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2281  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][BURST] Burst | Efficient HDD Mining | New 1.2.2 Automated Transactions on: February 20, 2015, 07:50:10 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=962409.0

(my attempt at gaining some awareness of what AT is providing)
2282  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: How to do a Crowfund app with only 28 lines of code... on: February 20, 2015, 07:45:01 PM
You code in assembly?, yikes. Do you also speak ancient Chinese?

I do speak Mandarin (which is actually harder than ancient Chinese btw).

Cheesy

But seriously the point is that nodes do *zero* work (after initialisation which is only two steps) running that AT until the deadline is reached and then only execute a part of those 25 steps (depending upon whether the funding target was reached or not) per tx (so it is *super efficient* meaning that it can scale up hugely).
2283  Economy / Service Discussion / How to do a Crowfund app with only 28 lines of code... on: February 20, 2015, 07:38:00 PM
The Crowdfund AT created by CIYAM Developers (and now running on Burst) is only 28 lines of assembly code (3 of which are actually effectively "labels" so only 25 code steps).

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=949438.msg10522786#msg10522786

When people question about "why don't you build a high level language" I would say - when you have something as efficient as this then why rush to make it "less efficient"?

(and after initialisation it actually requires *zero* processing from all nodes until the "decision block" is reached - so arguably the most cost effective crowdfunding platform in the world and is available for anyone to use "commission free" right now)
2284  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: CNN Inside Man bitcoin episode review! Share your opinions! on: February 20, 2015, 05:16:50 PM
Although not a fan of the presenter I think it was actually one of the best shows I have seen about Bitcoin (that doesn't come across as being created by "fan boys").

I particularly thought it was great that he bought a fake Rolex using Silk Road 2.0 with the help of an (ex?) FBI agent.
2285  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: CIYAM - Project Plan Outline on: February 20, 2015, 05:01:04 PM
One thing that I have perhaps neglected to spend much time promoting is the CIYAM Safe (https://susestudio.com/a/kp8B3G/ciyam-safe) which is a 100% air-gapped (using QR codes and cams) method of signing Bitcoin txs *offline* (if the exchanges that were recently hacked had of been using that then they should still have their cold wallet funds safely stored).

It combines Bitcoin with GPG (along with Scrypt for password hardening) to provide arguably the safest offline storage system for Bitcoin.

Unlike Armory and other "wallets" it doesn't try to be super user friendly or handle txs with a large number of UTXO's but instead focuses on the concept that when you have cold storage you are really "locking up" Bitcoin in specific amounts (say 10 BTC per address) for later retrieval (it was used to hold 250 BTC on behalf of this forum for around a year).

It has been used by CIYAM Open since 2012 and no BTC has gone missing using it.

If you used it with a Faraday cage that allows for cams (and that tech does exist) then you have zero concern of things like NSA injected firmware attacks (recently shown to be an issue with HDDs from many leading manufacturers). Although no-one has shown whether the same sort of attacks can be done with USB I think anyone storing a large amount of BTC offline might want to consider the benefit of using QR comms vs. trusting that their USB device isn't going to end up causing them to lose their offline BTC.
2286  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Can someone tell me which is the most secure of the offline wallets? on: February 20, 2015, 03:52:35 PM
Luckily simple Bitcoin txs are actually quite small so the cam doesn't even need to be that good (I used one from the 90's for initial testing and it worked fine - it only struggled with GPG keys as they are much bigger - which is why I split the encrypted GPG private key into two QR codes).

CIYAM Safe uses GPG so that you can also safely "back up" your offline private keys (using QR codes of course).
2287  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Can someone tell me which is the most secure of the offline wallets? on: February 20, 2015, 03:15:01 PM
That's good but what if there is no cam?

You can add a cam (without comprising the security assuming once you have plugged the cam into the offline computer you never plug it into an online computer again) or am I missing something that you are implying?

Understand that even if the cams are infected with whatever it can't compromise the QR code comms (apart from just make them invalid).

There is no *code* in the QR code comms (i.e. data only).

For the cam itself to be able to somehow compromise the offline CIYAM Safe then it would have to had to have code specifically written to do that (so perhaps buy a cam that is older than 2012 if really paranoid).
2288  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Can someone tell me which is the most secure of the offline wallets? on: February 20, 2015, 02:48:10 PM
Although not a "wallet" as such the CIYAM Safe (https://susestudio.com/a/kp8B3G/ciyam-safe) is arguably the most secure way to do offline tx signing as it uses QR codes and cams for communications only (the latest revelations about the NSA and firmware with HDDs might have you wondering whether you really want to be plugging in a USB device from your online computer into your offline computer).
2289  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Understanding the Automated Transaction system (AT) on: February 20, 2015, 01:49:43 PM
So let's take a look at the assembly code for our Crowdfund AT:

Code:
FUN @block_height get_Block_Timestamp
SLP $decision
FUN @amount get_Current_Balance
BGE $amount $target_amount :funded
FUN @timestamp get_Creation_Timestamp
refund_loop:
FUN A_to_Tx_after_Timestamp $timestamp
FUN @tx_info check_A_Is_Zero
BZR $tx_info :end_loop
FUN @tx_amount get_Amount_for_Tx_in_A
FUN @timestamp get_Timestamp_for_Tx_in_A
FUN B_to_Address_of_Tx_in_A
SET @funded #0000000000000002
FUN send_to_Address_in_B $tx_amount
JMP :refund_loop
funded:
SET @funded #0000000000000001
FUN B_to_Address_of_Creator
FUN send_All_to_Address_in_B
FUN @timestamp get_Last_Block_Timestamp
end_loop:
FUN A_to_Tx_after_Timestamp $timestamp
FUN @tx_info check_A_Is_Zero
BZR $tx_info :end_loop
FUN @timestamp get_Timestamp_for_Tx_in_A
FUN B_to_Address_of_Creator
FUN send_All_to_Address_in_B
JMP :end_loop

Only 28 lines (25 of which are actual steps and 3 of which are "labels").

So amazingly enough we have built a crowdfunding system that requires only 25 steps of code!

And one of the key things that makes this use case "so efficient" can be found in the first two lines of assembly (which are the first two steps executed after the AT has been created and funds are sent to it).

The first step stores the current block height in a variable (used by the UI so it knows when the crowdfunding actually "started") and the second "key" step puts the AT "to sleep" until the crowdfunding decision time (in blocks) has been reached.

So apart from being executed *once* after creation this AT actually *does nothing* until the time for the decision of whether the target has been reached occurs.

This means it is costing *zero* resources for each node to run after the first two steps until decision time (you couldn't get much more efficient than that).
2290  Other / Off-topic / Re: The no ad-sigs posters allowed topic - come and not be annoyed by rubbish posts on: February 19, 2015, 08:03:35 PM
And this might be end up being the reason why people end up moving from this forum to find a better place to post (I know I am getting tired of having to monitor my topics like a hawk and constantly just unwatch topics due to the drift towards pointless postings).
2291  Other / Off-topic / Re: The no ad-sigs posters allowed topic - come and not be annoyed by rubbish posts on: February 19, 2015, 08:00:07 PM
If only we did see decent posts from the ad-siggers then there would be no need for this topic at all.

It is a pity the ad-sig sponsors don't realise what they have done - now as soon as I see any post with a bright shiny "ad sig" I just ignore it without even reading it (as I know that at least 90% of the time it is going to be just a crap post).

So any chance of me ever paying attention to one single post has now gone (and in fact now I delete any ad-sig post in my self-moderated topics as a protest - if they actually have anything reasonable to say then they should create a new account and post it using that instead).

So to those ad-siggers who complain I won't let you post - you can - just create a new account without your ad-sig (oh yes I forgot that is the whole reason you post didn't I).
2292  Other / Off-topic / Re: The no ad-sigs posters allowed topic - come and not be annoyed by rubbish posts on: February 19, 2015, 07:51:17 PM
I have seen people here that use "makeup and clothing" to pretend they are 60+ years old (when they are only maybe 30) in order to "beg".

You only find out if a security person spots them and chases them - suddenly you see a supposedly 60+ old woman (who was trembling in front of you looking very unsteady on her feet) run faster than a 30yo man! Cheesy

(seriously - I have seen that)

The real *country-side* Chinese would despise such people as honesty is actually a very important trait for them.
2293  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Qora | 100% POS | Assets | Names | Voting | Open Source on: February 19, 2015, 07:43:03 PM
The ACCT use case is "trustless" between two blockchains that use AT (in the future this will also apply to the CIYAM platform itself which is going to be a new platform).

So in short - yes - you don't need a 3rd party or a website when you can use ACCT (to find the trades might need a little bit of UI work though).
2294  Other / Off-topic / Re: The no ad-sigs posters allowed topic - come and not be annoyed by rubbish posts on: February 19, 2015, 07:40:15 PM
Code:
Total time logged in: 200 days, 12 minutes.

Jesus - I have spent that much of my time on this forum?
2295  Other / Off-topic / Re: The no ad-sigs posters allowed topic - come and not be annoyed by rubbish posts on: February 19, 2015, 07:37:03 PM
How could a forum algorithm determine if a signature is an ad-sig?

It wouldn't be that hard - as ad sigs tend to have a pretty "exact format" (I have read their posts).

But at the same time it wouldn't need to be algorithmically determined - it could be judged according to reports.
2296  Other / Off-topic / Re: The no ad-sigs posters allowed topic - come and not be annoyed by rubbish posts on: February 19, 2015, 07:28:09 PM
just out of curiosity: did you delete posts?

Yes - many of the posts came from people that were "asked explicitly not to post" and that is part of the very problem I was bringing up.

People with any respect don't go into a church and graffiti do they?

But people in this forum will do that (they have no respect at all for anyone). Quite a few were very angry at me for even creating a single topic that didn't allow them to post in (so they think it is their *right* to post shit in every single topic in the forum).

As stated - I have actually met with *real poor people* (who don't even have internet) and they are not the nasty, childish sort of people you find here (so the posters here are not poor people at all - just people wanting to make money by any means they can by trying to *pretend* they are the poor).
2297  Other / Off-topic / Re: The no ad-sigs posters allowed topic - come and not be annoyed by rubbish posts on: February 19, 2015, 07:15:35 PM
In all truth this topic was an experiment to see how much better the quality of posting can be without the usual trolling and ad-sig posts.

Whilst not maybe perfect I do think it has ended up being a bit less *annoying* than most other topics have ended up becoming recently after several pages (as most have been polite to one another even if in disagreement which is the way I think it should be).

Of course I know that being a self-moderated topic the burden is on me to not overly "take control" and that is not an easy thing to do (so self-moderated topics are not necessarily the best mechanism) but a "free-for-all with ad-sigs" just ends up being something that no-one with any intellect has time for (which is partly why I tried this as I am now bored with most topics on this forum).
2298  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Qora | 100% POS | Assets | Names | Voting | Open Source on: February 19, 2015, 07:13:11 PM
I am not a marketing person so maybe someone else would be better to explain things in a "marketing way" if that is what you are wanting.

ACCT allows for the idea of trustless trading between two different blockchains (i.e. no 3rd party like an *exchange* in between).

We have built the use case but as AT is currently only on the one blockchain (Burst) we have yet to actually test it "live". Once we have AT one Qora we can test that live (which will make history).
2299  Other / Off-topic / Re: The no ad-sigs posters allowed topic - come and not be annoyed by rubbish posts on: February 19, 2015, 07:00:47 PM
If the ad sigs could "pick up their game" then we'd have nothing to discuss here but I am not seeing that (the posts just get worse and worse).

I am not an anti-capitalist (perhaps I lean a bit towards libertarian but I don't have much in the way of a political bias as I think all such systems have problems) but what I do know is that if you reward people for posting crap then they will post crap.

It is hard to come up with the right way to make reward systems work - I am not against the concept but am not happy with the simplistic approach we see here that has led to the vast majority of rubbish posts I have been complaining about (and I am not the only one).
2300  Other / Off-topic / Re: The no ad-sigs posters allowed topic - come and not be annoyed by rubbish posts on: February 19, 2015, 06:47:44 PM
Excluding poor people from access to information by requiring wealth minimums goes against all the spirit of bitcoin.

I do agree - but perhaps limiting access to certain boards according to either such a deposit (or proven worth in posting) could make the experience better for those that aren't just here to make a few cents from pointless posts.

(so the newbie boards could allow all the rubbish you want)

But perhaps what you have not *got* is that "trying to be nice to poor people" doesn't mean you should let them "shit in your lounge" (and in fact most poor people have more pride than that anyway so we aren't really talking about poor people here).

Maybe unlike a lot of people here I have actually *met* poor people in remote Chinese villages and they behave in a much more respectful manner than most people in general posting in this forum do (they have a thing called "pride" which ad-sig posters seem to lack altogether).

So "allowing people to post shit" in the name of "being nice to poor people" is actually a very arrogant concept created by rich people that don't actually understand much about "poor people" at all (perhaps their only experience is *beggars* in a city).
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