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2301  Local / Ekonomi, Politik, dan Budaya / Re: BI Terbitkan Rupiah dalam bentuk Digital on: October 06, 2022, 04:06:45 PM
Yang saya bingungkan di website yang dicantumkan agan HusnaQA, kenapa mereka menulis tidak menghilangkan uang tunai ya? Agak rancu menurut saya, karena menimbulkan kesan seolah ada "kembaran" Rupiah nantinya. Berikut kalimat lengkap yang saya sorot dari website tersebut: "Terakhir, rupiah digital tidak akan menghilangkan keberadaan uang tunai dan uang elektronik. Rupiah digital hanya akan menambah opsi transaksi selain dengan uang tunai dan uang elektronik"

menurut saya, kita kalau top-up ewallet, sejatinya itu hanya angka saja, rupiah yang sebenarnya ada pada rekening dari penyedia e-wallet tersebut. Selanjutnya, perbedaan dengan Rupiah Digital, masih menurut saya, kayaknya sih rupiah digital ini seperti stable kek begitu. Makanya ada kata-kata "pembayaran yang sah". Kita lihat saja nanti, apakah kita harus membeli/menukar uang rupiah ke rupiah digital atau perlu membeli atau tidak. Kalau kita perlu menukar dengan rupiah digital ini, maka ini fix menjadi seperti stable yang didukung dengan pengumpulan/backed mata uang fisik. Meskipun saya tidak yakin, tapi kayanya demikian. Jika dibaca disini

https://e-dropbox.kemenkeu.go.id/index.php/s/SURJeqti2hseUYu

tapi dipost di atas, Kemenkeu menyebutkan kalau nantinya akan 2 model yaitu Indirect dan direct.
2302  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Asian Cup 2023 Prediction and Discussion on: October 06, 2022, 03:29:10 PM
There was a statement from the president (Joko Widodo) yesterday and it said that FIFA has offered help to address some of the long-standing issues especially with crowd management. Widodo had a telephone conversation with Gianni Infantino (FIFA president). So as of now, there is no hint that Indonesian Federation may face any disciplinary action. That said, I would like to see Arema FC suspended for at least a couple of years. It was their responsibility to stage the match without any issue.

Weel, it would be good if there was no decision from FIFA to give a sanction to the Indonesian national team. Of course, all Indonesian people still look forward to Indonesia's participation in the World CupU-20 , and the Asian Cup. According to the latest report, the decision to organize the World Cup U-20 in Indonesia is still in doubt after this case. This means,there is still a possibility Indonesia will not be the host. Right now for m my self, if FIFA canceled Indonesia as Host, but Indonesia can still play in World Cup U-20, it is still more important than nothing.
2303  Economy / Gambling / Re: BK8 - Biggest and Most Trusted Brand. Asia's #1 Crypto online casino BTC & USDT on: October 06, 2022, 03:14:03 PM
So this kind of problem hasn't been fixed yet? or indeed this is a security method for crypto withdrawals? I experienced it some time ago
So when we want to add a new address we have to contact support first then they will send OTP via whatsapp  I mean manually
Yes, this is a bit complicated and takes about 20-30 minutes and I still recommend that once the new address has been successfully added should try a small withdrawal.

I just tried to add crypto and it still can't be done instantly. No matter how many times you send the OTP, no OTP codes comes in. I think this is because crypto doesn't have a name in the address added, so the team decided to verify by doing this method manually/contacting CS. It's not complicated, if we are thinking about security of our account. Doing this little thing can make sure your account really wants to add a crypto address.
2304  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [Diskusi] Masa Depan dan Harga shibaInu on: October 06, 2022, 10:52:31 AM
Ane sering denger dan tdk di sini saja di luar pun banyak yang nyamain trading dengan judi. Namun, walau pun tanpa paham analisa, chart, dan grafik ane anggap bukan judi karena tidak mungkin tanpa tedeng aling mereka beli sebuah coin tanpa tahu beritanya.
Nah itu dia masalahnya, contohnya kita beli Shiba Inu yang notabene sering kena pump & dump. ini juga bukan termasuk judi, karena aset yang kita beli ada fisik digitalnya. Tak ada beda dengan harga bawang tiba-tiba naik, padahal kemarin sekilo 20 ribu, hari ini udah 40 ribu sekilo. Jadi, apapun jenis asetnya selagi itu spot, menurut saya bukanlah judi. Shiba mungkin awalnya dianggap sebagai meme koin, namun semakin ke sini, mereka semakin serius dengan pengembangan value dan utility agar Shiba dapat dimanfaatkan oleh komunitas, long term investor, trader agar yang megang jangka panjang tidak sia-sia. Sekalipun pada akhirnya Shiba gagal bertahan, bisa diibaratkan kalau kita dagang buah, ga laku dan buahnya busuk. rugi donk kita? sama saja.
2305  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Asian Cup 2023 Prediction and Discussion on: October 05, 2022, 04:25:25 PM
WTF is this? If FIFA wants to impose some penalty on the Football Association of Indonesia, then it is fine. The amount can be used to compensate those who lost their lives during the disaster at Kanjuruhan stadium. But any action like suspending the national team from FIFA and AFC competitions would be unfair to the fans. Tragically among the dead, there were 35 children. And the club that is responsible has been fined just $16,000. It is around $125 for each death. And most of the reports indicated that heavy handed approach by the police was mainly responsible for this tragedy.

This is a regulation from FIFA, the ban on playing is a consequence of the riots. If the riots didn't take so many victims, I'm sure Indonesia would not be penalized for playing in the official FIFA competitions and the federations under them. now all Indonesian schedules have changed, Indonesian players maybe become unemployed for 5 years if this news is made official. Before that happens, I pray that there will be no sanctions for the Indonesian national team
2306  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: October 05, 2022, 04:18:42 PM
the task is difficult because there is no money to spend
the budget is very limited and therefore this makes the task very difficult
in his previous experience, coach Allegri did not hurt, this time he has more difficulties due to lack of money


Maybe Allegri can still give a good result at the end of the season with their current & additional players. But, their focus can be on the Coppa Italia or to be in the Top 4 (if juventus can't make their performance better). I think Ronlado's departure at a time when football was only able to give a permission for spectators going to the stadium after Corona made it a little difficult for Juventus to get funds. Transfers made at beginning in the season did not meet Allegri's expectations. And I remembering how Allegri find difficult times after bringing AC Milan get a Serie-A Title. After that, the performance of the Milan players went down and Allegri become get fired.
2307  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [Diskusi] Masa Depan dan Harga shibaInu on: October 05, 2022, 11:04:54 AM
Akhir-akhir ini makin banyak yang menyetarakan trading dengan judi, ini post kedua yang saya temukan yang menyebut trading ibarat sebuah judi. Baiklah, orang yang trading tanpa analisa sebenarnya tidak juga sedang berjudi karena mengadu keberuntungan. Karena, mereka tetap membeli produk. Boleh lah, future dianggap sangat lebih mirip dengan judi karena tidak ada produk yang dibeli melainkan menebak arah market, tapi untuk spot trading baik itu melakukan analisa atau tidak, ini jauh dari judi.

Coba bisa dijelaskan apa bedanya trading tanpa analisa dengan kasus ini, saya mau jual pentol nih, saya ga tau lokasi yang bagus, saya keliling aja gitu ga nyari lokasi yang penting keliling aja, ada yang beli syukur ga ada yang beli ya sudah rugi banyak, apakah saya dagang pentol ini saya berjudi karena hanya muter-muter? bukankah ini sama saja dengan saya trading tapi ga bisa analisa, ga bisa baca candle/indikator dll?

kali aja pemahaman saya salah selama ini, mohon dikoreksi  Grin
2308  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: [DISKUSI] Cryptocurrency dalam kartu PRAKERJA on: October 05, 2022, 10:50:03 AM
Saya pribadi merasa pesimis jikapun seandainya dalam kartu prakerja tersebut masuk juga keahlian tentang cryptocurrency, teknologi blockchain atau yang berkaitan dengannya. Entah nanti materi pelatihannya benar-benar detail atau hanya dasarnya saja atau dana yang diterima pesertanya malah digunakan untuk hal lain diluar itu dan beralih fungsi seperti bansos pada umumnya yang lebih ke keperluan konsumtif dari pada untuk menambah keahlian dibidang yang dipilh pada kartu prakerja.

Bukan hal yang mengejutkan lagi, bahkan BLK pun tidak berjalan sebagaimana yang diharapkan oleh peserta. Ada beberapa saudara saya yang ikut BLK dari kartu prakerja ini, namun ia merasa kecewa karena bekal/materi yang diberikan tidak spesifik seperti yang ia harapkan bahkan menurutnya materinya sudah didapat disekolah sebelumnya, bukan materi yang baru. Jadi, jika pun ada materi blockchain dan crypto di BLK, saya yakin hasilnya juga sama, materi dasar. Jika butuh materi lebih spesifik akan lebih baik jika dilakukan dengan kursus personal baik offline maupun online.
2309  Economy / Gambling / Re: BK8 - Biggest and Most Trusted Brand. Asia's #1 Crypto online casino BTC & USDT on: October 05, 2022, 10:33:31 AM
of course i asked them several times what was the reason and how i violated any rules since im fully verified in the site, i dont even touch casino or games. just sportsbook with small amounts, never taken a bonus.. but all the live help replies are just template messages and nothing specific to the situation.anyway.. i wrote to curacao too, their licence provider (which is a joke anyway).so theres no single way that i commited a fraud . they know my ID and all. i challenge them to announce the fraud that i commited here on public then, but they just can not. to be honest i couldnt care less about 300-400 bucks but being ripped off this shamelessly pisses me off

If you've done it, and haven't gotten a good answer in your opinion, actually you shouldn't be too easy to say web A is a scam, web B is a scam and so on. Sometimes, attitude will provide a better solution than saying negative things or being suspicious. I will not continue this discussion, please try to get back to the CS team, who knows this time you will get a better answer. Since here some problem can be solved. Good luck.


Have you guys checked the new bk8 site? I'm surprised it has massive rework:

I just opened it. very cool web design. With the RTP information for each game, this will make players more flexible in choosing the right game to play.

WELL DONE team! I love this one
2310  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: One way to avoid scam wallets on: October 04, 2022, 04:59:21 PM
Ratings/reviews always deceive, some can judge reading reviews whether they are genuine or fake (I think this comes after you fall face first few times). Next step would be to look for handles of wallet > check their telegram/discord, how their staff behaves. Still don't know? Then make post here if not already done by someone before.

Ratings in this day are no longer valid. Maybe, even though there is a decentralized rating system, the rating can still be manipulated. Moreover, on 3rd party websites, this will be more often manipulated. But it would be better if we are seek information from various sources, forums, social media and so on. Sometimes, telegram chat provides a more reasonable rating, this can be obtained from various user who made a complaints that are generally carried out in groups. for me, it's better to avoid wallets that are mostly have positive ratings with high intensity, usually scam potential (exception for old wallets, which may be 80% scam free).
2311  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2022/23 Season on: October 04, 2022, 04:30:07 PM
Liverpool will be highly motivated today, and given that the opponent is weaker, I expect a big score of 3-0 or 4-1 or more. Moreover, I cannot say that Liverpool in its current state is so much stronger than the Rangers, I make such a forecast only because of the peculiarities of Liverpool - if they are stronger than the opponent, then they do not stop at 2-0 (reliable score) but try to score as much as they can.

Even though Liverpool are the favorites to win in this match, but with a score of 4 - 1 for me, it still doesn't seem that easy, unless Rangers really have no motivation to win. But, for a score of 2 - 0 is still possible. However, Liverpool players are under pressure in the EPL, this possibility has a psychic effect for Liverpool players while playing in the UCL.
2312  Economy / Gambling / Re: BK8 - Biggest and Most Trusted Brand. Asia's #1 Crypto online casino BTC & USDT on: October 04, 2022, 04:02:46 PM
dude.. who cares if im a new member here or they sponsor god knows who. i ve been betting since 20 years online and never EVER had any account locked or banned or any other thing as such. i NEVER take any bonuses from any site, NEVER open more than 1 account and obviously NEVER launder money either.. i just explained what the hell happened and giving you people a heads up but now i actually would love that it happened to you too since you are defending them this blindly so you would understand it actually happens even though you are not a criminal or sth

I don't do blind defending, but this is based on my experience and also knowledge of several cases that caused accounts to be banned on various sites, not only on BK8. Because most of it is because the user made a mistake. If you are not satisfied with the results provided by the team, please try to contact them again. that's if you still want it.
2313  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Slots 101: Basics, Strategies, and Discussion (with poll) on: October 04, 2022, 03:51:11 PM
While I like Pragmatic Play slots as they are truly a great provider because I have seen many over 5000x in their slots in much shorter time than I have seen from the Play n Go counterparts which I was extremely addicted until 3 weeks ago but I feel like being immune now.

Sometimes I also miss to playing back in PP, but my luck playing slots doesn't seem so good in PP. Indeed, in the last few months I have not played PP games, but when I am very active, I always fail to get max-win. even to get the win was so difficult. This is just my personal experience, although some people doesn't like games on PGS, but from their games I win more often. It's not a big win, but it's enough to make me happy. of course, there is no 100% win, but for fun, sometimes i found it from PGS.
2314  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: October 04, 2022, 03:32:02 PM
In Serie A, from time to time, some middle-class clubs can start a good season, not so long ago in Serie A there was a Chievo club, they could also have a promising start, but then there was always a decline. I don’t see how Udinese will be able to last the whole season, although the example of Leicester (when they won the Premier League) shows us that nothing is impossible. So far, Udinese is Serie A dark horse this season.
Yes, it's true the mid-table teams initially put on an outstanding performance at the beginning, but the consistency has become the real problem that is often encountered. This is normal in football. Although I also don't deny that maybe what Leicester success in EPL few season back have achieved is experienced by Udinese and becomes champions, then this will be an extraordinary season for Serie A.
2315  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: Forum altcoin mulai sepi lagi.... on: October 04, 2022, 03:17:36 PM
Saya rasa mereka berhenti bukan karena malas berkreasi tapi memang karena aktivitas di RL sudah terlalu padat dan merasa pendapatan di forum semakin tidak pasti. Masalah kreasi, jarang ada member yang benar-benar mau berkreasi terutama berkreasi dalam membuat thread informatif. Asal mereka masih merasa aktivitas di forum menguntungkan, saya yakin masih akan betah di forum meski tidak punya kreasi apapun. Sama halnya seperti saya sendiri yang juga tidak punya kreasi, tapi saya tidak merasa bosan karena bagi saya banyak keuntungan menjadi bagian forum ini (tidak hanya dalam bentuk uang).


Faktor utama adalah memang dari aktivitas real life, bagi mereka yang enggan membuat thread ini bukan karena kreativitas, melainkan mungkin merasa kalau topiknya belum ada yang baru untuk dibuatkan thread baru. Sebagian besar newbie akan pergi karena masalah income dari bounty yang tidak seindah ceritanya. Namun, jika newbie (bener-bener newbie, bukan hanya rank disini saja) ini memiliki keinginan untuk mencari pengetahuan, tentunya ia mungkin hanya akan menjadi member pasif yang lebih demen baca.
2316  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Asian Cup 2023 Prediction and Discussion on: October 03, 2022, 04:43:25 PM
Should we be worrying that we will not able to see Indonesia National team in any Asian Competition as well as World competition because it seems that there is a big chance for PSSI to get banned by FIFA due to the tragedy that happened yesterday in one of our local competition match where more than 125 supporters dead after the match? It is sad to see this fact and it may affect the whole local competition as well as affect the National Team.

Unfortunately, when everyone was happy with Indonesia's participation in the Asian Cup, Indonesia had to get a minimum of 5 years of sanctions. from AREMANIA (AREMA fans) said that supporters who go to the field only to ask for photos. I don't know the truth. However, the actions of the police and the committee to allow tear gas were a fatal mistake. Even the supporters had difficulty getting out, because the emergency doors were closed, while tear gas was fired indiscriminately.
2317  Economy / Gambling / Re: BK8 - Biggest and Most Trusted Brand. Asia's #1 Crypto online casino BTC & USDT on: October 03, 2022, 04:36:03 PM
yesterday, i would ve told the same things but ok. good luck. people dont usually get it until it happens to them. just saying

As long as there is no violation, BK8 will not do that.It is impossible for a provider who sponsors EPL clubs to harm their customers. It is a fact, even all the gambling companies that have been accused of cheating by new members on this forum, are not proven so. If traced further, those who complain that their accounts are banned, cannot withdraw and so on, have committed fraudulent activity.


Does Bk8 ask for OTP code when you request for a withdrawal in crypto?

So far I have never received an OTP to make a withdrawal either fiat or crypto. Maybe I didn't pay attention to the OTP option for withdrawals on BK8.
2318  Economy / Gambling / Re: BK8 - Biggest and Most Trusted Brand. Asia's #1 Crypto online casino BTC & USDT on: October 03, 2022, 01:03:58 PM
everything nice and peachy until they decide to steal your balance too. beware

I only use the services on BK8, no other websites that I use. Over the past 6 months, I have never had any problems. I once make a withdrawal over $1000 in 1 day, even other users can withdraw almost $8,000 in 1 day, without any problem. The key is, as long as you don't break the rules, no matter how much money you have and need to withdraw, you'll get it! I've also had problems with my deposit, but I got a refund. No problem.
2319  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Slots 101: Basics, Strategies, and Discussion (with poll) on: October 03, 2022, 12:27:08 PM
but to reduce addiction it is also good that they can do activities that consume a lot of their time, such as sports, go out, walk, meet people, do something like that so that your brain doesn't feel the imperative need to play, but little by little they replace that desire with another activity that contributes to them.

The only way to get rid of the desire to play slots when we are addicted is to transfer control of our money to our trusted person in our family. I experimented with this. The result is quite effective, in reducing the desire to play. Because it is difficult to have access to  my own money. This is an experiment that cannot be imitated, because if your wife likes to be extravagant, your wife might spend a lot of the money. LOL.

2320  Economy / Gambling / Re: BK8 - Biggest and Most Trusted Brand. Asia's #1 Crypto online casino BTC & USDT on: October 03, 2022, 12:20:09 PM
I hope that they do not ask for personal data , to make a withdrawal must be with the same name , so far I have not tried to make a deposit via a crypto network is this the same system must withdraw to a local bank with the same name ?

Crypto Address does not contain a name. as long as you have completed simple KYC such as mobile number and email, you can add your crypto address. Without needing a name. So far I haven't encountered any problems. Withdrawals with crypto are also processed quickly. Please try it, if in doubt, ask the team first or try with a small amount first. But so far everything is smooth.
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