Do you hate muslems?

[Daniel91]

I really dont hate muslims, what i hate is their natural inclination to commit violence all in the name of "allah"

Where did you see people like that? ISIS? Terrorist? It has often been said that ISIS and Terrorist was not a Muslim, confirmed they are not Muslims! There is no such doctrine in Islam, they are wrong in translating what is in the Quran. Jihad is when you fall in the war to defend Islam, but what they do not like it, but they told them jihad. It was very wrong. Do you know? People of Islam in the world feel hurt when people say that ISIS and Terrorist are muslim.

They feel that the traditional Islamic values (Sharia Law) are under attack from the West.  They feel that the Western countries and Israel are killing Muslims and launching crusades against the Muslim lands.  If you agree with that, you and ISIS are in agreement.

They are correct.  West is challenging and attacking Islamic Sharia Law.  Our liberal, democratic values are incompatible with 6th century moral and legal framework as defined in Quran.  West does attack and is against stoning people, cutting off limbs, burning people alive, enslaving women, killing gays or people who disagree with the majority.

Islam is under attack according to most Muslims, and they have the right and obligation (according to this dusty, old book) to defend it and declare a jihad against the West.

That is what is happening right now.  West is at war with Islam. 

If you disagree with that statement, ISIS and their followers will see you as an enemy of ISLAM.

I can agree partly with you but, in my opinion, Islam is not at war with the West.
In fact, some young, brainwashed Muslims are fighting West.
It's said when some leaders use religion to brainwashed people to hate other people, because they are not from the same religion, or nation.
It's wrong to hate all Muslims. In fact, many Muslims are very good people. After all London got first City major who is Muslim.
We should judge people based on their character, not religion, nationality, sex...
People in London did it

 

[sedrick]

If so, why? 

Y should we hate Muslims...... Just because of few who are involved in terrorism we cannot hate all Muslims....

[jhony99]

i dont hate muslim...most of my friend are muslim and my first GF was muslim

[hakanbalta577]

I am from India and i am a Hindu,and i think Hindus hate Muslims the most.But i dont.Many of my friends are muslims and we are very good friends.
So there is no need to hate them,as they are similar to us.Yes but i have to say,Terrorists are only muslims,so because of them whole community gets a bad name.

[Dhiva]

If you asking about the people then some yes and some no, but if you asking about the religion then the answer is no, cause there is nothing wrong with the religion. The one who wrong is the people <<< not the religion, for example if ISIS made by a muslim then the one who must be killed is the people who run it, not the religion.

[Spendulus]

...but i have to say,Terrorists are only muslims,so because of them whole community gets a bad name.

Yep.  My opinion is it deserves the bad name.  If you have a car that is lovely and wonderful, but once in 100 times you drive it it loses control and kills people, this is not a good car.

So yes, we certainly can judge Islam by the actions of it's violent minority.  It's fun to watch all the double talk and propaganda that tries to divert attention from basic facts.

Islam propagates violence, and it does so in  huge amounts.

[Sithara007]

I am from India and i am a Hindu,and i think Hindus hate Muslims the most.But i dont.Many of my friends are muslims and we are very good friends.
So there is no need to hate them,as they are similar to us.Yes but i have to say,Terrorists are only muslims,so because of them whole community gets a bad name.

I am also a Hindu, but I don't like the Muslims. There may be some Muslims who behave in a friendly manner. But when it comes to important aspects such as the treatment of non-Muslims, they are all the same.

[ElizabethBespalova]

I met many people in life and some of them were Hindus, some of them were atheists, some of them were Evangelists, some of them were Pentecostals, some of them were Muslims and all of them had different characters, temperaments, personalities, outlooks, prospects, education, places of work, but all of them were human beings. And judging from my experience I can tell that religion barely changes anything about people if they want to be and remain caring, humane, kind, thoughtful and nice people. If they are violent and wish to resort to violent means and use long words about Allah, jihad, Jannah, the Quran, Holy Prophet Muhammad as a cover for their lust for blood and destruction then the problem doesn't lie in religion but in people themselves. There are many religious extremists who profess Christianity, Orthodox Christianity, Hinduism, Roman Catholicism, Biddhism etc., we also can use various ideologies and Weltanschauungen as a cover for all kinds of atrocities, mass murders, betrayals etc., but all issues and aftermaths, which usually ensue afterwards, lie in people and in nobody else. It is better to cease blaming Islam and Muslims for all the evil deeds and assume responsibility for everything what's going on in our society. Violence reigns all around the world and it's up to us whether we'll change ourselves or not.

[kaltun]

its pity, even here i see ISLAM being bashed.....

first :
to have an idea or to know what you talking about ,you have to read the QURAN, with your own eyes and your own language. before you can read it in your own language you have to select the right source ( translations), there are many wrong stranslation. Keep in mind Allah is NEVER agains the mankind, he created us in many nations so we can understand and learn from each others and be kind to each other.

have in mind Quran is an ancient Arabic dialect , Quraysh dialect, it is not current Arabic language....

O mankind! Indeed, We created you from a male and a female and We made you nations and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, (the) most noble of you near Allah (is the) most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah (is) All-Knower, All-Aware.
http://islamawakened.com/quran/49/13/default.htm

this verse is so huge , if you dont see it ....... simple explanation is if you be kind to other humans then your on your wright path to Allah.
Thus...
- no killing
- no torturing
- no bloodshed
- no wraith
ect..


the QURAN HAS NEVER ENCOURAGED TO MAKE WAR. it is ALWAYS BEEN SELFDEFENCE...

second:
Quran is not an ordinairy book, its explaining himself with verses, (this is a hard one) , Quran doesnt need externe explanation ( aka HADITHS).

hadiths as sunnah of the prophet is NOT PART OF THE QURAN, its a hearsaying.. ( there are ALOT of Muslims do not agree with me with this). but what they dont see is the hadiths makes Islam bad, the prophet bad.
you know what the Quran says about the hadiths after the Quran :
And of the mankind (is he) who purchases, idle tales to mislead from (the) path (of) Allah without knowledge, and takes it (in) ridicule. Those for them (is) a punishment humiliating.
http://islamawakened.com/quran/31/6/default.htm
or
These (are the) Verses, (of) Allah We recite them to you in truth. Then in what statement after Allah and His Verses will they believe?
http://islamawakened.com/quran/45/6/default.htm

note : when the prophet lived he prohibit the writings about him, first hadiths are collected by bukhari after 150 years after the death of the prophet ( 150 years hearsaying ...)

i can go on , but i know its pity to my efforts , cause if you think Islam is bad , and Quran is bad, you will read it or search it in negative pulse, so you will see only bad things.

and everything is say or write has no effect.

there so many enemy of Islam, it is horrifying.

there so many people with whom i argued are blinded, deaf , they now everything about the Quran and Islam yet they didnt read the Quran, i mean how can you judge a book from his Cover.....

funny part of it , when i say read the Quran , they say why would i read this evil book ....you get it not reading but you do have an opinion about it....

like user Spendulus above  he gives a link of one of the enemy of the Islam thereligionofpeace.com, i bet he NEVER read the Quran but he has an opinion.

funny parts is most Muslims dont even read it themself the Quran ( with reading i mean understanding with what your saying), they memorized the verses but dont know what they say......it is little sad.....
even the Quran has predicted this :
And said the Messenger, "O my Lord! Indeed, my people took this the Quran (as) a forsaken thing."
http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/25/30/default.htm

i am gonna stop, and go watch what this thread gonna be

SLM --> Peace to all

[kaltun]

...but i have to say,Terrorists are only muslims,so because of them whole community gets a bad name.

Yep.  My opinion is it deserves the bad name.  If you have a car that is lovely and wonderful, but once in 100 times you drive it it loses control and kills people, this is not a good car.

So yes, we certainly can judge Islam by the actions of it's violent minority.  It's fun to watch all the double talk and propaganda that tries to divert attention from basic facts.

Islam propagates violence, and it does so in  huge amounts.

as you propagates bad thing about Islam without no knowledge.

your example about the car is not right.

the car is Islam
the driver is Muslim
if the driver willingly kills people with this car , whos to blame is it ?? car or the driver

[Roselop]

I don't hate muslem but I don't like Islamic extremists .
They only want to kill many innocent people. Why do they want to do that?
Perhaps They don't want the peaceful world.

[hhk1045]

I am a Muslim, and I love people, I love a freedom, I like living,  I am a Muslim. I love children, I want to live freely with all people, I want no battles.
I think all people are equal. I am a turkish Muslim, I tell you: There are two kinds of people: good people and bad people. I choose to be good people.

Stay with love.

[Spendulus]

...but i have to say,Terrorists are only muslims,so because of them whole community gets a bad name.

Yep.  My opinion is it deserves the bad name.  If you have a car that is lovely and wonderful, but once in 100 times you drive it it loses control and kills people, this is not a good car.

So yes, we certainly can judge Islam by the actions of it's violent minority.  It's fun to watch all the double talk and propaganda that tries to divert attention from basic facts.

Islam propagates violence, and it does so in  huge amounts.

as you propagates bad thing about Islam without no knowledge.

your example about the car is not right.

the car is Islam
the driver is Muslim
if the driver willingly kills people with this car , whos to blame is it ?? car or the driver

Takiyya.

You would have it be that Islam on the one hand talks love and peace, and with the other is a murderer, slaughtering innocent people.

Either the love and peace, and the murder, exist in the minds of men and are their creation, or they are both the responsibilty of a given religious dogma.  Here we are discussing Islam. 

You cannot in your own mind ascribe half of the equation to the deity, and the other half to man.

I believe here it is clear that the Koran is at fault.  If the same text can be interpreted such widely different ways, it cannot be right.

[kaltun]

...but i have to say,Terrorists are only muslims,so because of them whole community gets a bad name.

Yep.  My opinion is it deserves the bad name.  If you have a car that is lovely and wonderful, but once in 100 times you drive it it loses control and kills people, this is not a good car.

So yes, we certainly can judge Islam by the actions of it's violent minority.  It's fun to watch all the double talk and propaganda that tries to divert attention from basic facts.

Islam propagates violence, and it does so in  huge amounts.

as you propagates bad thing about Islam without no knowledge.

your example about the car is not right.

the car is Islam
the driver is Muslim
if the driver willingly kills people with this car , whos to blame is it ?? car or the driver

Takiyya.

You would have it be that Islam on the one hand talks love and peace, and with the other is a murderer, slaughtering innocent people.

Either the love and peace, and the murder, exist in the minds of men and are their creation, or they are both the responsibilty of a given religious dogma.  Here we are discussing Islam. 

You cannot in your own mind ascribe half of the equation to the deity, and the other half to man.

I believe here it is clear that the Koran is at fault.  If the same text can be interpreted such widely different ways, it cannot be right.

its not the fault of Quran, it is you who are thinking a way, this way can be bad or good, its up to you. like a weapon you can defend your self but you can also ( willingly) hurt people , the choice is yours

[kaltun]

...but i have to say,Terrorists are only muslims,so because of them whole community gets a bad name.

Yep.  My opinion is it deserves the bad name.  If you have a car that is lovely and wonderful, but once in 100 times you drive it it loses control and kills people, this is not a good car.

So yes, we certainly can judge Islam by the actions of it's violent minority.  It's fun to watch all the double talk and propaganda that tries to divert attention from basic facts.

Islam propagates violence, and it does so in  huge amounts.

as you propagates bad thing about Islam without no knowledge.

your example about the car is not right.

the car is Islam
the driver is Muslim
if the driver willingly kills people with this car , whos to blame is it ?? car or the driver

Islam is the thoughts in his brain.  From his perspective he is doing the right thing (for Allah and Islam).  He thinks he is a good person.  Islam enables this thought process. "Allahu Akbar", in case you forgot. "To die for the cause is a privilege".
"Allah has chosen you to be his soldier." etc.


Your car has many unsafe features, for example the Sharia Law, that must be removed before your car can be allowed on the roads outside of the Middle East.

with do all respect, if you cant see the different between good and evil, its not the fault of the Islam

and you also didnt read my replys about this also,  i am saying the Islam of this time has been CORRUPTED, only thing what didnt corrupt is, is the QURAN, and there is alot of ( Muslims) people who doesnt read the QURAN. they are listining to this IMAM or that SHOLAR or his uncle, his father, nephew ect ect....
but they dont read the QURAN, with reading i mean read and understanding it

[Spendulus]

....
with do all respect, if you cant see the different between good and evil, its not the fault of the Islam

and you also didnt read my replys about this also,  i am saying the Islam of this time has been CORRUPTED, only thing what didnt corrupt is, is the QURAN, and there is alot of ( Muslims) people who doesnt read the QURAN. they are listining to this IMAM or that SHOLAR or his uncle, his father, nephew ect ect....
but they dont read the QURAN, with reading i mean read and understanding it

The problem is that others of your faith disagree with you, and believe there is something great and heroic in blowing themselves up along with innocent people.  The people that do this do read the koran. 

You say they do not read and understand it.
But they say YOU do not read and understand it.

That is why I pointed out that a document which is subject to multiple interpretations is flawed and cannot be claimed to be "the perfect thing."  The only way that could be is that if it is perfect that Islam preach both at the same time love and peace and suicide bombing.  That could be what is happening, in which case Islam would not care if you liked it or not.

[Spendulus]

...i am saying the Islam of this time has been CORRUPTED, only thing what didnt corrupt is, is the QURAN, and there is alot of ( Muslims) people who doesnt read the QURAN. they are listining to this IMAM or that SHOLAR or his uncle, his father, nephew ect ect......

IF that is so then Muslims have quite a few IMAMs or SCHOLARS to go take care of before Muslims worry about Westerners making cartoons of Mohammed.

But they don't.

[kaltun]

...but i have to say,Terrorists are only muslims,so because of them whole community gets a bad name.

Yep.  My opinion is it deserves the bad name.  If you have a car that is lovely and wonderful, but once in 100 times you drive it it loses control and kills people, this is not a good car.

So yes, we certainly can judge Islam by the actions of it's violent minority.  It's fun to watch all the double talk and propaganda that tries to divert attention from basic facts.

Islam propagates violence, and it does so in  huge amounts.

as you propagates bad thing about Islam without no knowledge.

your example about the car is not right.

the car is Islam
the driver is Muslim
if the driver willingly kills people with this car , whos to blame is it ?? car or the driver

Islam is the thoughts in his brain.  From his perspective he is doing the right thing (for Allah and Islam).  He thinks he is a good person.  Islam enables this thought process. "Allahu Akbar", in case you forgot. "To die for the cause is a privilege".
"Allah has chosen you to be his soldier." etc.


Your car has many unsafe features, for example the Sharia Law, that must be removed before your car can be allowed on the roads outside of the Middle East.

with do all respect, if you cant see the different between good and evil, its not the fault of the Islam

and you also didnt read my replys about this also,  i am saying the Islam of this time has been CORRUPTED, only thing what didnt corrupt is, is the QURAN, and there is alot of ( Muslims) people who doesnt read the QURAN. they are listining to this IMAM or that SHOLAR or his uncle, his father, nephew ect ect....
but they dont read the QURAN, with reading i mean read and understanding it

With all do respect, Sharia Law is a moral code of lunatics.

With all do respect, do you agree that the penalty for leaving Islam should be death?  Yes or No?

Are you sure you know Quran and Islamic teachings?  The correct answer to kill apostates according to your FUCKED up religion.

Quran (4:89) - "They wish that you should reject faith as they reject faith, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper."  

Quran (9:11-12) - "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist."

Sahih Bukhari (52:260) - "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

Sahih Bukhari (83:37) - "Allah's Apostle never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations: (1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) (2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and (3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle and deserted Islam and became an apostate."

Sahih Bukhari (84:57) - [In the words of] "Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"

Sahih Bukhari (89:271) - A man who embraces Islam, then reverts to Judaism is to be killed according to "the verdict of Allah and his apostle."

Sahih Bukhari (84:58) - "There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, 'Who is this (man)?' Abu Muisa said, 'He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism.' Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, 'I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice.' Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, 'Then we discussed the night prayers'"

Sahih Bukhari (84:64-65) - "Allah's Apostle: 'During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection.'" This verse from the Hadith is worse than it appears because it isn't speaking solely of apostates, but those who say they believe but don't put their religion into practice.

Sahih Bukhari (11:626) - "The Prophet said, 'No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the Fajr and the 'Isha' prayers and if they knew the reward for these prayers at their respective times, they would certainly present themselves (in the mosques) even if they had to crawl.' The Prophet added, 'Certainly I decided to order the Mu'adh-dhin (call-maker) to pronounce Iqama and order a man to lead the prayer and then take a fire flame to burn all those who had not left their houses so far for the prayer along with their houses'."

Abu Dawud (4346) - "Was not there a wise man among you who would stand up to him when he saw that I had withheld my hand from accepting his allegiance, and kill him?" Muhammad is chastising his companions for allowing an apostate to "repent" under duress. (The person in question was Muhammad's former scribe, who left him after doubting the authenticity of divine "revelations" - upon finding out that grammatical changes could be made. He was brought back to Muhammad after having been captured in Medina).

al-Muwatta of Imam Malik (36.18.15) - "The Messenger of Allah said, "If someone changes his religion - then strike off his head."

Reliance of the Traveller (Islamic Law) o8.1 - "When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed." (o8.4 affirms that there is no penalty for killing an apostate).

THANK YOU for showing me again there are people who doesnt read the Quran , yet they still have opinion.

I am gonna try to answer your question , if you answer this :
did you read the Quran , the whole Quran ? or do you only copy & paste

btw i am only defent my book the QURAN i dont beleave in hadiths orso ...


With all do respect, do you agree that the penalty for leaving Islam should be death?  Yes or No?

first the Quran says there is no compulsion in religion
(There is) no compulsion in the religion.....http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/2/256/default.htm

my answers with capital letter NO, I have no right to judge an other HUMAN BEEN, everyone is responsible for his own actions.


you quoted from Quran :
Quran (4:89) - "They wish that you should reject faith as they reject faith, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper."

but why did you not quote the rest it doesnt fit your idea's of this religion do you even read it yourself ?? or do you just do only copy & paste ....
i shall quote and explain it to you:

Quran (4:90) - "Unless it be such [of them] as have ties with people to whom you yourselves are bound by a covenant, or such as come unto you because their hearts shrink from [the thought of] making war either on you or on their own folk - although, if God had willed to make them stronger than you, they would certainly have made war on you. Thus, if they let you be, and do not make war on you, and offer you peace, God does not allow you to harm them..

this verse has decented when the prophet were alive and he was in WAR with his hypocrited enemy.


you quoted from Quran :

Quran (9:11-12) - "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist."

first of all this chapter ( ayaat) is talking about the hypocrites, the real enemy of the Islam. and again you didnt post the verses after this verse , but i will do it for you:

Quran (9:13) - "Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths, and obsessed to expel the messenger, especially while they were the ones who attacked you first? Are you concerned about them? It is God who is more deserving that you be concerned with if you are believers.

how can you today  expel the messenger ?? not , again this verses came when the prophet were alive... and this shows you this is selfdefense. but you will not see it , cause you are searching negative and you will never find it if you are negative

and the rest is bullshit , some man made rules is not the words of God(Allah).

but what pity is , even some Muslims sees like your sights. pity

SLM

[kaltun]

...i am saying the Islam of this time has been CORRUPTED, only thing what didnt corrupt is, is the QURAN, and there is alot of ( Muslims) people who doesnt read the QURAN. they are listining to this IMAM or that SHOLAR or his uncle, his father, nephew ect ect......

IF that is so then Muslims have quite a few IMAMs or SCHOLARS to go take care of before Muslims worry about Westerners making cartoons of Mohammed.

But they don't.

WHat part of CORRUPT is not known by you ?

they have idiolized the prophet agains his will, same as christians giving Jesus God status.
you know what funny part is , Jesus is prophet like Muhammed, but if you makes cartoons about Jesus , they dont care but when you make a cartoon of Muhammed your dead .... its ABSURD.
the Quran says , there is no dinstiction between the prophets :

The messenger believeth in that which hath been revealed unto him from his Lord and (so do) believers. Each one believeth in Allah and His angels and His scriptures and His messengers - We make no distinction between any of His messengers - and they say: We hear, and we obey. (Grant us) Thy forgiveness, our Lord. Unto Thee is the journeying. http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/2/285/default.htm

again they dont read the QURAN.

and funny part is when the extremists sees my thoughts about this , i will be an disbeleaver AKA KAFIR in their eyes....... and i am , i see my self as an Muslim / Beleaver

SLM

[Spendulus]

...i am saying the Islam of this time has been CORRUPTED, only thing what didnt corrupt is, is the QURAN, and there is alot of ( Muslims) people who doesnt read the QURAN. they are listining to this IMAM or that SHOLAR or his uncle, his father, nephew ect ect......

IF that is so then Muslims have quite a few IMAMs or SCHOLARS to go take care of before Muslims worry about Westerners making cartoons of Mohammed.

But they don't.

WHat part of CORRUPT is not known by you ?

they have idiolized the prophet agains his will, same as christians giving Jesus God status.
you know what funny part is , Jesus is prophet like Muhammed, but if you makes cartoons about Jesus , they dont care but when you make a cartoon of Muhammed your dead .... its ABSURD.
the Quran says , there is no dinstiction between the prophets :

The messenger believeth in that which hath been revealed unto him from his Lord and (so do) believers. Each one believeth in Allah and His angels and His scriptures and His messengers - We make no distinction between any of His messengers - and they say: We hear, and we obey. (Grant us) Thy forgiveness, our Lord. Unto Thee is the journeying. http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/2/285/default.htm

again they dont read the QURAN.

and funny part is when the extremists sees my thoughts about this , i will be an disbeleaver AKA KAFIR in their eyes....... and i am , i see my self as an Muslim / Beleaver

SLM

I can't disagree with any of that.