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2161  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-02-12] IMF Christine Lagarde: Cryptocurrency Regulation is `Inevitable` on: February 14, 2018, 09:37:49 AM
In order for the crypto currency to continue to develop, its regulation by the state is indeed inevitable. Legal entities will not be able to make settlements in the crypto currency if they are not given the appropriate permission from the tax authorities.

According to this logic, every Bitcoin exchange or other BTC accepting business in the whole world, except Japan, is operating illegally. There are many 100's of exchanges and many 1000's of businesses accepting BTC worldwide. You don't understand how the law works.
2162  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-02-13] Is regulation the end of crypto? on: February 13, 2018, 11:31:11 PM
exchanges couldn't just run away (exit scam)

Why not?

Theft is illegal already. No legal system is going to work efficiently if laws are written in a way that every new invention needs every old legal concept re-written completely from scratch.




The point of all this is that politicians are floundering. In the late 20th century, electronic banking (and the demonetisation of gold) made it far simpler to track taxable money flows. Bitcoin suddenly makes that task almost as difficult as it was before, and it's only going to get more difficult for them as cryptocurrencies continue to evolve.

There was a golden age for music and movie industries in the 20th century too: the tech was only good enough that the only way to manufacture copies of the recordings was either too difficult or too expensive for regular people to do themselves.

In 100 short years that all changed, very few people respect so-called "copyright", and musicians and movie studios are gradually beginning to accept that their golden age is over (I'm surprised movie makers are still releasing movies on home media so quick after the theater runs).

Politicians are going to be way more less likely to let go, but the facts are undeniable: before, taxable incomes could always be found. Before, taxable incomes could always be taken by force. Not any more. I don't know what kind of regulations anyone realistically expects to change things back how they were.

I'm cool with paying for stuff I use, or subsidising things that are for the greater good. But the power Bitcoin gives the people over politicians is a change for democratic good, and should be presented as such. If I didn't want to pay for war, corruption, or propaganda, I previously had no choice. Now, we all do.


Bitcoin is the regulation. And that's what the politicians don't like.
2163  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Message about Roger Ver found in debug log on: February 13, 2018, 11:28:08 AM
That's from another Bitcoin node on the network.


Starting Bitcoin (bitcoind or Bitcoin-Qt) with -uacomment=<any_message_the_user_chooses_to_write> will (you guessed it) append any message the user chooses to write to the version string advertised to other connecting nodes on the Bitcoin network.

i.e. someone else wrote some graffiti in their version string, and you can do that too if you want to have a less anonymous node
2164  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Whether Schnorr is becoming a big deal for bitcoin? on: February 12, 2018, 08:31:46 PM
Schnorr sigs will be a big deal. Work is set to start this year, but as OmegaStarscream states, that could mean we're looking at sometime around 2020 till Schnorr sigs are activated on the network (it can apparently be achieved by a soft fork).

It might be an exaggeration to say Schnorr solves the scaling problem, but it will certainly help alot (supposedly 25-30% extra space will be made available on-chain*). Privacy will improve for certain transactions too.


* proponents of on-chain scaling will, of course, be against Schnorr sigs for some invented non-reasons


Bitcoin's already facing too much challenges making it lose its market dominance. Last time bitcoin hit all-time-high it was practically unusable and people moved to litecoin and ethereum to carry out transactions.

I wouldn't worry too much, Lightning will make a very large difference to the transaction capacity long before that. It's important to remember that Bitcoin's market position is mostly driven by real demand, not so easily said for most other cryptocurrencies. Also important to remember that Bitcoin is the leader because of it's the most highly used cryptocurrency network, and it has the engineering quality needed to support that level of use.
2165  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-02-12] IMF Christine Lagarde: Cryptocurrency Regulation is `Inevitable` on: February 12, 2018, 07:53:43 PM
Lagarde also joined in on the rhetoric that cryptocurrencies are largely utilized by criminals, claiming at the World Government Summit in Dubai on Sunday that “there is probably quite a bit of dark activity [in cryptocurrencies].” Thus, it is her belief that Bitcoin regulation should be focused less on individual or collective entities and more on fraudulent or criminal activities.

Right, so nothing's changed. At all.

If the big plan of the IMF (and it's monetary system crooked cohorts) is to create rules for criminal acts using Bitcoin, then this "news" is no less than an admission of their failure to come up with anything at all. Criminals don't care about breaking laws and immoral behaviour ALREADY, announcements like this are about as terrifying as those announcements that banks will be fined for breaking laws.


There's nothing that the so-called authorities can really do, other than accept that Bitcoin is a higher authority than they are.
2166  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-02-12]The 65 Percent Price Dip Has Made ‘Bitcoin Whales’ A lot More BTC on: February 12, 2018, 04:28:00 PM
This is unfair for some because they get affected as well by their actions whenever they make a dump.

It is not unfair, open marketplaces are not unfair. The alternative is to have all prices heavily manipulated by non-meritocratic means, as they are in the established financial markets and government subsidy system. The difference is that anyone can use their knowledge of market dynamics to accumulate profits from an open market like Bitcoin, whereas only people who suck up to those well positioned in the established market places can become market makers (i.e.whales) themselves.

This system has shielded regular people from real markets for so long that most regular people have no clue how to react to market signals in this so-called capitalist world. If all Bitcoin investors rigidly stuck to the basic sensible trading advice just on this page, there wouldn't be such a wild swings in the BTC price. It's going to be a long hard road out of this centralised price-setting paradigm that is, to all intents and purposes, little different to the communist model. All regular people got a real-time education in market behaviour for 1000's of years prior to the 20th century, when the governments of the world turned price setting into a closed shop for them and their cronies to "protect" regular people from being able to profit from market movements.
2167  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-02-12]The 65 Percent Price Dip Has Made ‘Bitcoin Whales’ A lot More BTC on: February 12, 2018, 11:14:16 AM
So this is the right time to buy some bitcoins?

SOME, yes.

The price could drop from here, not even the whales know accurately what will happen. The trick is to take obvious opportunities while they're there, but not to assume they're the only opportunities. Buy A LITTLE (i.e. don't spend your whole budget) when prices SEEM low, then wait. Sell A LITTLE when prices SEEM high, then wait. Repeat until winning.
2168  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-02-10] Japanese Crypto Investors To Pay Tax Of Up To 55 Percent On Profits on: February 12, 2018, 10:46:50 AM
I consider these tax rates to be a legal form of theft from the side of the government

If government services were so amazing, people would pay without being physically threatened. It's a protection racket.
2169  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-02-10] JPMorgan: Bitcoin Must Evolve, Blockchain’s Not a Threat on: February 11, 2018, 09:51:15 PM
I would say and cryptocurrencies have issues.

The big issue, he says, surrounds know-your-customer (KYC) and anti-money laundering (AML) rules.

Everyone I talk to in the banking industry, regulators, central banks — everyone sees the potential. But everyone is trying to fundamentally grapple with the issues. I wouldn’t say crypto is bad, but I think crypto needs some evolution


These people are too used to being able to talk shit in order to get around a difficult situation.


Too bad. The evolution's already happened, and no amount of talking is going to change what Bitcoin fundamentally is. All the "legal" privileges banks had can now be enjoyed by regular people. I have a branch of the International Bank of Bitcoin at my place, as do all other Bitcoiners.

So keep talking, banksters. Everything they've known is set to be flushed away, I'm not surprised they're not coping well.
2170  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Difference between SegWit addresses on: February 11, 2018, 09:35:42 PM
It's only the bc1 addresses that won't work backwards compatibly, and that's kind of irrelevant seeing as there aren't many wallets that use bc1 addresses.

Best advice is to use nested 3-starting addresses for Segwit now, because they're completely backwards compatible for all services and wallets. So there's no need to wait for others to wait to update, you can use Segwit now backwards compatibly.

You seem to confuse the meaning of backwards compatibility.
Bech32 addresses are backwards compatible.
This means:
- Transactions between legacy and bech32 addresses are compatible.
- "Old" nodes do "understand" those transactions from/to bech32 addresses
- There aren't any (network-)problems with bech32.

Wallets/Exchanges/Online service provider not accepting bech32 yet is due to not upgraded software (non-network related).
This has nothing to do with backwards compatibility. They just didn't update the software to accept those addresses.

Older software will refuse to send to bc1 addresses, as a basic error-checking measure.


I heard that coinbase, an exchange that I use when I need to cash out some coins, is finally going to update to segwit. I have no idea what type of addresses they will be using. But since they are updating to segwit, does this mean that even if they use the P2SH I will be able to make transfer to them if I use the bech32 addresses from electrum?

You can send from P2SH segwit or bech32/bc1 addresses now. It's sending to segwit addresses from non-upgraded exchanges that's the issue.
2171  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Difference between SegWit addresses on: February 11, 2018, 04:02:28 PM
Ok, I got it. I thought that was strange as well, since segwit came out of a soft fork, so I actually expected that the "old addresses" would still be compatible with the segwit ones, but I then heard things about those compatibility issues, and I wasn't fully understanding them.

Nested Segwit (starting 3) will work anywhere, all wallet software understands it. It's only the bc1 addresses that won't work backwards compatibly, and that's kind of irrelevant seeing as there aren't many wallets that use bc1 addresses. So it's all software related, so we just need to wait for wallets to be updated.

Best advice is to use nested 3-starting addresses for Segwit now, because they're completely backwards compatible for all services and wallets. So there's no need to wait for others to wait to update, you can use Segwit now backwards compatibly.


I heard that the new version of Bitcoin Core wallet due to complete by May 1, should help solving these "problems".

No, Bitcoin Core 0.16 will be available something like next week, I would guess. It's the Segwit wallet release, and has been expedited a little.
2172  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Question about MAST/Merkelized Abstract Syntax Trees on: February 10, 2018, 10:52:09 PM
1. Will MAST allow complex Smart Contract or still only can use P2SH ?

I'm pretty sure MAST only permits a limited amount of extra complexity using the existing op-codes.


2. Since MAST can increase user privacy, i wonder if MAST also can increase privacy when user use LN (especially some users have concern if they let user use connect to other users through their channel and turned out it's criminal acitivity)?

MAST only increases privacy in specific circumstances; if a script has branches (e.g. when a threshold of signers is less than the total possible, 2 of 3 for instance), then only the branch that is satisfied ends up published on the blockchain when using MAST (e.g. if person 1 & 2 sign a transaction, person 3's pubkey isn't disclosed at all as a part of the transaction). With current scripting, all branches of a script are published when the script is spent from. This can make MAST transactions smaller than regular P2SH.

I don't think this will change LN privacy properties, it's already a private system in any case. I don't think it could make channel open/close transactions smaller, as they're always 2 of 2, but there's maybe some subtlety I've not picked up on.


3. GitHub page mentioned MAST will be soft fork, but i wonder how will the backward compatibility works, is it similar with backward compatibility that SegWit use?

There are no deployment implementations that I'm aware of, but any soft-fork is likely to get deployed using version bits (which Segwit was).
2173  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-02-09] Thai Government Cannot Stop Crypto Use – Regulatory Framework exp.. on: February 09, 2018, 08:15:07 PM
At least we have a country finally admitting that crypto can't be stopped and that regulations are the only way of maintaining at least some sort of control

Ok, there's very little they can do about decentralised computer tech, that's right


I am however a major supporter of governments implementing very HARSH restrictions when it comes to ICO's. It may not be what some people want to hear, but ICO's are the shithole part of this market, and that needs to be eliminated entirely, or regulated in such a way, that utter scammers won't be able to host ICO's as easily as they are allowed to do so right now.

But there's also very little that can be done, because ultimately, ICOs are also decentralised computer tech.


You are already doing the right thing without suggesting intervention of the (former) authorities, though: calling ICO scammers out. When the previous authorities can't do anything, we can only warn people.

This is symptomatic of powerful peer-to-peer (i.e. decentralised) tech. The tech is so powerful, that centralised methods cannot control it. This is great when someone with good intentions creates such tech, individuals are empowered. But those with bad intentions can similarly use the nature of p2p tech to manipulate people.

The only way to mitigate problems caused by peer-to-peer tech is therefore also peer-to peer. The financial press are supported by financial industry advertising, and so cannot afford to do anything except use ICOs as a stick with which to beat the well-intentioned cryptocurrencies availaible.
2174  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Lightning Network & bigger amounts? on: February 08, 2018, 04:03:29 PM
Lets say Bitcoin goes mainstream and 1000's of people wants to send say 100 bitcoins from point A to B... {Most channels are

funded with much smaller amounts, right?} Now these people are limited to the channels that are funded with 100 bitcoins or

more... right?

Currently, channels are limited to 0.16777216 BTC, and individual transactions can be no more than 0.04194304 BTC. These are safety limits, and may be changed (or possibly removed) in future


In the end, only large payment hubs with large amounts of coins would be available for them to use? Is this

why the Lightning Network is more effective for micro transactions and less affective for large transactions? I know you can

still make on-chain payments, but this would defeat the purpose... right?

Atomic Multi Path (AMP) would be another option (a set of options really).

Instead of only sending via 1 channel, a Lightning node can send via multiple channels to a single recipient. This additional protocol is only at the discussions stage right now, though.
2175  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Fork wars are déjà vu on: February 07, 2018, 04:28:11 PM
we could say Ubuntu is the real Debian or Lubuntu is the real Debian as well. And why not to say Opera browser is the real Chromium project.
Or using the Money as a comparison, it is legitime to say the EUR currency is the real US Dollar.

Bitcoin Cash die-hard: "Homo-sapiens is the original hominid species, they all forked from us!!! Angry"

Cheesy

Seems just like any shady IPO, listed on the OTC exchange, whereas regulation is minimal and audits are almost non-existent and can easily be fudged. These guys hoped to capitalize on that concept, as do what seems some of these alt-coins are hoping to accomplish?... and because of the lack of regulation, it's harder for us to distinguish these malevolent acts until someones lost money and the threads start appearing, and by then, it's usually a little too late...

Bitcoin & cryptocurrencies are a self-regulating meritocracy: there's no reason to prefer Bitcoin for ideological or group-think/"home team"/latest fashion reasons.

Using Bitcoin enables and strengthens your economic & monetary rights directly, without the need to resort to the classical government model of protecting rights (which is essentially no more than a benevolent protection racket). There's no need to pay tithes to government goons to protect your interests, the Bitcoin network (and it's underlying software design) protects your money instead. Governments and banks are not big fans of this model of rights (and neither are the so-called liberal media).
2176  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Fork wars are déjà vu on: February 06, 2018, 10:06:38 PM
Quote
Bcash marketing strategy:
-confuse people into thinking they are the real bitcoin.

It's easy to dismiss the "not a coup" assessments on this basis.



Both BCash and Segwit2x claimed to be "The Real Bitcoin". There was an attempt by both forks to get the ticker symbol (BTC) appropriated by their respective projects, including a point in late 2017 where Coinbase Inc. (which was heavily in favour of Segwit2x) were set to change the ticker symbol on their exchange. The marketing of Bitcoin Cash has continued to make the "real Bitcoin" claim since the demise of the Segwit2x fork.


There is no need to use such highly psychological tactics if the intention is to create an honest competitor, that kind of rhetoric is clearly and unambiguously dishonest. This is aggressive and manipulative behaviour, why would a technically superior product need to employ such machiavellian tactics? The answer is because these forks were self-interested attempts to de-rail Bitcoin's direction and stability, not that they were borne out of genuine technical disagreements.
2177  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Bitcoin's earliest developers on: February 06, 2018, 05:21:57 PM
Sipa is the only person still working on Bitcoin on that list, and is therefore the longest serving programmer in Bitcoin development. So Sipa has probably contributed to Bitcoin development more than anyone else.
I'm pretty sure that sipa was only added to that list so that he could help migrate/maintain the bitcoin-dev mailing list.

Hmmm, invalid supposition is invalid. Amended my post.


Can a mod give buwaytress his merit back? Turns out I shouldn't have been given it.
2178  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Bitcoin's earliest developers on: February 06, 2018, 04:23:41 PM
As far as I know the earliest versions of Bitcoin were published on SourceForge, not on Github:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/

Brought to you by: gavinandresen, jgarzik, sipa

As of 2015-06-05, this project can be found here:
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/

Sipa is the only person still working on Bitcoin on that list, and is therefore the longest serving programmer in Bitcoin development. So Sipa has probably contributed to Bitcoin development more than anyone else.

Scratch that, apparently Sipa was not part of the deprecated sourceforge repo that Satoshi set up, or at least he was only part of the effort to move the sourceforge repo over to github in 2010.
2179  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Empty Blocks:Good or bad? on: February 06, 2018, 03:58:30 PM
Good things (about empty blocks)

  • Increases the amount of work performed on the blockchain, making all previous blocks more secure (full blocks also do this)
  • Inhibits the overall size of the blockchain (slightly)

Bad things

  • Transaction rate not maximised

The incentive to mine empty blocks is pretty low overall, despite their frequency. Let's not forget that improvements in propagating blocks and in the efficiency of the Bitcoin client have helped to reduce that incentive alot over the years. As long as competition in mining remains relatively open, empty (or half empty) blocks will be great way for miners to decrease their profits.

2180  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: DINOFELIS is the actual troll on: February 05, 2018, 12:12:34 PM
The problem is that you didn't even understand the logic of the arguments here.

Nope, you've misconstrued what they've said.  They're saying that SPV users rely on someone to give them a correct copy of the blockchain because SPV clients are not checking the history to validate if what they've received is correct.  The theoretical double spend wouldn't be in the actual blockchain that everyone else can see, it would be in the fraudulent copy being given to the SPV user.  Read what achow101 said again:

No, that is cryptographically impossible.  You cannot give a "fraudulent copy of the block chain headers" to an SPV user, if that user knows the currently actual block chain headers, in exactly the same way full nodes do.  


That isn't what he said, and you know it.


Go back and read everything. 

Smiley

That isn't going to be happening, the best strategy with your posts is to skim-read them until one finds the deliberate errors you try to promote as facts
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