I don't have any posting target to reach, I'm not signed up to some shitty sig campaign like you are.

Yeah, ponzi, ponzi, ponzi: hyip means jack shit, it was just a term made up by scammers to make their schemes sound respectable.

No, not everyone is as clever, adult and worldly wise as you are, and just knows that everybody lies all the time and that when some says they are cloudmining, what they mean is that they are not cloudmining..

Also, this forum reaches far beyond the kids and thieves that frequent it: threads like these reach high Google rank and help to stop people from being stolen from by organized crime. Is that ok with you?

Bizarre behaviour from OP, he is now actively promoting and referring noobs to this scam in the cesspool, Investor-based Games.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1336844.

Reading between the lines, he got Bit knocked after making a promo vid for the scammers and after a row they paid him out in some contract value, so he's trying to get his money by helping them rip others off.

LOL, last resort of the failed scammer's boy, personal insults.


Doubt it somehow.

I just had a browse thru your history, to see what other stunning investments you have made/shilled for.
You seem to have changed your mind in the last 48 hours rather dramatically about the BitKnockers, since you posted in "Scam Accusations" under the title


..... (my bolds and format)





Yeah, now you just try to sell them to other people.

You invest put your money into anything you like, but when you go looking for referral commission you're actively assisting the scam as well.


There are no "mining payouts".


If you are good at getting customers, so is drug dealing.

Bitknock....
It's got an apt name too, "knock" is English slang for stealing.

This is obviously not mining, not even an attempt at proving that.
It's a ponzi with an MLM attached, which means that referrers are actually "conspiring" with the admin to rip people off, sharing in later deposits which will vanish when the scheme fails.
If stealing from other people is your bag, carry on, but save the pretense that it is anyway legit.

A farm is easily affordable, bought or leased, and their pool stats include third parties pointing at them cos they're free of fees.
They have a large amount of money coming in thanks to their MLM foot soldiers.
They're all over the place, social media, webinars etc. hard selling BCN as a way into Bitcoin for the masses, playing the Mavrodi card that banks are corrupt, the system's finished etc. etc.
Millions of dollars are being collected and shared out between the "founders" from their downlines. A rough estimate is that MLM referral commissions take ~30% of gross revenue straight off the top, increasing exponentially as the scheme ages and new deposits decline.

The scam part is the inability to meet future dividend commitments because they've shared the deposits from investors amongst themselves in this way.
A.k.a a Ponzi.
 

I'm not interested in buying your account, but a question if I may.
Are its posts in English?
If not, it would be rather obvious that it had been sold, if bought by someone other than a user of the language it has been posting in, would it not?

Edit: Ok, from the other thread...looks like it would be "mangled English"

I've been thinking about this for a while now.
I'm not talking about paid for posting, as in signature campaigns.
I'm referring to posting in or starting a topic in a certain way, because a third party pays you, to promote a particular POV or subject in the way they dictate, whilst you pretend to be posting voluntarily.
Paid for proxy posting, I guess.
I've come across it a fair bit on BCT. Invariably the third party paying for the posts has a scammy reason, basically because no one would say what they want to have said of their own free will.
It was quite common during the Cloudthink saga and I left negative trust for the mouthpieces and the script writer, on the basis that anyone who will put their name to anything simply for money is potentially highly untrustworthy to deal with and impossible to believe.
The mods deleted one or two of those posts iirc, but the paid-to-post aspect was obvious and exploited mainly off BCT, although organized on it.

Then again more recently, the MMM Global scam has been making it a condition of qualifying for 100% per month interest (!) that members perform certain internet tasks, one of which is to post favorably in social media etc.
These tend to be mainly poor english one liners "Mavrodi is Marvellous" but there are some with 'content': I report them as paid-to-post spam and the mods delete them.

Two recent examples made me open this thread:
Whilst rifling thru the trash a.k.a. browsing "Investor Based Games", I was reading about Ore-Mine's collapse and came across this post


and just marked it down as an ambulance chaser, but then had a look at Flexybit's giveaway thread. JavaLove is there, claiming his payment for posting


a 'friendly and positive' post, which Flexybit confirm they pay to be posted on BitcoinTalk


The second recent one is the MakeBelieve/suchmoon drama referred to here in Meta
I have no view on this and if I did, various knife sharpeners would be climbing all over me as a shill etc. because of the bit of + trust I have, so I'm not going there and it isn't the point of this thread.
The aspect of it that is relevant here is where pay-per-post is being offered to post something which would not normally be posted by that person, as in this related topic

So, a two part question really
1) Is a post made solely for payment to specifically push a POV or service acceptable, or is it reportable for deletion?
2) As some have already been deleted and some not, where is the dividing line between acceptable and unacceptable?

Thanks.
 

What a surprise, humane tho, someone put it out of its misery at last.

No, he's not running Flexybit, but he's posting that shit because Flexybit are paying him 0.001 btc to do so, as part of their paid-to-post campaign on HYIP sites.
As you say, classy....

I made my feelings clear with the qualified positive trust that I left for Gladimor after actually reading his trading proposal and approach. I know my trust has no weight but I felt it is important to make the point that knee jerk condemning every single investment scheme on here as a scam becomes counter productive in the end.
I trade derivatives irl and know that the returns that Delta/Gladimor offered are achievable by a trader who understands his market and risk/reward.

The poor joke here is that Vod was 'dared' to leave him negative trust by someone that he had already red tagged. I'd bet, however, that Vod is unlikely to remove the rating because that would mean admitting that not every scheme offering high returns (and unfortunately describing itself as a HYIP, with the negative connotations that that, quite rightly, holds) is a ponzi or a scam.

Summary:
Gladimor outlined a trading scheme, took investors money, provided the projected profits and closed the scheme owing no-one anything after giving notice that he would be doing that.
He doesn't deserve to carry negative trust for that indefinitely and I hope Vod will reconsider.


Give it up, you're like a tape loop.

And at least 120% coverage.
You got a domain worth 7.2BTC?

Sell your gold to finance yourself.
Very few loans are made on here with collateral other than digital.
You are wasting your time and your throwaway account is likely to get red inked.

Anyone who doesn't agree with you is always
as your tiresome history of supporting every crap ripoff "cloudminer" ever pumped on here bears witness to, then shooting the messengers who told you they were in the first place. 

And just to confirm your lack of judgement, re: the Clinton mafia, I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire.
 

That would be how you found it then.

Why don't you fuck off back to opining bullshit politics, your input on cloud mining is not missed.

Not that I care, but I've always thought that ^^^^^ was a crappy photoshop, amirite?

What is there to see?



The "angle" is simple, a few P/hs either bought or leased in mining capacity, then hugely oversold by high pressure marketing to greedy/gullible/stupid people thru an aggressive MLM structure and its parasitical downline.
BCN is a ponzi, in as far as it meets the classic definition: an enterprise that pays more out than it earns by using new investors money to meet old obligations.

That's the "angle", pure fraud.
Credit cards, ATM's etc. etc. are irrelevancies, just a bit of bling to dazzle the suckers, as you say, to add credibility.
 
As soon as the thousands of suckers are locked in with repayment of their "mining investment" completely at the discretion of BCN (now), the promoters and their MLM foot soldiers cram their snouts in the trough and start changing the rules. The 'investors' will be pressured more and more to reinvest their dividends into more and more shares, or accept Clubcoin in place of (relatively) real repayments in BTC.

Then one day, hey presto, it will be gone and the circus will move on to the next scam.

Their size as a pool is meaningless because it's a gross figure including 3rd parties, attracted by the zero fees deal and wanted by BCN so their shills can send impressive "We are the 2%" type bulletins out to their downlines.


This is one of the more obvious bare faced lies in their last "news", as a quick look at their pool will show how it is dominated by 3rd parties, the % allocated to rewarding their "investors" declines all the time.



Compare today's ratio (above) of non BCN investor mining (16 to 1!) to that only just over four months ago
The main 3rd party miner then was known as "holyscott" with a couple of accounts. Remember BCN makes absolutely nothing in direct profit from accounts like this.
AAMOI, "holyscott" is http://holybitcoin.com/, a large US retailer of pre-owned mining hardware who obviously doesn't like to see machines sat on shelves doing nothing (and quite right too).

I can't help you with a vouch, as I wouldn't personally give them a satoshi.
Do you want to know are they legit, or will they pay you a few times, maybe even roi (get your money back)?
There is a difference.

Their headquarters address doesn't seem to have a building to match, and pictures of the people that they claimed worked in it were taken from a completely different company, then removed completely.
They claim 278,492 people have joined their scheme.
278,492 'clients', that's a lot. (3x Genesis for example).
Then you search the net for them and there's virtually nothing. Do you not find that strange?

But hey, some anon on here says they paid him, so must be legit.
 


Having had a quick look at your brief posting/investment history, this is a kiss of death.

Off on vacation  for a couple of weeks so I don't have the time to go thru that shit ^^^ and point out the many obvious contradictions, lies and distortions in it.
Basically, the meaningless "adjustment" from 1000 days of dust to 600 days of dust is a time worn tactic to increase reinvestment levels for existing Kool Aid drinkers and FOMO panic waverers to get with the program, as JR makes clear in his unsubtle way here