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2161  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9 BTC bounty! 13 GH/s] Ars Technica community mining pool, everyone welcome! on: June 21, 2011, 03:09:47 AM
Erm, about your header image,any chance of shrinking it by a few meters?

Hehe, fine!  Is that better?   Cheesy

Much, thanks.
2162  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [5 BTC BONUS] NoFeeMining.com Pool (Web 2.0, LP, SSL, Idle Alerts) NO FEES on: June 21, 2011, 01:44:20 AM
Could you display the total round shares in the stats?
2163  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9 BTC bounty! 13 GH/s] Ars Technica community mining pool, everyone welcome! on: June 20, 2011, 11:01:12 PM
Erm, about your header image,any chance of shrinking it by a few meters?
2164  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Attention: mining pool operators on: June 19, 2011, 07:15:21 PM
Have you left any polls and contacted the operator (email, irc, pm, etc) to send you the remaining balance in your account. I know several that will do this. Roll Eyes

No, but I'm not leaving any at the moment. I'd just like to know where things stand regarding the issue.
2165  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Do Pools Generally Keep The "Generated Fees" Associated With Each Block? on: June 19, 2011, 06:22:21 PM
Yes.

I guess this is because

1) Getting the value of the transaction is harder than just setting it to 50BTC.
2) Pools aren't trivial to run, and they deserve some benefits.

I'm running a trial on my pool where we pay out the fees on the block as well as the 50BTC, but I don't know how sustainable it is in the long term.

A lot of pools only payout up to 2 decimal places. If a user leaves your pool, can they withdraw all 8 decimal places of their BTC?
2166  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [5+ BTC bounty for new pool!]Ars Technica community mining pool, anyone welcome! on: June 19, 2011, 05:57:38 PM
I tried. It let me sign up but it wont let me sign in.

I see your account in the database.  Login is case sensitive, so make sure you use the right case on user/pass.  Your username is all lowercase.  Haven't seen others with an issue.  Try creating another account if you can't get this one to work perhaps?

Here's the weird thing. When I try to log in with the right username it will say the password is wrong. If I use a wrong username it will say that it doesn't exist. Now, if I use the right username again and click "Lost Password" it says the username doesn't exit.

I think it might of said something about sending an email, which I never recieved. Should I have got an email?
2167  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Attention: mining pool operators on: June 19, 2011, 05:46:44 PM
Sure, the leftover's go back into your account but what happens when you want to leave the pool? If you can't withdraw that money then it is stealing.

I'm a developer myself, so don't come across all high and mighty, pretending you speak for all of us because you don't. That's completely irrelevant to the mining pools stealing our change though, and I would like to know their official stance on this issue. I don't care in the slightest if it hurts your feelings, this info needs to be public knowledge. It should be on their website.

I should have known better than to feed the troll.  Nevermind.

Yes, wanting to know what happens when you leave a mining pool and try to withdraw 0.00999999 BTC obviously make me a troll. If the pools don't allow you to withdraw all your BTC, then that could legally be classified as theft. Would you put up with a bank that refused to hand over every last penny from your account, or would you be calling for their heads? This situation is no different and could cause the pools some legal headaches if they don't sort it out.

Let's just ignore this though because I'm so obviously a troll.
2168  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [5+ BTC bounty for new pool!]Ars Technica community mining pool, anyone welcome! on: June 19, 2011, 03:00:42 PM
Up to 3.6 g/hash Smiley could use some more!

I tried. It let me sign up but it wont let me sign in.



2169  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Attention: mining pool operators on: June 19, 2011, 02:43:14 PM
When pools pay to only 2 decimal places, they don't keep the rest.  It stays in your balance.

You earn 0.015 today and get paid 0.01 with 0.005 left behind.

You earn 0.015 tomorrow and now have 0.02 balance and get the entire 0.02 payout.

That isn't stealing.

As has been made clear in many past forum threads, this is done because a not too distant version of the bitcoin client had a bug where any value after 2 decimal places was lost when you sent out a transaction.  There are still thousands of people using those versions (feel free to start a thread calling them idiots for not upgrading), and so pools are behaving this way to help protect their users.

Sure, it would be nice if pools did the required development to have an optional full precision payout.  As a developer myself, though not of of pool software, I can tell you that we respond better to polite requests than we do to accusations of being thieves.

Sure, the leftover's go back into your account but what happens when you want to leave the pool? If you can't withdraw that money then it is stealing.

I'm a developer myself, so don't come across all high and mighty, pretending you speak for all of us because you don't. That's completely irrelevant to the mining pools stealing our change though, and I would like to know their official stance on this issue. I don't care in the slightest if it hurts your feelings, this info needs to be public knowledge. It should be on their website.
2170  Bitcoin / Pools / Attention: mining pool operators on: June 19, 2011, 01:00:17 PM
Do you payout to a full 8 decimal places? If not, then you're basically stealing from us. There are too many mining pools to ask you guys individually so could you use this thread to explain your policy to us regarding this issue?
2171  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Is it just my imagination or are the mining pools stealing from us? on: June 19, 2011, 12:45:38 PM
I mine at bitcoinpool, they dont take any fees and payout to the 8 places.  They are funding themselves through donations.


I haven't tried them yet. I'll give them a go after someone finds the first blocks on certain pools.
2172  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Is it just my imagination or are the mining pools stealing from us? on: June 19, 2011, 12:44:02 PM
Most pools also take the block's fees for themselves, in order to keep the pool running.

I'm not really bothered about the block fees as I never had them to begin with. If they're not paying out all 8 decimals though, that's just plain theft.
2173  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Is it just my imagination or are the mining pools stealing from us? on: June 19, 2011, 12:22:00 PM
If I remember correctly Eligius pays full 8 decimal out. Remains are send after 1 week inactivity.


Maybe, they're all like that. It'd be good to get some official comfirmation though.
2174  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Introduce yourself :) on: June 19, 2011, 11:33:40 AM
Some people call me Mabsark, others call me "The Brain". My plan to take over the world shall not fail this time, Pinky.
2175  Other / Beginners & Help / Is it just my imagination or are the mining pools stealing from us? on: June 19, 2011, 11:23:55 AM
I'm a member of a few mining pools and none of them payout all 8 decimal places of your bitcoins. The ones I'm with only payout up to 2 decimal places. So, if you leave the mining pool and can't withdraw all 8 decimal places, does the mining pool get to keep them? BTC has 7,638 members. Imagine if BTC Guild kept all the "change" from these members, that'd be a tidy sum they just made.

Basically, if a mining pool does not payout all 8 decimal places, they're stealing from us.
2176  Economy / Scam Accusations / Bitcoin Street Faucet on: May 27, 2011, 06:21:34 PM
These guys didn't pay out. They sent me an advert, they said they'd send me 0.02 BTC, but they didn't. There website offers no contact methods. The website is listed on the bitcoin site, and they're not paying up.
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