That's exactly my point: money is not taxable. which is why the IRS typified cryptocurrency as "property", to be able to basically steal from American taxpayers. Any half witted attorney should have a field day with that.
Even in the US (which, as far as I know, has a very "stiff" tax policy), money is not taxed. Income is, and so is value added, but if you have the money and don't move it, nobody bothers you. And even then, you only pay taxes on your in country activity, which cryptocurrency is not. I do agree you should pay taxes if you use cryptocurrency to purchase something in the US, because, again, there's a whole apparatus set up to protect you. But in the case of crypto you're on your own.

I mean, don't get me wrong: I'm in Argentina, and we don't pay cryptocurrency taxes in here, so that stuff doesn't affect me. But it kinda sucks seeing people getting robbed like that by their own government.

That's a different animal. One thing is to start off poor and become wealthy, and a very different issue is to start in somewhat of a good position and become a billionaire.
Somehow, people now tend to believe that to have a good life you need to be Jeff Bezos, when in reality it wouldn't hurt at all to have 100 grand in your bank account. Sure, you'll have to keep working, but if something happens (short of a medical emergency, that can drain millions like they're nothing), it's nice to have some cushion.
Of course, I know that's not the point here. But there's a big difference between "climbing up the ladder" and "becoming a billionaire". 

Can anybody please explain to me why cryptocurrency should be taxed?

I know this sounds ridiculous, but for the life of me I couldn't find anybody to give me an answer that would make sense to that question.
I'm not talking about adding "creative tags" for it, with the sole purpose of stealing people's money. I'm talking about a real, legally plausible explanation for it.
As I understand it, taxes are, pretty much, the price citizens have to pay for the "privilege" ( ) of having a "state", or a bunch of people working at providing services for them and whatnot. So how is investing or trading in cryptocurrencies, that are mostly unregulated and offer no protection whatsoever to the investor/trader, a taxable activity?
I mean, if you buy an orange, there's a number of laws, and a whole apparatus destined to make sure you get an orange. If you trade in bonds, or etf's. the SEC is there to regulate the market. What's the excuse, in the case of cryptocurrencies?

Well, when I buy a car I look at more practical issues like HP, handling, braking, reliability, fuel efficiency, etc.
I wouldn't buy a Tesla because it's electric, and electric cars are a big lie. If I could, I'd get a gas powered car and convert it to run on E100.
But, most importantly, I wouldn't buy a Tesla because I don't have the money.
Either way, I think Elon Musk will still survive...

Let me put it this way: if my options are to live in this society or to die in tvconf's, this is DEFINITELY the one I choose.
Our ancestors had plenty of REAL issues to rebel against. I'm getting mighty sick of youtube "revolutionaries" and instagram "heroes". Our ancestors were willing to die for their ideals (and many did), but they were not willing to get other people killed.

Alright, I agree with you on that (see? ). We better cool down, or we're both gonna get kicked out. This is not helpful.
We both tried to prove our points, and we both failed. I'm not gonna reply to your post, cause it's too long. I'll just post a few articles I think can illustrate mine:

From the "Heritage Foundation" (an American Republican think tank, meant to help policymakers:

https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

The "Index of Economic Freedom" rankings for 2021. 2022 numbers aren't in yet. In here, the top ten countries in the world are: Singapore, New Zealand, Australia, Switzerland, Ireland, Taiwan, UK, Estonia, Canada and Denmark. The US is #20.

US News, "Best Countries in the World":

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/overall-rankings

#1 Canada, #2 Japan, #3 Germany, #4 Switzerland, #5 Australia, #6 US.

World Population Review. Countries with the highest human development index:

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/best-countries-to-live-in

#1Norway, #2 Ireland, #3 Switzerland, #4 Iceland, #5 Hong Kong, #6 Germany, #7 Sweden, #8 Netherlands, #9 Australia, #10 Denmark. #17 US.

And I could go on and on. All those surveys are originated in the US. It doesn't matter, and it's not the purpose of my posts anyway. I lived in the US, and loved it. It may not be the best country in the world, but it's a great country indeed, definitely much better than mine.

The whole "second amendment" thing is not about people's rights, and it's definitely not about freedom. It's (like most everything in the world) about money. The US is the biggest market for firearms in the world, and the NRA is one of the biggest lobbies in Washington, and all  they care about is their bottom line. That's why they politicized the issued, and that's why they oppose (and will keep opposing) any gun related law, ever.
It doesn't matter anyway. Sooner or later, firearms WILL get regulated. What's sad is all the people that are gonna have to die before that happens.

Either way, to answer your question: I'm into cryptocurrency because I've been unemployed since April 2020, and (despite actively hunting for jobs daily) I've been unable to get one. One of the biggest problems my country has is a very high unemployment rate, and, honestly, I'm sick of it.

In any case, I accept your apology, and let me extend you mine. We were both out of line. If you want to come to my country, I'll be happy to welcome you. Give me a few months so I can get back on my feet. In any case, the COVID lockdown is not as harsh as last year, but it's still in effect.
Just don't expect it to be nearly as pretty as the US is...

Oh, I forgot. Sorry. Merry Christmas (or Xmas, as it says on a thread I've been evading lately) to you too, and to everybody.

Ok, cnut237 was way too nice in his post. I'm not.
So let me rephrase it for you: the choice is, either you get vaccinated and you live with the rest of us, you get counterfeit paperwork and take your chances to spend some time in prison, or don't get vaccinated and move to a ghetto with other anti vaxxers, so you can all die in peace. Sounds good enough?
After all, you're all pro-choice, and so am I. That way, you have the choice to decide whether to smarten up or keep up the bullshit, and society has the choice to decide whether to allow you to infect others.

That sounds about right?

Gyfts: sorry, you were probably typing your reply when I edited my prior post, so you didn't read the last part.

Vaccination campaigns work, and have proven to do so many times in the past, and yeah, even against upper respiratory infections (tuberculosis rings a bell?). The reason why influenza has not been beat (yet) is because there are actually more than 1000 viruses that cause it, not because of it being an upper respiratory disease, or because of its transmissibility, etc.

No, there isn't. The fact that a vaccine has a rated statistical efficacy doesn't necessarily mean there will be a percentage of the population that will be infected because it didn't work. No vaccine ever created had a 100% efficacy, and many diseases have been eradicated because of consistent vaccination plans. Polio is the most common case, and the polio vaccine had a 60% efficacy, give or take.

Yet, polio vaccination (along with many other vaccine mass application) has not ended, and has been going on for longer than I've been alive, and nobody is asking "when it will end", yet covid vaccination started less than a year ago, and everybody is whining about it.
Here's a news flash: it's an emergency vaccine, so it's meant to be either approved for regular use or replaced by a better product, once there is one, but the actual vaccination is probably gonna last a long time.

To make it short: I don't care.
I'm not an infectologist, nor am I qualified in any way to make decisions as to how to deal with the pandemic, so I trust those that are. I don't follow bullshit "news" with an agenda. If a new vaccine comes available, I'll stick my arm out. Otherwise, I have enough problems as it is, to be wasting my time on things I know nothing about.

What I meant is Telegram functionality, and ultimately the honesty (or lack thereof) of the people behind it.
Of course, ultimately,  any social media platform will be as reliable as the people you interact with. What I want to know is if people I DON'T interact with (like Zuckerberg on Facebook, for example) will be covertly taking measures that may be against my interests.

Are we there yet? Are we there yet?
That's all I read. Amazing.

The plan (as far as they say) is to vaccinate as many people as possible. Past a certain percentage of the population, herd immunity can be achieved and the need for vaccinating everybody decreases.
Meanwhile, the virus keeps mutating, and extra doses may or may not be needed. In any case, you can choose not to be vaccinated, and deal with the consequences, should you have to.

And again, you stepped on your own BS and (unwillingly, I bet) let us know about your real motives. So it's all about "having the last word" for you...
By the way, I didn't misquote you. In fact, I didn't quote you at all. Maybe you should learn your own language, before trying to use someone else's.


Ha ha, the United States ("America" is a continent) is FAR from the freest country anywhere, let alone the whole Earth. Maybe you should stop staring at your belly button for just a second, and realize there are other countries out there. In fact, you don't even have to look far: take a good look at Canada, you're bound to learn a thing or two. No guarantees you'd like what you learn though.


Yeah, and you're a clear example of the "good education" some Americans have.
But let's talk about my country. We've had, since the 1920's (that is, BEFORE WWII, for you, self proclaimed history buff), many military governments. And do you know what all those governments have in common? WE KICKED THEM ALL OUT, NO WEAPONS NEEDED. How does that feel for YOU? Maybe you should concentrate more on growing a pair, so you can keep your own government in check.
And yeah, our current VP is much more corrupt than you could ever imagine. How does that prove your point?
And BTW, inflation as of late (say, the last 30 years or so), has been pretty mild compared to historical records, so there go your "BTC and crypto" theory.
And just for the record: it doesn't feel like anything to have somebody without a clue talking about my country. It's actually kinda funny to read your ignorant BS about it. But you keep calling me names... while hiding behind a keyboard, half a world away. I renew my invitation to come say it to my face, if you can ever find a pair of balls to go with your mouth. I guess that clearly proves my point about you  being a pussy, doesn't it?


So you keep saying, and you keep running your mouth... from afar. But I still don't see you coming here to prove it. I can't go back to the US (if I wanted), otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation, with or without guns.
So you need guns to control the British King, don't you? You should've called us, we kicked them out TWICE (in 1806 and 1807) without guns. And, in fact, if you had a brain you could learn from the British, Canadians, Australians, and other countries that have managed to become some of the BEST COUNTRIES ON EARTH, while under their rule.
Incidentally, I was born in Argentina, and lived in the US for almost 13 years, and yeah, I've seen first hand, MANY TIMES, UNFORTUNATELY, the real power of your second amendment.

So, what the hell are you arguing about? The "poster above" talking about keeping guns off the hands of lunatics was ME! The problem with your "system" is that, once the damage is done, IT'S DONE, you can't take it back.
BTW, yeah, English is my second language, but I can read it and write it just fine. In fact, if you had just ONE working brain cell, you might realize I've been replying to you in English from the start. But then again, that may be a bit too complicated for you, isn't it?

There's always hope. Sometimes it's harder to find.

To be able to connect, almost every day I have to walk about 9 blocks to the nearest Starbucks store, because there's no wi-fi where I live. Yesterday, when I was going back home, I almost got robbed. Nothing happened, as I caught the guy before he could even try, and I know how to deal with them. But the fact remains that, have it been anybody else, they would've been robbed in a heartbeat, and the situation would've probably looked hopeless.
I see people walking around like zombies every day, and it pisses me off when they're robbed. But in most cases they could've avoided it just by paying attention.

luckypenguin: answer is simple: trust nobody.
That said, this is a great place to learn. Soon enough you will learn which members are to be trusted and which aren't.
Besides that, I personally have already taken 5 different courses on cryptocurrency from Udemy.com and The Pirate Bay. They're the same courses, but on TPB they're free (Udemy is very affordable though, especially when they're having a sale), so you can adapt to your circumstances.

I think you're wrong. In fact, this thread is a clear example of it.
OP, go to The Pirate Bay, and download courses for whatever you want to learn. Many trades are fairly easy to learn, and will at least take you out of the situation you're living. Besides that, there are a number of sites, like TutsNode.com, in which you can find courses you can make from home, on your own schedule, on pretty much everything. I have downloaded courses from programming to photography and bread baking (and cryptocurrency, of course.  ).
Good luck!

I agree.  I'm learning python as we speak, and it's very easy and straightforward. Make sure you also learn flowcharting (it's easy enough), as it will make your programming way easier (and it literally takes just a day or two).
There are plenty of python courses available online. I have downloaded two of them from The Pirate Bay for free, as well as other courses on C, C#, C++, Javascript, Kotlin, etc.
Otherwise, there are a number of online academies (called MOOCs) you can look at. I have been using Udemy, and, so far, I'm very happy with it. They have a huge selection of courses, in a variety of languages, and there's always a sale happening or about to happen.

Ooohhh, DEFINITELY!
Thank you o_e_l_e_o. I have bookmarked them already!

And THERE'S YOUR PROBLEM...!
Why don't we go a step further, and say you're unwilling to forfeit your rights to make a quick buck just because somebody may die because of it?
Isn't that what drug dealers say? At least they're more honest...
But how about forfeiting some lunatic's right to slaughter a room full of kids, just so you can make that quick buck. Are you willing to forfeit that?
I mean, as far as I know, the move was always to limit gun ownership to those that are qualified for it. Aren't you?

But, hey, in his endless ranting, cmg777 actually did say something useful (I'm sure it was completely unintended, though): your kind are "unwilling to forfeit your rights" because you're pussies. You're terrified at the sole idea of having to face another human being without having the perceived advantage of a weapon strapped to your body. 

"Law" (or some kind of law) is eventually enforced by the masses. At that, society can be thought of as self stabilizing.
Of course, if a given society lost, all of a sudden, any kind of control, there'd be chaos, but fortunately that doesn't happen: the descent into lawlessness takes years, sometimes decades.
Before, when I said Argentina is a lawless place, I was joking, but I wasn't. In the name of democracy and "human rights" we have evolved (or "devolved") into a society that protects the victimizer instead of the victim.
Then again, we didn't turn into a place where honest people became victims by default. On the contrary, honest people have just adapted and learned to defend ourselves, so now justice is not as "just", but it's much more swift, and some kind of law (some may say the "law of the jungle", which in any case is better than no law at all) prevails.

Some years ago, in one little town in Central America (it may have been Honduras, but I can't remember), a guy stole a chicken to eat, and the neighbors caught him. When the police from a nearby bigger town showed up, the neighbors had already killed him.
Now, you may say that's savagery, maybe it is. But that town hadn't seen a single crime in over 44 years. How many towns in the world can say the same?