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221  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: [ASK] Hukum Dalam Islam Jika Hutang Bitcoin atau Cryptocurrency on: October 31, 2018, 09:59:23 PM
Saya berusaha menjawab sesuai dengan pengetahuan saya :

Saya mendaftar pokok permasalahannya terlebih dahulu :
1. Status Hutang Crypto, boleh atau tidak?
2. Berkurangnya nilai krypto terhadap rupiah

Jawaban saya :

1. Apakah boleh meminjam crypto?
Hukum asal utang piutang adalah boleh. Menjadi tidak boleh jika tujuannya dilarang agama. Jadi, selama tujuannya tidak dilarang oleh agama, maka kegiatan utang piutang boleh dilakukan. Baik berupa barang ataupun uang. Sehingga, utang-piutang crypto baik sebagai currency (mata uang) ataupun sebagai barang (komoditas) tetap diperbolehkan selama tidak digunakan untuk sesuatu yang dilarang agama.

2. Berkurangnya nilai krypto terhadap rupiah.
Berkurangnya nilai tidak menjadi sebabnya barang/uang dilarang untuk dijadikan objek utang piutang. Karena utang-piutang dalam bentuk rupiah pun nilainya bisa berkurang.

Sebagai gambaran, Contoh : orang yang meminjam uang Rp. 1,5 juta pada bulan Juni 1998 dan membayar utang tersebut pada tahun 2018. Tentu secara nilai, uang Rp. 1,5 juta pada tahun 1998 sudah tidak sebanding dengan dengan nilai Rp. 1,5 juta pada bulan Oktober 2018. Penurunan nilai bisa dibandingkan terhadap nilai beras. Pada bulan juni 1998, harga beras 1 Kg = Rp. 20001. sehingga Uang 1,5 juta (juni 1998) setara dengan 750 Kg. Sedangkan uang Rp. 1,5 juta pada bulan oktober setara dengan 130 Kg (Harga beras saat ini = Rp. 11.500)2

Jadi, jika kita menyimpulkan bahwa utang-piutang kripto haram karena penurunan nilai, maka peminjaman uang rupiah juga haram. Namun ini kesimpulan yang tidak masuk akal. Sehingga penurunan nilai tidak bisa dijadikan penyeban pengharaman utang piutang crypto. Yang haram itu klo utang piutang crypto ada bunganya.

Catatan Kaki :
1 : https://media.neliti.com/media/publications/51128-ID-gejolak-harga-beras-agustus-september-1998-penelusuran-sebab-dan-akibat.pdf
2 : Pengalaman pribadi, belanja harian.  Grin
hutang juga gak selama itu juga kali gan untuk ngembaliin nya jika sampai puluhan tahun seperti itu tentu sudah keterlaluan lah, kalau saya menilai sih masalah pinjam meminjam yang terpenting adalah akad nya, jika sudah disepakati antara kedua belah pihak dan tidak membebani salah satu pihak, ya berarti boleh dan syah.
saya sependapat dengan anda, dalam dunia pinjam meminjam yang membedakan bank muamalah[islam] dan konfensional[tidak menggunakan syariat islam] adalah dalam kontek akad saja,jika akad yang di gunakan sudah sesuai dalam konsep syariah maka pekerjaan tersebut sah dan halal tapi untuk lebuih jelasnya anda mungkin tanya pada ahlinya agar kita tidak salah tafsir dan tafsil
222  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: [GOSIP] Investigasi Spam, Spammer & Shitposter on: October 31, 2018, 09:51:57 PM
entahlah saya tidak ingin menghakimi apakah itu spam atau tidak karna memang sebagian tema-teman yang mengikuti bounty signatur utamanya yang memakai bayaran BTC akan mengejar target pengeposan yang memang jumlahnya tidak biasa,tapi saya sendiri menilai bila pos mereka wajar dan of topik tidak ada unsur asal-asalan mungkin di maklumi apalagi memberikan kontribusi ya ng positif bagi anggota forum,tapi lebih bijaknya semuanya kita pasrahkan pada moderator karna mereka yang menilainya
223  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Bagaimana cara yg benar untuk inves bitcoin?? on: October 31, 2018, 09:40:46 PM
saya mungkin menyarankan saja untuk pemula mungkin yang pertama jangan gunakan semua uang anda untuk investasi,gunakan saja sebagian dengan melakukan trading di market sebagaimana saran teman-teman tujuannya untuk mengenal bagaimana berspkulasi dan menganalisa harga dan tak kalah pentingnya menumbuhkan menejemen strategi investasi [jangka panjang/pendek]dan menjaga emosi mental
224  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: Wasadai email tentang bounty on: October 29, 2018, 03:28:33 PM
kejadian ini sering terjadi dan dengan banyak modus dan kebanyakan mereka masuk melalui email kita.dengan beberapa penawaran seperti airdrop,keamanan situs sebagiman situs pertukaran bahkan tidak segan segan mereka mengatasnamakan dari MEW itu sendiri
225  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Project without team members on: October 29, 2018, 03:17:50 PM
a project without a team is the same as a project without any real purpose and it is clear that they just pit their luck in luck and only think about profit without any plan for the future even though there are some successes and continue to trade but will die automatically.
226  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Cryptocurrency is gradually spreading on: October 29, 2018, 03:12:32 PM
as more and more people know crypto increasingly have the opportunity to crypto some of the global economic activities of the people with the application of a truly tangible crypto project not just in the realm of prices in the exchange market alone
227  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Bounties (Altcoins) / Re: [BOUNTY][Airdrop][PRIVATE SALE INCOMING] NAMEK | ICO provider & services 🚀🚀🚀 on: October 28, 2018, 05:04:10 AM
#Proof of authentification
Bitcointalk username : ninis45
Bitcointalk profile link : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1099238
Telegram username : @Ninis45
228  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: Multicoin wallets on: October 18, 2018, 10:07:15 PM
aside from the coinomi from the three that I mentioned I never tried it just that I kept a little asset there because it can be accessed via handphone
229  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: So Much Scam Bounty on: October 18, 2018, 10:02:41 PM
Ya,some bounty are made by scammers who wanna stole money from investors
How are we know which is scam or not ?
oh,its hard things to detec, we don't know which legit / fake,some ico seems like legit project but when hardcap reached dev sell eth to binance.
We must be carefull,do your own research,follow campaign lonly was managed by legit bounty managers
like
-Amazix
-Arteezy
-BtcLtcdigger
-Lauda

these bounty manager is legit,always give payment on time.



yes i agree with you brother , bounty manage by they really Legit , that why i never miss to joined bounty program from they . i dont want waste my time joined scam bounty!

he was right most of the projects managed by one of the managers were legit but some were failed
230  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: ETh will hit $1000 end of this year on: October 16, 2018, 10:05:06 PM
That's a very very assured statement and you sound certain they will be a bullrun this year, while everything is saying the opposite. Well I hope your right, even if the year doesn't end like last year, a bull run will help assure people that Bitcoin and cryptocurrency is here to stay.
I don't know ... Positive speculation at the end of this year is mostly an uncertain hope because this year is very different from last year and we also know some of the analyzes say the bull run market will occur in 2019
231  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: market conditions are destroyed. on: October 16, 2018, 10:00:25 PM
we see the market especially bitcoin today starting to pump it is the reality and in the future it is only a shadow that is not necessarily true to speculate for today in order to seek profit from the pump and game whale is the wisest thing
232  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Gemstone / Maybe soon there will be a pump on: October 16, 2018, 09:55:12 PM
The today problem is market uncertainity.last year it is easy to reach 10x ico price because a lot of money flow in to crypto market and we are on bullish market. Now only 1 / 100 ico will do 10x. I am betting on essentia and hyperquant. A lot of ico only gives me lose nowadays. If you are believer and the developer is really legit you can go. But if it is not dont inveat or you will lose your shirt in one day.

"Lose your shirt" LOL

You're not wrong about the market as there's not much new investment coming in for smaller projects even if they are making good progress but when the market does shape up there should be better results

Now it is generally very scary to invest. In this article, write that researchers have counted over a thousand "dead" cryptocurrency projects.
https://en.bit.news/researchers-counted-thousand-dead-cryptocurrency-projects/
or this article, where they write that More than half of ICO-projects ceased operations in the first four months
https://steemit.com/ico/@yadyasir/more-than-half-of-ico-projects-ceased-operations-in-the-first-four-months
This market is full of manipulators, scammers, and so on. I think we need regulation.


you are right the market is very risky for now and most crypto projects do not go according to their purpose but we also have to look at market prospects and project developments in fact as an investor looking for project opportunities that have been running and developing, even the tokens they have listed in exchange are more better than joining an ICO
233  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Long-term Telegram groups with safe holdings???? on: October 16, 2018, 09:47:30 PM
Hi, guys.
Good morning to ya all.
First of all i wanted to congrats everyone with 1k+ green candle and breakout from triangle.
I want to ask for about some Telegram groups that provide signals.
I don't need marging trading groups.
Priority is the groups with:
-Portfolio (long-term) holdings.
-Nice website with some helpful features.
-Signals with STOP LOSS. Don't want to hold signal for 10 years, lol
-Support, who will help with some market situation?
whaletank.trade -don't suggest, i am already in.
Asian Whales - don't suggest, i am already in.
Also some Russian channels.
Palm Beach - need more info about them.
Thanks in advance! Have a nice day and profits!
Why not spend time and learn about how to trade? Trading is so important that you have to take trading decisions yourself. Many new traders lose money because of the inability to make and inform decisions and when some one has to make the decision for them they always lose money. There is no telegram group out there that can give you information about long-term or investments more than the one you can give yourself if you know how the market works.
I think we are joining them as a comparison with market analysis, which we are concerned about as speculation that we are correct is not dependent on them in trading or investing because you do not want to give your finances to others forever, so try trading yourself
234  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Menjadi Investor Muda on: October 15, 2018, 08:11:14 AM
sejak munculnya kelompok dan grup cryptocurrency di sebagian kota telah mendatangkan para trader dan invesman baru di dunia crypto yang bisa di katakan 70% dari mereka adalah kalangan muda dan bahkan dari latar belakang yang berekonomi menengah kebawah dan kebanyakan dari mereka sudah sukses dan mempunya aset crypto yang banyak dan mnjanjikan sebagai investasi jangka panjang oleh karena itu cryptio adalah peluang menyadarkan anak muda untuk mempunyai investasi jangkan panjang
235  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [ANN] PLAYGAME : MENGGERAKAN DAYA EKONOMI GAME ANDA DENGAN BLOCKCHAIN on: October 15, 2018, 08:02:59 AM
dan di saat gencarnya program bounty pertukaran/perdagangan crypto dan master node,playgame adalah satu-satunya pada saat ini yang mengusung proyek layanan yang berhubungan GAME dan ini akan menjadi nilai tambah minat investor untuk bergabung tanpa harus memilah dan memilih beberapa proyek dengan konsep yang sama
236  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [TANYA]Apakah Altcoin Yang Tidak Familiar juga berpotensi? on: October 15, 2018, 07:59:02 AM
kita di saat ini menunggu pasar banteng dan yang kita ketahui untuk sekarang para paus masih memerankan peranannya dalam pasar dan untuk membeli koin yang kurang familiar sangat beresiko tinggi walau akan menjanjikan keuntungan besar dari pada altcoin yang sudah familiyar ini di karnakan harganya yang sangat murah pada saat ini
237  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [BOUNTY][ICO] WPP ENERGY - TOKEN ENERGI RAMAH LINGKUNGAN BERJAMINAN on: October 15, 2018, 07:54:17 AM
peserta signaturenya sudah banyak totalnya ada 357 peserta tapi banyak juga yang kena reject.
tetap saja diatas 300 peserta sangat banyak antusias para bounty hunter di proyek WPP.
Betul gan ini proyek memang sangatlah luar biasa yang berpartisipasi cukup banyak nampaknya proyek ini sangat besar semoga sukses
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dari total 593 peserta signature yang sudah bergabung, hanya 182 saya yang tersisa saat ini
sebagian besar kena reject karena akun jr.member yang turun menjadi newbie dan juga remove sign..
sepertinya akan untung besar bagi peserta signature nya nanti karena hasil penjualannya juga bagus
jadi kampanye bounty signatur akan mendapatkan bayaran yang paling gede dari pada yang lainnya setelah translate kayaknya melihat pesertanya uandah pada merah di sprendseet dan untuk blog kayaknya pesertanya buanyak kale apakah penilaian artikel akan ketat di kahir nanti... ayo kita lihat soalnmya artikelnya saya lihat cuma kopas ketas putih dan webset resmi
238  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Alts coin vs BTC on: October 11, 2018, 08:27:32 AM
in terms of profitability altcoin is more profitable than bitcoin when the bull market comes but in terms of the risk of bitcoin is safer because he remains king of Altcoin in price
239  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][POS][MASTERNODE]⚡️PayDay-Unique global loan mechanism based on blockchain⚡ on: October 11, 2018, 08:21:17 AM
What is Masternode and how does it work? Huh

The crypto gold rush is ongoing, but buying bitcoin and waiting for its price to go up is no longer enough to get a sufficient piece of the pie. Even mining is nothing compared to what it used to be.

However, the crypto world still has ways of generating stable income and one of the most interesting among them is creating a masternode. The PayDay Coin project works on a masternode network, and today we would like to tell you what is a masternode.

A masternode is a full-fledged network node for any given cryptocurrency. The more masternodes there are on a network, the more secure it is, the faster transactions go through (up to the point of almost real-time transaction speed), the more features can be implemented.

Creating a masternode costs money and is often expensive, as a result, their owners are well-rewarded. This mutually beneficial agreement helps cryptocurrency develop and grow while offering an additional source of income.

A masternode is an always-on and always online computer (ideally — a server) that has a static IP and is running cryptocurrency wallet software that is fully synchronized with the blockchain.

Besides the hardware costs that can run up to thousands of dollars a much bigger expenditure is often the cryptocurrency itself. To run a masternode users must purchase in a specific amount to deposit into the wallet as collateral.

The size of such collateral varies from coin to coin, but it is always a considerable amount of money. As long as the masternode is running, the collateral can’t be withdrawn, however, when the user decides to stop supporting the payment network that they can transfer and sell the coins from the wallet.

What’s the profitability? It varies from coin to coin but on average a user can expect about 0.1 to 0.5 coins per day for a running masternode, given the deposit is at 700 to 1000 coins. Considering the size of the initial investment, it’s not that much, since you can terminate your node and get all your coins back at any time.

To summarize, it’s clear that masternodes make for a relatively effective passive source of stable income, that interests users who can’t or choose not to constantly monitor the state of the crypto community or trade on crypto exchanges frequently.
Thank you. I knew this information but it will be very useful for many beginners in this topic. I think many investors will be interested in this way of investment and perhaps invest in your project.
Among the many projects, the current masternode project and this will provide an opportunity for newcomers in cryptocurrency to be very attractive and they will be able to benefit from the coins they get.
240  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Bounties (Altcoins) / Re: [HLM] Helium - Campaign Thread - Bounty Information - HeliumPay.com on: October 10, 2018, 01:34:13 AM
I talked with Craslovell in Slack. He told me that once he have funds in wallet we will see stakes appearing.
He said, that we are not forgotten. ))
Thank you for this information. I'm glad to hear that we are not forgotten. I think that the team consists of conscientious guys, and there will be no problems.
he is right, I hope they confirm personally by sending a message on bounty participation because I know 70% of them have left the update because the project is too long to run
This should mean that those who wait can have more. I hope so. In any case, I already have Helium wallet on my desktop, and am waiting for further instructions. Cool
still waiting and hoping ... by looking at this thread there may be updates and instructions from the team, but unfortunately not ......
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