Yeah that is the danger. They certainly better get it right this time. They also really shouldn't take much longer if they can help it, as after a certain point people will just give up.

I got a little bit on the Drk boat early, with 1K+ coins, just less coins than what I had hoped for. By the time I had any btc, Drk decided to skyrocket on me. It moved faster than I expected.

The thing that probably frustrates people is if they knew the wallet would take as long as it has, we could have jumped out into Drk, and back into XBC, with a nice extra profit or even more XBC. Then again, that probably wouldn't have helped XBC's price a whole lot if everyone did that. I expect a number did though, if not with Drk, with something else.

Is there an idiot's guide to setting up a node available yet? I have about 1200 Drk so I can set up one, if I can figure it out. I am on the fence if I should sell the remainder if the price skyrockets a bit more, and then try to buy back in and get even more coin... my timing tends to be lousy, so am hesitant to even try it.

I expect the price to increase on a wallet release + whatever else is planned, so selling right now probably is very iffy. That doesn't even count possible MP/Cryptsy down the road.

And I bet a lot of people are jumping on the Drk bandwagon, although the real time to do it was when Drk was 10x cheaper. If I had more btc at the time, I certainly would have bought more Drk. Getting in now... it'll go up, I expect... but it's certainly much riskier. It very well may sink somewhat after the 25th and level out at a new floor. The calculation people need to make is which will go up faster, Drk or XBC, shortterm. I guess that is one reason people are so impatient; they want a definite date just so they know if they can move their coins around... if timed correctly, people can get out and back in, and still profit. Risky to do without knowing anything for certain though.

I think this is the first time... ever... where I checked maza's price and it actually has gone up. I should check and see what teensy amount of maza I have and forgot about... think it's around 10K or so. This is the only time I ever thought to myself that I should have bought maza when it was cheaper.

And yes, I expect dumps at some point. There are tons of holders out there. But I expect many holders bought in at the  more expensive range 300-1000+, so if they haven't gotten out yet, they might as well wait a while.

Although I think it wrong to blame anyone but yourself for selling DRK at the time (not sure what you were thinking there), I do agree they really need to get that wallet out pretty soon. I'm all for ironing out bugs and testing, and am fine with a reasonable delay, but it does come to the point where it may do more harm than good to keep testing... and testing....

Yes, it may be best in the longrun to have an absolutely perfect wallet that can last forever, I just hope the dev team isn't being overly cautious now, testing things more than really necessary. A coordinated release of the new website + wallet makes sense, and if possible, I really suggest they get it all done by the start of next week.

If you do the password thing, don't forget to write it down somewhere. I think you are sort of doomed if you forget it.

Download: https://www.noblemovement.com/downloads/NobleCoin-Qt-v1.0.1-Heartbleed.zip

From the front page of this thread.

Download and install. Assuming you have a firewall installed, give the wallet access to get through. Wait and let the wallet sync (may take a while). Click the deposit coins option, copy the address. Go to Mintpal, withdraw coins to that address. Remember to then go to the email you are using for MintPal to verify the withdrawal. Once you have your coins, go to the backup wallet option in the wallet, save the backup. And as I stated above... save the backup more than once, if you want to be extra safe.

I'll also add, make sure the PC you are installing to has a virus checker and is nice and clean. Little point in sending coins to your wallet on an infected PC.

I like to backup backups... put them on usb drives, external drives, wherever. Of course don't give away the drives to people, or don't put your backup on a network where others have access. I think I am paranoid about losing my wallets, so I make way too many backups... but better safe than sorry.

Also in regard to wallets, for iffy coins (not Noble), new coins that just came out, giveaway coins and things like that, it's always safer to install wallets in a virtual machine. Or possibly a spare PC you have no important data on. Not all wallets are benign.

Dangerous if not done correctly, as then you'll end up with people dumping coins as soon as a deal is over. It'd basically be a race to get that discount on a specific coin, then move to next and so on. It could end up with wild price fluctuations overriding any potential discount... and/or a lot of very unhappy holders. People may simply dump one coin after a deal is over to put into the next coin. You'd have to make sure all coins stayed viable, at least in owner's minds. I'm not sure if people have a long enough attention span for it though.

I'm one of those people who love giveaways, as being originally a guppy-sized trader (started with $38 btc), the giveaways gave me a stake... which now means I have grown into, umm... I guess a regular fish sized trader (15-20 btc)?

But I never view giveaways as something purely to dump, even from the beginning. If the devs support the coin and I think it has a future, I'd hold or more likely sell, and buy back in later. Yet very few (not sure any) of the current giveaway coins seem to have active devs nor anything especially unique about their coins. Unfortunately many can't even wait at all with giveaways, and it's like... gimme coins... sell coins... in one motion. I'm also biased towards POS, as I don't mine, but yeah, POW does give a cost/value to a coin. It always felt like an artificial value to me though. I remember that Air coin pricing itself based on miner rewards, and I always wondered who cares if a coin makes itself difficult to mine... that shouldn't really mean the coin itself it worth more than it should. However, many people may not think that same way (and especially not miners).

An idea I thought could work for Noble was a form of POS, but not in coins, but in marketplace discounts, which is more or less what you just suggested.  I think I even mentioned the idea upon the noble forum once upon a time. Such as hold a coin for a month, you get an extra 1% discount tacked onto your account... another month, another 1%, and so on. Cap it at a certain amount, just so people actually buy something eventually. Yet I guess there is only so much of a discount you can offer before you'd go broke.

Well, partial value of any freebie coin could simply be related to the coin specs and support, assuming it goes on an exchange like any other coin. I don't know if you plan 100% free giveaway, partial giveaway, partial exchange sales, or what exactly. One problem though may be the dumper mentality that seems to be a problem for most giveaway coins.

Early on, things like Comm/ITC actually avoided this pretty well. Although of course people dumped for nothing, some held, more than I expected... at least until the coins were worth a relatively decent amount. Longterm though, neither coin seems to have much dev support, hence why they didn't really rebuild value after coins changed hands... especially so in Comm's case.

So you'd need to figure out how to give the freebie coins some value so that people will hold the coins for a while, and just not 'cash out'. Marketplace discounts I guess could be one way, or at least it could help somewhat. Unique specs/unique coding is another way, but it sounds like you aren't going that route... it'd be rather coding intensive and time consuming to even try it.

I may be in the minority here, but I never really viewed NobleCoin as being especially unique or special (as coins go). The marketplace, however, was a fantastic idea. Tie the freebie coins into the marketplace discount, some will hold longterm. Having them tied into the charity concept is also fine, although to be honest, it  usually feels like charity and crypto-people are a bad mix. It's like taking stockbroker/alpha male types, whose sole goal is to make money... and ask them to care about a charity in some way. I sometimes think many in this forum would willingly go stomp on some puppies if it simply made them money. So no harm doing the charity thing, just that I don't think it'll matter that much.

I'm all for the idea, I was just wondering where the value for the 'freebie coins' was coming from. If they eventually will go on exchanges, just like any other coin, while Noble holders get some from a freebie IPO based on Noble held... give it a try. It certainly could boost Noble up some.

Yep, tons of coins are scams. Tons of devs just pump up a coin based on the latest fad, then walk away. But unless you have lots of spare time to work on several coins at once, where are the devs teams that will take over these noble-related coins? Do you know enough decent dev teams and trust them enough, to run a coin properly? Or can the Noble team run several coins at once?

There is also the problem that people seem to want whatever is the 'flavor of the month'. For a while, it was meme coins. Then nation coins. Then POS... some want limited supply coins... some want anonymous coins... There is nothing wrong with your idea, just that by the time certain noble-partner coins come out, those 'flavors of the month' could be stale. The latest fads may be like 'flavors of the week' soon.

I'm also not positive if people even care if coins are a scam. I really never paid much attention to the Polo trollbox until a couple of weeks ago. Basically people jump on whatever bandwagon is being promoted, coin to coin, looking for pumps.  Facts matter very little. You can outline why a coin is a bad idea, yet people don't care. Examples are things like that Dream coin, or Bank coin ... both promised Zero Coin compatibility, and in BankCoin's case, Darksend. Even though it was clearly pointed out that a working  Zero Coin doesn't actually exist, nor would it probably work even if it did exist... people didn't care. BankCoin flat out lied about DarkSend, seeing as it wasn't even opensourced yet. Yet people were still pumping, promoting and buying.

Thanks for the quick reply.

I wonder about dilution of value though. I mean, say if someone has a million noble, and get 100K worth of freebie coin (or however much). Assuming the freebie coin can be used on the marketplace, won't that simply dilute the value of the paired coins? What is giving the freebie coin value?

Will 'freebie coin' also appear on exchanges, be traded for btc, and all of that stuff? Or is it simply meant as a pairing with Noble, to be used on the marketplace?

And I guess I picked the wrong time to pick up what I assumed was decently priced Noble at 42, several days ago. I only bought around 100K, so it's not like I'll go broke from a drop ... but I figured I'd pick up some and if the price went up, I'd try the marketplace and get an amazon GC. Evidently I have a knack for great timing.

Although I hold some Noble, I haven't really kept track of if so much. Curious about this newest statement though.


When the dev says this:

Do you mean an even swapover to a new coin (if the owner so wishes)? Or sort of like that Aetherium thread thingy, where simply owning a certain amount of Noble automatically gets you a freebie amount of some other coin?

And what is going on with the price + frozen markets? Asic miners dumping? Something else? Apologies if its been mentioned already, just wondering.

The problems with the coin have been well documented in the coin's ann thread here. Basically, every wrong move possible, and the dev team has made it.

People begged for a dev presence in this forum, yet the dev team denied it. They kept repeating they don't have time to deal with fud... okay. So ignore it, and just post info like normal devs do, provide info, interact with the community, etc.

AP has been pretty much a disaster. The coin's website he made looks like it was made by someone who has vision problems. A logo of a pirate is not exactly what you want stamped on your main page, especially when said pirate is sitting on a giant premine. The entire site looks incredibly unprofessional.

And then he has gone on to other coins, reusing the same maza template for Maplecoin, rumored to have made GreeceCoin, and probably many others. It's not just an issue of a dev's time being spread too thin, but the fact he has been trying to 'cash in' on the nation coin fad, hence people believing Maza is exactly the same thing. A quick way to make a buck by the devs.

Coin forking to reduce rewards, more dev interaction, allowing the community to help, has been mentioned many, many times previously, when the coin was still worth something. And every time, AP has denied allowing people here to help. Boxxa quit over it (to the best of my knowledge). I seem to recall the mazatalk people offering to help with a website and a new logo was also created, but both were denied.

So it's not trolls that are the coin's problem. It has been the incredible mismanagement of the coin to date. Sure, trolls don't help, but in the end, it wouldn't have mattered. So many missteps and the coin would have sunk regardless.

Don't take this as trolling or fud.... take it as constructive criticism. If you want to save the coin, you'll need to change how you have been doing things. And ignore this forum at your own peril.

I'm amazed this thing is still alive, even in this second form... whatever this form is supposed to be. Sometimes it's better to just let coins die a natural death.

I think I'd find it more amusing if cryptobuddy took over the coin.

I think I would have felt better if he had a vendetta. But those concerns were brought up after the XBC ipo, so it's not really surprising. I mean everyone investing in the ipo probably had it in the back of their mind.

Also when you think about it, Poloniex doesn't necessarily matter right now anyway. If a coin isn't doing particularly great on Bittrex, yet still has okay volume, a new exchange won't all of a sudden make things all better. There could be a temporary boost (meaning some folks can dump), but it normally doesn't automatically fix things overall.

More dev activity here would help much more than Poloniex would. If the coin/community improves, the dev could probably buy his way onto mintpal with the ipo money if he wanted to.

I just find that a completely idiotic mindset. I mean, if a dev abandoned a coin, or if the coin was clearly worthless, then I guess selling a cheap freebie is no big deal. But this coin is already on a real exchange, making moves for larger exchanges... it's stupid to sell at current prices.

It's not like it has languished on allcrypt for 4 months and people are just taking what they can. I wish people would use common sense. That free dollar now could be $100+ several weeks from now. I guess a coin needs a bit of turnover anyway though... weak hands and all that...

Oh, I know why people are dumping... I got my coins for free too. Same with Comm and ITC. But it's insanely short sighted to dump when a coin is so cheap.

People dumped comm at 10-20 sats. It went up to around 250. So some people sold a stake for .1 btc, when they could have gotten 2-2.5 btc for it. And that's just one stake... some people got two for free.

ITC did reach 750+ sats, yet some sold at less than 100.

Free money is fine and all, but people should realize .005 btc means nothing really. If you wait, that .005 BTC can possibly be a full bitcoin, or in some cases, more. At the very least, wait until the free money you are getting is semi-meaningful.

I don't really get the point of selling at this point, or even earlier. The price isn't enough to get you very much. Might as well hold... if the coin goes to Poloniex or a larger exchange, it should multiply several times.

Comm/ITC prices is what the coin should be looking at, and I mean when the coins were 100-250ish sats, at a min.