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1361  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: How to accept BTC directly and integrate into an e-commerce site? on: June 13, 2019, 11:23:51 AM
There's also these webshop plugins by blockonomics:

https://www.blockonomics.co/merchants#/page1

I haven't used them myself so far, but this approach seems to be the middle ground between writing your own implementation and relying on a third party exchange. You'll have to look into the details yourself, but from what I've gathered you have full control over your own keys with them earning money via prepaid payment fees.
1362  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Development for Bitcoin to reduce CO2 footprint on: June 11, 2019, 03:44:12 PM
More efficient miners only lead to an increase in hashrate, not to a decrease in power consumption. That is, if for example the cost of running mining hardware just got cut in half, a mining operation will simply double their hardware in an attempt to double their profits.

not exactly true.
october 2018 proved the opposite of your assumptions.

[...]

Only if you ignore that the drop in hashrate was preceded by almost a year of bear market. That the hashrate would plateau and then drop until the market recovers is hardly a surprise.

I'm not saying that your theory doesn't have its merit, but it also doesn't quite hold when looking at the surrounding factors.


Additional point is in this CO2 consumtion on HASH rate, even the I dont know how much Bitcoin Full node are not included.

Power consumption of non-mining full node should be negligible as the computational requirement of full nodes does not exceed most consumer PCs [1] and there are currently only about 10,000 public nodes [2] on the network.

[1] https://bitcoin.org/en/full-node#minimum-requirements
[2] https://bitnodes.earn.com/


And thats one of the main points to understand. With the right consensus algo you can running coin with only this full nodes.

Oh definitely. But which consensus algorithm would that be, that's the Gretchenfrage, isn't it? Wink So far attempts at answering this question have been less than impressive.


Its not so easy with green power. Germany tries hard but there are big obstacles

Definitely not easy, but necessary. I'm a bit surprised though about the deforestation issue, most windmills I saw in Germany are in open fields (ie. crop areas).

In general most of Europe appears to be doing well on the renewable energy front anyway, unlike some of the other major economic forces out there (I'm looking at you U S of A, you guys would have a lot of space for photovoltaics and wind power; just sayin').



1363  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Development for Bitcoin to reduce CO2 footprint on: June 10, 2019, 05:49:11 PM
Maybe we will need new miners who have more power for mining and reduced energy needed to work. [...]

More efficient miners only lead to an increase in hashrate, not to a decrease in power consumption. That is, if for example the cost of running mining hardware just got cut in half, a mining operation will simply double their hardware in an attempt to double their profits.
1364  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Development for Bitcoin to reduce CO2 footprint on: June 06, 2019, 01:17:41 PM
One possible way to reduce emissions is to slow down the process by accumulating more transactions per block (the file where data is recorded). But this would reduce the very speed and efficiency that has made bitcoin so successful.

Not really.

Mining uses the same amount of energy regardless of there being 10 transactions or 10 million transactions per block. Miners spend as much on electricity as they can while still turning a profit. Accordingly the amount of money miners can spend on electricity mostly depends on the block reward, transaction fees and crypto-to-fiat exchange rate (other factors being infrastructure and hardware acquisition costs).

So one way to lessen the CO2 footprint of a PoW-based cryptocurrency is to shorten its currency emission timeframe, similar to Monero's. Making larger blocks unfortunately is not.
1365  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Development for Bitcoin to reduce CO2 footprint on: June 04, 2019, 09:09:45 AM
And as I said before you also point out its not a working payment system at the moment.

I'm not saying that Bitcoin is not a working payment system at the moment, because it is, despite it's scaling probles. I'm saying Bitcoin is not yet able to fully replace existing payment systems -- assuming you want to reduce Bitcoin to a mere payment system (ie. there's also the matter of store of value, financial sovereignty and maybe at one point a useful token / smart contract economy).

In the end it breaks to whether we deem 1) cryptocurrencies a worthy endeavour and 2) PoS and other PoW-free consensus algorithms viable security models.

Regarding the first point, reclaiming individual financial sovereignity and possibly replacing existing, more energy and especially labour intensive financial infrastructure seem worth it. Just imagine the amount of human resources one could free up by automating a large part of the financial industry. At least financial service workers will have a better chance at finding new jobs than most of the manual workers one can expect to be automated away in the coming decades.

Regarding the second point I have simply yet to see a consensus algorithm other than PoW work in practice. Crypto's history is full of failed PoS attempts and most other consensus algorithms are either permissioned or require trust.

That's just my 2 sats though.


I've heard that googling something requires the same ammount of heating water for tee 3 times.

average kettle is 1200watt/h = 20watt a minute
average gaming computer 600watt/h = 10watt a minute

if a kettle takes 1 minute to boil (depending on how much water your boiling) you would have to google for 6 minutes to match

Thanks for doing the math Grin

I think people tend to underestimate the amount of energy required for water to reach boiling point.
1366  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Development for Bitcoin to reduce CO2 footprint on: June 03, 2019, 02:55:03 PM
Disclaimer: I'm a PoW hardliner who's not convinced of PoS and its derivatives (at least those that I'm aware of)

I'm under the impression that whenever the power consumption of PoW gets brought up that one factor is largely ignored: Grid energy storage.

Maybe the hard facts will betray me once a comprehensive studies comes out (so far most studies I found regarding the power usage of PoW were on shaky grounds at best, link me up if you have something interesting), however so far I'm under the impression that economic forces lead to PoW mining using energy that mostly goes beyond what can be stored in the power grid and would therefore get wasted for the most part.

That is, based on the assumptions that
1) miners are driven towards places with the lowest energy cost,
2) energy is the cheapest where there's a surplus of electricity and
3) current energy storage capabilities are very much lacking
we can come to the conclusion that the additional power consumed by miners is energy that is otherwise wasted. Unlike consumers and most industries that have other economic factors at play (eg. you can only drill for oil where there is oil, you can only produce commodities where resources are either nearby or cheaply delivered) electricity is almost the sole concern for mining operations.

But like I said, the hard facts may betray me, so hopefully at one point a proper study will take place proving the above either false or correct. Also I'm neither an economist nor a grid engineer, so for all I know my assumptions could be utterly void.

That being said, I would very much love to see an increase of Bitcoin's transaction throughput as to make it actually feasible to phase out some of the legacy banking system in favor of cryptocurrencies (ie. IMHO Bitcoin's PoW wouldn't feel like that much of a waste if it were to successfully supersede parts of the existing system rather than running redundantly alongside it).
1367  Economy / Gambling / Re: SafeDICE.com ★ Bitcoin Dice ★ Monero ★ 0.5% Edge ★ Fast Cashout ★ Since 2014 on: May 30, 2019, 07:25:18 AM
Interestingly enough, some cold storage funds moved on May 4, 2019.  Still ~75BTC left in the cold storage so it doesn't seem to be a hack of some sort, but it didn't go to the hot wallet either.
the site works, i think someone comes in once in a long while to load hotwallet. but the way everything is happening makes me so suspicious.

I think it's been mentioned by other people in this thread, but so far it seems like the only ones filling the hot wallet are other players depositing coins. So the last ones do deposit will end up with their coins stuck.

And that's just BTC. XMR and BCH withdrawals haven't been working since their respective hard forks, so unless admin returns those funds are stuck for good.
1368  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Roger Vs. Craig: The Fight of the Century? on: May 29, 2019, 01:08:34 PM
I'm slowly getting tired of hearing from those two. But good for us, I guess. The more time they waste squabbling, the less time they have for interfering with Bitcoin. They can have their coins, we have ours, everybody wins.
1369  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: Samsung S10 crypto wallet on: May 29, 2019, 12:21:57 PM
How could be it secured? I'm just ask if Samsung brand produced by korea could be invulnerable to the hackers but it seems it's a great steps on some big company on trust to bitcoin and i hope others big company could create something bigger on that idea.

It seems like their in-built wallet makes use of a system they call Samsung Knox [1], which secures private keys by managing application privileges [2] and ensuring the integrity of said application privileges by verifying the boot process on the hardware level [3]. So to my understanding while private keys are probably encrypted they are not stored in a secure hardware element as is the case with common hardware wallets such as the Trezor or Ledger. Samsung Knox's track record is not exactly splendid [4][5] but I guess we'll see in the next few months whether they have brought their shit together.

[1] https://www.coindesk.com/samsung-galaxy-s10-includes-private-crypto-key-storage
[2] https://developer.samsung.com/tech-insights/pay/device-side-security
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Knox
[4] https://blog.securegroup.com/why-samsung-knox-hardly-has-anything-to-do-with-security
[5] https://www.tomsguide.com/us/samsung-knox-lock-hack,news-30062.html
1370  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] ChipMixer.com - Bitcoin mixer / Bitcoin tumbler - mixing reinvented on: May 29, 2019, 08:34:36 AM
According to bitblender.io's Tor website they are shutting down as well. Looks like we have another wave of closures at our hands. A sad day for privacy.
1371  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: About lost bitcoins on: May 27, 2019, 01:46:11 PM
The 9000 BTC have never left the address to this date  Shocked

By any chance, do you find weakness on random function on Bitcoin-Qt in 2010"

"Just asking for a friend" Grin

On a more serious note, if more than USD 70MM worth of cryptocurrency just lying around the blockchain unguarded isn't proof of Bitcoin's security model than I don't know what is.


Hi teknonix I had a situation similar as I lost about 2 to 5,000 btc but I still have my wallet file. Is there anyway you can help me get my bitcoin back. I can give you tip . Please say.

To you and any other newcomer reading this:

Do not share your wallet file with strangers. That's how you get your coins stolen.

@OP: If you have found a way to retrieve lost coins that may be helpful to others, please post it publicly so that other users can be helped as well.
1372  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: On Bitcoin and externality costs on: May 27, 2019, 12:26:46 PM
Also I would suggest shardcoiners to start mining with block reward 50 so all empty talkers here would pay the price for their intellectual indolence.

The size of the block reward is irrelevant when the coin itself is worth nothing in fiat terms ie. purchasing power. Miners can't pay their running costs and hardware based on the arbitrary number that is the size of the block reward.

The only reason why the upcoming difference in block reward between BTC and BCH / BSV is relevant at all is because we're looking at running systems sharing the same mining resources with a somewhat stable equilibrium that will soon be broken. For all we know BCH / BSV might as well manage to offset their premature halvening by doubling their value relative to BTC.

Regardless of that I'm looking forward to see the first coin apply sharding to cryptocurrencies. Be it Ethereum, be it a Bitcoin fork or be it something else entirely. I personally doubt that blockchain sharding is the scaling solution that some people make it out to be, but the worst case that can happen is a learning experience for all.
1373  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] ChipMixer.com - Bitcoin mixer / Bitcoin tumbler - mixing reinvented on: May 23, 2019, 10:28:55 PM
There is no KYC when using Bitcoin ATMs in Poland. An ATM knows only the receiving and the desination address, and the amount of coins obviously. Surprisingly, online services are forced to do KYC if a certain threshold is reached.

Interesting to hear, let's see how long it stays that way.

Austria and Germany appear to be a bit more strict in this regard (or maybe the respective companies are just more conservative and careful in their approach).


So europol probably has some idea of who the owners are, but at the same time admit to not having the evidence to indict/search for them?  

"As they attempt to determine...<...>"
Pffrt. that really is an awkward way to put a company out of business like that.

Hah, that's law enforcement in legal grey areas for you.

Well connected company with political ties: "their actions may be unconventional but it's technically legal so there's nothing we can do"

Some rando business: "seize everything just to be safe"

1374  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] ChipMixer.com - Bitcoin mixer / Bitcoin tumbler - mixing reinvented on: May 23, 2019, 02:52:03 PM
[...] I wonder why they still haven't done anything to Bitcoin ATMs.

Are there anonymous Bitcoin ATMs? IIRC pretty much all ATM providers both in the Americas and in Europe follow KYC procedures of some sort. At least I'm not aware of any that don't. Granted, the effectiveness of said KYC procedures may vary, but at least there are some in place.

Also I remember a thread by a Bitcointalk member that operates (or used to operate) Bitcoin ATMs in the Netherlands ranting about strict regulations and questionable interference by law enforcement so it does seem like Bitcoin ATM operators need to tread carefully.


If it were me I'd shut up shop. Or at the very least go camping in the woods and see if there are any actual charges brought from this. I can't see any mention of anyone being charged for anything yet.

no arrests at all. the media reports make it sound like they don't even know or understand the extent of money laundering being done. like AdolfinWolf said, "shoot first ask questions later".

As it stands they don't know (yet) who ran the service, right? Or did I miss this in the reports? So far it seems like they only got the servers.
1375  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: On Bitcoin and externality costs on: May 21, 2019, 11:45:53 AM
You wait until Bitcoin Cash ABC and SV's next halvings. How would their networks subsidize miners if their developers designed them for 0 - low fees?

They will have no other path to go, except to copy Bitcoin's model in my opinion.

With BCH currently mining at merely 5% of Bitcoin's hashrate [1] they already have a problem with subsidizing miners and keeping the network safe as is, no halving needed. It's definitely going to be interesting to see what happens after BCH's and BSV's first halving regardless.

[1] https://fork.lol/pow/hashrate
1376  Economy / Speculation / Re: *Q2-BTC-PRCE PREDICTION-GAME* Q2 LIST GAME on: May 21, 2019, 11:06:44 AM
I know I'm not in the official list of participants for this run but i see  my previous 6370$ prediction to be ready close to the reality. The unstable market in the last few days can really turn downhill sometime in the upcoming weeks.

Or it might surprise you and slam through those 5-digit numbers........

...or it could also just move sideways for the next few weeks. Because sometimes the surprise is... that there's no surprise.
1377  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: BTC halving and hash power on: May 20, 2019, 02:18:39 PM
Doubling price is not at all realistic solution because rewards are ultimately going to become zero in next century.

By logic of doubling prices , In next 40 years ,BTC should cost more than 7 million USD per BTC. I just wish if it can be true.

The block subsidy becomes less relevant with each halving, as it slowly phases out in favour of mining fees. About 4 halvings from now (ie. in about 16 years) we're looking at a block subsidy of 0.78125 BTC which is less than the transaction fees per block during peak times. 2-3 more halvings after that and we're at a block subsidy that roughly equals current transaction fees during calm times.

Regardless of that Bitcoin's price doesn't matter all that much for network security as long as Bitcoin remains the largest coin by the fiat equivalent of block subsidy + transaction fee within its PoW scheme family (ie. as long as Bitcoin is able to sustain more SHA256 miners than alts that share its PoW).
1378  Economy / Economics / Re: MICROSOFT WANTS TO "PROTECT" YOUR IDENTITY WITH BITCOIN on: May 16, 2019, 12:25:08 PM
I think the only way to know if a system like the one MSFT is proposing were truly reliable is if the code were open sourced. Yet we know microsoft trends heavily towards proprietary code end users are not allowed to audit. And so, perhaps this news story raises far more questions than it presumably can answer.

The Microsoft of today is not the one we had in the 90s. They have become incredibly open and much more open source friendly during the last decade. Just check their GitHub:

https://github.com/Microsoft

TypeScript is a boon for every web developer and while I personally don't use it, vscode is a pretty awesome IDE.

Either way, it doesn't seem like we have yet enough information to judge on what path MS is taking here. But their planned usage of Bitcoin and IPFS is a hopeful signal. At least they are not on the forefront of permissioned blockchains (looking at you, IBM), even although their offer of running a private Ethereum instance on Azure is (was?) rather silly.
1379  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: PoW Algorithms on: May 16, 2019, 09:49:11 AM
Here's a list of cryptographic hashes that are currently employed by various PoW coins:

https://en.bitcoinwiki.org/wiki/Mining_algorithms

This list is far from complete and to be honest I'm not even sure how current it is, but it should serve as a good starting point.

In general any cryptographic hash function can serve as the basis for a PoW scheme, however not all may be equally suitable. Additionally some coins cycle through cryptographic hash functions (if my memory serves me right, may also have just been a concept) and some coins shift between cryptographic hash functions depending on their emission lifecycle (eg. Grin will be shifting from CuckARoo to CuckAToo [1]).

[1] https://github.com/mimblewimble/docs/wiki/how-to-mine-grin
1380  Economy / Gambling / Re: SafeDICE.com ★ Bitcoin Dice ★ Monero ★ 0.5% Edge ★ Fast Cashout ★ Since 2014 on: May 15, 2019, 08:38:45 AM
Interestingly enough, some cold storage funds moved on May 4, 2019.  Still ~75BTC left in the cold storage so it doesn't seem to be a hack of some sort, but it didn't go to the hot wallet either.

That is indeed pretty weird. Maybe admin is borrowing money for their defense attorney? >_>


So it's not the best site for me, before I can consider this, but time changes and their support is not as good as before.

"not as good as before" is an interesting way to put it.

Their support is gone, with the exception of the coin movement mentioned by DarkStar above there hasn't been a sign of life for months now. As it stands your only way to get Bitcoin out is by some other unlucky soul unsuspectingly depositing coins in SafeDice's hot wallet. And probably sooner rather than later the account funds for either their domain or their server will run out and the site will go offline for good.

I'm sad to see SafeDice go, but at this point everyone should simply stay away.
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