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2261  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Bitcoin theory and Bandwidth Utilization over time. on: April 01, 2018, 10:22:40 AM
Is there something wrong with this line of reasoning?  Am I missing something?  

The growth of available bandwidth due to technological improvements.

Even so you made a good observation, as that's pretty much one of the main arguments for keeping Bitcoin's blocks as small as possible. And incidentally, why Bitcoin has decided against linear on-chain scaling, favouring the likes of Lighting Network instead. The latter enabling small transactions to be accumulatively settled, without having to bloaten the blockchain with every single micro-transaction ever made.

Even as network infrastucture and technology improves, blockchain space is a limited resource and should be treated as such.
2262  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Why is the contest period of Side-chain so long? on: April 01, 2018, 10:10:14 AM
Educated guess: For added security, similar to how freshly mined blocks can't be spent until they are 100 blocks deep.

Keep in mind that Bitcoin's security model is largely probabilistic, meaning that while 6 confirmations are fairly safe, there's still a slight chance of a successful (and costly) double-spend attack. Or an accidental fork, even.

Now if a handful transactions get lost or double-spent, that would be already bad enough. Now imagine the same happening with either freshly mined blocks or a sidechain settlement -- an incredibly large amount of transactions would suddenly be invalid and a significant amount of economical activity would be lost. It follows that a generous safety margin is prudent.

There might be other reasons as well though. I haven't looked all that deeply into sidechains to be honest.
2263  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Trace transactions with Lightning Network on: April 01, 2018, 09:47:33 AM
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Blockchain should be transparent and be able to register all transactions. If LN allows off-chain small transactions for performance purpose, fine, but how to ensure transparency ?

I disagree with this. Bitcoin should be private and fungible, and Lightning offers significant privacy improvements. It is a plus.

To add to that: Anyone who wants to continue sending transparent Bitcoin transactions can do so by staying on-chain. Anyone who wants to remain private would currently either use a tumbler or not use Bitcoin to begin with. In other words, neither transparency nor privacy can be forced by an outside party, regardless of LN's existence.

Either way, I'd also argue that cryptocurrencies should stay private, where possible. The way I see it the main reason for transaction transparency is to ensure that the money supply is not manipulated. If we can ensure the integrity of Bitcoin's money supply without depending on transparency I see little reason not to do so.
2264  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Have you ever read read the "Bitcoin Academy" from Bitcoin.com ? A real trash on: April 01, 2018, 08:26:54 AM
i stand on neither side of any camp. which was the funny part of many years.. those standing on cores side kept trying to pigeon hole me into "the other camp" .. to me. there should be no camps.. if anything needs to be decided consensus will decide..
but consensus was not used.

as for your first statement.
"By that logic the original Bitcoin ceased to exist as soon as the first people other than Satoshi started contributing."

no. because they were contributing.
funny part is the github now moderated by a single team is not the same codebase as satoshi's sourgeforge codebase. yep satoshi never used github.. but even though satoshi used sourceforge and others used github they all agreed and found compromises to work on the SAME RULES and evolve equally at the same time on the same network.

no altcoin was created because of indicision between the contributors back in satoshi's day. even when there were many codebase sources on many different platforms and many different languages.

but now that many deem only bitcoin core is the 'trusted' source of network protocol rule selection... thats all changed
as soon as the band camp aruments of 'if its not core its not bitcoin' started.. thats when decentralisation died.

Given a large enough project, divisiveness will arise and not always be solvable within the same codebase.

Best case, this is how you get the plethora of alts exploring all kinds of aspects of cryptocurrencies or the variety of linux distros, feeding the need of different people and use cases.

Worst case, this is how you get drama and discord, such as happened during the blocksize debate and BCH vs BTC.

You obviously can't have both big and small blocks, so what BCH did when splitting off was the right thing. Obviously if enough people agree that bigger blocks are the superior scaling solution, BCH will eventually prevail. Just like ETH will overtake if its smart contracts and token economy turns out productive enough or XRP will overtake if people turn out to be idiots prefer centralized solutions after all.

In practice, the market is the decision maker. Be it in market cap or in adoption and usage levels. That's the only consensus that counts when it comes to self-governance in cryptocurrencies.

That being said, while Bitcoin Cash did the right thing by splitting off, what Bitcoin.com does is rather questionable.


take LN.. its not permissionless.. its multisig. you need a counterparty to sign and agree to a payment arrangement.

Obviously you do, that's how trade works. I'm not sure how this makes LN any more permissioned -- in a meaningful way -- than on-chain transactions.
2265  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Have you ever read read the "Bitcoin Academy" from Bitcoin.com ? A real trash on: March 31, 2018, 10:17:52 PM
bitcoin core cannot honestly say that they are the original either..
line for line of code bitcoin core is far from the original 2009-2014 codebase
and bitcoin cash does have more similarity

By that logic the original Bitcoin ceased to exist as soon as the first people other than Satoshi started contributing.


but from the point of view of "the original".. neither are.. the fork split and 2 different codebases of rules were activated
though bcash has more lines similar to the original 2009-2014 codebase.. NEITHER are the original

Bickering about which implementation is closer to the "original" vision is pointless.

Bitcoin is what the community decides it is. At one point in the future it may be a different fork by a different development team. Currently the majority of the community has decided that Bitcoin as implemented by the Bitcoin Core development team is the canonical protocol version.


this is not about defending either. but to be realistic and to make people realise that bitcoin core. although 'distributed' is not decentralised
especially when pretty much every post above would secretly agree that if the code is not released by "team core"(centralised) then its not bitcoin

I personally chose BTC over BCH as the canonical Bitcoin blockchain due to assessing its scaling approach as the more viable one. This has little to do with the development team behind it, although Bitcoin ABC's incompetence in some parts of the development process didn't bode well either -- at least in my book. Other members of the community may have different motivations, of course.

Please expand on what you mean by distributed vs decentralized in terms of software development.


by even having the mindset that anything not core should be treated as an attack and as a future altcoin if it goes against the blockstream roadmap is an admission that bitcoin core is not decentralised.

Bitcoin is just a name. If an alt is viable, it will thrive long term, regardless of whether it's a Bitcoin hardfork, softfork or a different coin altogether.


while group A squabble and group B squabble. neither groups realised what was happening. they were both handing the reigns over to a centralised party because of "trust" "faith" "control"... all the things the bitcoin ethos did not need

the whole bandcamp argument was just smoke and mirrors to actually give a group control.
the whole treat unlimited as the enemy and then use the BScartels subsiduary Bloq to push unlimited out was under subdefuge of saying they are helping the community decide x1 or x2 was all part of the game

 what should have happened was the community refused to enter the camp debate and instead relied on network consensus to unite teams to a compromise. not avoid consensus to hand over control to a single team via altcoin creating

Bitcoin's evolution worked out just as intended. The market decided. No need for trust, faith or control. Just permissionless currencies, competing on the free market. Nothing more, nothing less.


Regardless of where you stand in the blocksize debate and how Bitcoin should govern itself -- Many of the statements made in Bitcoin.com's Bitcoin Academy are simply factually incorrect. And that's what this thread is about.
2266  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Have you ever read read the "Bitcoin Academy" from Bitcoin.com ? A real trash on: March 31, 2018, 08:34:13 PM
lol... oh boy, bias is one thing, boldly spreading misinformation another.

Right after the factually incorrect infographic in the very beginning you already face the next objectively false statement:

Quote from: Bitcoin.com
Bitcoin (BCH) is the original and most popular decentralized digital currency. It’s used by all types of people on every continent.

In which timeline is this the case? Or did Roger Ver hardfork the universe as well? Jesus...

What's next? "Roger Ver is the original and most popular Bitcoiner. He is loved by all types of hodlers in every community."?


I always assumed that claims about Bitcoin.com's propaganda were hyperbole, but oh man was I wrong.
2267  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Pow and Pos. on: March 31, 2018, 07:10:20 PM
The only problem I see right now, is since this would be based on a "staking your funds" in order be selected to verify transactions, this would probably make it an even more centralized system, then POW.

Im not sure about that.
Staking money seems not too much different from buying ASICS + electricity to me.
Big mining farms lead to to 'centralisation', just as masternodes or staking does.

I would argue that PoS leads to more centralization in that you put too much power into the hands of people that already own significant amounts of cryptocurrency. Very reminiscent of the traditional financial system, if it comes down it.

With PoW you might have an overlap between whales and miners, but for the most part they are separate groups within the ecosystem, keeping each other in check. At least in the case of Bitcoin, where most coins have been mined before industrial-grade mining farms became common.


And yes, even if coins get ASIC resistant, people could still gather a lot of GPUs, or create big mining pools, but even doing so it would be less centralized than what we have now with ASIC mining.

Assuming that mining hardware manufacturing becomes more mainstream and widely available (eg. Samsung), ASIC mining might become just as decentralized as GPU mining. I'm not yet holding my breath though.

Either way, I'm not sure if ASIC resistance is actually attainable. Taking Scrypt of Litecoin for example, ASICs may always emerge given a large enough market. However I know next to nothing about the technical limitations of developing ASICs, so some of the currently used PoW schemes may indeed be fully ASIC resistant.
2268  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can We Finally Call This the DEATH of Bitcoin?!? on: March 31, 2018, 05:45:10 PM
If you'll treat BTC like a "get rich fast" scheme, you'll get burned.

Trying to get rich quick is a great way to get poor quick. This is even more true for the likes of Bitcoin. It's almost as if cryptocurrencies are schooling their own speculators. Alts being a prime example. I hope people learned their lessons from all those cancelled flippenings of 2017.
2269  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Google has been charged in Russia. on: March 31, 2018, 02:38:29 PM
Google and Facebook banning ICO-spam from their platforms was the best move for every party involved -- Google and Facebook, would-be investors and the crypto-community as a whole. The only ones losing out are bullshitters trying to ride the blockchain hype train... and nothing of value was lost.

There's enough scams going on in this ecosystem as is.  Any respectable and viable project can very well live without those ads. The only ones truly relying on those ads were the snake-oil sellers and FOMO peddlers that don't have anything meaningful to offer besides vaporware and buzzwords. I hope they got hit where it hurts. Judging from the incoming lawsuits, it seems they did.

Still, I wonder on what basis they presume that any branche is entitled to advertising on Google. They're a private company after all.
2270  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can We Finally Call This the DEATH of Bitcoin?!? on: March 31, 2018, 01:31:27 PM
Bitcoin is not dead until the community disperses and active development has stopped.

If you feel like Bitcoin is dead just because the price has fallen you're no better than any of those people that you "saluted".
2271  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Crypto-Gambling Legality on: March 31, 2018, 08:09:18 AM
It looks like a bad idea no matter how you look at it, as basing it on crypto likely won't matter. It may be better for you to go off shore, but you apparently still can't legally serve US customers. If you're still so intent on creating one though, you should probably consult a proper lawyer.

This.

While crypto makes it easier to run an online casino due to taking banks out of the equation, the legality of the matter is still a bit tricky. The latter being one of the reasons why getting a bank account for a casino may prove difficult in the first place.

So if you're serious about this and intend to stay on the right side of the law -- get a professional. Best case someone who actually specializes in gambling law. You'll probably end up off-shore either way though.
2272  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How is exchange's wallet structure? on: March 31, 2018, 07:36:12 AM
The exchange will control the private key to all of the coins (be it bitcoin, or some other altcoin) on deposit at the exchange along with having ownership of fiat on deposit and they will make an entry in their database once a trade takes place.

Exchanges will generate deposit addresses for each customer for each coin.
How to do that?

Most likely by running the wallet software (or some derivation of it) of each respective cryptocurrency. Then you either use an existing library or write a wrapper yourself to use said wallet software for generating addresses and watching them. In the case of Bitcoin you'd likely have the wrapper access your wallet via its JSON-RPC interface. In the case of alts it would probably look similar.


And how about deals occured in exchange?

Like Quickseller already said: Trades are just entries in a database.

In other words:

1) Your balances are stored in a database on the exchange's servers.
2) Whenever you place an order, this order will also be stored on a database somewhere.
3) The trading engine will do its magic and match buy and asks. If it finds a proper match it executes the order.
4) The state of your order is updated in the database. The state of your balances is updated in the database.

In the case of centralized exchanges, none of the above ever hits a blockchain. Only once you withdraw some of the balances of yours, an on-chain transaction will take place.
2273  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What Bitcoin and other coins need is REAL demand on: March 30, 2018, 06:18:58 PM
There is no need for some magical or killer app, all apps are just fads if there is no real purpose behind it.
What bitcoin needs is daily usage which is hard because the price is volatile because there is not enough usage Cheesy

It's the same dilemma electric cars had.
There were to few charging stations cause there were not enough cars and nobody bought because there were not enough charging stations.

The electric car dilemma is a good example for a chicken / egg style adoption problem.

Still, for better or worse, crypto can harness a power that the electric car can't -- greed.

Regardless of the price right now I'd say that 2017 was quite an advertisement for Bitcoin and crypto in general. Sure, the euphoria of the last few months has subsided but now more people than ever before know about crypto. More companies and projects than ever before are dabbling with blockchains and cryptocurrencies. Most of which will turn out to be bullshit, yes, but there might be diamonds in the rough somewhere in there. It will take a while until these projects come to fruition, but progress is being made.

Bitcoin is its own best advertisement. For both investors and entrepreneurs. The seed for the next wave has been sown.
2274  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Bitcoin Exchanger for tainted Bitcoins - anonymous-btc.com on: March 30, 2018, 12:20:59 PM
He stated:
Who I am and why I do not need to hide:

And yet he's using a very popular face (as his own image) that can be found on the following websites:
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10
Take note: I only listed 10  (it can be found on more websites).

Also the VAT number id on the page (DE528006423) is -- unsurprisingly -- invalid.

Feel free to check yourselves: http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/vies/vieshome.do?locale=en


Also the house numbers on the Lindenstraße in Prenzlau are ordered -- Starting at no. 1 in the south, ending at no. 19 in the north. So no, there's definitely no Lindenstraße 495 in Prenzlau either.


The big advantage for you is: It's a real business, so you don't get in danger to be scammed.

lol

Yep. It's a scam.
2275  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: what can it mean "death cross" to bitcoin? on: March 30, 2018, 09:06:46 AM
Depends on your investment horizon.

If you're thinking short- to mid-term, you might have a problem. If you're thinking long-term or based your investments on the fundamental properties of Bitcoin rather than its price, this shouldn't concern you. Either way, buckle up.

We are undeniably in a bear market right now. The Death Cross confirming it would merely state the obvious.
2276  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Blockchain could be illegal in the European Union. on: March 30, 2018, 08:48:14 AM
It does seem a bit far fetched now. Private companies, which decide to store personal data on a permissioned blockchain, can actually alter the blockchain by forking it, as long as all the nodes agree. In case of a court order, there should be no problem in that.

Which is precisely why the usefullness of private, permissioned blockchains is questionable. In the end they lose all the worthwhile properties of a blockchain -- including, effectively, immutability -- leading the concept of blockchains ad absurdum.

The upcoming data directive of the EU is merely yet another reminder why it makes no sense to try cramming blockchains all over the place. The blockchain use cases that "got lost" due to the upcoming EU directive were likely never viable in the first place.


I doubt if any company would be storing personal data (in its raw form) on a  permissionless blockchain.

Would make for an interesting legal case though. Say you're a company that offers the service to store your personal data on a public, permissionless blockchain by offering a simplified user interface for the likes of OP_RETURN. Who has the legal responsibility over the data? The consumer that made use of the service or the service provider?


If you put the hash of personal data on the blockchain, I think it still might be acceptable and not in violation of EU laws.

Exactly.

2277  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Blockchain could be illegal in the European Union. on: March 29, 2018, 11:26:40 AM
Which companies in this space actually do store personal data on a blockchain?

The use of blockchain does not require the provision of personal data.

That’s beyond my knowledge but the article mentions blockchain on contracts:

https://medium.com/crypto-currently/build-your-first-smart-contract-fc36a8ff50ca

land registries:

http://www.osborneclarke.com/insights/blockchain-and-land-registries-records-of-the-future/

and identity management:

https://www.ibm.com/blockchain/identity/

Storing personal data is not a prerequisite for smart contracts. The large majority of currently active smart contracts are working without the usage of personal data.

Land registries can decouple personal data from the property transactions to be stored on a blockchain.

Heck, even a digital identity can be established without storing personal data. Obviously not what IBM is striving for though.


2278  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Blockchain could be illegal in the European Union. on: March 29, 2018, 08:29:02 AM
EU new regulation on data, which will come into effect in May is based on “The right to be forgotten”, i.e. the right to demand that personal data is modified of deleted. On the other hand, data on blockchains is unchangeable in practice. It is one of its main characteristics, which makes it so reliable.

Many companies have been developing blockchain-related projects, but as sanctions on the new law will be up to €20 million it is expected that those companies abandon such projects.

Which companies in this space actually do store personal data on a blockchain? Transactional data is not affected by this directive, which is what blockchains usually consist of. Transactional data can usually be decoupled from personally identifiable data.

Besides, it seems to only affect private, permissioned blockchains, which to me still looks more like snakeoil rather than a viable use case.

It does affect the handling of KYC/AML though. ICOs operating in the EU will need to be able to comply with this directive.
2279  Economy / Economics / Re: Creation of Money: Economist Vs Technologist on: March 28, 2018, 06:40:51 PM
It has always been known that bankers n economist are the ones who create money in an economy.  
But with the advancements in technology we are seeing a new way of money creation.
Considering the different ICOs launched daily,  one does see that they are creating money everyday. The world is shifting from a global village to a global house.

You are confusing creation of money with creation of assets / wealth. ICOs sell digital assets to investors. The developers are selling some of their assets to investors. When the price of these assets increases, wealth is created.

Pretty close, but not quite.

Wealth is not created when the price of a security (stock, ICO token, whatever) increases. Wealth is created when these companies use the money provided to them by investors to create actual products, may they be physical or a service. Until that happens it's just debt that gets shifted between speculators.


But with the advancements in technology we are seeing a new way of wealth creation.

Advancements in technology have been the new way of wealth creation since the industrial revolution.
2280  Economy / Economics / Re: Is Bitcoin fair for those who buy for the first time now? on: March 28, 2018, 06:31:54 PM
As an economist, I worry about a lot of issues related to economies in this world.
Bitcoin is surely a revolution, but I worry that it is highly unfair for the older generations and the people who join Bitcoin in later periods.

Is it fair that the older generations are holding most of the real estate, forcing the younger generation into a modern form of serfdom?

Is it fair that wealth begets wealth and that income through labor is much more heavily taxed than capital income?

Is it fair that the younger generation has a much smaller chance of aggregating wealth due to the fact that income levels have not even remotely kept up with the purchasing power of fiat currencies over the last few decades?

People investing into new and unproven companies, industries and technologies take high risks. Naturally they expect high rewards. It not always pays off, but when it does, even those that failed to invest usually simply accept it. I've never heard anyone complain about how investing in Microsoft, Apple or Google in their early days was unfair. Something that has always been well in reach for older generations. And for the most part of modern history, investing in stocks was much more difficult for the layment than investing in crypto is today.


Most people in the world do not hold Bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency. If they started buying it, prices would soar and there would be a huge purchasing power transfer from those who got later in to those who got in earlier. For these people, staying in Fiat currency will be the best option.

No one is forcing anyone to invest. Those that invested early, took the highest risk. Those that will use cryptocurrencies once adoption is high and risk is low (should that ever be the case), will profit from improved economic freedom caused by less friction in international remittance and trade.


Also, there is the issue of scalability and of the timeframe of existance of Bitcoin.
Isn't it better to jump try an ICO? And following this reasoning why invest in an ICO now when something better may come later?

If you find a viable ICO, sure, by all means, go for it. I'm sure as an economist you are well aware of the failure rate of startups and how to asses and mitigate these risks accordingly.


I think many of the discussions about cryptocurrencies leave out those of our society who have less access to information and new technologies.

Do they? There's been a lot of talk about how cryptocurrencies could help economies in developing countries. Banking the unbanked is a prevalent topic. Supporting citizens of nations suffering from hyperinflation and questionable monetary policies is another.


As an economist you should know that the market price is always the 'fair' price.

Grin
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