Start Islam 2.0. Outline your dogma. Specify that you think Hadiths are bunch of hearsay/horseshit and do not really belong in Islam 2.0.
See what will happen? Muslims in the country you live in will come and kill you.
Just because you read and interpret Quran in a peaceful way does not mean than other Muslims will do the same.
Your religion has problems BECAUSE its followers are ignorant of any new interpretations (such as yours), and kill anyone who criticizes
Islam, or even draws a cartoon of the main character in the story.
If you don't see this as a problem, then I'm sorry, you are as ignorant as ISIS followers and sympathizers.
i am actually enjoying now this thread, i hope this will opens some eyes..... First of all , i am not starting a new religion ( what you called Islam 2.0), i am telling what Quran says, the whole idea behind sending a messenger/warner is give the people the message , and the message in this case is QURAN. follow the Quran to sure your on the write path. Ask any Muslim what their source is , 99,999999 % of them , they will answer the Holy Quran. but when you see their act , they dont act what the Quran says but they acting what the hadiths are saying / what they learned from the imam / sholars / what the Mosque tells........ this is wierd i know , i did walked this path also , till i almost lost my religion/my beliefs , but i saw the light when i rejected the HADITHS as a part of the Quran / Islam. Your religion has problems BECAUSE its followers are ignorant of any new interpretations (such as yours), and kill anyone who criticizes
Islam, or even draws a cartoon of the main character in the story. again it is not my religion who shed fear and death , they are people, smart (evil)peoples who using the religion as a weapon, (evil)people with their own agenda. they wont have people get educated, they dont want the people get wealthy why because if you wanna control the people , you dont give them freewill, you keep them in fear , in captivity if you do this you will have power, and having power is nice.......humans are greedy, i am not go further . i am lucky to born in world where i can express my self, if i look the other side of this world my hart is hurt, when is see how inhumaan the humans are , it really hurts me. but when we look at the history it has been always this way..... again the Quran , triggers people to : - critisize - get educated - learn your neighboors - be nice to other humans - be nice to all living thing - do not follow blindly - be free in your choices - ect ect i can come with corroborating verses if you want...again my source is the Holy Quran, If you don't see this as a problem, then I'm sorry, you are as ignorant as ISIS followers and sympathizers.
ofcourse i am see this , but i also see this is not the blame of this religion AKA Islam , but action of the (evil) man SLM |
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I hate Muslims. They are all hypocrites and liars! I am sure that they support the terrorists are just afraid to admit it. Islam educates all alike. Simply, there are Muslims like me who do not believe in God. Those are not terrorists, but they are few.
LOOL there are Muslims like me who do not believe in God if you NOT beleave in God/Allah then your NOT a Muslim, you will be an Atheist or Agnostic depends what you beleave...... but if re-read your reply and try to understand, your saying ALL MUSLIMS are TERRORIST but only the Muslims who doesnt beleave in GOD are not terrorist......... |
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Hey could someone tell me the ICO price of Waves in USD? Many thanks.
about 36k sathosi approximately $0.2 and now 21K sat $0.23 , it is now higher then the ico price  Sorry to burst your bubble, it is not higher than ICO price, because we invested in BTC. Not in $. but i payed in real cash , if i cashed out , i will have more dollars then i put it in, eventually its all about cash , isint it ?? |
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I'm not sure why you don't see a causality between Muslim terrorists and the Islamist ideology. They tell you why they do it.
Listen to the youtube videos of ISIS fighters, they tell you exactly why they do it. They do it for Islam because of their Muslim beliefs.
They feel they are the true Muslims. If YOU disagree with them, go to the ISIS controlled area and educate them on the true Islam and the
teachings of the Quran.
See how the Sharia Law will handle your case.
My guess is they will execute you without a court. I am really confused  why do you not read my replys??? my MAIN SOURCE is Quran , I do not beleave in HADITHS , Hadiths made this belief evil. they wanna live the way of so called the way of the Prophet , his sunnah , what actually hearsaying is , hearsaying at least of 150 years , you GET IT , minimal 150 YEARS OF HEARSAYING My guess is they will execute you without a court not only that my whole family will be slaughter or sell / used as a slave. but is this what the Quran says .... NO but they will do it even its agains the will of Allah , and you will this see on youtube / or what media they use , and your opinion of the Islam will lower then now it is. funnie fact is the ISIS killing mainly Muslim people, but you still see them as Islam representatives ... why ..... because they say "Allahu Akbar" during slaughter , cause in your case only Muslims says Allahu Akbar..... please answer this : when become a person an Muslim ?you know why this all happens ? because mankind have free will ,it is your right as a human being , it is giving to you ( i know you dont beleave in this, but i do and i see this like so). eventually everybody is responsible due his act, and gonna pay or receive due his act |
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Hey could someone tell me the ICO price of Waves in USD? Many thanks.
about 36k sathosi approximately $0.2 and now 21K sat $0.23 , it is now higher then the ico price |
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When was the last time an atheist ran in to a crowded area with a suicide vest intent on killing as many innocents as possible? where in QURAN is says to do this ?? why is religion to blame ,if you REALLY beleave in Allah you wont do this, its agains his will its an human act.... again the biggest mistake of all is : MAKING HUMANS (action) AS AN RELIGION.When was the last time an atheist decided to mutilate his daughters genitals? where in QURAN say you have to circumcise an human You know what Quran say about a human body [Quran 95:6] Indeed, We created man in (the) best mould. http://islamawakened.com/quran/95/4/default.htm dont misstake culture with belief When was the last time as atheist decided to stone women, throw some gays off a high rise building or behead those who dont share their viewpoint. There is not ONE verse in the Quran saying this, this is inhumaan, I know that Islam is nothing more than another man made tecnique created to control others through fear. again you dont know anything , you did hear something , you see something on the net/tv most of you see so called Muslims do horrible things , and with this knowledge you build an ( bad)image of this belief...... but i agree with you, religion is(can be) an powerfull weapon, to un edicated people Science has actually delivered benefit to mankind, religion not so much (unless you enjoy being told how many times a day to get in the dirt, head down ass up)
P you know what the first command was/is from the Quran : IQRA ---> READ , read and develop yourself , educate yourself , be a better human. there were a time in history so called of a Golden years/age of Islam, but this is an whole different story... as i said before, they does not read Quran . as you guys , dont blame the religion of a mankinds deeds |
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Just wanted to say thank you to Sasha and the team for choosing to share the ByteBall profits amongst holders. A classy and generous move.
That's great to know and a good behaviour by Sasha They raise thousands of BTC from you people and then they are generous because they share 35btc with you? Did I miss anything?  first of all he doesnt have to that, it was not part of the deal second we get our btc share in waves coins, that was the deal we pay in BTC to get some wavescoins third you are trolling  Why does everyone throw the troll crap out there for stating facts, cold hard dingleberry facts. You don't like them and bury your head in the sand, that is your own business. The facts still and will always remain. lol nice picture is it a stating fact that the developer does do some charity to his coinholders, and immidiatly this idea get bashed while there were no agreements on this yes i call this trolling |
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I have little respect for you as in my opinion you are a lunatic believing in this ancient nonsense.
Try to study science and mathematics and pull yourself out of the intellectual hole your culture put you in.
I know it is not easy. I did it. It is very liberating to know that there are no boogy men.
You are wasting your life. Just don't kill others in the process.
I don't need your pity , nor your teachings. you dont know me yet you have an opinion about me aka lunatic , twit you name, why ...because i beleave in a creator, an thats bothers you ( i dont know why ). its allmost the same reaction of an extremist. In my opinion, Islam in its current version has no place in the 21st century you dont know nothing about the Islam yet you have an opinion, just what i said before . your god is science ( what you dont know is science doesnt know shit, most of them are assumptions , not facts ). You tried to belittle me ( still do), thats not respect , i assume your an atheist, ive got a lot of friends who are non beleavers, i am happy that they doesnt respond like you do ( and honestly there worse atheists then you ) i did reply to this thread because i saw misinformation about my belief. You are wasting your life btw I am not wasting my life with my belief but your right , just for you : [quran 109:6] : For you (is) your religion, and for me (is) my religion." http://islamawakened.com/quran/109/6/default.htmSLM |
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Waves Challenge Do you want to win 1,000 WAVES or a Waves t-shirt and laptop sticker? Then head over to https://xakep.ru/2016/12/29/coding-challenges-waves-platform/ (click for English translation) and solve the puzzles you’ll find there. Send your answers to evelina@wavesplatform.com. The first set of correct answers received will win 1,000 WAVES, with two runners-up receiving a t-shirt and sticker.[\quote] did anyone solved this puzzle , i honestly dont know what the puzzle is , i read it but didnt understand |
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Just wanted to say thank you to Sasha and the team for choosing to share the ByteBall profits amongst holders. A classy and generous move.
That's great to know and a good behaviour by Sasha They raise thousands of BTC from you people and then they are generous because they share 35btc with you? Did I miss anything? first of all he doesnt have to that, it was not part of the deal second we get our btc share in waves coins, that was the deal we pay in BTC to get some wavescoins third you are trolling |
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Just wanted to say thank you to Sasha and the team for choosing to share the ByteBall profits amongst holders. A classy and generous move.
SHare Byteball profits ?? How will that happen ? i think i missed something. i too think i missed something and i dont even now what share byteball profits are thx for showing me. i did read it but missed this part : Byteball Windfall
One of the first rewards to be distributed to WCT holders will be the Byteball windfall gained by registering some of the BTC held in Waves’ ICO funds. (Byteball is being distributed to BTC holders; no investment or loss of control of bitcoins is required, only signing a message with a BTC address.) Sasha managed to make 35 BTC with Byteball, and this will be distributed as a BTC token to WCT holders after the first tranche of WCT distribution. At this point, the token will take the form of an IOU, which will be redeemable for bitcoin once the first BTC gateway is operational. i still dont not now what this means ?? must we do something except holding the coins ?? |
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Just wanted to say thank you to Sasha and the team for choosing to share the ByteBall profits amongst holders. A classy and generous move.
SHare Byteball profits ?? How will that happen ? i think i missed something. i too think i missed something and i dont even now what share byteball profits are |
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~SNIP~
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there is not ONE fault or errors or contradiction in the QURAN , but there is alot contradictions , errors in hadiths. you do the math
and you still dont read my replys ( not all of them )........
again I DONT BELEAVE IN HADITHS AS A PART OF THE QURAN ...
if you still wanna discuss please do it gentle , we are humans we can discuss this like humans
again dont quote from hadiths especially not from anti-Muslim sites .
This TRUE kaffir, unlike you, a false kaffir (LOL, a kaffir only in the eyes of some Islamic extremists) would only comment here that there are many, many Muslims that would disagree with you on the issue of the Hadiths, which only leads me to more affirm the phrase "Islams." Secondly, of course we can find errors and contradictions in "the Koran." Those of us who by chance are not in a society in which we would be killed for finding such errors can say this. But those who are in a society where many things cannot be said cannot say such things. Therefore, this avenue of discussion may best be left silent. Perhaps the greatest criticism of Islam is not having to do with theological questions, but with the nature and quality of societies and cultures that it generates, and the nature of human behavior that it tolerates. The West does not send suicide bombers to protest the treatment of women in Muslim countries, nor to protest it's countless other abuses of human rights and dignity. On the contrary, these matters we believe can be settled peaceably. The Islams send their suicide bombers to places and cultures that have not and will not submit to their views of religion. But since the Islams cannot even agree among themselves as to the True and Right Way, they use the worst of these means of violence against each other as well as the West. All manner of Islams are compliant in this strife and its continuance and the exporting of it to the West. Are you calling me KAFIR LOOOL but i agree with you , not only extremist but most of the Muslim gonna say i am KAFIR, why because i reject the HADITHS as a PART OF THE QURAN, why do i reject the HADITHS because the QURAN SAYS SO Secondly, of course we can find errors and contradictions in "the Koran." find one please ( dont come with sites, give me your findings ) the biggest mistake of all is : MAKING HUMANS AS AN RELIGION. example when I break the laws of goverment whos fault is it me or the goverment we are humans , we are rebel , we have freedom of choice , if i choose something it will have some consuquents. but it is still the choice I MAKE ..... SLM |
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Really ?? first off all, Quran is not an ordinair book, cant read ( to understand) like book with chapters, the verses explain himself via verses. its also written in an ancient language in some arabic dialect ( Qureysi). if you read it , you have to be openminded. you came with sites who are agains Islam, and thats your source?? and did you check this sites and read what they said i dont think so, they said so it MUST BE ....... http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/ashraf.html --> 1000% agains Islam , but i opened your link.... first accusement : 1 :Embryonic Sex Determination : they quoted : (53:45-46) "That He did create the pairs - male and female from a sperm-drop* (nutfah) when lodged (in its place)" and this verse contradicts?? (75:38-39) "Was he not a drop of sperm emitted (in lowly form)? Then did he become a leech-like clot; then did (Allah) make and fashion (him) in due proportion. And of him He made the sexes, male and female" btw the verse are 37 , 38 and 39 what is here qouted , even that they couldnt write it down properly..... but i dont see the contradicts ?? like i said before it explain itself , the first quote says it is the sperm and second quote its expand it , what is here contradiction ?? BUT i am not gonna explain the whole website to you. it would be a pity for my efforts. cause your not serious about this. come direct to me with an contradict verses and ( Insha Allah) i will debunked for you. yet i am not a sholar nor i am a imam , i am a just a guy who re-discover his faith with rejecting the hadiths btw i my thoughts is me , my beleave its me , so you did ATTACK me PERSONALLY . in my opinion , if you confert to Islam you will be one of the extremist, to much hate SLM |
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~SNIP~
You cannot be that stupid. You can read it so I assume you have some education.
How in the world did you come up to the conclusion that Quran is a word of God and the hadiths are not.
Because someone wrote it is???
Quran was written by people!!!! You little twit.
If you agree with the Sharia Law, you are a despicable human being.
You cannot possibly believe in winged horses!!!! How stupid and gullible you have to be to believe in this shit?
You are like Christians who believe in good parts of the New Testament and ignoring all the juicy stuff the Old Testament has to offer.
why are you attacking me like that , cause you didnt like the answer i gave ?? didnt fit in your way of thinking what Muslims are i never call you anything , but you on the other hand ....... its tells me enough. but to answer your question : How in the world did you come up to the conclusion that Quran is a word of God and the hadiths are not.
Because someone wrote it is???there is not ONE fault or errors or contradiction in the QURAN , but there is alot contradictions , errors in hadiths. you do the math and you still dont read my replys ( not all of them )........ again I DONT BELEAVE IN HADITHS AS A PART OF THE QURAN ... if you still wanna discuss please do it gentle , we are humans we can discuss this like humans again dont quote from hadiths especially not from anti-Muslim sites . |
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...i am saying the Islam of this time has been CORRUPTED, only thing what didnt corrupt is, is the QURAN, and there is alot of ( Muslims) people who doesnt read the QURAN. they are listining to this IMAM or that SHOLAR or his uncle, his father, nephew ect ect......
IF that is so then Muslims have quite a few IMAMs or SCHOLARS to go take care of before Muslims worry about Westerners making cartoons of Mohammed. But they don't. WHat part of CORRUPT is not known by you ? they have idiolized the prophet agains his will, same as christians giving Jesus God status. you know what funny part is , Jesus is prophet like Muhammed, but if you makes cartoons about Jesus , they dont care but when you make a cartoon of Muhammed your dead .... its ABSURD. the Quran says , there is no dinstiction between the prophets :
The messenger believeth in that which hath been revealed unto him from his Lord and (so do) believers. Each one believeth in Allah and His angels and His scriptures and His messengers - We make no distinction between any of His messengers - and they say: We hear, and we obey. (Grant us) Thy forgiveness, our Lord. Unto Thee is the journeying. http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/2/285/default.htmagain they dont read the QURAN. and funny part is when the extremists sees my thoughts about this , i will be an disbeleaver AKA KAFIR in their eyes....... and i am , i see my self as an Muslim / Beleaver SLM |
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...but i have to say,Terrorists are only muslims,so because of them whole community gets a bad name.
Yep. My opinion is it deserves the bad name. If you have a car that is lovely and wonderful, but once in 100 times you drive it it loses control and kills people, this is not a good car. So yes, we certainly can judge Islam by the actions of it's violent minority. It's fun to watch all the double talk and propaganda that tries to divert attention from basic facts. Islam propagates violence, and it does so in huge amounts. as you propagates bad thing about Islam without no knowledge. your example about the car is not right. the car is Islam the driver is Muslim if the driver willingly kills people with this car , whos to blame is it ?? car or the driver Islam is the thoughts in his brain. From his perspective he is doing the right thing (for Allah and Islam). He thinks he is a good person. Islam enables this thought process. "Allahu Akbar", in case you forgot. "To die for the cause is a privilege". "Allah has chosen you to be his soldier." etc. Your car has many unsafe features, for example the Sharia Law, that must be removed before your car can be allowed on the roads outside of the Middle East. with do all respect, if you cant see the different between good and evil, its not the fault of the Islam and you also didnt read my replys about this also, i am saying the Islam of this time has been CORRUPTED, only thing what didnt corrupt is, is the QURAN, and there is alot of ( Muslims) people who doesnt read the QURAN. they are listining to this IMAM or that SHOLAR or his uncle, his father, nephew ect ect.... but they dont read the QURAN, with reading i mean read and understanding it With all do respect, Sharia Law is a moral code of lunatics. With all do respect, do you agree that the penalty for leaving Islam should be death? Yes or No? Are you sure you know Quran and Islamic teachings? The correct answer to kill apostates according to your FUCKED up religion. Quran (4:89) - "They wish that you should reject faith as they reject faith, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper." Quran (9:11-12) - "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist." Sahih Bukhari (52:260) - "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' " Sahih Bukhari (83:37) - "Allah's Apostle never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations: (1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) (2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and (3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle and deserted Islam and became an apostate." Sahih Bukhari (84:57) - [In the words of] "Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'" Sahih Bukhari (89:271) - A man who embraces Islam, then reverts to Judaism is to be killed according to "the verdict of Allah and his apostle." Sahih Bukhari (84:58) - "There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, 'Who is this (man)?' Abu Muisa said, 'He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism.' Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, 'I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice.' Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, 'Then we discussed the night prayers'" Sahih Bukhari (84:64-65) - "Allah's Apostle: 'During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection.'" This verse from the Hadith is worse than it appears because it isn't speaking solely of apostates, but those who say they believe but don't put their religion into practice. Sahih Bukhari (11:626) - "The Prophet said, 'No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the Fajr and the 'Isha' prayers and if they knew the reward for these prayers at their respective times, they would certainly present themselves (in the mosques) even if they had to crawl.' The Prophet added, 'Certainly I decided to order the Mu'adh-dhin (call-maker) to pronounce Iqama and order a man to lead the prayer and then take a fire flame to burn all those who had not left their houses so far for the prayer along with their houses'." Abu Dawud (4346) - "Was not there a wise man among you who would stand up to him when he saw that I had withheld my hand from accepting his allegiance, and kill him?" Muhammad is chastising his companions for allowing an apostate to "repent" under duress. (The person in question was Muhammad's former scribe, who left him after doubting the authenticity of divine "revelations" - upon finding out that grammatical changes could be made. He was brought back to Muhammad after having been captured in Medina). al-Muwatta of Imam Malik (36.18.15) - "The Messenger of Allah said, "If someone changes his religion - then strike off his head." Reliance of the Traveller (Islamic Law) o8.1 - "When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed." (o8.4 affirms that there is no penalty for killing an apostate). THANK YOU for showing me again there are people who doesnt read the Quran , yet they still have opinion. I am gonna try to answer your question , if you answer this : did you read the Quran , the whole Quran ? or do you only copy & paste btw i am only defent my book the QURAN i dont beleave in hadiths orso ... With all do respect, do you agree that the penalty for leaving Islam should be death? Yes or No?first the Quran says there is no compulsion in religion (There is) no compulsion in the religion.....http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/2/256/default.htmmy answers with capital letter NO, I have no right to judge an other HUMAN BEEN, everyone is responsible for his own actions. you quoted from Quran : Quran (4:89) - "They wish that you should reject faith as they reject faith, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper."but why did you not quote the rest it doesnt fit your idea's of this religion do you even read it yourself ?? or do you just do only copy & paste .... i shall quote and explain it to you: Quran (4:90) - "Unless it be such [of them] as have ties with people to whom you yourselves are bound by a covenant, or such as come unto you because their hearts shrink from [the thought of] making war either on you or on their own folk - although, if God had willed to make them stronger than you, they would certainly have made war on you. Thus, if they let you be, and do not make war on you, and offer you peace, God does not allow you to harm them..this verse has decented when the prophet were alive and he was in WAR with his hypocrited enemy. you quoted from Quran : Quran (9:11-12) - "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist."first of all this chapter ( ayaat) is talking about the hypocrites, the real enemy of the Islam. and again you didnt post the verses after this verse , but i will do it for you: Quran (9:13) - "Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths, and obsessed to expel the messenger, especially while they were the ones who attacked you first? Are you concerned about them? It is God who is more deserving that you be concerned with if you are believers.how can you today expel the messenger ?? not , again this verses came when the prophet were alive... and this shows you this is selfdefense. but you will not see it , cause you are searching negative and you will never find it if you are negative and the rest is bullshit , some man made rules is not the words of God(Allah). but what pity is , even some Muslims sees like your sights. pity SLM |
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does anyone knows what bonus means at the end of the rows ?? if you scroll to the left behind the names of some guys( girls ) it says Bonus |
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...but i have to say,Terrorists are only muslims,so because of them whole community gets a bad name.
Yep. My opinion is it deserves the bad name. If you have a car that is lovely and wonderful, but once in 100 times you drive it it loses control and kills people, this is not a good car. So yes, we certainly can judge Islam by the actions of it's violent minority. It's fun to watch all the double talk and propaganda that tries to divert attention from basic facts. Islam propagates violence, and it does so in huge amounts. as you propagates bad thing about Islam without no knowledge. your example about the car is not right. the car is Islam the driver is Muslim if the driver willingly kills people with this car , whos to blame is it ?? car or the driver Islam is the thoughts in his brain. From his perspective he is doing the right thing (for Allah and Islam). He thinks he is a good person. Islam enables this thought process. "Allahu Akbar", in case you forgot. "To die for the cause is a privilege". "Allah has chosen you to be his soldier." etc. Your car has many unsafe features, for example the Sharia Law, that must be removed before your car can be allowed on the roads outside of the Middle East. with do all respect, if you cant see the different between good and evil, its not the fault of the Islam and you also didnt read my replys about this also, i am saying the Islam of this time has been CORRUPTED, only thing what didnt corrupt is, is the QURAN, and there is alot of ( Muslims) people who doesnt read the QURAN. they are listining to this IMAM or that SHOLAR or his uncle, his father, nephew ect ect.... but they dont read the QURAN, with reading i mean read and understanding it |
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