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221  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Solutions on: December 16, 2019, 10:04:37 PM
What freedom and liberty? The freedom to shoot and kill anybody at will?


Ok, you are just a troll..
By
Why are you calling me a troll? What am I doing that's troll-ish?

Ive been nothing but honest, respectful and logical with responses to your ideas and theories.  The reason this fellow is calling you a troll is your dismissive attitude towards any contrary logic or facts.  You've done absolutely nothing to show how this will actually work/succeed, and offer defensive retorts to opposing thoughts. There have been zero replies supporting your ideas working, and a plethora indicating otherwise.

Like the statistics I posted above. Your response is "think it doesn't matter to that .0038% ?".  Thats simply an assanine response.  You are being shown facts that clearly indicate your perceived solutions for a problem dont work, will not work, and really isnt a statistical issue in the grand scheme of things.

You want to save a few kids from irresponsible parents, fine. I'm cool with that.  Maybe this will help in that department. But we've already shown you it has major flaws, even for that application.
That's your opinion.

I've asked others to share their ideas, including you, and have gotten no replies.

Perhaps others are afraid to voice their ideas in fear of getting flamed.

Me, I don't give a shit what other people think of me. So I'll just keep posting until I don't feel like it or I get banned (It wouldn't be the first time.)
222  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Solutions on: December 16, 2019, 09:30:44 PM
What freedom and liberty? The freedom to shoot and kill anybody at will?


Ok, you are just a troll..
By
Why are you calling me a troll? What am I doing that's troll-ish?
223  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Solutions on: December 16, 2019, 08:16:41 PM
So, you think those statistics matter to the less than 1%?


Probably to many of them still..
I highly doubt a freak accident would change my views enough to reject freedom and liberty..
What freedom and liberty? The freedom to shoot and kill anybody at will?
224  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Solutions on: December 16, 2019, 05:28:31 PM

Right, the gun can't be fired without human interaction. Again, the problem comes from the gun ending up in the wrong hands. We, as humans, can't always control that.

Ok.  You're arguing in a circle and missing your exit.  But that's ok.  We agree that the human factor is the issue. You're looking to "baby-proof" the gun to restrict access. But wouldn't it be more effective to fix the human?   Instead of a "crap, can't use that gun, where's the knife?" result.....   what if we fix the root cause so their thought process is now "geez, I can't do that, imagine the death destruction and misery I'd cause". Or "can't do that, it's illegal".     Your idea is putting a bandaid on an arterial bleed.

I certainly don't have the answer to fixing the gang mentality, criminal appeal, lack of respect and mental health issues that cause 99% of shootings. But I do know we proved your idea will not work, based simply on cell coverage gaps.
You can't be there all the time to make sure your gun or any gun doesn't end up in the wrong hands. A five year old who got a hold of his daddy's gun for example. How do you stop the kid from firing the gun?

Same way I stopped my 3 kids from getting anything I didn't want them to have.  The gun, locked up. My money, phone, beer, cigarettes... told them no and enforced consequences.

I've got about 30 different firearms right now. And have had guns since about 1988. Guess how many of my kids were harmed. Zero.  Guess how many were stolen. Zero.  

Which is another point I mentioned a few pages ago.  When you enact new laws/restrictions on guns, the only people it affects are the legal gun owners. The criminals don't care what your law says.
We already have laws to punish a parent if the kid kid gets hold of a gun.
Congratulations. You are one of the smart and responsible gun owners.

Tell that to a family that wasn't so lucky and lost someone because someone wasn't as careful as you.

Or, the victims of mass shootings like Sandy Hook.



And about 99% of gun owners are like me.  Why do you keep trying to punish us for the actions of the other 1%.  
Actually less. Just checked some stats.
 383,000,000 guns in the US.  
14,500 homicides (2017)

What is that? About .0038 %

Compare to 1,250,000 car crash deaths per year avg

Which machine is really more dangerous to the populace?

So, you think those statistics matter to the less than 1%?

I'm not trying to punish anyone. Just sharing and defending my ideas.
225  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Solutions on: December 16, 2019, 05:16:42 PM
No, just more vigilant and use some common sense. Be street smart. Unfortunately that can't be taught in school.

Too bad you are neither street smart not book smart. What is stopping people form just making their own guns? Importing unlocked guns? Using explosives, fire, vehicles, knives, airguns, to kill people? Are you not getting any kind of clue why "your ideas" are half baked failures? The world is not your science experiment. You have to prove ideas before they are implemented, especially when the safety of hundreds of millions is at risk.
Uh, I don't know. Because it's easier to buy (off the street) or steal a gun than to make one?

So, how do I go about to try to prove my ideas? Where do I start?

You can't even form a coherent reply to my question, but you claim to have the solution to all the worlds problems. They are "your ideas" jackhole, you tell me.
You seem to know everything like an expert, that's why I asked you.
226  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Solutions on: December 16, 2019, 06:17:43 AM

Right, the gun can't be fired without human interaction. Again, the problem comes from the gun ending up in the wrong hands. We, as humans, can't always control that.

Ok.  You're arguing in a circle and missing your exit.  But that's ok.  We agree that the human factor is the issue. You're looking to "baby-proof" the gun to restrict access. But wouldn't it be more effective to fix the human?   Instead of a "crap, can't use that gun, where's the knife?" result.....   what if we fix the root cause so their thought process is now "geez, I can't do that, imagine the death destruction and misery I'd cause". Or "can't do that, it's illegal".     Your idea is putting a bandaid on an arterial bleed.

I certainly don't have the answer to fixing the gang mentality, criminal appeal, lack of respect and mental health issues that cause 99% of shootings. But I do know we proved your idea will not work, based simply on cell coverage gaps.
You can't be there all the time to make sure your gun or any gun doesn't end up in the wrong hands. A five year old who got a hold of his daddy's gun for example. How do you stop the kid from firing the gun?

Same way I stopped my 3 kids from getting anything I didn't want them to have.  The gun, locked up. My money, phone, beer, cigarettes... told them no and enforced consequences.

I've got about 30 different firearms right now. And have had guns since about 1988. Guess how many of my kids were harmed. Zero.  Guess how many were stolen. Zero.  

Which is another point I mentioned a few pages ago.  When you enact new laws/restrictions on guns, the only people it affects are the legal gun owners. The criminals don't care what your law says.
We already have laws to punish a parent if the kid kid gets hold of a gun.
Congratulations. You are one of the smart and responsible gun owners.

Tell that to a family that wasn't so lucky and lost someone because someone wasn't as careful as you.

Or, the victims of mass shootings like Sandy Hook.

227  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Solutions on: December 16, 2019, 06:03:16 AM
No, just more vigilant and use some common sense. Be street smart. Unfortunately that can't be taught in school.

Too bad you are neither street smart not book smart. What is stopping people form just making their own guns? Importing unlocked guns? Using explosives, fire, vehicles, knives, airguns, to kill people? Are you not getting any kind of clue why "your ideas" are half baked failures? The world is not your science experiment. You have to prove ideas before they are implemented, especially when the safety of hundreds of millions is at risk.
Uh, I don't know. Because it's easier to buy (off the street) or steal a gun than to make one?

So, how do I go about to try to prove my ideas? Where do I start?
228  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Solutions on: December 16, 2019, 05:51:43 AM
Legal guns not firing in public just means criminals using illegal guns don't have to worry about a gun-wielding public. I believe there were already several incidents in the US where people shot down mass shooters. Imagine if you actually have to wait for the police to come.

Sure you can make it so that in the event that a mass shooting happens all the other guns unlock but there will be a delay between the center receiving information that one is indeed happening and them being able to deactivate the block.

Not to mention they'd probably spend even more time "confirming" the incident before being forced to unlock guns coz "Guns Bad!".

Since criminals follow the law and don't do things that are illegal, that sounds great!

Wait...

Wait they don't follow the law? I'm shookt!
Taking down a shooter in public is the job of cops; not fellow bystanders. Law enforcement don't need preauthorization to fire their guns. Unless, we change the law so that cops can't just shoot anyone when they feel like it. Maybe they should get an "ok" from a superior before they can shoot.

Look, this is far from being a reality because of too much red tape and organizations like the NRA. No one has the balls to initiate change. We will continue to have mass shootings and accidental gun deaths. This is the world we live in unless we truly want change.

Awww, that's cute. Yeah, I'm so totally just gonna sit there and wait for the cops while someone have a gun pointed at me. Those gun-owning bystanders can go pound sand, I don't need their help!   Roll Eyes

For a taste of what a disarmed police force is go look at the all those cops knifed down in the UK. Now before you point out that UPS hostage incident, it were the cops that were stupid, not the guns.
PopoJeff, you're a cop. You agree with that? That the cops were stupid?
229  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Solutions on: December 16, 2019, 03:13:23 AM

Right, the gun can't be fired without human interaction. Again, the problem comes from the gun ending up in the wrong hands. We, as humans, can't always control that.

Ok.  You're arguing in a circle and missing your exit.  But that's ok.  We agree that the human factor is the issue. You're looking to "baby-proof" the gun to restrict access. But wouldn't it be more effective to fix the human?   Instead of a "crap, can't use that gun, where's the knife?" result.....   what if we fix the root cause so their thought process is now "geez, I can't do that, imagine the death destruction and misery I'd cause". Or "can't do that, it's illegal".     Your idea is putting a bandaid on an arterial bleed.

I certainly don't have the answer to fixing the gang mentality, criminal appeal, lack of respect and mental health issues that cause 99% of shootings. But I do know we proved your idea will not work, based simply on cell coverage gaps.
You can't be there all the time to make sure your gun or any gun doesn't end up in the wrong hands. A five year old who got a hold of his daddy's gun for example. How do you stop the kid from firing the gun?
230  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Solutions on: December 16, 2019, 01:19:33 AM
How will my ideas become solutions if no one wants to even try out my ideas?

What are your ideas for Gun Control and UBI?


They wont.  Because you still think the gun is the problem.
The problem is the person, the gun is an object or tool. Outlaw guns altogether and they'll kill each other with knifes. Before guns existed, lets say the 1400-1500's for example.... was there a lack of violence?  No, people killed each other with swords and rocks and spears.
The inherent problem is people and the raising of their children. Do you blame the dresser that falls over and kills the 2 year old kid, or the parent for not watching their kid when their climbing on the dresser ?

No matter how many ideas you come up with to alter/ban/abolish an inanimate object, human depravity will simply find a new object to use

But for now, a good dampening measure would be to just simply enforce the gun laws we currently have.  Judges are far too lenient. (See the felon who killed the cop in TX got 150k bail?)
I never said that the gun is the problem and we need to ban guns. It's the firing of guns by anyone holding the gun is the problem.

And the knife is not the problem, its the thrusting of the knife?

Come on.  If you are now saying the gun is not the problem, but the pulling of the trigger is.....  (pulling the trigger requires human input)... then why are you trying to fix the gun, and not the reason behind the trigger pull?

The gun will not fire without human intervention. You need to fix the human.
Right, the gun can't be fired without human interaction. Again, the problem comes from the gun ending up in the wrong hands. We, as humans, can't always control that.
231  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Solutions on: December 16, 2019, 12:57:11 AM
How will my ideas become solutions if no one wants to even try out my ideas?

What are your ideas for Gun Control and UBI?


They wont.  Because you still think the gun is the problem.
The problem is the person, the gun is an object or tool. Outlaw guns altogether and they'll kill each other with knifes. Before guns existed, lets say the 1400-1500's for example.... was there a lack of violence?  No, people killed each other with swords and rocks and spears.
The inherent problem is people and the raising of their children. Do you blame the dresser that falls over and kills the 2 year old kid, or the parent for not watching their kid when their climbing on the dresser ?

No matter how many ideas you come up with to alter/ban/abolish an inanimate object, human depravity will simply find a new object to use

But for now, a good dampening measure would be to just simply enforce the gun laws we currently have.  Judges are far too lenient. (See the felon who killed the cop in TX got 150k bail?)
I never said that the gun is the problem and we need to ban guns. It's the firing of guns by anyone holding the gun is the problem.
232  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Solutions on: December 16, 2019, 12:46:47 AM
Read the story again.  Only the second issue on that trail in a decade.  Not really a dangerous place with those statistics.  Two robberies in 10 years, along a scenic river jogging/biking trail used by hundreds daily.

Random bad stuff happens.

But either way, Your idea kills the man.

Who? The attacker? I say good riddance then. One less asshole to worry about.

No, the old man that had to defend himself. With your idea, he would been even more severely injured or even killed,
Maybe if he was riding with a friend, he wouldn't have been attacked at all.


So what now? Mandate no one can leave their house unless with a friend?

We're are talking about your cell phone gun IDEA.  Not societal rules/customs.  What does your gun do in this situation?  Or every other failure we've shown you
No, just more vigilant and use some common sense. Be street smart. Unfortunately that can't be taught in school.
233  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Solutions on: December 16, 2019, 12:37:00 AM
Do you even know how firearms work?
Nope. Just ideas swimming around in my head.
Right..

So, I would like to come from a standpoint assuming that you have good intentions, so I'm not going to get angry with you, but the path to hell is paved with... ...

Let me ask you one question..

How can you honestly be so steadfast in your opinion on something you admittedly know so very little about?
How can you be so sure of your position while knowing that you don't really know what you are even talking about? So sure of your argument you seem..
How?


I don't know for sure if my ideas will work. I'm just speculating. But, I know that everyone has not not heard of my ideas. But then again, I could be wrong.
234  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Solutions on: December 16, 2019, 12:24:33 AM
Read the story again.  Only the second issue on that trail in a decade.  Not really a dangerous place with those statistics.  Two robberies in 10 years, along a scenic river jogging/biking trail used by hundreds daily.

Random bad stuff happens.

But either way, Your idea kills the man.

Who? The attacker? I say good riddance then. One less asshole to worry about.

No, the old man that had to defend himself. With your idea, he would been even more severely injured or even killed,
Maybe if he was riding with a friend, he wouldn't have been attacked at all.
235  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Solutions on: December 16, 2019, 12:18:18 AM
....

I do, however, live in the real world where I don't have to worry about attacks from deer, Russians, or zombies. ...

How about you do what you want, and I'll do what I want?

Or what I think is best for my protection and that of my family?

Obviously, you've never encountered a hostile wild pig, a rabid dog, been involved in a carjacking, or many other real world things.

If you insist on trying to devise a scheme for others, who have other realities that yours, you will look foolish.
No, I haven't been involved in any of those things.

I just thought of solutions to some problems. I know that these solutions won't work for everyone but at least it's a start. I don't see any other solutions. Do you?

But, its not a solution.  It's an idea.  I applaud people coming up with ideas to solve a problem. But its not a solution until it's deemed to actually be able to solve the problem.  It's an idea, that will not work.  Scratch that plan, come up with a new idea
How will my ideas become solutions if no one wants to even try out my ideas?

What are your ideas for Gun Control and UBI?
236  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Solutions on: December 16, 2019, 12:06:47 AM
Read the story again.  Only the second issue on that trail in a decade.  Not really a dangerous place with those statistics.  Two robberies in 10 years, along a scenic river jogging/biking trail used by hundreds daily.

Random bad stuff happens.

But either way, Your idea kills the man.

Who? The attacker? I say good riddance then. One less asshole to worry about.
237  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Solutions on: December 15, 2019, 11:55:54 PM
....

I do, however, live in the real world where I don't have to worry about attacks from deer, Russians, or zombies. ...

How about you do what you want, and I'll do what I want?

Or what I think is best for my protection and that of my family?

Obviously, you've never encountered a hostile wild pig, a rabid dog, been involved in a carjacking, or many other real world things.

If you insist on trying to devise a scheme for others, who have other realities that yours, you will look foolish.
No, I haven't been involved in any of those things.

I just thought of solutions to some problems. I know that these solutions won't work for everyone but at least it's a start. I don't see any other solutions. Do you?
238  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Solutions on: December 15, 2019, 11:40:50 PM
Here's a local story I'm familiar with of EXACTLY why your idea will not work, and would've killed an innocent man. This trail he was riding on is remote and not easily accessible for cops, and never patrolled.

http://www2.readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=361731

A 65-year-old Reading man who was riding his bicycle was justified in shooting two teens - one fatally - who tried to rob him on a Schuylkill River trail as part of a crime spree, the Berks County district attorney said Thursday.

The teens, age 16 and 15, and another 15-year-old boy skipped school Wednesday and robbed two pedestrians in West Reading before they attacked the man as he rode on the Thun Trail in Cumru Township at 11 a.m., police said.

The man, whose name authorities withheld, will not be charged for shooting the teens because he acted in self-defense, which is legal under Pennsylvania's Castle Doctrine, District Attorney John T. Adams said.

"While I don't condone violence, the bike rider had no choice," Adams said. "It was justifiable homicide."

Julius Johnson, 16, of Reading was pronounced dead at the scene Wednesday morning after he was shot in his chest with a handgun, officials said.

An autopsy Thursday by Dr. Supriya Kuruvila, a forensic pathologist at Reading Hospital, determined Johnson died of a gunshot wound to the chest, according to the county coroner's office. The death was ruled a homicide, officials said.

The 15-year-old shot in the neck remained in Reading Hospital on Thursday, officials said. Information about his medical condition could not be obtained. Police did not release his name because he has not been charged.

The third teen, Michael Gonzalez, 15, address unavailable, was charged with robbery, aggravated assault and related offenses and committed to the county youth center in Bern Township.

Officials said an investigation continues.

Johnson was a Reading High School student, and the 15-year-olds are Gov. Mifflin High School students, Adams said.

Adams gave this account:

Johnson was on probation for previous offenses. Juvenile probation officers had gone to his Oakbrook residence earlier Wednesday and found the three teens playing video games.

They told the two 15-year-olds to leave. The officers put an electronic monitoring device on Johnson's ankle, ordered him to stay home and report to their office with his parents at 4 p.m.

Instead, the three met up and decided to jump and rob random victims.

They first robbed an elderly man in West Reading shortly after 10 a.m., taking money from his pockets, then tried to rob another man in West Reading, kneeing him in the stomach and pushing him to the ground. Neither man was hurt.

The bike rider was on the trail between Reading and West Reading.

As he rode past the teens, the 15-year-old whose name was not released punched the man in the face, knocking him from his bike. Johnson ran and kicked the man, who was sitting against a chain-link fence along the trail.

As one of the teens ran toward the man, he shot Johnson and the 15-year-old.

People who found the man called 9-1-1 and waited for police to arrive. It was unclear if the people heard the shots or were on the trail.

The teens weren't armed, but the shootings were legal because the man was unable to escape, thought his life was in danger and had a permit to carry his gun, Adams said.

The man told investigators: "I was scared for my life. I was in big trouble. If I could have kept my bike on the trail, I would have gotten out of there."

The man was unhurt but shaken by the shootings, Adams said.

Adams did not know if Johnson's monitoring device had GPS tracking capabilities or if it simply triggered an alarm when he left his home. Adams said juvenile probation officers acted appropriately.

Cumru Police Chief Jed Habecker credited his department for its quick investigation.

He said the crime was only the second robbery to occur along the Cumru section of the Thun Trail in about a decade.

Adams said he has heard from many people in the community that the bicyclist was a hero for successfully defending himself.

"When your life is in danger, you have no choice but to use deadly force," he said.

Contact Mike Urban: 610-371-5023 or murban@readingeagle.com.

Wow, that's one hell of a long ass story!

What if the guy who was attacked used a little common sense and didn't ride his bike in an area that wasn't patrolled by cops?

I know that some attacks can't be avoided no matter what you do. But the chances of being attacked can be reduced by using a little common sense and avoid those areas or riding with a friend.
239  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Solutions on: December 15, 2019, 11:18:07 PM
Why would anyone other than law enforcement need to fire their gun in public?

To shoot a deer?
To stop a criminal of many kinds?
To resist a Russian invasion?
To stop an attacking dog?
Zombies?
To resist tyrannical zombies?

Do you live in NYC where their is a cop on every corner or something? Because in the real world police aren't really there to save you..
Nope. I don't live in NYC where there's a cop on corner.

I do, however, live in the real world where I don't have to worry about attacks from deer, Russians, or zombies. I think that you need to stop watching too much tv lol
240  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Solutions on: December 15, 2019, 10:48:48 PM
Alright, lets try a different train of thought. Several people explained very common sense reasons why this will not work. So let's move on to a different angle.

Lets say it does work. You find someway to convince people to turn in 380million guns in the US, gun manufacturers to make 380million guns for free, and implement some Federal agency to oversee the program and authorize gun unlocks.
And we'll just forget about the thousands of people that die waiting for govt approval to defend themselves.
We just ignore all the impossibilities that have been logically laid out.

Congrats, you did it. Every gun in the US is rigged with your cell phone tech and is under govt control for use.

What happens when cell signals are blocked? Inside a tunnel. Inside a hospital. The toy section at walmart. In the state forest too far from a cell tower. During a natural disaster when all line are overwhelmed.

I live about an hour outside Philadelphia, and we still have huge dead zones out here.
What if the sky falls?

What part of firing your gun in a public place don't you understand? Why would anyone other than law enforcement need to fire their gun in public?
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