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2241  Other / Meta / Re: Post review on: October 31, 2018, 03:45:25 PM
This is pretty much what I already suggested in the community generated suggestions thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4893744.msg44062249#msg44062249

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Requiring manually whitelisting of all new accounts before they can post. All new users will essentially be shadowbanned until they've been verified by a mod. This will eliminate 99% of bots and spammers before they even start. Spam threads can be trashed on sight before they even become spam megathreads.


And beside what are the criteria of a good post. What might be trash to you might be treasure to another so one person can't decide what's should be allowed to be posted.

Moderators already get to decide what is trash or not so this isn't really any different.

This kind of safeguard to spam will ironically lead to spam attacks.

How easy it would be to flood the forum "pending post" database with huge numbers of posts to delay the moderators - Bitcointalk would have no chance.



As easy as it is to spam it currently. I don't think there's any logic to what you're postulating because if this was going to happen then they'd be doing it now where it will have more exposure. Staff already have to handle and deal with spam so the only difference is whether it be public or not. At least everyone else doesn't have to see it and spam threads or bots will never make it through the net making the forum cleaner in the process.

So I postulate that any time a user makes a new post and submits his/her post, this post is made unavailable to other users,but to the MODs in charge of that very section,who's gonna scrutinize the post
This will never happen:
Limiting newbie participation is very harmful for a community. Newbie jail will never return: I consider the newbie-jail period to have been extremely damaging to the forum. When barriers to participation are too high, then the best people often just won't go to the trouble of joining, and the people who are willing to jump through the hoops are often people who aren't good for the community: people with nothing better to do, scammers, get-rick-quickers, etc. Having a permanent newbie jail policy would improve things a lot in the short-term, but would end up being a fatal poison to the community.



This isn't really what's being suggested though. Theymos even put the suggestion in the 'maybe' category so it's not out of the question: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4893744.msg44432901#msg44432901
2242  Other / Meta / Re: Merit is not a limit for success? on: October 31, 2018, 07:56:10 AM
i have a dought ,....
is our feature in this form is depending on rank ??
i know everyone like to became a high rank holders but why is nessesary ??
we can give and collect info by posting our own words ... and post the topics for knowledge and help for others !! not for only rank !!

Nice dought. Why are you asking this if you know the answer? No, having a high rank of course isn't necessary. You can post or read this forum forever as a Newbie or Junior if you wish. A higher rank is necessary if you want to earn from signature campaigns as you can't earn anything via campaigns because as a newbie you have no signature, and you can earn more from bounties as a higher rank, but that is the only reason people care about them. If you don't care about them then great: happy reading and learning.
2243  Other / Meta / Re: Can we please have a way to sort threads in a sub-forum as per merit? on: October 31, 2018, 07:48:55 AM
In what ways are we going to sort the threads to find the meritable posts..
Is it going to be the duty of our MODS or a bot



It would likely be done automatically as forum function, just like you can sort threads by views, date, user etc. It could even be a new link under these:

Show unread posts since last visit.
Show new replies to your posts.
Watchlist

You could have sort threads by merit link in every board which would order them for you. Would be helpful to find the worse spam threads for locking or trashing as well as the spam threads with no merit will go to the bottom. I'd like to see this anyway. Might help in finding the worthwhile threads in amongst all the trash.
2244  Other / Meta / Re: My perspective of the forum on: October 31, 2018, 07:42:23 AM
When I has been introduced to the forum by a friend I was told that this is a forum where high ranking members prey on lower member. That there is always a collective attack on lower members I must say I was quite scared when I joined I was not so enlightened about cryptocurrency but I was ready to try.



You're confusing 'lower members' with shitposters. Nobody gives a shit about what rank you are but we are concerned with the content of your posts. It just so happens that the forum has been abused en masse by shitposters who obviously start out and now will likely stay at a lower-rank so that's why they get the most shit because they ask the same stupid questions over and over again (what is merit, how do I earn, why was my friend account banned etc and it gets tedious the thousandth time you've heard it). Remember, everyone starts off as a newbie, but those who contribute something will now likely rise through the ranks fairly quickly and those that don't will languish as a lower rank and quite rightfully.

everyone deserving in this thread got a merit - OP, notice its not you?

please spend some time in this place, really try hard - then soon you will be qualified to get merits, Until that time comes you will be susceptible to abuse whilst merit farming like this.

He already got a merit before this thread. Maybe he's aiming higher though   Cheesy

Actually the reverse is true. The new/lower ranks prey/sponge on/off the world of the established members. They seem to regard it as a right, and that is what causes much of the conflict.
Definitely true, I have always seen newbie start a thread and make an offensive post regarding the system(especially merit system) the unequality of the ranks, and an unfair treatment to newbie (which is not true).

That's because most have solely signed up here because someone sold them this place as somewhere where you could quickly join and easily get paid for doing nothing but posting, and that used to be the case. Now it's not as easy as that and that's why they're outraged. It's like a too good to be true offer, that at first seems to be true, but when you get there there's a catch and that free meal you were after turns out not to be so, and that's always annoying.
2245  Other / Meta / Re: Community generated suggestions to improve the forum (+ eventual voting on them) on: October 31, 2018, 07:17:01 AM
It's not that difficult for shitposters to get a single merit to become Junior. They might not get it legitimately but I'm seeing a lot of shitposting juniors with one suspicious merit floating around. They can also just purchase the Copper Membership for $15-$20 or whatever it is. I still think we should remove Junior's signatures and require ten merit before you can get one. This makes it ten times harder or costlier for them to abuse.

Yeah, I agree but the number of those shitposters is not so big anymore as it was before. I can find in Bitcoin Discussions more legit threads that those spam-mega-threads, the Off-topic is not so popular anymore as it used to be before. Now if you refresh it every 15 seconds there are no new posts as there were before.

I don't know about that. Spam megathreads are still rife and are pretty much the only threads in Bitcoin Discussion, or at least they drown out all the others because they're so easy to post rubbish in continually. Go in them and you'll still see higher-ranked members who were air-dropped the merit churning out their dross post after post thread after thread. It's mind numbing reading it. That won't change until we either remove air-dropped merit (which probably won't happen) or campaigns are punished who continue to pay for people to make the drivel in the first place.

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As I said above, requiring merit to post in the regular boards almost certainly won't happen as theymos is against those sorts of restrictions.

@DdmrDdmr suggested somewhere to introduce a Merit-based sorting for new threads. I don't remember what thread it was but I think that will be a good alternative. The sorting should be based on how many merited users responded to a thread.



I think that would be an interesting thing to have as an option to view. It would certainly sort the wheat from the chaff/crap threads  and spam threads would be pushed to the bottom.
2246  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-10-29] Coinbase Downsizes More Than a Dozen People: Report on: October 31, 2018, 07:07:56 AM
Coinbase-the largest cryptocurrency exchange (USA )
15 dismissed employees is a trifle
~

Probably it 's not. Coinbase has around 500 employees currently. How many of them, do you think, work in the Customer Service department? I think it can be maybe 200 people or maybe even less. Coinbase has 13,300,000 users and although most of them are not active today, they can become active at any moment. So, if they are not going to replace those 15 with 150 newly hired, this decision looks very strange to me, especially if considering what hilariousetc wrote about their Customer Service  above.

They probably actually had very few customer support reps to start with, or certainly not enough to meet demand so getting rid of more probably isn't going to do them any good on a customer satisfaction level. Most of their employees will be doing other things behind the scenes. Newbies to bitcoin would have been hit the worst if they were unsure of what to do and it's pretty alarming when you get zero response from support and their automatic verification tools don't work properly. Doesn't look good for bitcoin, especially if they lose money due to coinbase. I wonder how many people actually just have up and left their coins or cash languishing in their accounts.

Knowing how information never fails to be distorted in cryptoland, this is probably something totally innocuous framed as the end of the world. But how companies like this cope with dead stretches fascinates me. They must be making peanuts and there's a lot of expenses flying out the door. Who knows how long this dead period will last?

That said they've just raised $300 million - https://blog.coinbase.com/coinbase-raises-series-e-round-of-financing-to-accelerate-the-adoption-of-cryptocurrencies-1ad927463814

If coinbase are losing money (or not making much) then they're doing something very, very wrong. The fees they make on both buys and sells are quite large. It's actually a rip off to buy from there but I only use it to sell.
2247  Other / Meta / Re: HOW TO CONTACT WITH THEYMOS OR CYRUS? on: October 31, 2018, 07:00:10 AM
I've been hearing about this supposed automatic recovery account system for a while now, still no further news that I know of.

Theymos has been making some good moves with the forum, the latest addition being the custom passcode to bypass the catpcha, that was awesome. However account recovery should be #1 in priority list next.

I've been considering making a list with the most flagrant cases of people stuck in permaqueue to recover their accounts, I may do it if I find some free time.

Theymos has stated that it will hopefully be ready by the end of the year (hopefully being the keyword here). Maybe it will and maybe it won't but we can only wait until then to find out. I agree account restoration should be a priority and someone should have been given access to restore them in the meantime or at least until the tool is ready. I'm still not sure on how users who can't sign a message or can sign one but from an alt coin address will get their's back so that's still going to require some manual intervention which will need to be dealt with.
2248  Other / Meta / Re: Hey. Why banned my girlfriend's account? on: October 31, 2018, 06:54:45 AM
Maybe we should change the rules here
Some rules should definitely be changed, but until they are I don't think staff members ought to be encouraging people to break them--even if they think the rules are futile or unfair or unenforceable.  The rules are still the rules, and when I tag an account that's an alt of one that got banned for plagiarism, I don't want to hear them tell me a staff member said it was OK to have other accounts.  Until the rules change, it's not OK. 

Please, I respectfully beseech you to stop recommending plagiarists create alt accounts.  Even if you know it happens, you are a staff member here and people (especially low-ranked accounts) look to you as a role model and listen to what you say.  Theymos should come up with more rules, different ones, or better ways to enforce the existing ones, but we're stuck with what we've got.  Trusted staff members, DT members, and everyone else shouldn't be encouraging other members to break rules.

I'm just saying it like it is and being honest. You can consider it a form of protest and I think numerous things should be changed here and nothing will ever change if we just keep quiet. If we'd have just stayed silent on the activity for Newbies requirement then that would have likely never happened but if the rules aren't going to be enforced then I'm not going to pretend that they are. It really doesn't matter what I tell them and I don't think I've said it's ok; I've just said nothing will be done about it by staff/admins, which is true. If nothing is going to be done about certain things then then rules should be changed and it would be better for everyone and less hassle for staff. I think if we use the logic that we allow account sales and scams to happen (or not moderate them) because it's ineffective and too time consuming to do so then the same should be done for ban evasion (if it's not being enforced, which it currently isn't).
2249  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Overview of Bitcointalk Signature-Ad Campaigns [Last update: 08-Oct-2018] on: October 31, 2018, 06:46:16 AM
So basically there are no good reputed campaigns currently running which pay in BTC that are accepting new participants and make payments on time.

Pretty much. Why don't you start one?  Cheesy Every now and again I get someone messaging me if I want to run one for their company but they usually just waste my time and nothing comes to fruition. Gone are the days where anyone could just sign up and start earning a decent amount in bitcoin straight away. New bitcoin-paying campaigns are a rarity these days and sadly this forum has only really become useful as a place for ICOs to promote themselves for free (which of course they only pay out in tokens they've created for free and destroy the forum in the process with their ineptitude and laziness). I think this board is a pretty good example of where the crypto sphere is going. Greed has taken over and people just use it as a get rich quick scheme not caring how they get their money as long as they do. I predicted sig campaigns would die off at some point, but ICO campaigns will continue on and do damage in the process. Most bitcoin campaigns are just too expensive to run and I'm not sure how much of a return on their investment they see, and when you can get people to do the same but in a token you've created for free it's just too good not to do so why waste any money?
2250  Other / Meta / Re: Hey. Why banned my girlfriend's account? on: October 30, 2018, 12:57:36 PM
Who told that? i dont believe you. This is contrary to paragraph 25 of the forum rules.
I don't know exactly who told him this, but hilariousandco has a tendency to say things exactly like that in some ban appeal threads--which I disagree strenuously with and wish he would stop doing.  And I've seen other assorted noobs offering the same advice in other ban appeal threads, too.



Probably the same person who tells everybody else things: their "friend". But it's true. Just create another account because that's what everyone else does and nobody is going to check or find out unless they stupidly link them publicly. This shouldn't be how it is but it is. I wish certain rules were either enforced or just got rid of if they're not going to be because it just creates a huge double standard and undermines the point of them in the first place as they're pointless when they're not enforced so until that changes it's pointless telling people otherwise. The forum is already mostly a free for all and the few rules we have here are rarely adhered to or enforced, but do you really think 99% of the people who lose their accounts here due to bans just accept the fact and sulk back into the ether never to return like a shunned outcast? Most will just create a new account and try again. It's a joke when users or staff find dozens of alt accounts copy and pasting and they're banned but are free to continue on whatever ones we might've missed and some will be doing so on dozens or even hundreds more and admins never look into them. I wouldn't ever tell someone who had seriously done something wrong here to just create another account (spreading malware purposely or whatever), but copy and pasting shouldn't be a death sentence for life and losing that account is probably already a big enough punishment for them and at least they might actually change their ways and improve their behaviour on the new one. As long as they don't do the same thing again I don't really see an issue with it and people do deserve second chances (especially for something like this, but if they do the same then I'd have no sympathy for them). People should also be made aware of the rules when they sign up as well and that's another thing that annoys me (and not that that justifies copy and pasting and there's no excuses for plagiarising someone else's post here but when people get banned for copy and pasting a definition or some quote from some other source it can seem a little harsh). If they're explicitly told not to do this when they sign up then this behaviour would significantly drop in the first place, but if they ignore that and still do it then fair enough as they've got no excuses then.  

It is absolutely against the rules to create a new account once you've been permabanned, and if mods (or anyone else) disagree with that they should convince Theymos to change the rule.

Maybe we should change the rules here and I've suggested we do so amongst various other things, but we all know how often theymos listens to suggestions. I would much prefer signature bans for things like copy and pasting rather than banning a person from the forum forever, especially if it's just one or two copy and pastes or something, and especially when you can just sign right back up with no problems.

2251  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cloudbet's English Premier League Football Pool Discussion Thread on: October 30, 2018, 12:10:03 PM
The end. It's not a weekly prize but for those who have the top five most points from a weekly round at the end of the tournament so it can't be determined until the end of the season. The people with the yellow caps will be in the running though right now but five different people may beat them as there's still a long way to go.
2252  Other / Meta / Re: Top "why I should not be banned excuses" & "it is not my alt excuses". on: October 30, 2018, 11:40:31 AM
We've got a "Sister" and a "Girlfriend" today:

Hey. Why banned my girlfriend's account? For participating in a bounty campaign?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2415059

hello sir,
I want to report that my sister account

name: treejay
link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=40556

account has been banned.
I hope you can unbanned my sister account ...


And people said there wasn't enough females in bitcoin/this board? Pfft. Proof right there that it's not a complete sausage fest.

Note: Both the nosacky and treejay accounts have a huge gap in posts from 2011/2012 to 2017/2018. I guess the siblings both took an extended vacation together and they're absolutely not the same person just using hacked accounts.

2253  Other / Meta / Re: account banned on: October 30, 2018, 11:18:19 AM
hello sir,
I want to report that my sister account

name: treejay
link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=40556

account has been banned.
I hope you can unbanned my sister account ...


Both that and this account you are using are likely hacked as well. On this one there's a huge gap in your posts from May 26 2011 to October 12, 2018 and on your "sisters" account there's one from January 22, 2012 to November 16, 2017.

You've posted a few addresses if you wanted to disprove this:

I know im new to the forum and to bitcoins all together, but i need a loan for 10 btc. Money is running low this quarter and im looking for help. I just started a new job saturday and dont get my first check for another two weeks. Will be able to pay you back on 9-12-11. I have a great rep on ebay. (tclivingston032190) Send to 19AsYrbMuamr8gvetctYH29QpUQAY6FbiG

Yes i do agree to a 14 BTC loan,
Yes i do agree to a 14.5 BTC repayment
Yes i do agree to repay by Jan 26, 2012 to address 12dmmv2NLGXa1iSb9DKuscYQrMAVmfrQLx.



Send to this address: 12WCYPsuFwiS9bigJuSAEErYSvpybn6xbs
 Please and thankyou.



The treejay account won't be unbanned though as you've been caught for plagiarism as k0er displayed above.
2254  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cloudbet's English Premier League Football Pool Discussion Thread on: October 30, 2018, 11:13:19 AM
Woah there, don't forget about the rest of us as it's still pretty close right down to the twenties on the leaderboard. I'm in thirteenth position but still only nine points from LFC in at the top. I think anyone other than probably the bottom five are still in with a very good chance of getting into the top five, especially if you turn your form around with a few good weeks and we've already seen a couple of players make some mighty climbs from the bottom with a few good runs. I don't know why there's players who aren't putting their scores in. You can fill them out for the entire season if you wanted so nobody should be missing games. Just put the scores in as 2-1 or something to the home or strongest team and you might get lucky as that to me seems to be the most popular score (a popular bet is often both teams to score and the strongest team to win if you don't want to try get the exact score right). Also, don't forget that there are five consolation prizes for the top five highest scorers in a round so you can still win your money back or even a little more if you get the highest points from a round overall.

Prizes for those that may have forgotten:

1st: 0.1
2nd: 0.04
3rd: 0.02
4th: 0.015
5th: 0.01


Consolation prizes for the top five users who score the most from a weekly round:

1st: 0.01
2nd: 0.005
3rd: 0.005
4th: 0.005
5th: 0.005

So there's always something to play for.
2255  Other / Meta / Re: Begging for merit? on: October 30, 2018, 10:54:42 AM

On Youtube it's totally normal to ask for "thumbs up", it's a very annoying habbit once you hear that 12 times per day.

It has become so bad that I skip the start of those videos. I often quit if they do it mid-stream as well.

I think it's a little different on youtube as they rely on likes and subscribers to get boosted in the YouTube algorithm so their videos are shown to other users as recommended, but it is annoying and I don't know anyone who's gonna like a video or subscribe just because they're prompted. I hardly ever like videos and I'm only going to subscribe to a channel if I actually like their content and not just because they asked (I mean, who is actually going to subscribe to a channel they don't like), so it's futile asking from my perspective, and as I said above I'm also probably much more likely to not give them what they want if they annoyingly actually ask for it.

giving him a warning would probably fine, to me it isn't begging.

It kind of is. People used to do it with their address here but that's largely died out IE if you liked this post please consider donating and then provided their bitcoin addy.
2256  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-10-29] Coinbase Downsizes More Than a Dozen People: Report on: October 30, 2018, 08:43:21 AM
I probably did sign up sometime in 2017 and had problems onwards, but I mailed their Customer Service a few months ago or so and never got a response at all either (though it wasn't a huge issue but to not get a response at all is unusual and quite unprofessional for a big company. If there were better options for me I would have abandoned the service long ago though). You may have a point about remoter workers. That was the position I applied for but I don't see them on their careers page anymore. Not sure why they'd get rid of them first though as there's benefits to them and are probably cheaper to hire or emply than office-based ones, but if they're more like third party self-employed contractors (like I am) it's easier to get rid of them without payouts and running into other legalities etc (depending on what sort of contract they're given if any. Most are just classed as 'temp' employees so can be made redundant at anytime for any reason).
2257  Other / Meta / Re: Begging for merit? on: October 30, 2018, 08:33:09 AM
I don’t think it warrants negative trust. Probably better just to tell him how fucking embarrassing it is to beg for Merit. In all likelihood he’ll stop doing it when he realises how pathetic people find it.

Do beggars on the street stop begging even though most people find it embarrassing and look down upon it? Some people just have no shame and all they care about is getting money (and let's be honest that's all this guy wants his merit for so he can move up a rank). Begging for merit is off topic for a start as well as unnecessary. If people like your post then they'll merit it. In fact, I'd be much more likely to not merit a post if I saw someone asking for it even if the post was deserving.  People who are begging or asking for merit should just be told to stop as a first line and most probably will, but if they continue then maybe negative is appropriate. If there's no repercussions for people continually begging or asking for it then it'll just become more commonplace.
2258  Other / Meta / Re: Community generated suggestions to improve the forum (+ eventual voting on them) on: October 30, 2018, 08:27:04 AM
Resurrecting Bitcoin Discussion would (in my opinion) be much more important than trying to rescue the altcoin board. But it's not infested by bump bots like the altcoin board, and that's why I made the 1 Merit suggestion there.
I think Bitcoin Discussion needs a moderator with iron fist. Politics & Society is in a better state now than Bitcoin Discussion (thanks to Flying Hellfish).

I completely agree on your point regarding Bitcoin Discussion. This is bitcointalk, first and foremost a forum about bitcoin. Bitcoin Discussion should be the main board people are interested in. It's the first board most people will visit when they discover the forum, and it gives off a terrible first impression. As it stands, many senior members won't even venture in to it because of all the spam. The sub needs a dedicated mod that can clean up the spam and monitor any thread that reaches 5+ pages, as 99% of them are spam mega-threads which OP has long deserted.

I worry about the unintended consequences of the 1 merit limit for posting in Altcoin boards, however. Yes, many of them are bump bots, but there are a non-insignificant number of spammers just trying to rank up. Ban them from Altcoins and they will spill over to other boards - Bitcoin Discussion being the most likely.

As I said above, requiring merit to post in the regular boards almost certainly won't happen as theymos is against those sorts of restrictions. It seemed like even requiring one merit for a signature was pushing the limits of what he's willing to do. With that being said, I wouldn't be against additional new boards that can only be posted in once you have a certain amount of merit so that should at least up the quality of discussion allowed in those boards and I have already suggested that here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4854646.msg43759760#msg43759760

Bitcoin Discussion definitely needs some dedicated mods and I'm not sure why this hasn't happened yet.

As I stated earlier I don't see the need at the moment.
The ranking up process is locked by the new rules. The total shitposters cannot rank up to Jr. the ones that are more advances will probably reach up to member but not more.

It's not that difficult for shitposters to get a single merit to become Junior. They might not get it legitimately but I'm seeing a lot of shitposting juniors with one suspicious merit floating around. They can also just purchase the Copper Membership for $15-$20 or whatever it is. I still think we should remove Junior's signatures and require ten merit before you can get one. This makes it ten times harder or costlier for them to abuse.
2259  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cloudbet's English Premier League Football Pool Discussion Thread on: October 30, 2018, 08:12:02 AM
And Wembley pitch was awful tonight after NFL game.

Yeah, never seen it that bad. Don't know why they bother with American football games. Nobody cares about it over here. With that being said, there were apparently 85,870 people there and Wembley's capacity is 90,000. Maybe people just go because of the novelty of it. I guess it's probably the NFL just trying to promote the sport and garner some interest in it so they can up the fees for the rights to show games over here. I read somewhere that they even lose money putting games on over here and US fans don't like it because the games are always early in the morning.

Has the new stadium been delayed again? I did see that they opened their shop in the new stadium, even before the opening ceremony. Good to see they've got their priorities straight. Tongue



Well they gotta start recouping their money for it  Grin. It's costing them around $1 billion. Not sure how they'll ever earn that money back, especially with how much they spend on players then paying their wages (though no expenditure on new players last season - maybe they've got no money to buy any haha). I think the outside is all done and it's just some things inside like the pitch they're having trouble with. It looks pretty high tech. Apparently the pitch can slide away and there's another one ready to go. The other one is a synthetic grass surface which will be used for future NFL games apparently. At least they won't fuck up the football pitch now.

2260  Economy / Reputation / Re: You think I am a scammer? mdayonliner's reputation on: October 30, 2018, 07:48:11 AM
I never really trust anyone who offers to hold onto other's money when they're not qualified to and more often than not it does go sour when they do and that's why this is such a big issue that makes me intrinsically distrust people when they do it.
For what it's worth, I understand your position on this and respect it--and I know why you left that neg for mdayonliner.

In real life, I generally tend to look for the best side of people, though I'm not stupid enough to take everything people say and do at face value.  And yes, I've been fooled many times before and expect I'll be fooled again.  I try to take a much more skeptical approach on bitcointalk, where it seems like the proportion of scammers here is orders of magnitude greater than it is IRL. 

I'd personally rather err on the side of caution than think most people are angels who won't scam you given the chance, but scammers will be disproportional on here compared to real life because this is a board about magical internet money that you can't get back once you send it so it's the perfect money for scammers and that's why they flock here. Once they've scammed you that's it in 99% of cases. Money gone and you'll never see it again. If you can build up a bit of trust and rep and go for the long con then it's much easier to run off with a big amount at some point. I still wouldn't trust someone who comes up to me on the street and asks to borrow money though or someone I've known for year or so offers to escrow a large cash deal for me. Adding the layer of anonymity with the internet just makes things easier to go sketchy without repercussions.

100k isn't that much money.  I guess there are a lot of poor people on these forums.  I seems most  all the bitcoin millionaires have left this place for good.

Even being a millionaire isn't considered wealthy these days, that is reserved for billionaires.
$100K may not be much to you but I want you to understand that the issues on here is not about the forum been filled millionaires or poor people. Even since I'm on this forum doing escrow of any huge fund on this forum require two or three trusted parties signatures and trying to operate the escrow of huge fund alone will definitely raise a red flag which is what is happening now.

A good person can turn bad .

Big Dicks is a troll; just ignore him. $100k is a lot of money to anyone unless you're a billionaire. $100k is a worth a lot more if you're not from the West too.
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