Hmm its true, i see master confirmed it so it would be logical for tbz to delete his neg trust. Anyways i dont think begging on pm once should be considered to require a red trust, i guess if he did it repeatedly then yes but only once? I mean he didnt scam anyone.
But a scam accusation against ume is a weird thing aswell, he didnt scam no one but i get your point.
Actually my last accusation against him was giving himself positive trust from his alt account.But even then he got no negative trust. Yeah Begging shouldn't mean a negative trust, but if its on me for not doing anything, then it should be on him as he is the main culprit behind it. But again we have everyone jumping over ndhnc and not caring about things like these. |
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Also the guy who is in the picture is probably CNET's Editor Scott Stein. Looks just like him. Probably searching for him would get you a similar photo with something else on the paper.
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Mr. Mark White is also pretty much shopped.
Yeah, his forefinger makes that obvious. Even the cloudthink logo on that doesn't look right and is just put there with MS paint or something. |
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Can some trusted member neg trust Ume's account . All the proof is there in the op. I see that relating to another scam accusation , everyone jumped the gun. But nobody cares here.
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Dude all these whiny posts about vod or quickseller are just from butthurt scammers, i dont even know how anyone would take them seriously, most of them have negative ratings from other important people aswell such as badbear or tomatocage, you name it. They then often try to say that qs is an alt of badbear or that kind of stupid shit, 99.9% of quickseller or vod ratings are accurate, maybe theres a case where they failed, everyone can fail but that doesnt mean they should be gone from the default trust list.
Really ? How do you know this ? Do you look at each case personally ? Just day before a trusted member ndhnc was accused by Quickseller in the scam accusation, which is likely incorrect . So you are saying ndhnc is a butthurt scammer now ? ndnhc hasn't responded to that accusation. So don't jump to a conclusion now. I am not jumping to any conclusion. I just said it is likely incorrect, but we will know by next week. I have my own theory on this, which you can read on that thread. |
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I would suggest adding user master-p to the list. He is an escrow here, and has really been helpful. From what I know he doesn't even charge a fees. And is online most of the time.
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Dude all these whiny posts about vod or quickseller are just from butthurt scammers, i dont even know how anyone would take them seriously, most of them have negative ratings from other important people aswell such as badbear or tomatocage, you name it. They then often try to say that qs is an alt of badbear or that kind of stupid shit, 99.9% of quickseller or vod ratings are accurate, maybe theres a case where they failed, everyone can fail but that doesnt mean they should be gone from the default trust list.
Really ? How do you know this ? Do you look at each case personally ? Just day before a trusted member ndhnc was accused by Quickseller in the scam accusation, which is likely incorrect . So you are saying ndhnc is a butthurt scammer now ? |
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I think there is a good chance that ndnhc was framed. There are several candidates:
1. Quickseller: He has been after ndnhc due to dadice. Considering his ability it will be easy for him to set up.
2. Twipple: Has the motive to make Quickseller look bad.
3. Any other like Twipple with a similar grudge against Quickseller.
4. Someone who hates ndnhc and wants him gone. As a campaign manager who denies and kicks participants he may have some enemies.
What concerns me is that Quickseller is easy to fool and yet the first responses are mostly bashing ndnhc with no one analyzing the accusation. In the last page he makes another accusation which turns out to be incorrect.
Seeing the feedback on ndnhc, Vod has literally copy pasted his. I wonder if he even took the time to read through the allegation.
To address 2. and 3. There are more than enough people on the forum with negative trust. If you look at question2 's posting history, it seems he has posted only 4-5 times . If I wanted Quickseller or anyone to find out, I would literally spam the forum and threads which Quickseller follows with that address, and not a games and round thread with an address not remotely linked. For 3. If someone had tipped Quickseller about that, then maybe could be another person. But in this case it wasn't true. Maybe you should add a 5th, and connect the dots to what i posted before. It is very well a possibility: Ok, I just have a theory which may or may not be true . But it is a possibility . I have never done business with ndnhc . But I happened to have used an address recently on purpose which was related to him. Kind of something I did on random but not to toss around any accusations, It was for something I do not wish to disclose, neither will I . The address I posted in a way was linked to ndnhc . edit: And No it wasn't the address what question2 posted. Recently after my account was wrongly accused of something I am not even remotely related with. Quickseller even gave me a negative trust because of it . I even started a few threads on Meta against Quickseller denying all the things, and providing proof that I bought the account , and It seemed to have pissed him off. Now no one knew that I posted that address and it was related to ndhnc, but only Quickseller did, probably because he was stalking me since a while to find something to relate me to a scam or something. Anyways, he never even talked about bought it until today. Now suddenly I saw this thread today , and I didn't want to get related to ndnhc, from the address I posted a couple weeks back , so naturally I went ahead and deleted it. Now suddenly all of a sudden Quickseller posted this : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1072974.msg11473720#msg11473720He claimed and knew about the address I had posted. Here is what I believe: Quickseller is pissed off with me , since I might be one reason he went off the trust list, even though he is back now. I believe he created an alt question2 to get it a negative trust. He tried to get ransom from another user Joca who he found out had an alt account somehow. (Only Quickseller is good enough to figure out alts so well) . Then he posted some guy's address, which in a way linked to someone, I had posted an address to about couple days back. I believe the next step after ndnhc denying everything , would be Quickseller claiming of me to have posted an address related to ndnhc , and he would claim, that I am question2, and therefore getting negative trust on me permanently, and him taking revenge with me. Here is why I believe so: I was just looking at all the threads and question2's activity on the forum. It seems question2 posted a thread against Joca on May 10th. Now, I don't really expect someone to be following some scammer for a long time, since there are so many people on the forum with negative trust. question2 posted the address just yesterday : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=996260.msg11467648#msg11467648at 9:44 PM. And just after , Quickseller started this thread, like he has been following the scammer from a long time, which I see no reason why he would do so, and that too from a Games and Rounds thread. After this Quickseller made that post today https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1072974.msg11473720#msg11473720Looking at the whole thing, I now feel Quickseller is only doing so , to get me a permanent negative trust in a way revenge by him . Again, I can't be sure, but I see no other reason why Quickseller follows me like crazy, and didn't even post about that address before, even after I was accused of being an alt of a scammer by him. He also happened to be following that other guy question2 , right when he posted the address, and started the scam accusation. Now before this gets to me, I wanted to clarify everything about what I feel on this. I already have a negative trust by quickseller, wouldn't bother if I get more anyways. This theory is only true, if ndnhc denies the accusation against him. Its just a hunch that I have because of a few things. One of them is the address user question2 posted 12Ey8KPWPcv22VVUdZWCTQFZH97Yy1XAuE , if you look it up on blockchain, it hasn't had any transaction in the last 5 months, which could mean 2 things. ndnhc was trying to use another address for the giveaway, or someone is trying to frame him . |
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Stopping it temporarily would have no effect, people would keep posting in order to "prove a point" and increase their activity for the inevitable return.
I think the opposite. The activity can still be increased by just making one post a day. But people here essentially make 20-40 a day , which I believe is more because of the signatures . Maybe theymos should just test it out by disabling signatures for a week. |
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I see two possibilities where ndnhc is not the culprit.
Someone hates him, he knows that Quickseller is going after each scammer and is using this website that connects addresses to a wallet. (Forgot the name) You simply need to search an address you know belongs to ndnhc and post an address you know is connected to that one. You might even give Quickseller a tip or wait until he finds it himself.
Quickseller said that no one tipped him about it, and he found it himself. One thing which is also not normal in this case is , Quickseller starting a thread, which he only did while he was not in the trust list. Usually from what I have seen he just gives the negative trust with all the proof. But again, we come back to what I posted 2 pages back. |
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@Twipple: You mean the guy who sold you your bitcointalk account wasn't on the up and up? Dishonest account merchant? Who's left to trust???
Hey, why don't you leave him a negative trust rating, to warn other righteous account buyers?
Basically I had a scam accusation regarding something against him, later I bought an account from him(through my alt). And first, he sent a message begging to someone, before selling it to me (for which he has a negative trust) . Second is a bit complicated to explain, so I am going to skip it. |
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No it's not possible. That feedback is to warn others that the member was a proven scammer before the transition to the current trust system. (Issued by a administrator controlled account)
What if i bought the account? will they remove it? Nope not even then. The problem is that account sales can be faked, so that would again mean that the scammer could essentially just sell the account to himself. I can provide proof, pm's can be showm, ip addresses can be checked and they can also check for any prior interaction between the addresses and the forum ip addresses Well, I am on the same boat  However I had an extra proof, that I started a scam accusation against the guy(and his alts) who sold it to me. But even then no one believes a word I say. |
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No it's not possible. That feedback is to warn others that the member was a proven scammer before the transition to the current trust system. (Issued by a administrator controlled account)
What if i bought the account? will they remove it? Nope not even then. The problem is that account sales can be faked, so that would again mean that the scammer could essentially just sell the account to himself. |
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1.If it's impossible to know, then it's impossible to prove, right ?
2. Maybe not, but still its a strange coincidence. Anyways, there's no better way to make enemies than to be a signature campaign manager.
If thats the case then all the scams that have happened in the past could argue the same way . But yeah , there is no way to know without him being online. |
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I doubt QS would try to frame someone, but i am 99.9% sure that this extortion , and link with ndnhc's addy is framed.
If you take a minute and think about it, theres no chance ndnhc would do this, but hey; theres nothing easier than to accuse someone that is away..
The problem with such an assumption is that it is impossible to know. Its funny how people suddenly attack everything related to dadice.. As for this, from what I see ndhnc is not related in anyway, but is only managing their campaign. So I believe this has nothing to do with Dadice. |
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I dont believe this is true QS. One thing that would make this more likely to be true, would be if the extortionist was asking for money with that address, and not just "accidently" place ndnhc's addy in that post. My guess is that the scammer tried to take money from joca97 , and when he failed to do so , he "randomly" placed ndnhc's address in that post. Example; let's say that someone tries to extort you for BTC, knowing u did something, but just places your btc addy
i know xyz, if you dont send money to 3Gamj7SrTP2adhDGoVKejDZSEJGQnJxK8Y i will expose this and have you banned !
And now imagine if someone accuses you for this... I wonder did you find that yourself, or did some1 gave you a "tip" about this? 1 second in my sane mind tells me that ndnhc would never do this, especially given the fact that he asks for freaking 0,1 btc !! Think about it. That is a very likely possibility , and is usually done with a motive. If incase ndhnc comes clean at the end of this , you should read my post on the last page of what I believe to be the motive. |
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Is this a vendetta from quick seller? Quick seller of course dont like ndnhc after he allowed tspacepilot to join the campaign even after quick seller give red trust to tspacepilot
If quickseller is trying to frame him in this, it would be a shame. Although it may be that he's simply frustrated with his inability to successfully troll the dadice threads (as he tried for a while). Who knows? Just to clear up, my post on the last page rather meant a vendetta against me, as he pointed out just today morning that he knew I posted the address from a few weeks back. It could very well be against ndnhc, but I feel he wouldn't have posted on my thread this morning , if it was. |
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Twipple please stop embarrasing yourself, ok we get it, you dont like quickseller, he left you a negative trust rating and now you are devoting your life to trashtalk him through the forum and no im not one of his alts. What do you mean you happened to hse an address on purpose wich was related to him? You deleted becausr you saw this thread and got scared? Or did you delete it because you are another alt of ndnhc and you didnt want people to know and when quickseller found out you deleted it?
I don't care about embarrassing myself firstly. He left me a negative trust for me not being a scammer. I saw this thread today, and deleted it right after. But Quickseller was too quick on following that. He knew I had posted a similar address and quickly pointed out. Don't you think that if he knew I posted ndhnc's address a month back, then he would have started this thread right then ? Since according to QS I am a scammer, so that would have made ndhnc a scammer as well. But again, I am not going to make any conclusions until ndhnc comes online to defend himself. Because until that happens, we might just be arguing for no reason. |
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