I will not quote your post to save on walls of texts, but I think the best thing to send back is that it is ILLEGAL TO NOT REFUND MONEY. lol.  Regardless of what terms or what not the company writes on their website, the FEDERAL LAW, which takes precedence over scamming companies, says that it is illegal.

Refer to the BFL case where the FTC ordered BFL to start immediately refunding everyone in their queue who asked for it.

Hmm, that would be awesome if it constantly was rebuying more PACMiC's, I would continuesly be putting more money into this as the returns are pretty good right now, but I am wondering how that will work, especially since they are still only being sold by the 1 btc ea mark.

I have a hard time working out how it would constantly be rebuying PACMiC power.  I really hope it isn't waiting for 1 btc to accumulate before it buys another one.

EDIT:  Some cool new graphs and layout features though, nicely done guys!

In which case, I wish him a speedy recovery and that he is all right, at what point do you suggest I be concerned that he has stolen from me?


I am currently reporting that.  2 weeks since he said he would send the package.  I also don't see anyone reporting receiving a package from him, and he claimed that some of the S3's were sold.

Again, at what point do you guys think this should start to get escalated?  I understand something may have happened to him, but from this point of view, we don't know anything.  I will gladly delete these posts if he comes back and either sends me my money back or I get my package, but at what point do we consider that a scam has taken place?

Are more PACMiC's going to be added for sale?

I realize he is a legendary member, but he took my money on the 3rd, said he would be shipping next day, and here we are 2 weeks later and I don't have a package and he hasn't logged on since then.  In that time, the bitcoin price has risen by a little bit, so I would believe I am entitled to a partial refund since I have effectively given him a 2 week loan where nothing was being done on his part.

I have already said he gets a little longer, but I am collecting his information, if anyone has anything on him please let me know so I can contact the proper authorities when I get tired of waiting.  (To me this sounds like a sold or hacked account that the buyer got some use out of it being a legendary member).

Lol, I think I got the last 2 PACMiC for that round of sale.  After I hit submit, it said that the buy was unsuccessful, but when I looked in my contracts, I had both of them.  Either way, really happy with these so far.

What a shame, this is looking to be a scam, I wonder if the account was sold or hacked or something.  Giving another day or two before I post negative rep for this scam.

Does anyone have any further information on this guy?

Sorry if he has already wrote to you, but escrow is if you would rather use a third party member of this forum to hold your funds while your item is in transit.  Once it arrives, you let me know, and I will send the funds to amazon4u.  This way both parties are protected if something goes wrong.

Please let me know if you have any other questions.

P.S. - Amazon4u, I am sending payment now for the transaction we did last week.  Thanks again!

Love the idea and completely 100% agree. I think this would go far in creating a marketplace that has a little more transparency.

I know the trust would be a major factor in a service such as this, and to be honest, I put the project on hold as I wasn't sure the interest would be there for such a service, but it was just an idea I had.  Obviously, I have built a lot of trust around here and that says something, but it is one thing to trade a few hundred dollar item and another to send thousands in bitcoins to with the idea of investing.  I figured I would take a percent of the daily interest as payment for such a service, which would lower interest probably further.

Like I said, it was just an idea and I thought it would allow people to have liquidity on their deposits, but being a third party service from Bitfinex obviously would have its draw backs.  Perhaps when I have more time I will follow through with this service more and see if it would go anywhere, as I still think it would be a great idea and get a lot of interest.  In my eyes, it would be just like investing with Bitfinex, but you can withdraw whenever you want and still earn roughly the same amount of interest.

I actually had an idea that would fix this and even got quotes to get the website made, but let me know what you guys think.  My idea is to provide liquidity for the lender by pooling funds into one account, and lending out roughly 90% of the pooled funds, while sharing interest over all deposits.  This should allow enough liquidity for people to withdraw their funds whenever they want, but still earn interest.  Obviously, that number can be tweaked to get the right amount that would need to be withheld, but I believe that with a bot to handle the lending to make it optimal for the pool, you could make up the interest lost on the 10% of funds not lent out, so that users really wouldn't notice a loss of any income and could withdraw whenever they felt like.

Thoughts?

If your asking if I will hold Paypal in escrow, I will unfortunately have to decline.  I will hold bitcoin or other crypto currencies and will even do cash if the fees and what not are paid, but I will not hold reversible types of currencies, risk just isn't worth it.



If your asking how I am an escrow in the deal you quoted above, it is because amazon4u has agreed to ship the item before I pay him for it.  If your asking how the service works in general, you and the seller will figure out a deal and when you know what you want to buy you let me know.  I will give you a deposit address to send the bitcoin to and will hold the bitcoin while the item is in transit.  When the item arrives, you will tell me that everything is good to go and I will send the funds to the seller.  This protects both parties from fraud and non payment/shipping.

Please let me know if you have any other questions.

Thanks,

DebitMe

Hey man, were you able to get a tracking number for my order?

Thanks,

DebitMe

I think your a child who doesn't know how to use quotes properly on a forum.  I think your throwing a little temper tantrum ~redacted~

Just made a bet on Iowa State -1.5 tonight on the new site, so now I also think your incompetent at using computers because everything is working properly.  Don't worry though, if Texas wins I will be sure to come back here and blame the bookie for my bad sports picking skillz.

EDIT:  I also think your education level can't be that high, seeing as your sentences are very hard to follow and are basically all run on's with more than one thought (being generous by calling it a thought) going into each segment, making it very hard to follow.

I apologize for probably over reacting and will delete my post if you guys would like (just PM me), but some cry babies seriously just piss me off.  It pisses me off that this child can sit behind a computer and say this type of thing, when we all know he would be scared to shit to say anything of that sort to anyone's actual face.  Just idiots ruining the world I suppose.

Let me see if I understand you...you couldn't place a bet on the new site that they have been working to implement, so you "rushed" to the old site that they left up just in case the new site had problems, and your bet lost and your mad at the site?  Seriously dude, your bet lost and your mad at the casino?  Your the type of idiot that really takes the cake.  Hey Guys, I suck at sports betting, but it isn't me, it is the site that took my bet.

Go troll elsewhere you child.  Maybe reevaluate your life if you seriously have the audacity to get mad at the sports book for your losing bet.

Hello doctor, I got cancer, I am suing you...for you know...keeping me healthy all these years so far.

Has anyone received anything from this sale?  I never received a tracking number and still haven't received anything after he said he would ship them the next day on the 3rd.

You know what would be neat Hashnest, is a reinvest strategy for the PACMiC.  I get the bitcoin paid out to me, but can't reinvest it until I get another bitcoin, so they are just sitting in my account collecting dust.  Are there plans, or could you start talking about, a way to reinvest funds into the PACMiC program?  It could be done on a daily or weekly basis or have the rules slightly different.  IDK quite how it would work, but I am sure something could be thought up to get those bitcoins put back to work for me and make it more of a compounding thing.

Hey man, I got one of these from someone as well (never give any money to Blackarrow personally, it will be gone forever and you will get nothing back) and it does the exact same thing.  It will run for 15 mins to an hour then stop.  The only fix I found was to go into settings on the actual unit and go to device and change the restart times per hour to 10 (or any other number) but this only fixes it for a couple of days, then it starts having the same problem as before.

The reason this is happening is really simple.  BlackArrow is a scam company run by the most despicable people on this planet.  Seriously, these are the type of people who commit credit card fraud and screw hard working good people out of their money.  Even their original company made credit card scanners that were explicitly used to steal credit card info.

Moral of the story, go buy a unit from Bitmain or Spondoolies Tech.  Either company will deliver a superior product, with better power ratings, and you will find that the owners and employees actually care about their customers and want to develop a relationship with those they sell to, instead of just stealing as much money as they can.  Also, the reason you can't find any information about this issue is that 1) The units usually catch fire before they get to this point 2) BA hasn't shipped enough units for others to find a fix 3)BA doesn't care enough to answer the questions, like this one, that has been asked before to their tech support (which is probably some idiot or even the owner himself who can't tell his own ass from a bitcoin miner).

Didn't we recently find out over on the AsicMiner thread that a major backer for bitmain and AM is the same person?  That would make sense then that one would know intimate details of the others production leads.  Although, no guarantees that it is AM they are talking about, pure speculation.