Is there an ignore button or some such like on here? You know, so posts from people on your block list just wouldn't show up? Yes there is :  That's a very useful feature, thanks for pointing it out. |
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- Ebay doesn't mean anything. We already saw that when it comes to miners on Ebay, sellers are most of the time scammers and buyers aren't really buyers, they just bid to troll. Also with Paypal buyers protections who would like to sell anything on Ebay.
I disagree. Jupiters were selling for stupid prices (i.e. much more than cost) on ebay in December/January, which was a very strong indication of their worth at the time. $7K is a very realistic price for a 3TH machine, not $10k or $13k. - ROI on long terms is not impossible with Neptunes, specially with second miner (Neptune or Titan). The price of BTC isn't static.
Did I say anything about roi? No I didn't. I said people had paid $2000 per bitcoin. I was pointing out how people were screwed. You could have bought btc for $500 or $600 recently, but people who bought Neptunes paid $2000 per btc. Which is an epic fail from an investment pov. By interpreting and inventing facts it's easy to say KNC is a bad company.
Go troll on BFL's topic, it a good environment for you.
No dude, you go somewhere else. Your arguments are weak and it seems you just can't bare to face facts you were screwed by knc. Don't try to take that out on me. The facts will keep coming. Don't forget the lube! I warned you about it ages ago  Did you upgrade to Firmware 1.01 ?
Maybe Firmware 1.01 was made to break Octorber/November miners.
lol, I wouldn't put it past knc. So only another few day until June and then we'll see how KNC start fucking their remaining morons customers. They've had so much time to plan this, you can assume they have some dastardly shit planned to screw their "loyal morons customers" Order some of this to prepare  Is there an ignore button or some such like on here? You know, so posts from people on your block list just wouldn't show up? |
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For those who would argue that Q1/Q2 delivery means end of Q2; It does. why would they include the "Q1/" if that was the intention? To encourage the gullible to believe that they would ship earlier than the last possible date.  Go back under your little bridge troll: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=142472;sa=showPostsAlthough you do make a good point; they did intentionally mislead. u27 |
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Quick update:
No change on my order a full week after KfC admitted it was late at the end of Q2 (not to mention the Q1/Q2 deadline they missed by a clear quarter).
For those who would argue that Q1/Q2 delivery means end of Q2; why would they include the "Q1/" if that was the intention?
No free HWYW has been offered; only the $5,995 to hash for a couple of weeks and accept revised T&C (regardless of that fact that every Neptune order would have been refunded already without the 2for1 offer).
My refund (which was requested right after they released the spec, before shipping started) is still being refused.
No form of compensation has been announced on account of the third batch ($10,000 public batch) being sent out right after the CA and $13,000 batches/
u27
EDIT:
I was told on Friday that they would be in assembly over the weekend and the rest of batch 1 would ship Monday (today); just spoke to Anna and "it will most likely ship this week".
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A 140mm fan would need to spin higher than 2000 rpm. There are not many out there.
Take out the large, ridiculous fan and replace it with 4 small little fans. Your options on those size fans are limitless. I have a bunch of fast 120mm fans from my old 132nm setup; they allowed me to o/c by 50% back then so fingers crossed they will do the job when/if KfC ever send me miners. Really don't want to be spending a lot of cash on cooling these given that ROI is already a distant glimmer. |
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As I understand it to cool Neptune VRM's there is a poorly manufactured aluminum plate in the form of an "E" with the outer legs on the VRM's and the middle leg holding the heat sink in place.
There is some kind of thick heat foam between the VRM's and the plate to transfer the heat to the plate but then where does the heat go? Is it dissipated by the metal plate or is it thermally bonded to the top of the heat pipe sink?
Thanks
The VRM heat goes from VRM -> foam -> plate -> some radiates off the plate some may transfer down from the plate into ASIC heatsink but that would depend on temperature of each part. The heat only goes to cooler places, if the base of heatsink is hotter than the plate(not VRM temp BTW) it will warm it(plate) too. (second law of thermodynamics??) If the 'heatsink base' is cooler than the plate, adding a dab of grease between plate and heatsink would help. Else the ASIC will contribute to VRM temp issues. Would need to attach thermocouple to a small probe and measure plate and base of heatsink to 'know'. The plate is WELL MANUFACTURED. They are almost perfectly flat. Turns out IMneverHO that flat is not ideal. I bend the ends of the outer legs down for better contact of plate/foam/VRM. Easy no parts needed improvement in VRM temps! You can look at imprint in foam and determine where it needs more pressure. It can be done without unsticking heatsink from ASIC if you bend the fan back and carefully pry plate up from VRM's. The foam acts like doublesided tape. It's more like clay or plumbers putty than foam. I also squeezed the foam/clay a bit to make it taller before reinstall of plate. YMMV  EDIT there is also foam below PCB under same challenged VRM's. Raising cubes up a bit will help bottom of case radiate some of the heat. The whole foam thing is an OK idea but poorly implimented. Thanks, fairly sure I know what to do when / if they arrive now. Shame KfC have to date refused to either refund or dispatch miners. u27 |
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We now have shipping confirmations on KnC forum from today; still nobody has confirmed receiving a Neptune since Q2.
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As I understand it to cool Neptune VRM's there is a poorly manufactured aluminum plate in the form of an "E" with the outer legs on the VRM's and the middle leg holding the heat sink in place.
There is some kind of thick heat foam between the VRM's and the plate to transfer the heat to the plate but then where does the heat go? Is it dissipated by the metal plate or is it thermally bonded to the top of the heat pipe sink?
Thanks
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http://www.va.se/special/knc-miner-631834The bitcoin fever, just as other gold rushes, has occasionally been chaotic. Large fortunes have been won and lost. Fights, bluffs and mistrust have been common. In short, it has been a bit of a Wild West. Even KNC Miner has a turbulent history. “We lied the whole time.” That is how Andreas Kennemar describes the strategy they used to reach the position they have today within the bitcoin world today, as a respected and profitable company (sic). KNC's entire business is built on a pathological level of lies/fraud/deception/misrepresentation. I rarely use this term, so you should understand the severity of this response: wow. |
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so much for the 3-4 weeks in between batches lol
Searing
Batch 2 right after batch 1 I would imagine. Did batch 2 get offered the second miner or was that just CA batch 0 and batch 1? |
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How many units were delivered until now? Do we have a forum guesstimate?
Liam told me today that batch 1 started shipping this week and the last orders from batch 1 will be sent out on Monday. Nothing shipped Tuesday. So from what they are saying batch 1 will be built and shipped over approx. 6 days with the 4th and 5th days being Sat/Sun; so half of batch 1 will have been sent by close of business tonight. Batch 0/1 was 2400 units total, 400 Jupiter conversions and say 25% of the rest refunds (mostly from batch 1) leaves 1500 Neptunes to ship between the two batches. Say 600 batch one units and 900 batch 0 units based on estimated refund distribution. So based on that it is likely 1200 will have shipped by tonight and the 300 remaining units will ship out on Monday. That being said I have still not seen a confirmation of delivery since back in Q2; so we have no way of confirming what has and has not been sent out. u27 |
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Quick update:
KnC still haven't agreed refund or shipped my order and it's now the Friday of the first week of Q3 so no shipping until Monday at least.
Nobody has confirmed that they have received a Neptune or even a shipping number from KfC since the Q2 deadline.
All signs point towards them having shipped all the chips they had yielded in Q2 and screw the rest of us.
PLEASE GIVE ME MY MONEY BACK KnC!
they learned that one from ScamFast  Spoke to Liam today; seems like a genuinely nice guy. I'm told that they have shipped miners every day apart from Tuesday, they will be working over the weekend to get the rest of batch one built and these will all ship on Monday "only a week late". Still refused to refund. Still no HWYW without giving up second miner. Still nobody has conformed here or on KnC forum that they have received a miner since the end of Q2. u27 |
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Quick update: KnC still haven't agreed refund or shipped my order and it's now the Friday of the first week of Q3 so no shipping until Monday at least. Nobody has confirmed that they have received a Neptune or even a shipping number from KfC since the Q2 deadline. All signs point towards them having shipped all the chips they had yielded in Q2 and screw the rest of us. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=672950.msg7619406#msg7619406PLEASE GIVE ME MY MONEY BACK KnC! (requested as before you started shipping, as soon as you released specs) |
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If they run into similar problems with Titan this might be the end of their journey. There are already competitors with cheaper hardware.
I expect Titan to be fine; as I understand it the original KnC team moved from 28nm BTC rigs to 28nm LTC rigs and the noobs moved in to screw us on Neptune. |
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Actually it currently takes 10 days with 3.3 TH/s to mine a bitcoin.
Damn that's bad. Looks like Neptombers, all costs considered, paid about $2000 per bitcoin. Yeah, maybe the japper crapper deal was the better one after all... Yep, Neptune is worth about £4000 when/if it arrives; which is approx. half what it cost. The second one will likely be worth no more than £2000 leaving total of 25% loss for every Neptune customer compared to buying BTC.  |
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I'm getting worried that they shipped all but two out of batch 1 now; surely people would have posted here otherwise?
u27
you can cite prejudice if this is the case. first they ban you from their forum for asking perfectly legitimate questions, then they refuse to ship a product you paid $10k for. I'd take it to a lawyer, stinks of prejudice. Anna just told me they are still shipping and they have chips... funny how nobody has posted a "got my miner today!" on their "shipment progress confirmation" thread since Q2. http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/main-category/hardware/47413-neptune-shipment-progress-confirmation-thread?p=49231#post49231I despair. |
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I edited my post and added link to their news
Go look yourself.
I read the news, but it's simply stupid. The demand for Neptunes CAN'T be bigger than the wafers because they had a lot of refunds and people ordering now are going into Batch 3 so Batch 1 and 2 shouldn't be a problem since they knew for more than 6 months how many units they need and if we add the tons of refunds something doesn't add up. But it's KnC. Expect the worst!The yield per wafer can be low; it's not guaranteed especially at the forefront of nm technology. They might have expected 90% usable chips from each wafer and ended up getting 50% usable chips. Plus 20nm is really just pushing the 28nm methods harder while waiting for 16nm. Long story short, if you're waiting for batch one Neptune which you're not going to get any time soon post in my thread above. u27 |
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Oh, i didn't see that news.
Oh well, it's a good time to ask for a refund. They cannot use their "We are shipping" excuse to refuse them.
I'm getting worried that they shipped all but two out of batch 1 now; surely people would have posted here otherwise? u27 |
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So they ran out of hardware for now but are giving you the hash rate without you actually having to pay for electricity or to wait for them to ship/setup? I refunded my Neptunes a while ago.. but if I was in someones situation I would PREFER they cloud mine to save me $ - unless holding the physical machine to make less profit is what you're after? Additionally, they could have said "we ran out, sucks, we'll ship them when we can" but they didn't - they are giving you the hash rate they owe you + no electric fees. They offered a second miner from batch three some time back in order to compensate for rise in difficulty and stop everybody from refunding; they now require people to agree to a new set of T&C to take the cloud hashing option. The small print in the new T&C removes the second miner so nobody in their right mind would agree to it. |
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I am in batch 1 and KfC have run out of chips to make more Neptunes in the near future let alone ship them. This is the first time that they have broken promises / failed to deliver is such an easily provable way (it's Q3!). And where did you get that information, sir ? Please back this up with an official source and not a troll on the forum. You're kidding right? How about https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-95 for an official source? |
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