but they have made more coin in the last few days, than they would have in a year or more of normal operation.
You've done them a favor.
that may be true, even if most of the wagers were from people looking to abuse the flawed system they had in place. I don't know what the statistics for the site were prior to all this, so I can't say if they actually made coin from this, but definitely a big attention boost. seems to be in a slight loss for the last day though.  |
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i didnt realize the discrepancy between the decimal place "fix" between the roll value and the rolls themselves, no need to be insulting.
says the person who says: recheck your math, because thats a pretty glaring error on your part. If you're going to be rude at least be right i told you that i thought you made a mistake when i was unaware of the discrepancy; you called me a kid. theres a difference. Funniest part of all this, is that this place has more business and players now from all this attention than they would have got in a year.
I guess there is no such thing as bad press.
the majority of the new people there now are just looking to exploit, when i was on there last night all the chat was was "how to exploit? someone tell me how to +EV? 100% win method?" when all this dies down the site should be relatively dead i think, that or after Dogedigital gives his official statement. |
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a 1 in 5000 chance is a 0.02% win chance; 0.02*5000 = 1
It's 0.002 not 0.02 0.015*6666 = 99.99, giving a 0.01% house edge. recheck your math, because thats a pretty glaring error on your part.
sssh. Let the adults talk please. Where does 0.015 even come from? right here  i didnt realize the discrepancy between the decimal place "fix" between the roll value and the rolls themselves, no need to be insulting. |
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I checked your account. The bets you are making seem to be -EV. Are you sure you didn't just get lucky?
(payout * chance = 99.99; less than 100 means it's -EV)
Take a bet: "< 0.015 @ 6666x" There are two possible outcomes I win: 0.01 and 0.00. Both of which I hit (and got paid for). There are 10,000 possible outcomes. So I have a 1 in 5000 chance of winning. A 1 in 5000 chance of winning 6666x, seems pretty +EV for me So which one of us is stupid? a 1 in 5000 chance is a 0.02% win chance; 0.02*5000 = 1 0.015*6666 = 99.99, giving a 0.01% house edge. recheck your math, because thats a pretty glaring error on your part. |
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100 - 3507*0.02 = 29.86 29.86% house edge. good thing joter doesnt care if hes practically scamming players.  Well that is not it... with 2 digits after decimal in winning chance %, you literally cannot offer payouts with +1 increments. These people are too duffer to understand this. There multiplier is still full of blunders even after so-called "fix" i pointed that out before too, and even suggested a fix: make the multiplier based on the win chance rather than the win chance based on the multiplier as it is now. this joter85 guy is beyond too stupid to code; a programmer disregarding math is probably the single most ridiculous thing ive heard in years. |
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100 - 3507*0.02 = 29.86 29.86% house edge. good thing joter doesnt care if hes practically scamming players. |
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Here's the video. This marks ~25,000 consecutive rolls without a win. This means in 25,000 rolls, a 1/200 chance -- any number over >99.945.
>>> 1 / ((99.946 / 100) ** 25000) 732080.9049554196 That's a 1-in-732k chance? Also, "The video you have requested is not available." - what's up with that? might be that sharing settings werent set right, here's the first video though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkhkUcygZv8&feature=youtu.bealso dogedigital feel free to pm me if you want help getting a scam accusation together, id be more than happy to help compile some info for you. |
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seems Russel434 has stopped betting for now, grand total profit of 0.16494382 BTC with 2.04093204 wagered.  1094x rolls, 1k satoshi wagers, 9.4% player edge, pretty close to EV. meanwhile, Rush224 has made off with a bit more:  0.9236765 wagered, 0.27602352 BTC profit; he was doing 6613x rolls which would give him a 32% player edge, which seems close enough for a small sample size. 4.5k satoshi wagers. |
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Here's the video. This marks ~25,000 consecutive rolls without a win. This means in 25,000 rolls, a 1/200 chance -- any number over >99.945. http://youtu.be/q5ofHQNKtI8At this point, I don't really care about a refund. Simply, I'll just be starting a scam accusation and warn all others here that even if this is the result of an infinitely low occurring event, there are way too many problems with the script and edge and is ran by unmotivated and stubborn owners. Do NOT play Here! God fucking damn doge. That is insane. I really dont think this is possible if its fair. Sucks that you lost money on this but holy shit thats either INCREDIBLEy bad luck or rigged/skipping nonces. dooglus mentioned that the site is using the old provably fair system; it might be more malicious than just skipping nonces, since I'm guessing there aren't nonces to be skipped. |
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ive already offered just 1 BTC to give the details of the bug allowing for +EV bets, and another .5 BTC for a more serious bug found by dooglus.
I think the issue I found would go away as soon as they fixed the bug that you found to be honest. They're pretty related. I've been most of the day so haven't been able to keep up with this thread. I'll edit this with replies to later posts as I read them. now that you mention it, i see how the second one would be fixed if a proper fix for the first one was to be implemented. right now, the hotfix joter85 has decided to implement is to simply add another decimal place to the roll value, but the rounding error still exists here, just on a smaller scale. No idea why joter hasn't just closed the site to fix these issues and then reopen after making sure everything is properly secured. Because he's stupid. Either that or he is trying to extort money out of the site. Anyones guess at this point why he refuses to make a proper fix or take the site down considering he is risking others money. I think ive already suggested a proper fix for this earlier in the thread; make the multiplier based off of the winning chance: multiplier = 0.992/(win chance) right now, the win chance being dependent on the multiplier is causing the rounding issues. |
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ive already offered just 1 BTC to give the details of the bug allowing for +EV bets, and another .5 BTC for a more serious bug found by dooglus.
I think the issue I found would go away as soon as they fixed the bug that you found to be honest. They're pretty related. I've been most of the day so haven't been able to keep up with this thread. I'll edit this with replies to later posts as I read them. now that you mention it, i see how the second one would be fixed if a proper fix for the first one was to be implemented. right now, the hotfix joter85 has decided to implement is to simply add another decimal place to the roll value, but the rounding error still exists here, just on a smaller scale. No idea why joter hasn't just closed the site to fix these issues and then reopen after making sure everything is properly secured. three possibilities: 1) he's asleep 2) based on the stubbornness displayed earlier in the thread (simulator, "i dont like math") he might be taking stubbornness to a new level when there is clearly an exploit being abused at this very moment 3) the site has gone full scam and the admin/dev is waiting for the right time. |
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ive already offered just 1 BTC to give the details of the bug allowing for +EV bets, and another .5 BTC for a more serious bug found by dooglus.
I think the issue I found would go away as soon as they fixed the bug that you found to be honest. They're pretty related. I've been most of the day so haven't been able to keep up with this thread. I'll edit this with replies to later posts as I read them. now that you mention it, i see how the second one would be fixed if a proper fix for the first one was to be implemented. right now, the hotfix joter85 has decided to implement is to simply add another decimal place to the roll value, but the rounding error still exists here, just on a smaller scale. |
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I will drop some negative feedback on joter85 so hopefully others will no longer invest or play there without knowing about these bugs and exploits. Who knows, these exploits may have been in place for a reason. Like to slowly drain the investors  pretty perceptive, this was also a point brought up in a pm; as it stands the dice script created by joter85 is either incomplete/shoddy or intentionally faulty. if i were to give the benefit of the doubt considering that 1094x bets that are still going through, im inclined to think that the script was shoddily created and is incomplete. however, with dogedigital's experience with the site possibly having nonces skipped on the "simsim" account, i really dont know what to think here. edit: Russel434 is still at it, ~0.12 in profit as of right now with 1k satoshi bets, exploiting both bugs to obtain a 9.4% edge as previously stated. |
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Youtube is telling me 56 minutes. I wasn't able to get the new user winning as my computer died from video memory, but I can easily do it under any other account and expect a win within 2-400 rolls.
I recorded it with myself in the video to show that there was no funny business, editing, or magic going on and that it was all in real time with the time stamps proving that there no re-takes.
glad to see you followed my suggestion, even more so to see that my suspicion may have been proven true. i said this in the chat before after speculation from a pm conversation, but it may be that your ip/account is blacklisted to skip nonces or something of the sort.
sorry, i have a habit of editing posts immediately after posting them, just wanted to make sure this part was seen regarding the issue here. I wouldnt be surprised if something to enable this function was already implemented in the back end; it doesnt seem right that something like this could be implemented in such a short time frame. |
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So.... I made another video as others didn't believe me and I knew 100% that the next 5000 rolls would result in 0 wins. I'm uploading the video as we speak.
I also predicted (as you can hear in the video) that if I started a new user account and changed the VPN, that I would hit in about 2-400 rolls which low and behold, I did.
Again... You tell me that something isn't wrong. I believe there's tampering going on.
glad to see you followed my suggestion, even more so to see that my suspicion may have been proven true. i said this in the chat before after speculation from a pm conversation, but it may be that your ip/account is blacklisted to skip nonces or something of the sort. |
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Okay then, glad you realized your mistake and the damage that could have been done if you were to get an offer and proceeded to sell the exploit. Just so everyone knows, I have nothing to do with the site and I'm not a investor. I'm just wondering why nobody else could see the point I was trying to make. If someone pulled this BS at just-dice (offered to sell an exploit if Dooglus didn't pay up), all the kids over there would go absolutely crazy. I changed my feedback to neutral since you admitted you made a mistake  selling it was the first intention with the thread, and later on i opted to take the more moral route and provide the details to the admin, but through the exchange, the frustration in dealing with the admin resulted in my looking to sel it again, and then back to public disclosure of the bug so that it could be fixed. either way, excuses arent accepted, so i wont be making any, the only thing to do is continue the moral path from now on, as it were. if anything, i hope future dice site owners/dice site script coders can take a page out of this and thoroughly examine their code to prevent anything similar to this happening. |
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again, i stand that i didnt threaten them at any point.
Pay me or I sell the exploit , which would only screw investors. Yeah okay, no harm done there  i never demanded payment from them, i only asked that the full sum be agreed to and i did agree that I would disclose the first bug if they agreed, which they did not. the disclosure of the second bug was not up to me as I had no in depth knowledge of it at the time. then the insults began... i never even put the bug to use either. again, youre free to think what you think, but at this point i have no ill intentions to either of the individuals running the site. well it seems this has quickly turned against me somehow, i agree that xetsr has valid points and that i am at fault for a lapse in judgement, but i did not get anything out of this from either crypto-games or any other third party. You didn't get anything out of this... but what if someone did pay you? This is the point I'm trying to make. if someone offered you what you were asking for, you would have sold them the exploit, right? Like your previous posts suggested. You were willing to release the exploit for a price at the expense of investors. cant find it now, but at the point in which the dev/admin mentioned that emails were sent out to investors, is around the time when i learned that there were investors on the site. ill be quite honest here, i initially noticed the bug when i clicked "max" on the site, and noticed the discrepancy of 6500x and 0.02% win chance. at that point in time, i had no knowledge there was an investment option on the site.
Am I misunderstanding something here?
no you are not, that is my fault and a serious lapse in judgement. edit: at this point I am not even sure that I would trust the site to pay out large wins that a +EV strategy would result in. The site is very new, has a tiny bankroll, and is acting very unprofessionally.
big point here; even if they decide to pay out, their decisions in handling this entire matter were questionable at best, announcing their site as the subject of this thread was probably the biggest mistake, this is a lose-lose situation for them now. Yeah, and it's not only them at risk, but also investor's money. Them being "confident" is totally going to bring a lot of people down. Time to take a couple of last looks at the site lol. great point, after this, their site is dead regardless of the outcome. inviting people to come and dump your bankroll and not even consulting with your investors? that's some special publicity right there. |
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I can't speak to any specific conversations that either Dooglus or subSTRATA had with this site's owner, or the owner of other sites. However if it were me that had found the exploit, then I would have told them something along the following:
"I have found an issue with your site that others could potentially use to steal from you, I have no intention of disclosing it to anyone other then you, nor do I have any intention of using such exploit personally, although I cannot guarantee that others will not use the same public information to exploit this same issue."
I think the above would pass the test of not being blackmail, while still being reasonably compensated for your time/skills.
The fact is that gambling sites are for-profit entities, and giving advice as to how to prevent yourself from getting robbed when large amounts of money is at stake should not be given for free. These sites should invest in the time/effort to prevent these kinds of exploits from existing in the first place.
something along those lines;  i made it clear there were two bugs in the initial pm sent, and at which a later point DCM was suddenly surprised there were two bugs. also i made it clear in the first few pages of the thread that no details would be disclosed except to the site owner. |
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again, i stand that i didnt threaten them at any point.
Pay me or I sell the exploit , which would only screw investors. Yeah okay, no harm done there i never demanded payment from them, i only asked that the full sum be agreed to and i did agree that I would disclose the first bug if they agreed, which they did not. the disclosure of the second bug was not up to me as I had no in depth knowledge of it at the time. then the insults began... i never even put the bug to use either. again, youre free to think what you think, but at this point i have no ill intentions to either of the individuals running the site. well it seems this has quickly turned against me somehow, i agree that xetsr has valid points and that i am at fault for a lapse in judgement, but i did not get anything out of this from either crypto-games or any other third party. |
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again, i stand that i didnt threaten them at any point.
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