earnings to f2pool... unless your gear is rented for more than what PPS would pay.

If you want, you can check out my long-running thread comparing OgNasty's NastyPoP payout to standard p2pool payouts here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=891298.0.  I've had S3s running the test since November of last year, and I update it every Friday.  You're welcome to use the data there and include it in your graphs and stats.
2127  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: 10PHs in 1 day vs 1PHs in 10 days on: May 12, 2015, 08:55:06 PM
I would say having a smaller amount for a longer period of time is better unless you like to gamble. The pool you use for that one day could be lucky or unlucky which would drastically affect your income and profit. Over a longer period of time the luck factor evens out.
This is incorrect.  The pool's luck has no bearing whatsoever on your ability to find blocks with your gear.  You might get unlucky and blocks you find are orphaned because of the pool, but the pool's luck is irrelevant.
2128  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Bitmain s4, s5, and spoondiles sp20. I need nonbiased reviews on: May 12, 2015, 07:37:57 PM
I  am looking at 3 miners Bitmain S5, and S4 as well as spoondiles SP20. The factors I am looking at are best energy use per GH/s and most reliable long term (I have heard there have been some issues with the bitmain S4's PSU but I haven't been able to validate that) The S5 and SP20 I really couldn't find any constant problems with. Noise isn't an issue for me. These miners will be ran in a storage unit that won't ever be over 70 degrees Fahrenheit. Could you help me find the information I need?  Thank you!
Chris Haefner
LOL... looks like the guy I was going to have you contact has already replied Smiley.

If you're looking to buy new, your choices are exceptionally limited... you can only get the S5.  If you've got 205V+ power, you can also purchase an S4+.  If you're willing to purchased used gear, then your options open up a bit.  You can take a look at the SP3X series by SP-Tech.

S5 and SP20 require external power supplies, so that needs to be factored into your purchase decision.  Also... a storage unit?  You've got reliable internet connection and electrical service in a storage unit?  I must be thinking of something different than you are here, because I keep envisioning that show "Storage Wars"...
2129  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Did you earn some bitcoin today? on: May 12, 2015, 06:46:30 PM
What is your Earning from the cloud mining contracts? Hourly?

Im earning good money from my Sig campaigns. And some time do use to play on some gambling sites, some time I won Some BTC from the gambling and some time i lost. My overall earning is in profit from the gambling.
Some pay daily.  Some pay weekly.  Some pay every time a block is found.
2130  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Did you earn some bitcoin today? on: May 12, 2015, 06:07:36 PM
Did you earn some bitcoin today? If so, how did you do it? BTC
I earn BTC every day.  I have my own hardware mining that I rent out.  I have multiple cloud mining contracts.  All told I have about 10TH/s mining.  I have a signature campaign that pays me every week.  I also have a few alt-coins that I play around with, trading on exchanges.  I'm relatively diversified, I guess Smiley.
2131  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [∞ YH] solo.ckpool.org 0.5% fee anonymous solo bitcoin mining! 45 blocks solved! on: May 12, 2015, 05:30:36 PM
teams odds are 1:8 to hit?
A bit better than that... assuming 500TH/s for 24 hours, it's about 1:4.7
2132  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: 10PHs in 1 day vs 1PHs in 10 days on: May 12, 2015, 03:44:43 PM
Speculation over rental prices, pool luck, etc really has no bearing on the question.  Generating 10PH/s in 24 hours, or that same 10PH/s over 240 hours ends up giving you the same number of hashes, and therefore the same number of chances of finding a block.

At the current difficulty, you'd expect to find a block every 5.684 hours with 10PH/s.
At the current difficulty, you'd expect to find a block every 56.84 hours with 1PH/s.

Whichever way you slice it, at the end of the hashing period, you'd expect to find 4.22 blocks, given the difficulty remains the same.

in a perfect world with 0 variables  beyond 10 vs 1 you are correct.

I suspect there will always be variables.  which will make one better then the other.

I just did 100th for 7 days = zip 6 btc put in

I am doing 500th for 1 day =?  4.5 btc put in


@ notlist in a world of many variables that can go wrong or right ie the real world I agree with you

but if you say no to any outside variables  and just  10 x 1 vs 1 x 10

 both = 10


There are certainly variables that come into play in the real world.  Pool rejecting shares, pool down, hardware failure, software failure, malicious code that prevents block finds being submitted, stratum redirect attacks, DDoS attacks, etc.  All of which will have an effect on your hash rate and the blocks you do/do not find.

Heck, we all see the real-world statistics... in fact the vast majority of us have at one point or another talked about a pool's luck... complaining when it's bad and rejoicing when it's good.

If we look at the pure statistics, your 100TH/s rental for 7 days didn't stand a chance, since at the current difficulty, that 100TH/s would expect to find a block only after 23.6 days.  Yet, I jumped onboard that ship and hoped it might hit pay dirt.  We might have gotten lucky.  We saw a miner do exactly that... hitting 5 blocks in a timeframe in which he should have maybe hit 1.
2133  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: 10PHs in 1 day vs 1PHs in 10 days on: May 12, 2015, 02:59:48 PM
Speculation over rental prices, pool luck, etc really has no bearing on the question.  Generating 10PH/s in 24 hours, or that same 10PH/s over 240 hours ends up giving you the same number of hashes, and therefore the same number of chances of finding a block.

At the current difficulty, you'd expect to find a block every 5.684 hours with 10PH/s.
At the current difficulty, you'd expect to find a block every 56.84 hours with 1PH/s.

Whichever way you slice it, at the end of the hashing period, you'd expect to find 4.22 blocks, given the difficulty remains the same.
2134  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Antminer or PSU issue? on: May 12, 2015, 02:28:28 PM
The PSU you purchased stated it was rated "Bronze", meaning that it is lower quality than of a "Gold" PSU. When mining, especially 24/7 you will most likely need a "Gold" rated PSU, the cheaper ones tend to overheat, not be able to keep up with the constant demand of power, and puts you at a small risk of a fire.
The ratings on a PSU are just about efficiency of conversion.  The better the rating (bronze, silver, gold, platinum), the more efficient the PSU is in converting the AC power from the wall to DC power to provide to your gear.  You can have a gold rated PSU with crap components, just as you can have a bronze rated PSU with stellar ones.

Rosewill PSUs are newegg's house brand and are generally pretty decent.
2135  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [Official] Mintsy.co Thread **SHA contracts 150% more hash same price!!! RETRO** on: May 11, 2015, 06:16:05 PM
My experience thus far with Mintsy has been twofold: a purchased SHA256 mining contract (1TH/s for 90 days) and pointing my own hardware here.

First, here is the good news.  The mining contract which I purchased was given a boost to 2.5TH/s and extended.  This was an unexpected surprise and I'm very thankful for it.  I've actually got a relatively decent chance to come out positive now.

The UI is easy to navigate and you can switch coins at will.  If you've got a cryptsy account, you can hook it up directly using your trade key.  Any alt coins you mine get paid out to your cryptsy wallets automatically.  Bitcoin mining payouts are a manual process.  Stats are plentiful, too.  You can look at your average hash rate, see found blocks, pool hash rate, expected time to block, etc.

On the hardware side, I've had issues aplenty.  Since the pool is also listed in the alt coin service announcements, that's where I first reported my problems.  You can see my posts at this link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=786492.msg11256333#msg11256333.

My main concern is that when my gear is pointed to this pool via MRR, it fails.  Even though I've got the latest version of cgminer with the nicehash #xnonce patch as required, it simply does not connect from MRR.  Workers are constantly restarting or refusing to hash and fall back to secondary pools.  When I connect my gear directly to the pool, things work as expected.

I have not attempted to connect to and mine external pools with either my contracted hash or my own gear, so I don't have any comment on others' experiences doing so.

Huh... I wonder if I could setup an infinite loop.  Here's the scenario:

I setup an external pool here for MRR.  On MRR, I setup my primary pool to point back here.  So, I'd be telling Mintsy to mine on MRR and MRR would say to mine on Mintsy.  I might try that for fun after my gear's current rental ends (assuming it's not immediately rented again).

That makes me think of another scenario.  If a purchased contract can be pointed to an external pool, could that pool be MRR?  I'd be able to rent my contract out on MRR.  Another thing I might try.
2136  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S4+ Discussion and Support Thread on: May 11, 2015, 04:39:08 PM
If you have no insulation I would not run a miner for anything.   I live in a farm house over 100 years old, it has went through a few redoing of electricity wiring to make it safe.   There have been at least 2 huge jobs or 3 depending on if you count when a new addition was added.

You can get a receptacle tester to will show some common wiring problems: http://www.amazon.com/GE-3-Wire-Receptacle-Tester-50542/dp/B002LZTKIA/  If you don't pass this I would not mine.

I won't get anymore off topic if you don't know your wiring and are on 110 hire a electrician to be safe when dealing with amount of watts such as S4+.  As it was designed for 220/240 and that assumes proper wiring.
To keep it on topic, the S4+ won't even power up on 110V, so the entire discussion is pretty much rendered useless Wink.  You need to throw these onto a 240V circuit, which as I mentioned earlier in the thread pretty much eliminates the vast majority of typical US households... unless you convince your better half to allow you to throw out the electric dryer and range in lieu of mining equipment Tongue

Or have an additional dedicated mining circuit wired up, which a lot of people do.
Yes, anybody who is going to dedicate themselves to mining is going to wire up service exclusively for it... and anybody with half a brain is not going to wire up 120V for the purpose Smiley.  My point, which has remained consistent, is that the S4+ is not a "home" miner, like every other Bitmain product has been - at least for homes using 100V to 120V power (like the US, Canada, Japan, etc).
2137  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Can mining power be compaired to rate of blocks found? on: May 11, 2015, 04:23:53 PM
By design, the chances of solving a block are proportional to your hash power. So if you are contributing 1/5 of the total hash power, you solve around 1/5 of the blocks. There is no way to directly measure the hash power of all the miners. It is currently done indirectly by measuring the time between blocks.

The famous 10 minutes, who on average always had been smaller then 10 minutes except in times of shrinking difficulty. Currently a hot toppic if those 10 are to long. The real number like 9.87654something would interest me.
Just like Neo found out in the Matrix... there is no spoon.

The network has no concept of hash rate.  All it knows is that at timestamp A, block X was solved and at timestamp B, block Y was solved.  It calculates the hash rate based on that timespan and network difficulty.  Every 2016 blocks, the network evaluates how it did.  The way it does this is again independent of hash rate.  It simply says, "What would the network difficulty have needed to be to make the previous 2016 blocks take 14 days?  Adjust network difficulty to that value."

The key point to this is that the network hash rate is interpolated based upon how long it takes to solve blocks and the target difficulty for those block solutions.
2138  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S4+ Discussion and Support Thread on: May 11, 2015, 03:35:05 PM
If you have no insulation I would not run a miner for anything.   I live in a farm house over 100 years old, it has went through a few redoing of electricity wiring to make it safe.   There have been at least 2 huge jobs or 3 depending on if you count when a new addition was added.

You can get a receptacle tester to will show some common wiring problems: http://www.amazon.com/GE-3-Wire-Receptacle-Tester-50542/dp/B002LZTKIA/  If you don't pass this I would not mine.

I won't get anymore off topic if you don't know your wiring and are on 110 hire a electrician to be safe when dealing with amount of watts such as S4+.  As it was designed for 220/240 and that assumes proper wiring.
To keep it on topic, the S4+ won't even power up on 110V, so the entire discussion is pretty much rendered useless Wink.  You need to throw these onto a 240V circuit, which as I mentioned earlier in the thread pretty much eliminates the vast majority of typical US households... unless you convince your better half to allow you to throw out the electric dryer and range in lieu of mining equipment Tongue
2139  Other / Meta / Re: What day of the week does the new activity period start? on: May 11, 2015, 01:58:40 PM
Why care about an activity rating, a forum is for discussion, not a score competition. Just be active and your activity will grow. Be patient and please just post for contribution to the forum, not for your activity score.
Because they don't understand the way the scoring system works, newbies spam in hopes of getting their rating up and/or they've joined some newbie signature campaign and think they can earn a fortune by blasting the boards.

What the system really boils down to is this: at some point your post count MUST be equal to or greater than your time score to earn the highest possible forum rank.

Examples:

User 1 posts 1 post every 2 weeks.  He joined 2 years ago.  He has a potential activity score of 728.  His actual score is 52.
User 2 posts 14 posts every 2 weeks.  He joined 2 years ago.  He has a potential activity score of 728.  His actual score is also 728.
User 3 posts 100 posts every 2 weeks.  He joined 2 years ago.  He has a potential activity score of 728.  His actual score is also 728.
User 4 makes 1 post today.  He joined 2 years ago.  He has a potential activity score of 14.  His actual score is 1.
2140  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Severe weather on: May 11, 2015, 01:44:34 PM
Why don't you just place the miner above the ground? So it will free from any Severe Weather.


With the miners in the shelter area, I don't hear them and I can manage power and air flow to them better.  Also if a tornado does rip my home from its foundation, my family and my miners will be the only thing to survive.
LOL... I bet your wife and kids are happy there's still a place left for them.  Sorry kids, but daddy bought some new miners... you're just going to have to tough it out up here. Tongue
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