Fair enough, but then where is the correction point if there is a toping out somewhere around or beyond $150k, then does $100k end up serving as support or not?  And, how should a bitcoin HODLer treat your information (speculation of not too much resistance between $100k and $150k)?  I am not saying that I disagree with you, even though I consider matters a bit problematic when they become too specific and seemingly certain, especially in regards to the future.


You are not describing anything different from previous cycles.


Yes, of course markets tend to prefer certainty, so if we presume that the election (in 2 weeks ^tm) resolves some of the current uncertainty, then sure, I can go along with that thesis without even knowing the results beyond an anticipation that more certainty will be present after the election as compared to the level of certainty that exists prior to the election.

Right now there seems to be some expectations that Trump is the more likely winner, yet surely even that kinds of a potential outcome that is siding towards a certain level of certainty has to have some temperance when it might not be matched up with some level of actual concrete evidence.

I don't disagree with anything that you are saying, yet from what perspective are you speaking?  Have you already accumulated enough BTC or are you still accumulating BTC?

Surely, I presume that the overwhelming audience of this forum have not accumulated enough or more than enough BTC, so in that sense, the overwhelming suggestion is that any forum members should keep accumulating until they reach such status of enough accumulation or more than enough.

What to do becomes a bit more ambiguous for anyone who might be getting higher in regards to the amount of BTC that he has accumulated, so maybe those kinds of guys might just HODL or maybe from time to time buy on dips if there are dips that reach a sufficiently enough level.. otherwise they just might be just waiting and not really doing anything at these levels.. .not really buying and not really selling because we have largely been mostly between $55k and $74k since late February of this year.


I agree with that too... so anyone who has been accumulating BTC for less than a whole cycle or who might not have had front loaded his bitcoin investment may well have to just keep accumulating, and where we have been for the past 8-ish months should not decrease confidence in regards to where we might be going from here.


That is true.. Mostly likely there should be a need for a whole cycle or two if anyone might be scraping off much if any "profits" in the $100k territories, and gosh we likely have come accross quite a few forum members in the past who had been thinking that 2x - 5x profits were meaningful, and then they ended up selling too much BTC too soon.


I largely agree with you about this too, yet every cycle we end up witnessing folks selling way too many BTC too soon, when they get caught up upon adding another digit, just like you mentioned with too many selling too soon around $1k and also too many selling too soon around $10k...   though surely the first time we got to $10k there had not really been enough time for the buyers to catch up with the price, yet this time around, it seems that buyers have had plenty of chance to catch up with the price, namely, nearly 4 years.. hahahahaha.   We were around $64k in early 2021, so sure 3.5 years ago, and so we might consider our back and forth and our opportunities for the buyers to catch up to the price to be a 3.5 year process and so we shouldn't be having any fears of buyers to continue to buy, even if the BTC price might go up several times from here.. sure it is not guaranteed, yet it can surely be problematic for guys who think that they are smart and they sell too much too soon in anticipation to buying back cheaper, but the price goes the opposite direction of their expectations... yeah, surely no coiners, lowcoiners, bitcoin doubters (naysayers), shitcoin pumpers, fence sitters all are going to believe that some of us bitcoin HODLers are talking our book and bitcoin cannot go up and blah blah blah.. and I hardly give too many shits because I am o.k.. either way, yet a lot of them do not have coins or do not have enough coins, and they are too busy fucking around preparing for down (or fucking around with shitcoins or failing/refusing to buy bitcoin) rather than making sure that they have enough for up, just in case.. which is the nature of an asymmetric bet to the upside, you don't even have to have a lot of coin in order to be prepared for UP, but you are kind of fuck if you naysay bitcoin and you fail/refuse to prepare for up because you think you are smarter than everyone else in terms of your supposed (presumptive) understanding of king daddy and your presumptions that its upside is limited to some arbitrary numbers that you have in your head.


To me, it sounds like you are saying different things than me, including when you state that you are summarizing my ideas, so I just want to make sure that I point out that I believe that what you are saying does not sound the same as what I am saying.

i suppose that if you are citing what I said and then saying what you believe that I mean, then at least others would be able to verify your statements to figure out if we might be saying the same thing or similar things.

I am getting somewhat lost in terms of figuring out what I might be able to say that is an attempt to clarify what I am saying that seems to differ from what I believe that you are saying to summarize me.

Essentially, I will concede that guys who come to bitcoin with other investments are going to be in a different position as compared with guys who come to bitcoin and they have no other investments.

Generally, I prefer to start out our presumption that newbies coming to bitcoin do not have any other investments and/or maybe they might have some savings that they might be able to direct towards investing into bitcoin when they are starting out in their journey to build up their bitcoin investment.  So, in the beginning of any investor's journey, I am not presuming that they have any other investments to balance, and I am not even suggesting that they need to counter-balance their bitcoin investment with real assets, even though frequently, I will suggest that any newbie investing into bitcoin should be attempting to protect his investment into bitcoin by simultaneously building his emergency fund so that he never has to sell his bitcoin at any time that is not of his own choosing.  Emergency funds tend to be held in the kind of cash that is generally used to pay bills, so whatever might be the fiat of the area that a person pays expenses, even though surely there are some jurisdictions in which the fiat loses value so much that some people might prefer to hold their cash in dollars (or some dollar equivalent) rather than holding the cash in the form of their own fiat.  So I am not even suggesting that any kind of need to balance bitcoin investments with real assets, as you seem to be proclaiming to be my prior talking points.

Another thing I do frequently proclaim is that newbies should be attempting to individualize their investment into bitcoin in accordance with their 9 individual factors.

Once a person may have spent time building up his bitcoin investment and his emergency fund and other kinds of reserve funds, and then maybe the bitcoin investment might start to get close to or exceed a year's expenses, then maybe the person might consider balancing and/or diversifying into real assets, yet that is also optional as to when to start that kind of balancing and even how to go down such a balancing path, so I have never suggested any kind of need to balance with real assets and/or to even particularize which assets are good for balancing, except that I tend to suggest that investing into shitcoins is not necessary and also that traditional classifications of other categories of investable assets would be properties, equities, bonds, commodities and perhaps even business endeavors, yet none of those are mandatory areas that I had proclaimed to be necessary to balance a bitcoin investment beyond bitcoin and cash.. and surely anyone who invests long enough into bitcoin and ONLY has bitcoin and cash, may well start to figure out that it may well be in his interest to make sure that all of his investments are not ONLY in bitcoin and cash, yet I am not even suggesting that such balancing would be part of the earliest stages of bitcoin investing, except for people who had been able to front load their BTC investment and to get to higher levels of BTC investment faster than the overwhelming majority of folks who likely are going to need 1-2 cycles or more accumulating BTC before they might end starting to feel some needs to balance out their BTC investment with other assets (whether real or not).

By the way, your emphasis on "real" assets surely does not sound like something that I would proclaim to be necessary, since that makes me sound like some nutjob that believes gold has value because it is physical or even that houses have value because you can live in them and blah blah blah bullshit ideas that wouldn't be the kinds of proclamations that I would have had been making in recent times... or perhaps ever (in the past 10 years since I got into bitcoin).


Of course, within hours is a bit of an exaggeration, since even when there are considerable price bounces, or even going into areas of price discovery, some of the momentum usually will have to build up, yet going 50% or higher past our current ATH within days is not really out of the question, yet I would imagine that even from here (Mid $66ks) there would be a bit of resistance until we reach $74k-ish, and then there should be some resistance in the $80k-ish area and then there also should be some resistance before going above $100k, so perhaps some resistance from about $92k to $98k and even right at $100k.. but sometimes when the BTC price starts to go up like that in those seemingly crazy kinds of ways, the resistance disappears because the otherwise sellers will sometimes pull their sell orders with a kind of sense of futility to sell during periods that price discovery is happening and there are no really signs of short-term stopping points.. and that it becomes a bit futile to try to go against the momentum once the momentum starts happening...and we cannot always know when that is going to be and how much of a move causes fewer and fewer coins to be available and for sale at those prices.

At some point, even when the BTC price is shooting up, there ends up being pauses that may or may not be able to stop or reverse the UPpity momentum... yet even those pausing points are not always obvious in terms of their likely success to stop the BTC price from going up... so then at that point, guys who had sold too much too soon may well end up kicking themselves, and/or getting stubborn, and sometimes turning into bitter no coiners or bitter low coiners, when they could have had a different fate if they had not ended up selling too many of their corn too soon.

I am not going to proclaim to know when or if those kinds of times are coming to bitcoin in the near future, yet I have been through several of them in the past 10 years, and it surely is a tense kind of a feeling, and can be paralyzing even for guys who are mostly hanging onto our coins, we may well be getting nervous about how much our net worth is going up in such a short time (on paper), and we may well question whether and/or how much we might want to put those paper profits into cash or just let them ride...so some of us who might have thought that we had a plan may well end up modifying our plan in the midst or just otherwise going through tough deliberations about what to do.. which might even be more difficult for guys who are in their earliest of stages of BTC accumulation. since they already know that they don't have enough BTC, but they also don't want to sell any either, even though they might well sense that the current level of BTC price rises are not sustainable... but they still might not be sure about what to do, even if they might have already had a tentative plan, but at the same time, they are questioning their tentative plan.


If you are reading laijsica to be meaning that "real assets" is actually cash and emergency funds, then perhaps laijsica is saying similar things as me and other forum members if he is largely just referring to various kinds of back up funds rather than talking about real assets in terms of gold or physical property or some of those other kinds of understanding of real assets, since I surely have not been suggesting any kind of need to build or maintain investments in any other assets besides bitcoin and cash until such a point of time that they might get to a large enough size (such as 1 years of expenses) that it might start to make sense to branch out into other kinds of ways of holding value while still emphasizing the continued building of the bitcoin holdings... so yeah, if laijsica is referring to "real assets' to be cash, then we might be somewhat on the same page, even though the use of the term "real asset" is misleading if he considers cash to be a real asset rather than conventionally the term "real asset" refers to physical assets such as property, gold and maybe even equities in a company, which truly I would not consider those kinds of assets to be necessary for beginner bitcoiners, yet they might build up to a situation in which they might start to feel some needs to balance their bitcoin investment into other categories besides just bitcoin and cash.


The actual practice of DCAing likely existed prior to it receiving a name.. whether applying it to stocks or a farmer applying the principle to saving money in order to buy a cow...or various other kinds of applications, since surely investing in stocks was not as available to regular people in earlier years and surely bitcoin and even shitcoins have brought more and more opportunities for normal peeps to get involved into investing, which surely I would not suggest to invest into shitcoins, even though they have come available to normal people in ways that might have been much more difficult to get such access to areas of investment even 5 or 10 years ago (even though many of us would not consider shitcoins to reasonably fit into the category of "investment").

Of course, learning through the forum allows for more of an interactive process, as compared with just reading some information sources in other formats, so surely I don't mind interacting with members on the topic of this thread or my BTC Investment ideas thread that is also linked within the OP of this thread.  I consider my investment ideas thread to be touching upon the more basic ideas of BTC accumulation and more applicable to more people since the inspirations regarding why any of us might choose to invest into bitcoin as compared with other places that we can place time, energies and value might come through ideas that I attempt to discuss in my investment ideas thread,... so surely the investment ideas thread seems to have a potential to help guys to consider, plan and/or put into practice the accumulation of bitcoin and to potentially be able to focus on bitcoin accumulation rather than considering trading, gambling and/or the accumulation and/or fucking around with shitcoins.

This here sustainable withdrawal and/or portfolio maintenance thread may well be for those bitcoiners who have already mostly gotten through their BTC accumulation stages or who have already spent a decent amount of time accumulating BTC, so they might start to plan, consider and put into practice what they might be doing to either maintain their BTC holdings or to start to employ sustainable withdrawal practices (price based and/or time based), to the extent to which they might consider bitcoin as a long-term life-time investment, rather than an investment (or trade) that they might want to sell for dollars in shorter timelines (absent if they might have some age or health issues that might contribute to their having to sell their BTC rather than their considering and/or employing some kinds of sustainable withdrawal practices - like those discussed in this thread).

Absence some evidence to the contrary (or some affirmative statement to demonstrate otherwise), I tend to presume that an overwhelming majority of forum members are similarly situated as the vast majority of the world's population in which a vast majority are either early in their BTC accumulation phases or they still have not yet accumulated enough BTC or more than enough BTC, whether they are a low coiner or hopefully not a no coiner (even though there are some no coiner forum members participate in this forum too).  .. so anyhow, absent your having had already accumulated a decent amount of BTC (or telling me that's your status), my BTC investment ideas thread might be more appropriate for your particulars, unless you want to point out some of your own particulars or questions that might allow some consideration that this thread might be applicable to your situation.  Let me know, and surely I have no problem with any forum members interacting with the ideas of this thread or even posting questions or comments within the thread after decently long periods of no posting herein.. From my perspective the ideas are largely evergreen, even if I might have some changes in some of my ideas from time to time in regards to the applicability of some of the particulars.

Yeah.. I looked at the trailer link that you provided, and there was another point at about 1:20 into the trailer that the girl was pointing a gun at her phone, and so who knows if that particular rage was aimed at anything related to finances or if it was just some rage that merely came from some meaningless aspects of our social media interactions, which many of us could probably relate to those kind of rages in regards to information (communications) we might sometimes get through our phones. 

I cannot really tell why the seemingly main characters seem to be having such difficulties with each other and if money (or bitcoin or crypto) have anything to do with their difficulties to relate to one another or if there just might be some pent up inability to establish a relationship based on other random and/or not explained reasons.. so maybe the trailer served a purpose of creating curiosity in regards to what and/or why is there so much entertaining drama in regards to why they are having troubles "getting" or perhaps "staying" together.

In comparison to gold, bitcoin is winning MOAR bigger than gold, even if we start the measurement from 2012 rather than going to bitcoin's first few years of having little to no price... So even if we start bitcoin from $5 per coin in the beginning of 2012, it should be pretty fucking obvious that bitcoin has been kicking the shit out of gold, and any reasonable inference is that bitcoin continues to kick gold's ass and will likely kick gold's ass in the future.

So if you want to be a dumbass and consider gold to be either superior to bitcoin or even equal to bitcoin, then you can have fun staying poor if you choose to allocate in that kind of way or even if you choose to allocate anymore than 10% the size of your bitcoin holdings to gold, then you are quite likely failing/refusing to understand either bitcoin or gold, its current role in society and its likely future role in society... including that bitcoin is likely in the ballpark of 1,000x or more more valuable than gold in terms of its market cap and bitcoin currently has a market cap of about 1/15th the size of gold, so even if it might take 50-200 years or more for some kind of a reasonably more accurate reflection of the relative market caps of each (bitcoin and gold), you may well be uninformed and/or in a fantasyland if you continue to believe that currently gold is a good or even anywhere close to as good as bitcoin as an investment.


If EarnOnVictor is so dumb as to invest/trade in accordance with his dumbass proclamations, then surely he is going to be faced with a pretty damned high likelihood of having fun staying poor (relatively speaking).. Him and Peter Schiff.. to the extent that Schiff might also be investing in accordance with his proclamations of the supposed better value of gold versus the worser value of bitcoin.  Surely, some folks might not be so dumb as to actually invest (or trade) in accordance with their nonsensical (lacking in evidence/logic) proclamations.

Fair enough.


I am having some difficulties understanding or appreciating why I should need to look into the matter of my assessment of your statements beyond this thread and your posts in this thread.  Sure, I already have had a decent quantity of interactions with you beyond this thread in the past 10-ish years, yet it seems to me that I was not attempting to characterize you as a negative Nancy and/or overly critical except in regards to your various posts and your seeming staunch position that you have represented in this thread regarding the pushup thread, and perhaps I had been characterizing you as maniacal because you seem to be taking such a strong stance on a topic that should not matter so much to you in regards to a thread that has already been within the bitcoin speculation section for more than 8 months.. including that you have been insinuating the thread to be spamfest too, without even really reading the thread, which you admitted to both not reading it  and then ONLY doing a bit of a cursory review of a few of the more recent posts in order to come to an additional conclusion that the thread is not sufficiently related to BTC price speculation rather than being nearly exclusively about pushups and only impliedly abusive of calling itself a BTC speculation thread.. with purported negative affects on the forum and creating bad incentives for some members who are supposedly abusing the forum.


Without having to comply with your assignment that I read some of your referenced threads, I already recognize and appreciate that there are a lot of threads and a lot of posters who seem to be communicating in gobbledy-gook, so there are quite a few times that I am pondering what the hell some of the posts/members are trying to say within their posts, and are there just issues with poor English or perhaps there are issues in regards to some members hardly having anything of value to contribute within their posts.. So, it is not like I have not already come across a lot of those kinds of posts and threads, and sometimes I have worn myself out by attempting to read through some of those kinds of threads in an attempt to identify if there might be some substantively valuable and/or interesting posts contained therein.


No problem with your assessment, yet you seem to be lumping the pushup thread within the same category of shit threads and/or spam-ladened threads, which surely my being a part of that thread causes me to question your seemingly rash assessment of the pushup's thread.  Sure, maybe it is the case that 80-90% of the time we are talking about pushups rather than the BTC price, yet it still seems to be me that the overall motivation of the thread relates to the BTC price and some ideas throughout various parts of the bitcoin maximalist threads in the broader BTC community related to attempting to connect the doing of daily pushups to bitcoin and/or to the BTC price.

Sure, there are also several elements that are somewhat stupid, lame and even superstitious to proclaim that getting more guys (and perhaps a gal or two) to do pushups as a way to contribute to the BTC price going to $100k more quickly than it otherwise do, and perhaps I even agree with you that the connection of the thread to price speculation might not be a very strong one, even though it is quite likely that very few of the forum's members would have had gotten involved in the thread if it were not in the bitcoin speculation section of the forum, even if some of the forum members might have further motives of getting paid for their signature posts and even if some of the members might be abusing their signature posts, which seems more of a policing matter for signature campaign managers rather than some kind of a forum-wide problem to allow that thread to remain in the bitcoin speculation section of the forum... which of course is also a discretionary matter for forum administrators, and I am not even proclaiming that they are necessarily going to be correct in their categorization decisions, yet they have rights and abilities to exercise discretion in regards to some of these matters that might be able to be called in either direction...and forum members are not always going to agree or to be happy with some of their categorization decisions.... I recall some threads on having a separate area for privacy/security that a lot of members agree to be a good thing, yet it seems that to date, forum administrators have not agreed to create such separate area of the forum.


It could be the case that I had been exaggerating my point to call you names, yet still I doubt that I am calling you a negative nancy in all aspects or even proclaiming you to be unreasonable in other areas merely because I am proclaiming you to be on the wrong side on this matter since I am on the other side of it, at least at the moment... so I see no reason to read further into the matter in terms of our being on different sides of this particular issue and perhaps my attempts to exaggerate my side of the argument (on this issue and within this thread) in order to say that you are wrong and I am right... and perhaps I am not even that attached to my position either in terms of how attached I am to the pushups thread staying where it is rather than moving it merely based on a bunch of whiners that seem to be riled up by Don Pedro and several others jump on board, including you and some others who might merely be OgNasty haters.. .and surely, I am not much of a fan of OgNasty, even though he seems to have been mostly "behaving himself" (if such a thing is even possible?) in the pushups thread. hahahahaha to the extent that it even matters in regard to some of the objections to the thread being about him.


You seem to be making an assessment of shitposting in the forum overall rather than focusing on what is happening in the pushup's thread.  Sure, there are some gobbledy-gook posts in the pushups thread, yet it seems to become more difficult to have gobbledy-gook posts when we are largely talking about pushups and the BTC price, so I doubt that there are very many posts within that thread that deviate very much from the topic, even though surely there are going to be times in which any thread deviates and there might be some questions regarding how related the posts are to the thread and the extent to which the posts need to be reigned in or the member might need to be questioned in regards to his attempts at derailing the thread or merely posting to get signature campaign credit.

By the way, if you happen to be mostly a bitcoin HODLer who is benefiting from the BTC price going up and/or not going down, then it seems to me that you and those similarly situated to you should be thanking the various pushers around the world, whether in the forum's pushup thread or in other parts of the social-media space to have had been doing these proof of work (and quite difficult to sustain) pushups that have likely contributed to the BTC price staying up and failing/refusing to dip beyond certain levels.. so even if we have not quite yet achieved our goal of at least $100k per coin, there may well have had been some ongoing uppity pressures on the BTC price to make it much more difficult for the BTC price to correct as far as it would have otherwise have had corrected absent the various pushers in the pushup thread and/or in other places around the social media space (and in the real world) constituting bitcoinlandia.    You can thank us (royal me) later.  


It seems to me that bitcoin is open to anyone.. friends and enemies, which would include fit people and fat people, and surely pushups do provide an avenue to attempt to improve oneself, yet surely pushups are completely voluntary, and there are going to be some bitcoiners who are neither able to do pushups and/or who might not be in a health position to be able to engage in such activity.

Of course, in the thread, I had mentioned to BitcoinGirl.Club that he should attempt to try to get to at least 10 pushups per day to get included into the pushups' table, yet DirtyKeyboard's pushup script does not currently exclude members based on the number of pushups that they are reporting, so long as they report their pushups within the recognized pushup report format that the script reads.  Sure there are some criteria for how the script reads the pushup report format, yet DirtyKeyboard seems to have customized the script to cause it to be fairly liberal in regards to some of the common pushup report format mistakes that some of the forum members had been making, so it seems several members have gotten pretty good at submitting their pushup reports in such a way that the script will put the correct (or intended correct) information into the daily pushup tables that have been being published at around midnight each day (UTC time).


You seem to not recognize and/or appreciate that the pushup thread is not merely about pushups and/or showing off supposed physical prowess, and so if there are any whining haters in regards to the topic of the place of pushups in connection to bitcoin, you might as well look in the mirror since you seem to not even know what the pushup thread is about an you seem to be too busy reading your own seemingly narrow/hater ideas into the pushups thread... almost like a shitcoiner who cannot figure out the difference between bitcoin and shitcoins, even though he has enough ideas about each to make him dangerous when he tries to act like he knows everything and lets his ego get in the way of his understanding of how bitcoin differs from shitcoins, just like the pushups thread differs from mere pushups and differs from ideas of physical fitness and prowess too, since the topic of pushups within that thread is being propagated in the context of bitcoin ideas and bitcoin price speculation, such as the hopes of many of the regular pushup participants that bitcoin gets to $100k as soon as possible so that we (they) will have the option to stop doing pushups and proclaim that our mission has been accomplished.


You can spin the matter however you like, you little hater, Don Pedro, even if there may well be some joking matters to make the pushups' subject light and/or fun, in the whole scheme of things, being able to do pushups regularly (and in reality rather than just in theory) is no joking matter, whether guys (and perhaps a gal or two) choose to do 100 pushups per day and every single day or chooses some other variation of pushups that might not be quite 100 pushups per day.....including that it seems that there had been quite a few forum members who either dropped out of participation in the pushups' thread, and some of them even came back and admitted that either doing pushups is too difficult and/or that they had expected the BTC price to go to $100k more quickly than it has been playing out in the real world (up until now).   There are also several of us, including those of us who seem to have had been doing pushups every single day for several months in a row, who have been proclaiming that we are not sure if we are able to continue doing pushups since some of us had presumed that the BTC price was going to reach $100k much sooner and that many of us thought that the BTC price would have had already reached $100k, so in some sense, the commitment to doing pushups every single day had become a greater commitment than many of us had already speculated to be possible, while at the same time, resolve to continue to do pushups every single day can be brought into question, including that sometimes there could be suggestions that some members cut down on their quantity of daily pushups in order to continue to do them on a daily basis rather than to stop doing them completely... and none of this is easy, just like HODLing bitcoin is not easy, either.. for any of us who actually know about the temptations that HODLers frequently face.


I am not sure if I should take that as a compliment or not, even though surely you are saying it as if it were a negative characteristic of yours truly.  I might have to ponder a bit further upon the idea.


Yes.  Really.  It should be pretty damned obvious to anyone attempting to assess the matter in a somewhat objective way, which you seem to be challenged to engage in any kind of objective analysis... at least from what I have seen of your posts in recent times.  Note I have not chosen to review other posts in your posting history to attempt to verify if you might have some analytical abilities that are better than the ones that you have been showing in some of your recent posts related to the pushup thread topic.


My point is that our pushup thread is not just about pushups, so even if the thread that you pointed out is in fact superior in the context of doing pushups, which surely is possible, if the programme is not including bitcoin into the topic or the context of doing pushups in regards to aspiring that the BTC price goes to $100k, which is the context of the forum's pushup thread, then that topic might relate to the pushup's thread, but it is not the same as the pushup's thread since we are engaging in our pushups in a kind of forum community way and also in a context of a broader bitcoin community kind of way that retains bitcoin and bitcoin prices within the context of doing the pushups, so surely there is a bit of a unique dynamic in which many of us forum members are engaged in the creation of new content and even perhaps a new kind of culture around pushups as they relate to bitcoin, and we can even voluntarily choose to have our daily results memorialized through having a place on the daily pushups table too, whether we do hundreds of pushups per day or we do ONLY in the ballpark of 4 pushups per day - even though personally, I would prefer that DirtyKeyboard's script be customized to not allow any pushup results (pushers) to be included in the table unless they have at least an average of 10 pushups per day.  

My idea is something like anyone is allowed to participate in the thread, yet if any member wants their pushup results to be included into the daily pushup table, then they need to submit pushup reports that show on average of at least 10 pushups per day.  Of course, I am just one idea and surely, since DirtyKeyboard is writing and amending the script from time to time, he is ultimately the one who decides the extent to which such script language is something that he would prefer to include, and in the end, I am not really that attached to my idea in terms of my thoughts that the script and the daily publishing of pushups at midnight UTC every day is already amazing and quite beyond what many of us had expected to come out of our ongoing participation in the pushups thread for the past many months, including that the pushup's table was not even a part of the thread until a couple of months into the thread already being active, so the pushup table brought an additional dynamic to the thread, and surely increased the number of posts in the thread too, merely from the various kinds of back and forth ideas regarding what should be in the pushups table, how members should format their pushup reports and also just the daily posting of such table (that has turned into two tables for active versus inactive pushers).


I am glad that you consider yourself to be in such a rational/science world, even though your own recent actions/posts on this particular topic have not been reflecting very well upon your own assertions in regards to which world you claim to fit.  Of course, you realize that part of the point that already made is that there likely needs to be some experiences to help any kind of rationality and science to make more sense, including many folks (including bitcoiners) might have some troubles with theoretical applications of math and/or logic, so it well could be the case that some bitcoiners are going to be able to develop better ideas and understanding in regards to how bitcoin holding and/or bitcoin accumulation fits into the real world when they are able to relate how being a bitcoiner can relate to doing pushups.  For sure, different strokes for different folks in terms of how we might learn and how we might attempt to engage and to better inform ourselves about any topic, whether we are referring to bitcoin, pushups and/or other topics.


One of the great things about the pushup thread being voluntary is that you don't need to participate, especially if you consider doing pushups to be dumb and doing pushups to not be related to bitcoin and/or to the bitcoin price.  You have your right to differ in your opinion and also to proclaim that such things are not related and/or cannot be related, and other forum members can disagree with you about that.  

From my perspective, you seem to be wanting to impose your own ideas and/or practices onto others rather than accepting that there are various other ways of viewing the world and various other practices that take place in the world, and the mere fact that you don't agree with those other ideas and/or practices does not necessarily make the ideas/practices stupid, even though you have the right to proclaim them to be stupid, whether you are correct or not.


Your choice. I am not proclaiming to be stronger and/or more fit than any other forum member, even if I have been posting that I have been doing pushups every day for the past 262 days (I have not posted my latest update, so today will be my 262 day doing pushups every day).  

Surely guys are going to vary in their opinions on the topic of daily pushups, how pushups might relate to the bitcoin price, and even how to do pushups or how many pushups to do on a daily basis.  Guys might even disagree whether daily pushups are necessary or beneficial or if some other period of time might be beneficial.  Actually there are other guys in the thread who agree and/or disagree about how many pushup sets to do in a day or how many pushups to do in a set, whether to do the pushups fast or slow or the extent to which form matters or modifying pushups to make them easier or more difficult.

So, many of us might not agree on the ways to do pushups, why we are doing pushups or even whether doing pushups affect the bitcoin price and/or abilities to hold pushups or to buy more bitcoin or helps to psych ourselves into not selling our bitcoins or to convince us not to get involved in shitcoins.  Guys are going to vary in regards to how the view the pushups that they are doing within their participation in that pushups thread.


Even if you might be amongst the smartest of people in world in regards to physical fitness and how pushups as compared with other possible exercises might fit into such possible objectives, you also seem to be fairly easily distracted into your own fantasy in regards to relevancy of physical fitness into the pushups thread, and to me, it seems pretty apparent that the pushup thread is not merely about muscle growth, even though surely there may well be some guys who are participating in the pushups' thread who ONLY have that focus in terms of their own priorities.  

There have been several points throughout the pushup thread in which I had mentioned that pushups will tend to be more of a resistance type of training rather than being considered as a cardio kind of training, and so as we get older (perhaps once we get in our late thirties or even into our 40s), it becomes more and more difficult to build and/or maintain muscle mass, so surely doing pushups seem that they could be helpful in regards to either building muscle mass or possibly to help folks with some possible prevention (and/or mitigation) of the loss of muscle mass as they are getting older.  

So, yeah, if some of us are choosing to do pushups within a context of anticipating the BTC price to go up to $100k, then we likely could be sucked into a habit of doing pushups that ends up benefiting us in more than one way in regards to our own health or our own activity(ies) level.  

Surely there could be some guys who might conclude that they don't want to participate in the pushup thread because they consider that there are better ways that they can work on and improve their physical fitness and/or health, and they purposefully state that they are against the idea of doing pushups, and surely there have been guys who have come to the pushup thread and chimed into the pushups' thread to make such assertions and to me it seems that those kinds of guys have mostly discontinued their participation in posting in that thread, so perhaps you happen to be speaking on the behalf of (representing) some of the forum members who are of the belief that there are better ways to achieve physical fitness, if that might happen to be one of the goals of some of the forum members who may or may not want to consider their participation in the pushup thread to be beneficial to their own health.. whether some of them might have consider the pushup subject matter related to the BTC price or to BTC price speculation or not.


Currently there are 75 forum members who are included in the daily pushups table, and as far as I know, none of those forum members have been removed from the pushup table once their name is on the pushup table, even if they do not submit an updated pushup report within the past 30 days, their name will be moved from the active to the inactive table, yet their number still counts towards the total of 75 members on the table.

There have been several forum members also who have chimed into that thread and who stated that they did some pushups in the spirit of the thread, yet if they did not write their results in the proper format of a pushup report that could be readable by DirtyKeyboard's script, then their results would not have had been included into the table.

So I will surmise that perhaps somewhere in the ballpark of 100 forum members have chimed into the pushup thread and proclaimed that they are doing pushups in the spirit of participating in the thread and participating in the idea of doing pushups in hope that the BTC price rises to $100k soonish^tm.   99.9% fake means that less than 1 person has actually done any actual pushups in the real world.  That is quite the extraordinary claim if I say so myself.

Surely, you don't help your own credibility when you represent that 99.9% of the claims are made up... but then maybe you could be redeemed since you are narrowing down your claim to assert that the "regular" participants in that thread are the ones who are not doing any actual pushups.. 99.9% of them (us).  Even if some of us might be jaded, skeptical, conspiracy theorists, negative Nancy(ies) or whatever, it seems a bit outrageous to proclaim that 99.9% of the regular participants of that thread are just making shit up, at least in regards to their own real world doing of some variation of the activities they (we) claim to be doing.

You likely need to revise your own numbers if you actually believe the bullshit that you are proclaiming to be some kind of a fair representation of what is happening in the thread and how the thread relates to real world activities, as if you have shown that you seem to have hardly any clue about what is real versus what is fake in the first place.

By the way, I will assert also that my own representation that you are so damned full of shit that it is hardly even funny (even though maybe it is a bit funny how much forum members devolve into exaggerating when they are trying to make some lame-ass point) creates no obligation for me or any other pushup thread participant to actually prove to anyone that they are actually doing any of the pushups that they are claiming to do.  I will also proclaim that even with no ability to prove that pushup participating members are doing the pushups that they claim to be doing, there still are likely a decent amount of forum members actually doing the pushups that they claim to be doing.. perhaps even greater than 50% of the members on the pushup table and/or who have otherwise chimed into the thread and represented that they had done a certain quantity of pushups in the real world whether they claimed to have had done one pushup or claimed to have had done many multiples and/or magnitudes greater than 1 pushup.

In other words, you (and the other claiming that forum members are largely just making shit up) can fuck off with your outrageous pie in the sky (lacking of evidence) claims that no pushups (or hardly any) real world pushups are actually being done in light of the inspirations of the current 180-ish pages of the pushups thread.  My own chest, shoulders, arms, neck, toes, other body parts and even overall body frequently hurts to remind me and to help me to figure out that some guy(s) are likely doing actual real world pushups rather than just making shit up as you are proclaiming, and also I think that I have some confidence that I am not living in a complete fucking illusion in terms of being able to count on some forum members (besides only me) being actual real life people who are engaging in real life and real world physically material activities, including that each and everyone of the real world guys are going to end up dead some day (since death is one of the things that real people can count on happening some day), and surely it seems that pushups could be more helpful to the living of real life guys in a longer life as compared with not doing such pushups, even if they might have had been inspired to do their real life pushups by forum members who might not have had been real life guys (and a gal or two) doing such pushups and even if pushups end up having no actual real world effect on BTC price or BTC prices getting to $100k faster by various forum members doing pushups (or claiming to do pushups) as contrasted with not doing the pushups and/or not claiming to do pushups.

We have also talked about proof of pushups in the thread, so it is not like a mystery topic, and surely even that topic can relate to bitcoin as well, since we can contrast proof of work (in the context of bitcoin) to proof of work in the context of pushups, and surely several of us have even discussed the possibility of meeting up in the real world and then whether or not we might feel some kind of a need to show proof of pushups, and I have actually heard of some guys (in podcast discussions) mentioning that they had ended up engaging in real world pushups in order to help lend some credibility to their actually being able to do pushups to even establish that they have some credibility to their claims of doing pushups on a daily basis.  I cannot remember the exact podcast that I came across such discussion, yet for some reason Ben Perrin from BTC Sessions is coming to mind as the guy who was talking about guys (perhaps himself) doing real world pushups to help to establish that they really are doing pushups as they claim to be doing (here's one of his latest podcast episodes).


The pushups' thread is arguably close to as much fun (if perhaps even more funner) than carving bitcoin-related pumpkins  although either activity has its benefits and/or its dangers. #justsaying

Maybe next year consider the possibility that the carving of pumpkins might contribute towards bitcoin's price direction, even though I probably would argue that it is much more difficult to establish some kind of a daily activity out of the carving of pumpkins as compared with doing pushups on a daily basis (or perhaps less than daily basis for some folks).

I don't really disagree with anything you said - yet at the same time, part of the reason that any shitcoin or any other technology to really contribute in a way to throw bitcoin out of its place has to be 10x better, since bitcoin invented something (or discovered) in such a way that such a thing had not been possible previously, and in that case the paradigm had been shifted by a new thing being possible that had previously not been possible, which is that bitcoin brought forth a system of transferring both information and value at the same time with ways of verifying it in a way that there was no way to copy the value.. and so yes solving the double spend problem in several quite ingenious ways.. and establishing itself as a protocol layer kind of a change in which other systems can build upon it, yet if there were a desire to actually change the protocol, then such change would be required to be 10x better  in order to inspire moving from bitcoin to the new protocol... no shitcoins have shown themselves even close to being able to inspire moving over to them from bitcoin.

I am glad that you got pleasures out of my word choice.


O.k..  So you are suggesting that the posting of "walls of text" that have been assessed by you to be "massive" is a sign of a member being maniacal so that you would not be maniacal, yet I would be?

Sure.. fine.. whatever.

I am starting to recognize/appreciate your humor.

My suggestion that you were being maniacal relates to your seeming desire to argue that the pushups thread is not appropriate in the bitcoin speculation's category, and to proclaim as if such conclusion were "obvious."


It is possible that members (including myself) might continue to participate in the thread, even if it were moved to off-topic, yet I doubt that I would have participated in such thread in the first place if it had not been connected with bitcoin and bitcoin speculation.


You said that you were not worried about merits, yet now you seem that you are concerned about some members undeservedly getting paid for signatures.

I thought that some signature campaigns could choose to not pay their participants if they are posting in non-substantive and/or spammy ways?

You already did suggest that the forum is spam laden, so then you are also trying to proclaim that the pushup thread is spam-laden too? 

You largely already admitted that you barely read the thread, except perhaps recently you read a few of the recently past pages.

When you had your bot read the pushups thread for you, did you bot conclude that the pushups thread is heavily laden by spam posts?  What kind of numbers did it give you?  Perhaps greater than 10% of the posts are spam-related or some other quantity?  What would make a forum or a thread "spam laden?"  #asking for a friend


You are giving me homework.  At this moment, I have enough things on my plate.  Perhaps you might have some highlights that you would like me to read or a link?  How much homework would you like me to perform in order to better "inform myself" about what is going around here in relation to my assertions of your "negative Nancy-ism."
 

I have read quite a few forum threads through the years.  Why can't we just stick with my already achieved work product rather than giving me more assignments?  Do you have any particular thread(s) that you would like to point out to me?  It seems that I already got the general tenor of this place after nearly 11 years being around here.. (similar to you).

Have you ever considered that people will see the world differently based on a variety of experiential factors?  and maybe even genetic factors?  (nature versus nurture questions)..

Even if we read the same threads, we might not come to the same conclusions.  Anyhow, I think we are getting a bit astray in your wanting to argue for some kind of reconsideration of how threads are classified and/or perhaps if threads might need to move in order to help to make this place better, if that is what you might be attempting to suggest as your goal in regards to the current placement of the pushups thread.


It seems to me that many of us active thread participants might not even realize the extent to which we may or may not have had participated in the pushups thread if the thread had not retained some kind of a connection to bitcoin and/or speculation about bitcoin going to $100k in some kind of a soon-ish timeline.   I am pretty sure that I would not have participated in that thread if it had not been connected with bitcoin and/or bitcoin price speculation.

Not a bad thing to have some additional pushers, so maybe some of us might start wishing that the price does not go up too fast - otherwise, we might not make the 100+ pushers prior to the price reaching $100k.

There has been science and math to support that more pushers equal more pushups and therefore higher prices, just like Satoshi had proclaimed.  


Make it so:





I have my doubts about any chests touching the floor since that might end up screwing up form for eigther too much slouching or maybe even going lower than necessary for the pushup to count.

I was recalling that there might have been some proclamations that if another person put their fist right where the chest is coming down, then the pushups would go to the level that the chest would touch the fist.. so the lowest level of the chest would end up being around a few inches from the floor.

I am not even a "far head" snob, especially since I have had plenty of pushups in which my far head was touching the floor upon the lowest pushup point, and I think that form can still be kept even if the far head might touch the floor.


I started the slow challenge because it seems almost too difficult to do pushups slower than 2 seconds per pushup and OgNasty was stating that he was doing 4-5 seconds per pushup, which seems almost impossible, except elite athletes (or otherwise freaks of nature) to be able to accomplish anything close to that level of slowness of pushups, especially if we are talking about doing around 50 pushups in a set.

I am going to try this "one set per day" slow for a while, and then see how it goes.  I don't really like doing the pushups slow like that, yet if it is just one out of 5 sets per day that end up fitting into such "slow" category, then maybe I can just experiment with that and see how it goes.

By the way today, I thought that I was going slower than yesterday, and I ended up getting 30 pushups in 68 seconds, and gosh that hurt, but it also caused me to question if I had measured my yesterday 25 pushups in 75 seconds correctly.

If I keep doing them, then I will get a sense for what might seem reasonably within the realm of accomplishable for normies, including myself somewhat as a normie, yet also a normie who is so psycho to have had been doing pushups every day for 261 days and also feeling plateaus that are likely somewhat age-based too.. even though I see several younger and seemingly athletic guys participating in this thread but not ready, willing and/or able to continue to do daily pushups.


I don't really like them.  They are  too hard.. I suppose that is why they are called diamonds, but also since "diamonds are a girl's best friend," there's gotta be some relationship to price.


I know that I had personally suggested that every once in a while you might want to try for quantity over quality and see how that works out for you and if you are able to get into the 30, 40, 50 or higher territory for quantity.. maybe once a week or something to include a quantity over quality day just to see how it goes in terms of shooting for those higher number of pushups per set.

By the way, the more I think about it, those pushup naysaying guys (pushup thread haters) proclaiming doing pushups is easy, blah blah blah, we have so many examples of guys who are not able to even do pushups for a whole 30 days in a row without giving up or some excuse coming up.  it is not easy to actually do the pushups every single day, and yeah sure we cheat and misstate our results, yet when push comes to shove, are we doing the pushups or not... We know whether we are doing them or not, and yeah, results and/or consequences are going to vary... similar to our figuring out how to accumulate BTC and whether we do it or not is not going to be known, yet when push comes to shove, years down the road, we either have the BTC that we thought we were purchasing or we don't.


Surely there are trade-offs between fast and slow, and fast does have a higher likelihood to trigger cardio.. yet also slow has ways to trigger better form and also just the kind of muscle growth that relates to the building of overall muscle strength.

I am not proclaiming that both cardio and muscle strength might not be achieved with either slow or fast, yet each of them emphasize the development of slightly different things.


For sure, slow is more difficult too... I mean doing 2-3 or even 4 second pushups might cause a guy to only be able to do 1/2 or even 1/3 the quantity of pushups if he were to do 1 second pushups or even faster than 1 second pushups.  Form might also become really sloppy if the pushups are really fast.. such as half a second per pushup.


We could choose to do fast and slow within the same set too.. for example, maybe do 20 pushups fast, and then slow down and start to go really slow for the last 5-10 pushups.


Keep doing pushups and for sure our chances of going to $100k increase.. it is a kind of subliminal energy force that forces the hands of king daddy... which surely power meets power.  hahahahaha


You sound like such a bear.

 

From my reading, you are suggesting that the Bitcoin price is going to wait until late January before reaching $100k.

 

You better not ruin our luck, yet on the optimistic side of this, since historically you have tended to serve as such a reverse indicator, I am pretty sure that dee cornz is not going to be meaningfully affected by the pace that yoiu have chosen to work towards 100 pushups in a day.


Fair enough.  I largely said my piece, and even if you are quite out of shape, there are modified pushups too..  Either do them from your knees or do them at an incline (or on the stairs as Philip has been doing).

Of course, in the end, each of us has to find our level, and surely if you are able to continue on a daily basis for quite a long time, or unti BTC prices reach $100k (without injuring yourself), then you are likely to experience improvements, even if you might also suffer some soreness and overall tiredness along the way while your body is getting used to the added activity... and I am not even suggesting that any of us are going to become spring chickens or to become all powerful from doing daily pushups since sometimes we might even have to sacrifice some other kinds of activities just so we are going to be able to actually carry out pushups, just like when we are choosing to prioritize the ongoing purchase of bitcoin, sometimes we might have to trade off to buy bitcoin from other things that we would have had otherwise purchased, in order to buy bitcoin on a regular basis.


For sure, daily repetition of anything gives a greater alertness to it, including that whether we perform fast or slow pushups or even combine them, we are more likely to learn our limitations when we are doing them daily...and even to get some senses of areas in which we might be improving or maybe we also could end up in periods of feeling stagnation, too.

Perhaps you are not doing it on purpose, but you are frequently misstating my prior assertions.  Perhaps you are mixing me up with someone else or not reading what I have been saying correctly?   

There surely are needs to balance BTC investment amounts with our abilities to make sure that we are able to cover our expenses and to make sure that we are spending from disposable/discretionary income in the arena that we are not going to expect to need that money that has been invested into bitcoin for 4-10 years or longer.


You have not even been registered on the forum for a whole year, so are you referring to yourself or your anticipation of what you might feel or in terms of trying to empathize with BTC accumulators/holders who are in their earliest of stages of accumulating BTC?

You have to figure out how are you going to deal with the whole matter of an anticipated bullrun?  Are you going to try to trade or invest?  Are you afraid that you cannot keep accumulating bitcoin if the price goes shooting up?  Well if you have already accumulated BTC then you are also faced with the decision to keep holding or to sell.  yes.. historically  a lot of guys (perhaps especially newbies) end up selling too much too soon and/or engaging in other kinds of fucking around trying to time the market based on anticipated BTC price moves.

I cannot exactly tell you what to do in regards to your bitcoin accumulation, even though I consider one of the best of practices is for a newbie bitcoin investors who consider themselves to be in their early BTC accumulation phase to try to spend a lot of time focusing on accumulating bitcoin for at least a whole 4-year cycle before worrying about whether to change his emphasis, and from my point of view BTC accumulation has to deal with mostly DCA, lump sum buying and buying on dips, and not selling and not waiting, and most of the emphasis of a newbie should most likely be DCA, even though surely some newbies might be able to do some front loading of their BTC investment through various kinds of lump summing by money that they have from the start or maybe that they sometimes receive extra money through the year that they can choose to invest into bitcoin with that extra money in the form of lump sum, DCA and/or buying on dips.

Generally, speaking I cannot help you, since I cannot know how much bitcoin you might need before you start to feel that you have enough or more than enough and that you are not making mistakes in your own assessments in regards to the size of your BTC stash and how much you need.  It tends to take a decently long time to both accumulate BTC and also to figure out how to accurately assess how much BTC that you need or how much that you believe that you need.  One of the frameworks of assessing how much is enough would be to attempt to account for your yearly expenses and then also to account for the extent to which you might increase your yearly expenses or how they might increase from the mere ongoing debasement of the dollar (or other fiats).  You may well be able to reach assessments to how much is enough and perhaps how much extra cushion that you might need in order to consider if you might start to change your strategies away from more strictly just accumulating bitcoin on an ongoing, consistent and persisten basis.


Sure. More bitcoin helps to provide you with a cushion, and so any of us who have been spending a decent amount of time and efforts accumulating bitcoin gain more and more confidence as our bitcoin stash grows, yet we still likely need to assess how much BTC would be enough... and surely it is not necessarily an all or nothing proposition, since we are even more empowered by having more bitcoin even when we might still be a decently long way away from reaching our BTC accumulation target(s).


When you talk about your short-term profits or that you are considering short-term profit potential, then you sound way more like a trader rather than investor, and are you merely trying to get dollar profits since the dollar actually does not tend to hold its value very well.


I think that you are goofy and perhaps making shit up, since DCA is always effective, and frequently DCA is the ONLY available choice.

Sure, anyone who has some lump sum amounts that they can invest into bitcoin has more options than peeps who do not have such lump sum, and if we look back at the BTC price, frequently it is going to be better to do lump sum, especially on the dips or during the times that the BTC price is low, yet at the same time, when we are in the middle of BTC price movements, we ONLY have the options available to us, which may well be that we do not have lump sum options, so in that sense DCA is going to be the preferred way to go forward, whether we look historically or we look at right now.

There is no need to make shit up about DCA and to act as if DCA were some kind of a new, innovative phenomena.. since DCA has been available for hundreds of years, even if some folks might not have called the way they were investing as DCA.


Sure.. DCA is still good and sure, the sooner we start investing in bitcoin, then likely we will be advantaged by getting started sooner rather than later, even though there are no guarantees in regards to today's BTC prices being cheaper than at some various points in the future.

There is no problem analyzing your profits  and considering what you are doing in regards to ongoing stashing of bitcoin, yet it still does not seem very productive to be getting very worked up or focused upon the extent to which you are in profits or not for a cycle or two, unless maybe you had been able to front-load your BTC investment, which truely does not seem to be the case for a lot of folks getting into bitcoin.  Even the front-loaders may well take some time to continue to build up their BTC investment, unless they happen to be quite old, have health issues or have some other reasons to have a shorter end bitcoin investment timeline.


From my perspective, seems a bit dumb to be deciding whatever it is that you are going to do based on market sentiment, and so that chart and even measurement seems largely irrelevant, except perhaps for entertainment and/or diversion purposes.

in other words, guys should be figuring out their BTC accumulation position based on how much they have and whether it is enough rather than figuring out largely irrelevant details regarding how others are feeling and how those feelings may or may not end up affecting the BTC price.

For example, lookin at your own forum registration date, if you had been accumulating $100 worth of BTC, no matter the sentiment, between the time of your forum registration until present, you would have had invested around $43k into bitcoin and you would have accumulated around 8.7018 BTC (a spot value of $586.5k (13.64x) and a 200-WMA value of nearly $350k (8.14x)), and so you would be in a pretty decent place.  I hope that whatever you are doing and have been doing in regards to assessing BTC market sentiment has at least allowed you to at least do as well as if you had been continuously buying BTC in the past 8+ years.

I have some trouble understanding why you feel some kind of a need to use the term/category cryptocurrency and to put bitcoin within that, even though surely this thread is about bitcoin.

Bitcoin is likely amongst the best of investments available on a widespread basis to anyone, whether we are talking about cryptocurrencies or not.

Surely one of the difficulties with any investing is that there is a need for discretionary income before investing even makes sense.. so a person needs discretionary income and also needs to be able to dedicate holding bitcoin for 4-10 years or longer in order to be investing rather than gambling.

if you want to talk about crypotcurrencies and/or a sector that involves digital assets and a variety of shitcoins, bitcoin is the leader in that sector, yet it is not just the leader for the mere sake of it being the leader, and if you want to get some kinds of ideas regarding why bitcoin is the leader in that sector is because bitcoin brought something to the table that has not been brought by any of the imitators and/or affinity scams within the shitcoin sector.  It is quite likely that if any of bitcoin's imitators, copy cats, affinity scams want to beat out bitcoin, then they would not need to be merely better than bitcoin, but instead they would need to be in the ballpark of 10x or more better than bitcoin, so how is there going to be competition from various shitcoins unless they are in the ballpark of at least 10x better than bitcoin?  In that sense, we should not be spending time, energy and/or money talking aout them or playing around with them unless we are considering them in light of bitcoin and how they might relate to bitcoin and deserve any attention at all.

You can spin matters all that you like.  This forum's pushup thread is not just about pushups.  It is about pushups, BTC and the price... Yeah, we focus on pushups in that thread, yet the activity is still within the context of bitcoin and even seems to be related to proof of work.. even though no one is going to know if we actually did the work beyond ourselves.. the ones claiming to do the daily-ish pushups. 

Interesting juxtaposition of ideas, and sure you can disagree all that you like, yet if you claim (spin) the matter as if it is ONLY about pushups and has nothing to do with the BTC price, then you are most-likely engaged in fantasy rather than really dealing with facts on the ground that inspire men (and perhaps a woman/girl or two) to attempt to feel what it is like to do some pushups ever day or somewhere there abouts.


The programme that you refer to is not what we are doing.  We are doing bitcoin to $100k pushups which is a different thing from "the programme" which you are claiming to be superior.

One thing superior about our particular thread is that it is is within the context of talking about pushups and trying to do pushups every day until the BTC price reaches $100k.  Is such a thing even possible for real people?  If you are a real person, do you want to give it a shot?   Go ahead.  Try it.  It is not so easy, especially trying to keep in mind the fact that you are doing pushups and also wishing the BTC price gets to fucking $100k as soon as possible so that you don't have to be committed to doing them every day.  It's a bit of a unique angle, and perhaps a wee bit difficult for guys to understand and/or appreciate unless they are actually doing the pushups rather than theorizing about how pushups supposedly does not relate to BTC and/or the BTC price.


It sounds like you are making up your supposed level of knowledge about pushups, since the level of knowledge that you have both about pushups and how they relate to the BTC price going up to $100k is more likely understood by going through the experience rather than merely talking about it.  Get on the ground and do 100 pushups and then tell me that you still know more than the guys who have been doing pushups in that thread for several months and some of the guys in the ballpark of 8 months or more.


I am not going to claim to know how each guy is affected and/or motivated to do pushups  or to participate based on the idea of pushups being connected to BTC and/or the BTC price, yet I suspect that there are a decent number of guys who have been affected by pushups being brought into the bitcoin world and also to have the idea of daily pushups (aspiring to 100 per day) being connected to the BTC price going to $100k (or not).


Many guys are really only able to do somewhere in the ballpark of 15-30 pushups in a row, depending on how fast they do them or if they do them in good form.  It is quite difficult to get up to even 50 pushups in a row when trying to do them fast, so theorizing about how many pushups a guy is able to do in a row is a wee bit different than seeing how guys are able to do pushups in the real world and potentially even trying to do pushups yourself to find out that they are not as easy as they seem to be.


I am not going to claim to know exactly the extent to which pushups might help in various ways besides just being able to do pushups, even though I would suspect that strength is improved in a variety of related areas besides just being able to do more pushups.   

It could even be the case that some guys are doing pushups just to be part of a bitcoin related activity and they may or may not really be too tied to the idea of whether pushups are helping them in any physical way, so in that sense there is a psychological effect that comes from doing pushups, especially if they are done every single day.. not easy I must repeat in telling you.  Holding bitcoin is also not easy. .including some guys continuing to buy bitcoin, too.


I did a quick review of your posts in this thread, and I could not find the specific reference that was in my head, so it could be possible that I read too much into your seeming maniacal pursuit for topicality and your seeming negativism in regards to calling the forum a spamforum, and perhaps I also mixed some of your sentiment up with the sentiment of other members who seem to be on the same side as you in terms of pursuing the idea of absolute categories of off-topicness in regards to the pushups thread, as if the thread being allowed to stay within bitcoin areas of the forum after already achieving 179 pages were even close to being as important of a violation of "categories" as it is being made out to be.

Sure.  Maybe it matters, especially since we are watching walls in these here parts.

Yet it largely seems to be noise in regards to what downity number will actually be reached, especially for any of us who don't consider ourselves to be traders? 

So far we have ONLY gotten down to $66.5k..

Personally, I believe that even if we were to buy on the dip, we don't necessarily need to ponder over whether the dip for the buys will be hit or not, especially if we might set our buys automatically, so my buy on dip amounts are every $2k apart and mid $65k, mid $63k, mid $61k, mid $59k, mi $57k and thereafter my buy on dips go to every $1.5k apart.   

I don't want my buy on dips to be filled, but if the BTC price goes down to those levels, my buy on dips get filled.

It seems as if sooner or later there are going to be no more coins for sale, yet for some reason there continue to be coins for sale, which surely causes some of us to suspect whether the coins are real or are new coins just being invented out of the air.


You are looking pretty confident for a no coiner. 

Consider how much whining you have been doing, and how much more whining you are going to be doing in the future based on your lack of buying dee cornz actions?


Walls of chartbuddy.

Isn't that great?


By tomorrow, if you mean sometime in 2025, then I might be able to appreciate such optimism.

In other words, I personally cannot appreciate "tomorrow" within that context to be any less than a full quarter - 3 months.. ..

In recent history, we have had in the ballpark of 3.5x in 3 months.. and sure it could be that the last time that we got more than 3.5x in 3 months might have had been our 2017 bullrun which was damned near 10x in 3 months.. so I am not going to suggest 4x to 10x to be completely out of the realm of possible.. .. and whether or not momentum has to be started in advance is another question.. since the momentum in this $55k to $70k territory is not easy to identify in the category of actual momentum.

I don't mean to pee in dee park.


I am having trouble contemplating that bitcoin is even anywhere close to going mainstream.  Sure there has been some buzz about bitcoin in certain circles, but mainstream?  What is that?

Maybe someone has to define "mainstream" in order to me to better appreciate the possibility that bitcoin might have had gone mainstream, since I don't see it..   

Am I blind and not knowing it?

#asking 4 a friend


I imagine the reference is to that lil twat, eXPHorizon.


I am sure  that many of the govt agencies and departments mean well.  Their actions are just signs of desperation that are products of many years of "accidental/inadvertent/perhaps cocksured overconfidence"   This might be one of those examples in which even good intention has resulted in a pretty bad situation that is nearly impossible to rectify in any kind of meaningful way without a decent amount of fallout.


ditto


I suspect that you did such a good job paving it, that the guy mistakenly thought that your driveway was a highway.  There can downsides to being too good.

Just because you have a more conservative estimate, that does not cause you to be more "realistic" than someone with a less conservative prediction, even though your odds of being correct might end up being greater, and sure if you are wrong, then there can be some value to being wrong towards being more conservative rathe than being wrong and getting expectations too high.

Slow can be kind of like a compromise between pushups and planks...and yeah I agree that pushups are way more difficult to do when done slowly... yet it still does not mean that guys need to do their pushups slowly, since guys can do whatever they like in terms of their own speed versus form.. and at the same time, there surely may need to be at least minimum standards in regards to form, even though guys are under their own discretion in regards to what they consider to count as a pushup.

I see that DirtyKeyboard's script (or perhaps him?) is on strike.

I doubt that I am saying to wait before investing into bitcoin, even though I am saying get started investing in bitcoin as soon as possible within the confines of your discretionary/disposable income.  So any aspect emphasizing waiting, learning or getting comfie. .That is not me.  You are reading into what I say if you are believing that I am saying that.


Getting started yields good results, and tailoring your investment to your situation yields good results.  The learning can happen as you are investing rather than presuming that preparation and mindset needs to be established prior to investing into BTC.  The most you need to get started investing into bitcoin is realizing that you have a discretionary income.  If you do not have any discretionary income then you have to increase your income and/or cut your expenses.   


Sometimes if we are taking action and we are investing in something like bitcoin, we may well get lucky that the BTC price goes up in price after we were able to establish a decently good sized bitcoin stake.


That is true, and even before they got into bitcoin, they probably had put themselves into a position that they had money they could invest into bitcoin.  Perhaps they were saving and/or investing, so when they heard about bitcoin, they had some extra money that they were able to redirect into bitcoin rather than where the money had been prior to their hearing about bitcoin.


Going to $300k is not a very BIG move from here.. That is merely about a 5x.

It's not like I have not heard that before, which my usual response has been that I write to the extent that I determine necessary to make whatever points that I want to make.  Sure it is possible that I might be able to read through again and make any such post shorter, but I have noticed that my posts tend to get longer rather than shorter when I read through them.

Do what you like with that, including choosing not to read through them.  Of course, you could also choose to skim. From my side, I see no reason really to proclaim that I am going to change in regards to the length of my posts, merely based on the same kind of requests to shorten that I have been frequently hearing for the past 10.5-ish years in this forum... I cannot recall ever going back to shorten or to purposefully attempt to make my posts shorter based on some member request(s).


I doubt that I have anything further to say, since it seems to me that I already mostly explained my perspective to my own satisfaction at the moment.

Oh wait.. I just thought that maybe if we might concede the overall framework of the thread is described in terms of pushups and BTC speculation, so there is an overarching theme in which the BTC price motivates the doing of the pushups, yet when we post within the thread, we may well be 80% to 90% talking about various mechanisms of doing pushups, aspects of the pushup table, and even cost and benefits of pushups and other nutrition and health matters, yet the whole conversation is within an understood context that many guys are ONLY doing pushups because they are related to anticipated BTC price dynamics and also based on various cultural relevance in regards, to pushups being done in many bitcoin maximalist circles - and so there are desires to be a part of such phenomena,

and even though sometimes within the thread OgNasty seems to want to try to get credit as if he were the one and ONLY one who thought about doing pushups as a way of respecting the bitcoin price and attempting to push the BTC price up to $100k while at the same time creating additional benefits to the pushers, or that he is causing other forum members to become more healthy because he saved them due to his creation of the pushup thread, yet in the end, OgNasty was choosing to do pushups and to promote such pushups because 100 pushups per day to $100k were already being discussed in quite few bitcoin maximalist circles and not just because Satoshi told us to do pushups back in the day.. hahahahahahaha.. you fucktwats cannot even figure out a pretty obvious joke.. yeah we are engaged in pushups because Satoshi told us to do them in 2009.. and gosh I wonder how many forum members actually believe that Satoshi wrote that back in early to mid-2009... otherwise pushups are serious and also they are serious kind of proof of work attempting to connect the real world with bitcoin price aspirations.. whether through hope for $100k to come sooner rather than later or to potentially contribute towards upwards pressures on BTC prices to have greater odds of going up to $100k more surely and/or more quickly.


I thought that merits and signature campaigns were part of the motive to have topics falling into an appropriate category.. .so even if you might have been saying that you are concerned about topicality, there are plenty of other thoughts about merits and signatures and even about OgNasty.. to the extent that he is even very relevant.. but yeah stating disparate treatment based on all the status that OgNasty supposedly has, and I personally am not even against the idea of sometimes longer term forum members not being scrutinized as closely as a newbie member.. yet I am having doubts that OgNasty was even getting special treatment in this case since even if most of our discussion has been about doing pushups, there still remains an actual connection to both bitcoin and to bitcoin price speculation rather than just being symbolic and disingenuous as several of you seem to be implying and perhaps suggesting that you are only getting concerned because the thread happens to currently be 179 pages long...

Oh and a thread is not a spam thread merely because it is long.  There is substance in that thread if you might not be just superficially looking at it, coming to conclusions about it not being sufficiently on topic and also categorically proclaiming the thread and even the forum to be spam infested.. That is coming from your negative nancy posture and not from this here cat.. even if you have not spoken about those other rationales to hate on the pushups and bitcoin to $100k thread..


Well that's a good start and better than nothing.  I was not used to doing pushups either prior to getting involved in the thread, even though I am thinking that I did some pushups right before the pushup thread since there were a few posts in the WO thread prior to OgNasty creating the pushups thread.  I am thinking that I might not have had really done pushups for more than 10 years prior to getting involved in the thread, yet another thing is that the pushups became way more than just something to do here or there, but instead daily, even though even I am not sure if I can keep; doing them once the BTFC price reaches or exceeds $100k which seems to be a question in the heads of several guys doing pushups in terms of whether they are going to be able to continue.. They are not fun to do .. but they are connected to bitcoin, connected to the price and connected to a kind of culture and phenomena (and perhaps bags) that we would like to pump along the side of our doing pushups every single day.  Even if you might be a girl.. you can do pushups.. and more than 3 per month - perhaps try to do 3 sets per day and 3-4 pushups per set at least and work your way up to more... .. it is not easy. .but it is part of being a bitcoiner.  .. even satoshi said to do pushups more than 15 years ago.. as far as the evidence that we currently know about various things that satoshi said..


There is always going to be some differences of opinion and even some members wanting to take matters to higher and higher levels, and I am not necessarily exempt from those kinds of devolutions in topics or even difference of opinion regarding which things are "nice things."  

Your own perspective about wanting to get rid of the WO thread seems that you may also be losing touch of various aspects of the forum, including that the WO thread is amongst the most special of forum threads in terms of it is like the forum's troll box.. remember BTCE and some other exchanges had troll boxes, while the WO thread has come into that role. .probably since the beginning, yet more of an acknowledgement of the WO serving such role in around early 2017 when it got moved over to its current owner....and there is nothing wrong with that thread, even though you and some of the other whiners (maybe whining for variations of differing reasons) are negative on that thread too.

I almost forgot about my promise to attempt "slow pushups," and so today, I had already done three sets for the day, and on my 4th set, I decided to try to do pushups 3 seconds or higher per pushup and to do as many pushups as I could do at that pace, and I was ONLY able to do 25 pushups in 75 seconds.. which of course is exactly 3 seconds per pushup which is likely my longest (so far) time doing pushups in one stretch and my longest amount of time per pushup (on average). 

Maybe I will try again at some point?  Surely, I did not like it, yet I am so much into a kind of routine of doing daily pushups that some experimentation is not likely to hurt too much.

If I think about what I might try out, perhaps one of my 5 sets per day could potentially be super slow, and I hope that I can at least do 20 pushups per set, even if they are getting close to 4 seconds, if such a thing might be possible for me.  I might have to work towards seeing how many 4-5 second pushups I am able to do.. Again.. I don't like it.

On my other 4 pushup sets each day, I am just going to continue at my regular pace which recently has been tending to be right around 50-60 pushups per set and perhaps right around 45 to 55 seconds for the whole set.. so just about. One second per pushup or slightly less than 1 second per pushup.

I don't like the slow - quality over quality kinds of pushups, yet I suppose if ONLY one out of my 5 daily pushup sets will be purposefully slow, then maybe I can keep trying and see if it gives me any kind of feeling of value or purpose or improvement or anything like that, from such.  Maybe an overall sense of psychological well being?


That sounds likely are making decently good progress in ramping up your number of sets and your number of pushups per set.    Just don't over do it, and surely your decision to give yourself another 10 days before you bump up your number of sets a wee bit moar (which will increase your total pushups per day) should be plenty of time to make sure that you are ready for that next level.


I personally have previously recommended that pushups of less than 10 per day should not go in the pushup table... yet I am pretty sure DirtyKeyboard's script has not been programed in that direction.

Hopefully in the future you can get your pushups up to at least 10 per day?  such as 3-4 sets of 3-4 pushups per set.  .. otherwise it might not be easy to take you seriously... at least from my perspective.. I might start to refer to you as vapourware... hahahahaha. .in order to attempt to shame you into doing more pushups.. and also including that you are surely able to do modified pushups in order to increase your pushup quantity, which I think should be between 8-12 pushups per set in order to help you in the quantity section.. instead of considering yourself as a power lifter.. which seems problematic.. and not quite even the idea of pushups.. the spirit of pushups even though at least if  you have the spirit of bitcoin and you are not trying to shitcoin us, then that would be the other angle that we might want to consider.

And, after I criticized.. I will still say welcome to participation in this pushups for $100k bitcoin phenomena that is not ONLY happening in this thread or this forum but in other parts of bitcoinlandia, too.   In its own way, it is almost like the icebucket challenge.

By the way that you mentioned that you will continue until the BIGGEST day?  ARE you referring to $100k?  or perhaps beyond $100k or some other number?  One thing is suggesting some kind of a non-specified price, but then the other thing is the time that it could take to get there. so there might need to be restrictions one way or another, and it seems that some earlier participants in this thread might have petered out somewhat since they might have been tentatively thinking that BTC prices ONLY go up, which is a pretty lame presumption, even though a lot of people get into bitcoin (and even into shitcoins) with those kinds of built in presumptions.  So committing to do pushups and even committing to do pushups within a certain time frame or until a certain price might be something that is more in your control as compared with really figuring out either BTC price direction or even how long it might take to get there.. in this case $100k and above.

You are making either the ONLY one true scottsman fallacy or the fallacy of elitism, which I doubt too many of us are engaging int pushups in order to be elite, even if we might be striving to get stronger.. and largely pushups should be something that anyone can do, even if some folks may need to modify them and build up to some kind of a quantity of pushups that demonstrate their strength and/or their improving strength.

Surely as any of us have become older, certain kinds of exercises become more and more difficult to carry out, so it seems quite impractical to proclaim that pullups to be a more genuine and/or appropriate exercise, including that there may well be a lot of guys who cannot do pull ups and/or have never been able to do pullups, and to expect to get any benefit from something that is not even possible to do or is really difficult to do in even small quantities comes off as quite impractical..and even as a way to frustrate the whole idea of pushups having way more of an everyman kind of an effect (even if they might be a bit guy-oriented, since women likely would not on their own choose pushups as their chosen exercise - to the extent that women even want to exercise and/or are socialized to exercise).

There are a lot of practical aspects of pushups, even if they might not be a total body exercise, they get quite a few parts and they can be modified in either the direction of easier or more difficult.

Another thing about pushups is that it is the exercise that had somewhat gone viral in regards to linking it with a desire for the BTC price to get to $100k and potentially to be more healthy (and/or strong) once or if the BTC price reaches such targeted price point... so yeah, if the target is 100 pushups a day until BTC gets to $100k, there are quite a few guys who may not even be able to start out at such quantity of pushups per day, and they have to work up to it... Symbolic?  I am not sure, because anyone who actually starts to include a daily pushup practice soon will come to realize that pushups do not happen without purpose and thought. that also might end up reinforcing convictions about bitcoin and/or matters related to bitcoin price, since we are talking about bitcoin, not shitcoins when we are focusing on physically manifesting pushups every single day.. perhaps 100 pushups or perhaps building up to 100 and perhaps even figuring out some quantity that works for them. There were quite a few guys who conceded such difficulties in doing 100 pushups every single day, so then they might have compromised and said that they would do some 1/1000ths of the BTC price, so perhaps today doing 66, 67 or 68 pushups, yet many of those guys have not been lasting and perhaps based on thoughts that the BTC price would go to $100k faster so that they could be relieved of their daily pushups' obligation.

A few of us who mostly committed to doing pushups every single day, up until now, might have had committed to doing pushups every single day if were to really believe that it was to to take more than 8.5 months and the BTC price has still not reached $100k.. Your saying pullups are better based on a presumption that pullups are the real true Scottsman (and that pushups are too easy) is a bunch of crap baloney bullshit that presumes, lacks evidence (logic and/or facts) that doing pushups ever single day is actually an easy thing to accomplish.

By the way, I frequently suggest that guys who might either be new to pushups or who have not done pushups for a while should be trying to start with their pushups in the range of 8-12 pushups per set and around 3 sets per day and then to see how they are going to do from there in terms of how they feel when doing them and how they feel about their strength, and perhaps even whether it might make them feel different about the bitcoin price.  I had not really thought too much about whether we might be speculating about when the bitcoin price might reach $100k or what kinds of things we might do on the way to $100k to reinforce our commitment about bitcoin  (besides buying more bitcoin or otherwise just watching charts that may more may not be getting to $100k in a fast enough way).  

Guys who are ONLY capable of doing 8-12 pushups in a set may well not be able to do 1-2 pull ups either.. it is difficult to imagine.  There were some guys coming to the pushup thread and proclaiming to ONLY be able to do some small quantity of pushups, such as less than 10 pushups in a day, and I surely was asserting that guys who could not do at least 10 pushups in a day should not be allowed to have their results in the pushup table and they likely also should not even be treated seriously in terms of their contribution to the thread unless they had some kind of an explanation why they might be ONLY able to less than 10 pushups in a thread, and surely even in Phillipma1957 initial participations in the pushup thread, he was proclaiming to do planks as pushup substitutes, and sure there was some tolerance of that kind of a substitute based on his explanation why he could not do pushups, but still.. seems to be a somewhat limited case. .and gosh just thinking about pullups causes me pain and stress regarding how to build up to having something like that as something that is available to many folks rather than being ONLY a few guys capable of doing some of them, and what the fuck we want to just watch some elitist guys showing us their physical prowess without doing something that many of us could potentially and even likely (as long as we are still kicking and even not a bot) carry out ourselves.

Many of us likely realize that it can be difficult to do pull ups, even in terms of having equipment, which at minimum is some kind of a bar or grip to be able to grab onto do attempt them.. .. and I would think that sometimes building up to being able to do more pullups might be assisted by various kinds of equipment that might help to support the weight and perhaps even targeting 8-12 pullups with assistance from the equipment and then trying to work up to a fitness status of being able to do pullups without assistance, which also seems to be a bit of an elitist kind of exercise.. and no fucking way are normie bitcoiners who are in the pushup challenge proclaiming to be elitist or even very athletic beyond the pushups that also focus and/or related to the BTC price.  We can almost do pushups anywhere if we are not overly shy about it, even though I personally prefer to not have an audience.

Pushups have a bit of a potential for broad appeal, and many of us are proclaiming that our chosen exercise is one that anyone can do, anywhere and even have some connectedness to why we are doing the pushups related to the bitcoin price. .. and yeah concededly pushups as a chosen exercise to seem to be a bit male-focused - even though they could be modified to be more female acceptable, even though I would consider that many females would likely not even choose pushups as their chosen exercise since many females are not as much into building strength in their upper body as men tend to be more naturally inclined to want to build their strength in such a way (and even have their physic to be seeable through the outline of their upper body)..  

It seems less common for a women to want to do pushups and even more rare for a woman to want to include pullups as a chosen "daily" exercise.. which brings us back to the pullups as elitist point, not only for men, but even more for women, which I doubt that trying to be some kind of an elitist athlete is even close to the reason why many of us are participating in the pushups til $100k thread..  Yeah sure there might be some guys who have specialized goals, yet it seems that many of us are largely going through a kind of a process of doing pushups and connecting our daily activities to hopeful UPpity moves in the BTC price, which $100k seems a somewhat "in reach" target.


I am glad that you are such a professional analyst and figured out that the mere fact that we have the bitcoin price in the thread does not motivate the thread.  I hardly give too many shits if the thread moves, yet when I hear some of you guys proclaim that the thread is ONLY about pushups, then you seem to be purposefully ignoring the whole premise of the thread.. whether the BTC price is mentioned or not, it is the reason why many of us are doing (or claiming to do) pushups on a daily basis.. .. we don't talk about shitcoins in that thread.  Many guys question if they will continue to do pushups once the BTC price reaches $100k (if it does).  Just like DCA'ers frequently lose their interest in DCAing into bitcoin based on various movements of the BTC price, there are similar kinds of dynamics in the pushups thread... whether we say the word bitcoin or we talk about when or how BTC is getting to $100k or some other bitcoin related matter is getting to do the pushups so that we can potentially be in better shape to bang hookers, to drive our lambos and to tolerate blow without dying from it based on our being in better shape when (or if) BTC prices reach $100k..

Sure, you can proclaim the speculation is loose, and I hardly give too many shits if the thread goes to off-topic even though it logically makes less and less sense to proclaim the thread is off topic, especially the more and more several of you haters are trying to proclaim that the thread is not related to bitcoin, you are starting to sound like you are unable to appreciate the relationship of the thread to bitcoin because you are so busy worried about if some members might be receiving merits to easily or that they might get credit for their signatures in such a thread.. or maybe I am having more and more difficulties understanding why some of you give too many shits about the thread and the potential that it is ONLY loosely linked to BTC price speculations, even though the price is specifically in the title of the thread.. but no OgNasty created the thread so it must be bad... which it also seems to have taken more than 8 months for some of you to get excited about the thread since the thread is quite popular.. yet I really doubt that OgNasty had a lot to do with the thread becoming popular beyond his regularly participating in it.. and sometimes having a bit of his annoying self come out, yet in the end, the thread still does not seem to be about OgNasty as much as it is about connecting the doing of daily pushups to the BTC price movement.. hopefully upwardly so that many of us might want to reconsider if we want to continue to doing pushups or in some other way reconsider the matter.

Maybe if you read through the thread, you will witness so many guys who proclaim that they are ONLY doing the pushups either because of the thread or because of their goal for the BTC price to reach $100k, and many of us, including yours truly and several others in the thread, were either not doing pushups or maybe we were doing other activities prior to the thread, and likely we would not even be fucking around with doing pushups except that such pushup thread is embedded into an aspect of bitcoin culture that we would like to be a part of. .which includes that pushups related to the BTC price moving up to $100k is not ONLY on this particular forum, yet it is in other places in bitcoinlandia.. including that there could even be new forum members coming to the forum or even returning forum members who might end up seeing how extensive our pushup thread related to the BTC price has been developing, and many of those members may well become inspired to engage in pushups or otherwise engage in bitcoin or to keep their bitcoin resolve based on the thread... and yeah, there is hardly any members mentioning shitcoin and/or trading of bitcoin in the thread.. this thread seems to be a bit angled towards investing into bitcoin, investing into yourself and yeah sure perhaps some of us will give up on pushups and/or give up on bitcoin (like trade it) once the BTC price reaches $100k (if it does?), so yeah, we are not mentioning the BTC price every post or what we are going to do in relation to our BTC or our pushups once the BTC price reaches $100k  (if the BTC price reaches such level), yet the relationship of the activity to BTC, to the price to the time it will take to reach $100k is right there..even if time is a bit of an unknown there is a pretty damned decent sized inference that can be made in regards to pushups being difficult that includes a desire and hope that the BTC price reaches $100k sooner rather than later. .and surely many of the guys participating in the thread would likely admit that they did not believe it would take so long for BTC prices to NOT reach $100k.


Which part is spammy?  The pushup script is run daily, guys submit their pushup reports fairly regularly, could be daily, and so you are saying if they don't mention the bitcoin price in each of their posts then they are clogging the bitcoin related channels?  and there is not enough of a connection to BTC and/or to BTC price?


You are pretty negative.  Maybe you should do some pushups, cheer yourself up, potentially contribute towards your thinking about bitcoin reaching $100k instead of dumb ideas about whether some members might be getting more merits than they deserve and considerations like that?


I suppose that a flat earth believer could try to make some kind of a connection with their beliefs about the earth being flat and/or other conspiracies and attempt to relate those kinds of conspiracies to bitcoin price.  The flat earth thread did not make any such attempt to connect flat earth to bitcoin price, or not that I recall, so your comparison seems a wee bit out of place.  

I have not looked at Don Pedro's new trolling (and/or attention seeking) thread, but sure arguably, there could be some connection to speculation (even though the topic of Don Pedro's thread comes off as quite dumb and disingenuine on the surface.. since he is likely not even believing what he is proclaiming) to be suggesting that the pushup thread is suppressing BTC prices.

Don Pedro's thread seems problematic because it seems to be a trolling thread as compared with the pushup thread did come out directly to suggest some value in doing pushups on a daily basis until the BTC prices reach $100k, and so even if many of us would not be proclaiming that doing pushups would move the BTC price in either direction, there is still an implied message that members could get some value and benefit in the performance of pushups on a daily basis during the time it takes BTC prices to reach $100k.. and the topic of the thread can also be used to inspire guys to buy more bitcoin and hold more bitcoin and not to sell their bitcoin prior to the BTC price reaching $100k, and surely a bit of an implication that BTC prices going up to $100k and beyond was around the corner, and potentially our lives would be improved by doing daily pushups in the process of waiting for the BTC price to go up as contrasted to if we were to not do daily pushups.

Another angle too could be considered that if doing daily pushups might contribute towards more HODLing and/or buying of BTC which also could end up in less BTC available when dumping, and so upwards pressures on the BTC price, even though maybe the amount of upwards pressures on the BTC price would not be sufficient enough to really make any kind of meaningful difference  - even though some guys might still speculate the extent to which their doing pushups, resulting in holding and buying more BTC results in sufficient upwards BTC price pressures to make any kind of a difference in the BTC price going up faster and/or further.


There could be some reinforcement of resolve to continue to hold bitcoin that is reinforced by doing the pushups every day.. so if there comes more resolve (and a reminder) to continue to hold the BTC and to toughen up about the  BTC price, then perhaps more guys holding, becoming stronger and building their lettuce hands into stronger bodily features is going to contribute towards the BTC price going up since there is reinforcement every single day.. but yeah in the whole scheme of things is there any affect that actually causes the BTC price to reach $100k faster or does it just make some of us feel better in the process of getting to $100k.


My level of physical soreness has slowly come down through my last 260 days of doing daily pushups, and for sure the first few months I was getting pains in all kinds of body parts that did not exactly seem to be directly related to pushups, and several of those pains either went away or became easier to deal with and/or of course, physical strength improved too... which also can be related to bitcoin, bitcoin price and even relating being able to do tough things to being able to hold bitcoin until $100k and perhaps even being able to continue to buy bitcoin until $100k rather than not doing anything in the process of waiting and/or hoping for BTC prices to go to $100k.

I finally got through reading this very stupid thread, and even though the thread.. especially the premise of the OP is stupid, I still felt some kind of irresistible draw in regards to responding to several posts, which may or may not have had been stupid, in spite of their spawning from a stupid starting premise.

Isn't there one of the Parkinson laws that proclaim that the discussions of a diverse group will end up gravitating to the most basic of the concepts, since many of the participants will more easily be able to relate to such more basic concepts?  thus my long response to a thread that is based upon a very stupid premise.


There is ONLY one merit source active in those mentioned threads?  I wonder which about merit source you are referring?  Surely, your factual representation is wrong even if there might be one or more members who has tended to send more smerits in your referenced threads as compared with other merit source members who might not regularly participate in the threads that you are referring to.

Are you suggesting that such merit source member, to the extent that you might ONLY be referring to one merit source member, is engaging in some kind of improper behavior in regards to the sending of such source merits?  If so, have you reported or considered reporting such merit source member?  Or maybe you have no basis for your accusation and you are just throwing out such accusation in order to imply some kind of improper behavior might be taking place, and you have shit for evidence (brains) - neither logic nor facts?

Perhaps you are attempting to suggest that there exists some kind of a source merit sending standard that is being violated? or you are wanting to imply such a merit source sending standard that actually does not exist, but you want to insinuate that such a merit source standard exists, when it doesn't?   You probably should realize and appreciate that you likely have a burden to show evidence (logic and/or facts) of some kind of abuse that has been occuring, since there is no forum merit source sending standard in  the kind of vague bullshit that you seem to be implying to be the case.


I am glad to hear that you participated in the pushup challenge thread, and you appreciate the idea of pushups.

Your claim that doing 100 pushups per day is easy is defied by your own admission that you were not ready, willing and/or able to continue to do pushups every single day between the time that you started up until now.

It is easier said than done to do pushups every single day, even for some guys who might not even be doing 100 pushups each day, and in some ways doing pushups every single day could be (and sometimes is) compared with investing into bitcoin on a regular, consistent, persistent and ongoing basis - easier said than done.

If we are in a pushup thread (such as the thread referenced in OP), such participation is voluntary, and we really cannot know for sure whether the participants are actually doing the pushups that they claim to be doing, just like when we are in a bitcoin investing thread, we cannot really determine if the participants are buying the bitcoin that they claim to be buying.  At the same time, I do consider that we have quite a bit of good content in that thread, including but not limited to the script that has been created and maintained by DirtyKeyboard that seems to inspire more guys to get involved in doing pushups and providing their pushup report whenever they are able to provide such updated pushup report and in order to have their username included within that daily posted pushup table that currently contains the names of 74 forum members.


If that is the essence of your dispute, then has such question been presented to administrators and if they decided not to move it, then what is the problem with the thread?  it has been going for almost 9 months with ongoing interest.. even though maybe some members are no longer reporting their pushups, so we ONLY have around 34 members (slightly fewer than 1/2 of the total number of pushup report submitters) who have reported their pushups in the last 30 days.  

Another thing is that there have been thread participants who had not officially submitted pushup reports, and other thread participants who chimed in on the thread based on related topics, rather than actually talking about whether they were interested in doing pushups or not.

Even though I don't have any evidence of non-participating members reading the thread or perhaps members of the public reading the thread, there have been other places in bitcoinlandia in which 100 pushups per day until $100k has been discussed since at least around the time of the start of the thread (early February 2024). I would imagine that there are some non-members of public that might read the thread and/or might even decide to join the forum based on the existence of such thread (even though I don't have any evidence of that).  


Report it then, and surely that is a discretionary choice that an administrator might choose to agree to... even though it hardly seems as BIG of a deal as you are making it out to be.


Sure.  Any forum member who already has the thread on his watchlist would still have the thread on his watchlist, and the attraction of new forum members may or may not change based on which section the thread is included, yet I thought that you had already mentioned that forum administrators are less likely to move a thread that has already been existing for a long time as compared with a brand new thread?  

yeah, we know administrators would still be able to move the thread, but they might not want to move the thread since it has already been in the speculation section for 8.5 months.. and surely I don't claim to know what administrators will do, even though it seems like "no big deal" either way.. except that you are whining about such an administrative discretionary thing that does not seem to be a very BIG deal either way.


The thread is about pushups, so who gives any shits about the other aspects of physical fitness that you are mentioning.. Sure some of those kinds of ideas have come up in the thread in the last 8.5 months, yet many times members attempt to mostly redirect our discussion towards pushups, so if there is some desire to create a topic about some other kind of exercise, physical fitness or whatever, else then so be it.  We largely just focus on pushups in that thread with merely some incidental mentioning of some other topics that might relate to other exercises, the advantages disadvantages or resistance exercises versus cardio or perhaps some sideline discussions of nutrition and/or sleep.. but still mostly pushups and our hoping that bitcoin prices go to $100k sooner or later, remains as most of the focus of that particular thread discussion.


You have some kind of a proclamation about what other members need to "stop" thinking about?  I tend to want to strive towards working towards positive ideas rather than negative ideas, except when it comes to shitcoins.. but hey anyways some of the positive ideas related to the pushups thread and how it may relate to the BTC price approaching $100k someday seems to already largely be stated in the OP and repeated in at various points in the now 178 subsequent pages.  From my perspective, your seeming disputes about the thread (to the extent that they are even genuine) seem trivial at best and more likely to be hateful rather than really addressing any kind of important concern about the thread, and/or about the ways that various forum members are participating in such thread to date.  

Perhaps "we" should solicit theymos to participate to cause 100 pushups until $100k to be "official," which any of us should recognize and/or appreciate that high ranking (or longer term) forum members need not participate in such thread in order to make it "official" since the thread is already quite "high quality" if I do happen to say so myself.  


So if you are not necessarily suggesting that "Jay" is abusing his merit sending abilities, but instead other forum members (newbies presumptively) know how to play him (Jay) for some smerits.

Is this a problem or not?

If it is a problem, then what might be some kind of a proposed way to address such purported problem?


Hahahahaha

That is a decently good point.

OP Don Pedro had proposed 100 farts as a substitute for pushups. .which he probably did not even end up doing.. .. which is really literally and figuratively poo pooing the ideas and practices of daily pushups.



Pushups and pushup reports are voluntary, and there is no real and/or meaningful way that we can verify the proof of work of the actual pushups of the forum members submitting such pushup reports..

If we want to verify proof of work, the best kind of proof of work verification seems to be bitcoin.  Op Don Pedro seems to be getting backlash because he mostly comes off as a hater, and you (LB) seem to want to join in on his nonsensical and seemingly hate-based assertions since you seem to be wanting to defend his largely nonsensical claims.


The Satoshi expression was likely just humor and probably should have had some kind of a reference or note to show that the expression was modified.. yet sometimes humor loses its funniness if the joke is explained.

The pushup thread is no joke and no humor, even though active participants in the thread likely are having fun with some aspects of the thread, including being able to see their results in a daily pushup table, thanks to the efforts, innovativeness and even persistency of DirtyKeyboard to display and adapt daily pushups and some other related information within the table(s) from time to time.  

It is not easy to do pushups everyday for any of us guys who are actually doing pushups, so any of you guys proclaiming that pushups are a joke, they are easy, they don't have ramifications or they are not important, then you should probably try doing such pushups yourselves (even modified pushups if you cannot do full form pushups) before you criticize others for either doing such pushups on a daily basis and/or for participating in a thread that connects doing pushups to aspirations of when and how long it might take for the BTC price to go up to $100k..


Of course, higher ranked members are going to be treated differently from newbies, and I doubt that newbies have grounds to expect to be treated the same as higher ranked members.. especially if there might be some borderline discretionary issues that could go either way, such as a forum administrator's decision in regards to which section to allow a thread and then also whether to move the thread after it had already been in existence for 8.5 months.

Sure, it can take a bit of time for newbies to rank up and to provide various kinds of quality and/or substantive posts in which they will start to be known by other forum members and even by moderators and administrators, and even trusted more after they have been around for some time, as contrasted to when they are relatively new to the forum...

I am having some difficulties with the logic of implying some kind of need that in these kinds of circumstances that relative newbie members should be treated the same as higher ranked and relatively well-known members... and surely there is a bit of discretion from admin, and perhaps there might be some kinds of instances in which forum longevity and/or rank does not matter.. but still, it is a bit of strange point that seems to have been repeated to suggest that OgNasty is getting special treatment based on his having had been around a while...and even that is quite speculative as for the reason that the thread has so far been allowed to stay in speculation rather than getting moved to off-topic.


You cannot agree for OgNasty, and there would be no reason to close the thread merely because the BTC price reached and/or exceeded $100k.. .that would be OgNasty's discretion whether or not to close it, and if there is still active participation in the thread, there would likely be no reason to close it, even if Don Pedro and his buddies are whining about it.

I also consider the thread to have hardly anything to do with OgNasty, even if he created the OP and he has the authority to close it.. otherwise, it is just a thread that deals with pushups and the BTC price going to $100k, and even that could be amended to be $100k plus or whatever and keep the thread as it is, more or less.


There is no need for you or any other member of that thread to prove they are doing the pushups that they claim to do.. whether for opsec purposes or otherwise.  We are on the honor system in that thread, and surely voluntary since no member should feel any pressure to show his pushups (as proof of work), even though there have been some members who had chosen to show some pieces of personal information (potential proof) that seemed to have had been completely (or almost completely) voluntary within their choice to provide such information.


Regarding your number 3, you seem to be a wee bit presumptuous in regards to the thread being moved.  

I am not going to claim to know what admin is going to do, yet it remains in their discretion whether to move the pushup thread from its current location in speculation and into off topic.. because of your whining and the whining of a few of your supporters, who are trying to proclaim that OgNasty has bad motivations in regards to the thread and/or its location, which does not seem to be motivating the participation in the thread which has largely been about doing daily pushups and the BTC price reaching $100k and perhaps a few other related tangential discussions that might somewhat relate to the topic of pushups and the BTC price.. which surely also many of us likely realize that such connection of pushups to the price was going on in other non-bitcointalk locations in bitcoinlandia around the beginning of the year, too.. ..and so surely in the thread,  sometimes we had been talking about the  BTC price in relation to doing pushups and perhaps health benefits of being strong for when the BTC price reaches $100k (presuming the price is going to go to $100k at some point), and also sometimes having discussions about the daily pushup table too and how members should submit their pushup reports to be included in the pushup table, and the development and implementation of the pushup table by DirtyKeyboard started right around the beginning of April, right around two months after the thread had already been running...


I doubt that there are many members (perhaps none) who actually believe that the pushups actually cause the BTC price to go up, yet surely there can still end up being various kinds of speculation discussions being incorporated into how long we might have to do pushups and various pushup-related things that we might do at certain BTC price points, including my own speculation whether the quantity of my pushups might meet up with the BTC price, which I would prefer NOT to happen, even though at my current rate of daily pushups it is quite likely that I will probably catch up to the BTC price in the quantity of my pushups at some point prior to the BTC price reaching $100k, even if it might not be a permanent situation.. . and surely within the thread, I have been stating that I hope that the quantity of my pushups never reaches the same number as the BTC spot price.


Have you read the whole pushup thread or you are speculation that the thread has nothing to do with BTC prices, even though the title of the thread has a target price of $100k contained within it?

Wouldn't there be an implication that any of us "serious" thread participants are expecting the BTC price to go to $100k sooner rather than later, otherwise maybe the title of the thread should be do 100 pushups per day forever or until you die trying, whichever comes first...

Well no the thread does not say that, so presumably some of us are hoping for $100k to come before we die, and some other pushers in the thread ended up stop doing their pushups because getting to $100k ended up taking longer than they expected... what else is there to speculation besides having a price and a time, and if the date is not specified there still likely is an assumption that $100k is around the corner, which really so far has not been working out so great for those of us continuing to do pushups and might have had been expecting to have had completed with such project by now, and so likely other members of the thread are consciously and/or subconsciously pressuring our peers to keep going since $100k is right around the corner, even though we cannot exactly determine when (such as within two weeks^tm) .. and two weeks never seems to come.  Maybe you should join into the pushup thread rather than speculating about what we are not talking about, even though the price is right in our face every day and perhaps even within our thoughts while we are doing our daily pushups.. and hoping that we might some day soon ^tm be relieved of our obligation to do pushups every day based on what?  based on the movement of the BTC price, hopefully up rather than down and/or sideways. "We" don't get relieved of our pushups until the BTC price goes to 100k.. whether such message is subliminal or not so subliminal even though it also happens to be stated in the title of the thread.. so go figure. How is that not some variation of BTC price speculation related to health benefits of ongoingly pushing ourselves with some kind of real world consequences at the same time and likely on a daily basis too.


It is kind of funny (or ironic) that Don Pedro's thread seems to speculate about the pushup thread not affecting prices, which seems to give greater credence towards the pushup thread being a BTC price speculation thread.