crypto-games.net, 30% house edge, bugs and vulnerabilities, screw the investors!

[mfaspk]

Seems Joter learned nothing from this:

[06:50] <[ADM]Joter85> they reported this issue on forum
[06:50] <[ADM]Joter85> and they want 1,5 btc for it
[06:50] <[MOD]Lutpin> he needed it to buy something
[06:51] <[ADM]Joter85> we want to give them 1 btc
[06:51] <chiny> ohh... i see...
[06:51] <[ADM]Joter85> but they didn't want it
[06:51] <chiny> then how much they want?
[06:51] <[ADM]Joter85> maybe kewl will give them 1btc not sure
[06:51] <[ADM]Joter85> if you ask me i wouldn't give them nothing
[06:51] <[ADM]Joter85> as they were rude
[06:51] <[ADM]Joter85> and insulting all the time
[06:52] <[ADM]Joter85> problem is
[06:52] <[ADM]Joter85> we didn't realized severity of this problem
[06:52] <chiny> yes.. if i am a mod i will mute them imidiately in chat... haha
[06:52] <[ADM]Joter85> if we would know it is such a big issue we would pay
[06:52] <[ADM]Joter85> ah no need
[06:52] <[ADM]Joter85> i leave them to cry here
[06:52] <[ADM]Joter85> and on forum too

The lesson should be when people smarter than you try to help you, shut up and listen!

Here is what he told me when I told him that with such house edge you are literally cheating people...

https://i.imgur.com/8Kvb5KF.png

[dooglus]

Here is what he told me when I told him that with such house edge you are literally cheating people...

https://i.imgur.com/8Kvb5KF.png

I don't think the 4960x bets are a problem:

>>> 100 - 4960 * 0.02
0.8

That's a 0.8% edge as advertised.

The 200x bets have a 2% edge:

>>> 100 - 200 * (99.99 - 99.5)
2

[mfaspk]

Here is what he told me when I told him that with such house edge you are literally cheating people...

https://i.imgur.com/8Kvb5KF.png

I don't think the 4960x bets are a problem:

>>> 100 - 4960 * 0.02
0.8

That's a 0.8% edge as advertised.

The 200x bets have a 2% edge:

>>> 100 - 200 * (99.99 - 99.5)
2

well yes but they set max payout rato to 4960x after reading my post. Try to see hosue edge on 3507x

[subSTRATA]

100 - 3507*0.02 = 29.86

29.86% house edge.
good thing joter doesnt care if hes practically scamming players.

[mfaspk]

100 - 3507*0.02 = 29.86

29.86% house edge.
good thing joter doesnt care if hes practically scamming players.
http://i.gyazo.com/90b363b33eff4ca65a8610a71dc7c78f.png

Well that is not it... with 2 digits after decimal in winning chance %, you literally cannot offer payouts with +1 increments. These people are too duffer to understand this. Their multiplier is still full of blunders even after so-called "fix".

Anyway that takes the cake:
https://i.imgur.com/FjpDUEK.png

[Dogedigital]

I keep trying to upload the video but youtube is giving me problems.  It's a 4.27gb .flv file.  Going to try and convert it and see what happens.  I'll give my statement when the video is ready.

[subSTRATA]

100 - 3507*0.02 = 29.86

29.86% house edge.
good thing joter doesnt care if hes practically scamming players.

Well that is not it... with 2 digits after decimal in winning chance %, you literally cannot offer payouts with +1 increments. These people are too duffer to understand this. There multiplier is still full of blunders even after so-called "fix"

i pointed that out before too, and even suggested a fix: make the multiplier based on the win chance rather than the win chance based on the multiplier as it is now. this joter85 guy is beyond too stupid to code; a programmer disregarding math is probably the single most ridiculous thing ive heard in years.

[dooglus]

I just private messaged dooglus my account information for verification. I hope he checks it, and gives them negative rep as I just used the exploit to take 0.3 BTC from the investors. Dooglus can should be able to check the account history to verify this

I'm happy to return the money once they acknowledge the issue.

I don't think these guys are scammers just very very very very stupid.

I checked your account. The bets you are making seem to be -EV. Are you sure you didn't just get lucky?

(payout * chance = 99.99; less than 100 means it's -EV)

[mfaspk]

Sorry I wrote 3507x by mistake.. its 3307x currently with the worst house edge, about 33.86%. (Previously it was 4961x with 50.39%)

   manual_bet = function (type) {
        if (Runing == true) {
            return;
        }
        Runing = true;
        activate_user_bets();
        var bet = $("#txtBet").val();
        var multiplier = $("#txtMultiplier").val();
        if (manual_validate() == true) {
            var clientseed = localStorage.clientseed; // local client seed
            getResultManual(Longid, Idc, bet, multiplier, type, clientseed);
            provably_fair_reload();
        }
        else {
            Runing = false;
        }
    }

and worst of all... they still send multiplier value to make the roll, like they have learned nothing yet.

[subSTRATA]

I checked your account. The bets you are making seem to be -EV. Are you sure you didn't just get lucky?

(payout * chance = 99.99; less than 100 means it's -EV)

Take a bet: "< 0.015  @ 6666x"

There are two possible outcomes I win: 0.01 and 0.00. Both of which I hit (and got paid for). There are 10,000 possible outcomes. So I have a 1 in 5000 chance of winning. A 1 in 5000 chance of winning 6666x, seems pretty +EV for me


So which one of us is stupid?

a 1 in 5000 chance is a 0.02% win chance; 0.02*5000 = 1

0.015*6666 = 99.99, giving a 0.01% house edge. recheck your math, because thats a pretty glaring error on your part.

[dooglus]

I checked your account. The bets you are making seem to be -EV. Are you sure you didn't just get lucky?

(payout * chance = 99.99; less than 100 means it's -EV)

Take a bet: "< 0.015  @ 6666x"

There are two possible outcomes I win: 0.01 and 0.00. Both of which I hit (and got paid for). There are 10,000 possible outcomes. So I have a 1 in 5000 chance of winning. A 1 in 5000 chance of winning 6666x, seems pretty +EV for me


So which one of us fails at math?

Are you saying they added a decimal place to the target but not to the rolls themselves?

That's amazing!

< 0.015 is the same as < 0.02 when your rolls only have 2 decimal places.

So much fail in one place!

[subSTRATA]

a 1 in 5000 chance is a 0.02% win chance; 0.02*5000 = 1

It's 0.002 not 0.02

0.015*6666 = 99.99, giving a 0.01% house edge. recheck your math, because thats a pretty glaring error on your part.

sssh. Let the adults talk please. Where does 0.015 even come from?

right here


i didnt realize the discrepancy between the decimal place "fix" between the roll value and the rolls themselves, no need to be insulting.

[dooglus]

Where does 0.015 even come from?

These bets have a target of < 0.015:



but the rolls only have 2 decimal places...

[laughingbear]

Funniest part of all this, is that this place has more business and players now from all this attention than they would have got in a year.

I guess there is no such thing as bad press.

[subSTRATA]

i didnt realize the discrepancy between the decimal place "fix" between the roll value and the rolls themselves, no need to be insulting.

says the person who says:

recheck your math, because thats a pretty glaring error on your part.

If you're going to be rude at least be right

i told you that i thought you made a mistake when i was unaware of the discrepancy; you called me a kid. theres a difference.

Funniest part of all this, is that this place has more business and players now from all this attention than they would have got in a year.

I guess there is no such thing as bad press.

the majority of the new people there now are just looking to exploit, when i was on there last night all the chat was was "how to exploit? someone tell me how to +EV? 100% win method?"

when all this dies down the site should be relatively dead i think, that or after Dogedigital gives his official statement.

[laughingbear]

but they have made more coin in the last few days, than they would have in a year or more of normal operation.

You've done them a favor.

[arallmuus]

when all this dies down the site should be relatively dead i think, that or after Dogedigital gives his official statement.

It wont be dead yet as most people doesnt even know what +EV means and practically they dont care about it especially this is happening for specific high mutiplier. Sadly if you look on the chatbox , you could see that there are still some regular playing as usual there without even care about it and they took on Joter's words that everything has been fixed while the fact is that everything is not fixed yet ( he is the first coder who dont know to do a simple math that I have met until now )

These people is pretty much ignorance with their "favourite site", the same thing you could say to those who are still playing ad supporting on 999dice despite that the site has been declared as a rigged and scam site since day 1

but they have made more coin in the last few days, than they would have in a year or more of normal operation.

You've done them a favor.

So you proposed that we should keep quiet about this and let it go? This is not how the things work around here though

[subSTRATA]

but they have made more coin in the last few days, than they would have in a year or more of normal operation.

You've done them a favor.

that may be true, even if most of the wagers were from people looking to abuse the flawed system they had in place. I don't know what the statistics for the site were prior to all this, so I can't say if they actually made coin from this, but definitely a big attention boost. seems to be in a slight loss for the last day though.

[laughingbear]

when all this dies down the site should be relatively dead i think, that or after Dogedigital gives his official statement.

It wont be dead yet as most people doesnt even know what +EV means and practically they dont care about it especially this is happening for specific high mutiplier. Sadly if you look on the chatbox , you could see that there are still some regular playing as usual there without even care about it and they took on Joter's words that everything has been fixed while the fact is that everything is not fixed yet ( he is the first coder who dont know to do a simple math that I have met until now )

These people is pretty much ignorance with their "favourite site", the same thing you could say to those who are still playing ad supporting on 999dice despite that the site has been declared as a rigged site since day 1

but they have made more coin in the last few days, than they would have in a year or more of normal operation.

You've done them a favor.

So you proposed that we should keep quiet about this and let it go? This is not how the things work around here though

Im saying your driving traffic and money to them, and thats true.  At this point they have made their money, and can shut down and reopen under a different name.  Id go about this differently.

[fox19891989]

when all this dies down the site should be relatively dead i think, that or after Dogedigital gives his official statement.

It wont be dead yet as most people doesnt even know what +EV means and practically they dont care about it especially this is happening for specific high mutiplier. Sadly if you look on the chatbox , you could see that there are still some regular playing as usual there without even care about it and they took on Joter's words that everything has been fixed while the fact is that everything is not fixed yet ( he is the first coder who dont know to do a simple math that I have met until now )

These people is pretty much ignorance with their "favourite site", the same thing you could say to those who are still playing ad supporting on 999dice despite that the site has been declared as a rigged and scam site since day 1

but they have made more coin in the last few days, than they would have in a year or more of normal operation.

You've done them a favor.

So you proposed that we should keep quiet about this and let it go? This is not how the things work around here though

I have communicated with joter before, I thought he was arrogant and I thought he doesn't listen to others, I think I am totally correct. He is not only the bad math student, but also an very arrogant guy.

I talked with him in his thread about marketing of his site, but he refused to listen my ideas. I don't wanna find those discussions and show them cos it is wasting time, if everyone blames him, he must have some issues so that others blame him. So he doesn't care about his site and investors, his investors will be screwed by him I am pretty sure.