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221  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: GPU working at half speed... Opencl and ADL mismatch? on: June 28, 2013, 08:10:37 PM
All unusual or specific situations, I guess. There are always exceptions.
Yeah, very true.

I don't see why anyone would mine on Server 2008, unless you actually had some nice cards in a real server that had hardware which truly required that OS.

Well.. matter of taste I guess.
I personally see no reason why s1 would ever use 95/98/me/xp/vista/7/8 ; )
Especially on headless mining rig.
222  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: GPU working at half speed... Opencl and ADL mismatch? on: June 28, 2013, 06:33:55 PM
I made two dummy plugs today

Dummy plugs have no use as of the last few driver 1x. versions in windows. Not sure about other OS.

Yes they do ; )

1) Windows Server 2008, clean install, any driver version - no GPUs work at all without dummy.
2) Asrock 970 extreme3 r2.0, Windows 7, my friend was having issues until he plugged dummy in one of the cards, can't provide details atm.
But display connected/dummy forces Windows to make that GPU primary/master and sometimes it matters.
3) nVidia + AMD cards, Windows 7, unless dumy is plugged into AMD card it won't work
223  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: 1 BTC Free on: June 28, 2013, 03:49:53 AM
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224  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Paying .05btc for Good 7950 drivers/working settings (ReOPEN!!) on: June 28, 2013, 02:26:03 AM
+in "\AMD\AMD_Catalyst_13.6_Beta2\Packages\Drivers\Display\W86A_INF\B157935\" directory I've also found

amd_opencl32.dll
amd_opencl64.dll

but I bet it's just renamed OpenCL.dll
anyway if you notice them somewhere(System32/Syswow64 probably) - delete them also.
Yuppers, Also, I THINK WE HAVE A WINNER!, Please post your BTC addr, I will send them by tommorrow after i have done a 12 hour test, Right meow i am gaming and mining happily.
You seemed to have solved my issue

THANKYOU SO VERYMUCH

hey, w8, so.. what was the solution? : D
U've deleted OpenCL installed automatically with the 13.6 driver and then installed older OpenCL, right?

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225  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Paying .05btc for Good 7950 drivers/working settings (ReOPEN!!) on: June 28, 2013, 02:19:51 AM
+in "\AMD\AMD_Catalyst_13.6_Beta2\Packages\Drivers\Display\W86A_INF\B157935\" directory I've also found

amd_opencl32.dll
amd_opencl64.dll

but I bet it's just renamed OpenCL.dll
anyway if you notice them somewhere(System32/Syswow64 probably) - delete them also.
226  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Paying .05btc for Good 7950 drivers/working settings (ReOPEN!!) on: June 28, 2013, 02:17:21 AM
Ok, so unpacked OpenCL.msi from 13.1 driver looks like this -

"/program files/AMD APP/bin/x86_64/"
amdocl_as.exe
amdocl_ld.exe

"/System32/"
amdocl.dll
OpenCL.dll
OpenVideo.dll
OVDecode.dll
SlotMaximizerAg.dll
SlotMaximizerBe.dll

"/System64/"
amdocl64.dll
OpenCL.dll
OpenVideo64.dll
OVDecode64.dll
SlotMaximizerAg.dll
SlotMaximizerBe.dll
clinfo.exe


So.. find them and delete them.
After deleting run Ccleaner -> Registry, run it several times until it won't find any 'issues', this will de-register OpenCL from Windows.
To confirm, run GPU-Z, it should launch and report no OpenCL installed.

Now you can install the 'old' OpenCL.
227  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Paying .05btc for Good 7950 drivers/working settings (ReOPEN!!) on: June 28, 2013, 02:12:41 AM
I sense manual removal of Opencl )))
Gonna do that... Meow...
Just tested the current installation, and computer is acting "sticky" and mining crashes while gaming.
Gonna delete the OpenCL.dll files... Make SURE that they are gone, Then try to run the 12.8 installer for it's SDK

w8, dont run any installer yet ; )
228  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Paying .05btc for Good 7950 drivers/working settings (ReOPEN!!) on: June 28, 2013, 02:08:17 AM
I sense manual removal of Opencl )))
229  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Paying .05btc for Good 7950 drivers/working settings (ReOPEN!!) on: June 28, 2013, 02:06:48 AM
I'd like to have the CCC installed so that i can control desktop colour/gamma/contrast/brightness

Hm. This requirement changes things a lot.
Lets first check if you will be able to play and mine without Catalyst and then figure out how to make it with Catalyst or find a way to control colour/gamma/constast without Catalyst, ok?
Sounds good to me.
Im back after installing the 13.6 DISPLAY DRIVER via Device manager->browse and GPU-Z shows that OpenCL is ticked. It was not ticked when it drivers were "cleaned up"

This means that 13.4+ even with manual install it installs OpenCL anyway.. not good.
Ok. Can you launch cgminer, check runtime version, install older OpenCL and check version in cgminer again?
230  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Paying .05btc for Good 7950 drivers/working settings (ReOPEN!!) on: June 28, 2013, 01:59:28 AM
I'd like to have the CCC installed so that i can control desktop colour/gamma/contrast/brightness

Hm. This requirement changes things a lot.
Lets first check if you will be able to play and mine without Catalyst and then figure out how to make it with Catalyst or find a way to control colour/gamma/constast without Catalyst, ok?
231  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Paying .05btc for Good 7950 drivers/working settings (ReOPEN!!) on: June 28, 2013, 01:57:13 AM
So im here after rebooting, And im just noticing that now SDK's are not even freaking mentioned in either the 13.4 or 13.6 driver setup files. Where is it hidden in? I'd like to have the CCC installed so that i can control desktop colour/gamma/contrast/brightness



Please stop calling it SDK ; )
And, as I've mentioned earlier, starting from 13.4 it is embedded in the driver, so the files are in
AMD\Support\13-4_win7_win8_64_dd_ccc_whql\Packages\Drivers\Display\W86A_INF\B155215\
but there is no msi installer, so u can't install it manually(without some mess).
232  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Paying .05btc for Good 7950 drivers/working settings (ReOPEN!!) on: June 28, 2013, 01:45:25 AM
Btw, if after cleanup Windows still will detect "AMD Radeon" video card, then either Windows is using update or amd cleanup util screwed up.
In this case go to device manager and uninstall the driver manually and tick "delete driver files"
233  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Paying .05btc for Good 7950 drivers/working settings (ReOPEN!!) on: June 28, 2013, 01:43:24 AM
Might be a good idea to run CCleaner after u finish with AMD cleanup.

Also, u might want to check if exists and delete following -
"Program Files (x86)/AMD APP"
Windows/System32(+SysWOW64)/OpenCL*.*
I usually also delete amd*.* and ati*.* - but this can cause issues if system has some other AMD/ATI hardware.
234  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Paying .05btc for Good 7950 drivers/working settings (ReOPEN!!) on: June 28, 2013, 01:36:42 AM
I'd rather
0) disable windows to install drivers from auto-update(Control Panel->System->Advanced System Settings->Hardware->Windows Update Driver Settings)
1) run amd_cleanup_util_1.2.1.0.exe and reboot
2) install driver manually, c.panel->system->device manager->ur gpu->right click->update->browse->pick from a list->have disk-> \AMD\Support\12-6_vista_win7_64_dd_ccc_whql\Packages\Drivers\Display\W76A_INF\->ok
3) launch GPU-Z and verify that there is no OpenCL ticked
4) install OpenCL

On step 4, Install from where? the 12.8 setup? or the 12.8's setup files?

\AMD\Support\12-6_vista_win7_64_dd_ccc_whql\Packages\Apps\OpenCL64\OpenCL.msi


235  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Paying .05btc for Good 7950 drivers/working settings (ReOPEN!!) on: June 28, 2013, 01:32:44 AM
I'd rather
0) disable windows to install drivers from auto-update(Control Panel->System->Advanced System Settings->Hardware->Windows Update Driver Settings)
1) run amd_cleanup_util_1.2.1.0.exe and reboot
2) install driver manually, c.panel->system->device manager->ur gpu->right click->update->browse->pick from a list->have disk-> \AMD\Support\12-6_vista_win7_64_dd_ccc_whql\Packages\Drivers\Display\W76A_INF\->ok
3) launch GPU-Z and verify that there is no OpenCL ticked
4) install OpenCL
236  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Paying .05btc for Good 7950 drivers/working settings (ReOPEN!!) on: June 28, 2013, 01:20:06 AM
Dear sir, How do i go about installing the 12.6's SDK when the SDK's are "built in" to the 13.x drivers :S
Also I doubt this is the issue due to the factor that my Working drivers (12.Cool use SDK 2.8 wich is the same that the 13.x's use

yo, man! : D

1) SDK = Software Development Kit, it has nothing to do with the runtime.. well ofc, why would anyone need SDK without the runtime?)))
long story short.. SDK is not built-in in the driver, neither is the runtime(lower than 13.4, in 13.4 runtime is indeed built-in.. installation process is, to be precise)

2) Almost each version of ATI driver has different OpenCL runtime bundled - http://www.hal6000.com/seti/boinc_ati_gpu_cheat_sheet.htm

3) OpenCL runtime is located in \AMD\Support\12-6_vista_win7_64_dd_ccc_whql\Packages\Apps\OpenCL64\OpenCL.msi


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I am stuck on 12.8 drivers, I can't fnd newer drivers that I can Mine While Gaming on

From this I've assumed u need newer drivers for gaming, but u can't mine with newer drivers..
So, my idea was - why not to use new drivers and old opencl?
237  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Anyone install Win7 to a USB drive on their rig? on: June 27, 2013, 10:21:04 PM
Also there is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WinBuilder
I've tried it with xp/2k3, running full blown windows from CD is amazing ; ))
238  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Paying .05btc for Good 7950 drivers/working settings (ReOPEN!!) on: June 27, 2013, 05:41:22 PM
How about installing 13.4 driver(or the best for gaming) + OpenCL from 12.6 driver?
+ disabling all Catalyst stuff
239  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Powered PCIE risers with capacitors on: June 27, 2013, 01:50:26 AM
+ I would not call Sanyo OS-CON "shitty little capacitor" )
Of course they are not suitable for power lines on tube amps, but nevertheless))
240  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Powered PCIE risers with capacitors on: June 27, 2013, 01:36:40 AM
If riser is done 'good' there is no reason it will cause fire.
And capacitor might be a good idea - it will smoothen voltage fluctuations, assuming it is on the 12v line.

Fail..........

There is this myth that slapping loads of  uf about has to be good, because its like magic and can store power......,
In reality it is only 'good' if it is part of a deeper understanding of EXACTLY WHAT a capacitor does and WHY it is there.

An example.....

I had a 'friend'  nosing at one of my rig power supplies,  his analysis was I had  useless capacitors, " no need to have .1uF capacitors across electrolytics, becasue 300uF is far bigger for storing power that it 'swamps' the .1uf (yep.. ok , if I need any finger painting done.. I know who to call)

Considering a Video card can pull several tens of Amps during a peak, all a shitty little ill placed capacitor on the wires is going to do  is become a potential source for power-supply ringing.....(amazing fact no 1..... a capacitor acts as SHORT until it is charged up..... the inrush is limited only by the resistance of the connections....)



Shunting 'big' capacitors with small 'fast' ones is a common practice usually they use ceramicfilm ones to shunt eletrcolytes.
However in terms of capacitance ur friend was right ; )

And video card does NOT pull "several tens of Amps during a peak" from the motherboard.
Please read at least wiki ; )

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