he just works at a data centre.. big deal.. give it two weeks and he will be working at the prison kitchen.. both of which have no relevance to bitcoin

problem
chrome extension
hacker makes a extension that looks the same but says "error on device, please type in backup seed to restore device"

... and then your coins are gone..

trezor/keepkey still havnt solved this very easy exploit

the price rise was not because of "Wright AKA satoshi"

it was because day-traders seen the word "bitcoin" plastered on many media outlets..
simply, any news mentioning the word 'bitcoin' is good news and free publicity. doesnt matter what the story is.. if the headline says bitcoin, day traders will see this as an oncoming storm of new bitcoin users, even if Wright is found a fraud. the word "bitcoin" will continue to hit the headlines for a while, whilst media keep talking.. thus more people will see the word bitcoin even if the story is changing from "he is" to "he isnt".. day traders wont care about the he is or isnt, just the word bitcoin being in the press for a couple weeks+

my theory

Wright learned about bitcoin in 2010-2011 not knowing much. he wanted to find a way to make some assets appear.. to use as collateral
without having private keys. he noted down all the PUBLIC keys that still had 50btc in them from [other people] in 2009. because he knew they wont move. so it will give him a couple years grace before anyone questions him

he then got his friend to draw up a trust contract and said that these public addresses belonged to him and he was 'satoshi' allowing his friend to see the public addresses and see they did infact hold coins.(unspendable by wright as they are only public keys anyone can grab, not the privkeys)

now Wright used this trust, which has been 'noted' to hold 1million coins , and used it as collateral to get alot of real money loans.

scamming many corporate and government agencies by not proving he was satoshi by signing a message using any of these addresses, not using a valid pgp key known to only the real satoshi.. but by just emulating an email address to use as a 'proof' that the tulip trust was legit
....
maybe we should all do that. grab some public addresses of funds we know havnt/cant move.. pretend that we own them and create a $400 million fake trust to use as collateral to get $50mill+ of real money

ok
full nodes (the real bitcoin-core) that mining POOL operators and true bitcoin fanboys will keep needing to store both tx data and signatures..
thus to them changing Block=1mb into blockA=0.25mb blockB=0.75mb makes no difference. its still 1mb bloat per blocktime..
thus to them changing Block=4mb into blockA=1mb blockB=3mb makes no difference. its still 4mb bloat per blocktime..
you can paint certain data any colour.. it doesnt make it invisible to full nodes
you can put certain data into different drawers.. it doesnt make the cabinet any lighter

secondly miners (not pool operators) dont need the full blockchain.. unscrew a mining rig and you will see no 60gb hard drive.. so yea miners do not care, they know how to grab what they need to do the job, and how the data is saved means nothing to them..

thirdly lite users. can easily code a liteclient right now(without protocol changes) that can read the blockchain and simply not save the signature part of the json data to file so they dont even need anything new to do this right now.. and in actual fact anyone wanting to not download bitcoin core. definitely aint going to want to have 20gb of lite segwit blockchain either... its an "all or nothing" game.. not something in the middle.

all i can see is that talking to a 5 year old
kid(lite):"mum theres pea's(sig) on my plate i just want the meat(tx), i dont want the pea's(sig)"
mom(full node):"ok here is a bigger plate. let me put everything on it.. and now move the pea's to the side. now shut up and grab your meat in your lite hands and ignore the pea's"
kid:"mom there is still pea's on the plate, every day you are still going to cook(store both) meat and pea's and all you are doing is putting it on a bigger plate, telling me i can just take the meat. your not helping yourself because your still making pea's. yea i know i will never eat(store) pea's, but you know you cant take the pea's off the plate because all the other moms will tell you its not a healthy(verified) meal. yes i can just grab the meat and eat it from my light hands separately but i could have done that anyway... but just putting it on a bigger plate means nothing.. if you think it means you can now cook 10x more meat you have to realise that you still end up cooking more pea's aswell.. if there is more meat theres more peas, simple fact.. you have not solved never needing moms to cook pea's nor have you solved me not needing to grab the meat off the main plate as i could always do it, even if you tell me that its on 2 plates and i only see the plate with the meat on it you have still cooked meat and pea's"


so segwit WILL NOT resolve scaling.. because upping the limit is just the standard thing to do and not special feature segwit is offering. the meat and pea ratio will still be there mining still will produce meat and pea's databloat for true nodes. you just increasing the meat and pea's which is no different than just making a larger limit..

using gavins example
wrong

bitcoin-core users will still have 170bytes per tx.. whether you want to colour 90byte green and colour 80byte red, its still 170byte saved to full nodes hard drives
trying to con people into thinking that making a plate 4 times bigger and saying oh look you can fit 8x more green bytes.. is just wrong.. full node blocks will still be the same 170byte total all that is happening is splitting the chain into two and branding the green chain as "bitcoin" and the red chain as "please dont look"
but full nodes will still be holding both chains and thus the total data a full node stores is still 170bytes on a basic tx...

so take a 2014 simple tx of 170bytes. thats 5882 tx a block
so just up the block limit to 4mb. 23529 tx a block

now seg wit
simple tx of A=90 B=80 full node storage is still 170byte = 23529 tx per 4mg block. but segwit lite clients storage is 2.117mb for 23529 tx segwit block

lite clients could have 90byte per tx. but their chain is not the real chain and wont help the network security nor will it help lite users that dont want any bloat
lite clients wont be part of the network security and so this is not a solution to help real network supporting users (bitcoin core), its not helping lite users either

lite clients can already have 90byte just by looking at a full tx and ignoring the json strings they dont need when saving files.
ive been doing it for years now. as my lite client only grabs tx data of addresses the client holds. and just saves the txid's, vins vout's and values.. lite clients wont want to store 20gb of useless history that doesnt help the network.. they either want full history to protect the network which they can verify, or just data that applies to them specifically to sing transaction, which is far far less than 20gb

having 20gb of non secure tx data is not a lite client. its a medium weight client. which to be honest ill say it again. anyone can make their own medium weight client right now. only saving part of the json data to file without doing anything special to bitcoins protocol.

so now onto the malleability..
once tx is confirmed.. its locked into history.. and then when segwit grabs just a portion of the block data.. ofcourse is malle proof.. BECAUSE ITS ALREADY CONFIRMED!
which is the same as anyone grabbing tx data on confirmed transactions has the same malle proof,..
now onto bandwidth
segwit lite clients will not just relay 90byte of unconfirmed tx's, as mining pools need the whole thing and each relay needs to check it.. so segwit will still transmit full 170bytes. full nodes will still store/transmit 170bytes too, and thus its not helping bandwidth of the network.

anyone right now can create a client that only grabs txid, vins vouts and values of relevant addresses of a user.. right now without any soft or hard forks..
i still cant see why people think segwit is so special..

summary
i still cannot rationalise why bitcoin-core needs to split the blockchain. just for useless lite clients..who are not going to help the network.. nor want any bloat
lite clients can more effectively grab the json data, put the json strings into individual variables.. and then just not save the signature variable to file..
this to me seems like a dysfunctional attempt at a solution
far easier to just keep the chain as 1 chain. and just put code in to raise limit to 4mb and solve the malleability by having code that ignores relayed tx variant if same vin has already been relayed by another tx saved in mempool, thus stopping people using the same vin until its confirmed(goodbye doublespend)

imagining {random name} was satoshi and he has been poking at scaling bitcoin behind the scenes for years. and is about to write some white papers.. this could happen:

1. he has a scaling solution submits it to github like any other random person and if it works we then get v0.12 because the github dev team like it.
2. he grabs the code from github himself. removes any parts he dont like. adds the bits he does and releases it separately as the formal name of bitcoinqt v0.12
then the consensus game begins.. do people swap over to the new qt or stay with core..
3. he says scaling wont happen to the extent of visa's tps and people got to get use to certain area's having their own chains and people need to currency trade to hop onto which ever chain they need to transact at a certain area (eg altcoin per country/state/province)
4. he admits he is satoshi and withdraws the limited privkeys he still has (far less than 1m.. but enough to make an impact) and crashes the market

yea


as shown in block 12 that has same initial sequence but started later thus having a lower number. meaning both people started with the same nonce but the second person was behind due to starting later
it wasnt until an update that people began using their own random nonces. yet some noobs could have used the original v0.1 code and thus were using same initial sequence

all that link shows is even at block 12 (2 hours after launch) satoshi wasn't alone.. yet the guy in the article still gave it a black dot..

also hal finney joins in at block 70+ so thats like 12 hours after launch.. making 3 people mining bitcoin on day one..

they did.. result=tor node

not sure i can trust a guy that has 3 books titled:
the deception planner
secret power
al qaeda

also how he said after the reward halving $1 mining wil only return $1 reward..

noooo.. the value of bitcoin will double($400->$800) so miners will still still get profit

also he said 1990's internet was suppose to be about video content and now its about pictures of cats..
no
1990's was about pictures of p*ssy (i mean porn, not animal).. and now its video streaming (youtube/netflix/ HD quality porn/skype)

i travelled abroad and didnt want to touch my native fiat in a foreign currency as the banks wanted to charge a huge fee. bitcoin was useful then.

i know this is a negative story, but many people get hit by the cryptolock scam software and the only payment method is bitcoin, so it was useful for them too
another negative story, ... silk road.. need not say more about them druggies

please lock this thread and just comment in the other 10 threads currently active talking about the same thing

sorry didnt have time spending hours redoing old research i just used my memory of the highlights i picked up. im sure google has the answers
but from what i remember, (forgive my memory for lack of detail)
logically for satoshi to accumilate 1mill in 2 years. there would have to be only 5 people mining right up to january 2011 because only 5mill were mined by then
(simple division)
but even before winter 2009 there were about 10 people.. i can only recall hal, satoshi, sirius, theymos and some libertyexchange thing. cant remember the other names.
by january 2010 there were way more people, thanks to theymos many dozons of people were mining. so just logically the numbers dont add up to allow satoshi to have 1mill coins.

then the next point. satoshi was playing with new wallet.dat implementations. along with the fact that if you copied a wallet.dat and then later received 100 tx's... the active wallet.dat would have different addresses added to it thanks to the address pool and copying the backup back would lose addresses.
i remember he updated 0.3 to fix some wallet issues because addresses/coins were being lost. so the only way to have not lost any would have been to manually write down all the privkeys since day one prior to some of the bug fixes, to ensure he never lost a single coin..

i remember you saying you can tell alot from the nonce. if you mean lack of difficulty to imply that there was only 1 miner for the majority of 2009. well that wont work because "difficulty" was only implemented in version 0.2 on december 16th and the first jump happened december 30th 2009. so before december 16th many people could mine at the same rate without any speedbumps ...which many did.

what satoshi was talking about was online wallets. which became blockchain.info/wallet..

what Mr Wright proposes is BANKING where he gets to play around with your funds to his hearts content. eg trendon shavers BTCS&T

nah
Wright wants to be bruce wayne. billionaire egotistical business man with a secret 'symbol' for people to look upto called batman(satoshi)
even james bond is suave and egotistic

the issue is that satoshi never seemed like a egotistic brucewayne/batman persona.
if anything he was clark kent/superman, (low key average geek in real life)

seems 99% would jump ship.. not even giving the dev's 24 hours to patch bitcoin..
..
i find that quite sad to see that no one knows that bitcoin can be patched, and instead people fear any bugs enough to run off immediately.

the issue with running off to litecoin and doge. is that you have to rely on coinbase/bitpay/localbitcoins, etc all following sit and choosing the same coin.

id much rather wait for a bitcoin update and go back to business as usual

getting a weekly groceries from tesco's/asda/morrisons would be really useful.
edit
to save you time lugging around peoples shopping.. you could also put funds onto retail gift cards and sell them for bitcoin. that way people can order groceries themselves without you needing to do the hard work

trust is an issue. so as long as you are using it as a local service in your town. and the people in your town know where you live to sue you if you trn out to be a theif then great..

however if you want your personal life separate from your business life. you could simply ask people to sign a message using an address that has funds.. that way you know they can afford the goods (much like retailers balance check peoples debit cards/cheques. but funds dont move for a few days).

and then do payment on delivery. where they pay you at the door step before you hand over the goods.

escrows are another thing, look into localbitcoin as your mechanism for transfer

delete this topic and just post your comments in the other 10 threads on the same topic..
now this just creating spam