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1881  Local / Ekonomi, Politik, dan Budaya / Re: Apakah Bappebti Benar Benar Melindungi Investor Indonesia? on: December 23, 2022, 04:30:53 PM
Misalnya Tokocrypto mengalami kebangkrutan atau pihak mereka mencoba menipu dan membawa kabur aset pengguna, Bappebti juga tidak mampu melakukan apapun untuk menutupi kerugian yang di alami oleh pengguna bursa tersebut. Ranah mereka hanya pada pemberian kepastian terhadap perjalanan bursa dengan adanya regulasi.

Langkah pencegahan sudah dipirkan oleh Bappebti mengenai hal ini, di mana Exchange wajib melaporkan modal setidaknya Rp800 miliar.

Exchanger atau Pedagang Fisik Aset Kripto wajib menyetor modal Rp 1 triliun dan saldo modal akhir Rp 800 miliar. Ketentuan ini harus dipenuhi dalam setahun.
Nah dari sini, sudah bisa dilihat, modal sebanyak ini bertujuan untuk menjaga dan memastikan bahwa exchange dapat beroperasi untuk waktu yang panjang. Kemudian, syarat yang penting pula adalah jajaran direksi juga harus diisi oleh WNI, hal ini juga sebagai tindakan pencegahan, ketika ada suatu terjadi misal seperti kasus FTX, pemerintah Indonesia masih bisa melacak, memantau dan mencari pihak-pihak berwenang yang ada di jajaran tertinggi perusahaan. Tapi kalau urusan penggantian jika bangkrut, sudah pasti Bappebti tidak akan sampai kesitu. Namun, yang harus mengembalikan tentunya adalah pihak exchange. Bagaimana pun, aset yang ditrading adalah aset pengguna, jadi wajib bagi exchange untuk menjaga aset pengguna tersebut dengan baik.
1882  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: December 23, 2022, 04:15:57 PM


I have not seen any news that Zidane will coach Juventus. There is no doubt that Zidane is an experienced coach. He is an excellent coach. But he is interested in being the coach of a team like Juventus? Earlier I heard rumors that Zidane was offered by PSG to become coach, but Zidane withdrew PSG's offer. I don't think Zidane would be interested in taking charge of a team as unstable as Juventus right now.

Asriloni is right, the article that i found is that, there not mentioned will joined Juventus, only making juventus as options. However, some of local media here already mentioned if Zidane close to Juventus* (article in Indonesian). Thats why, i asked community here, maybe I missed something about this news, since the rumors not become a trend so far. We never know, he need a job, if in the past he was refused offer from PSG, maybe he can accept Juventus offer at this time, since with Juventus, he can manage team from bad positions to be a champion again.
1883  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: December 23, 2022, 04:07:47 PM
It's a pity that Cristiano Ronaldo's ultimate fate, he had to be willing to go to a Middle Eastern club when he was old. But if the news is true, it's actually quite good, considering that he has struggled to play at a European level club and his desire to play in the Champions League seems to have disappeared. I hope CR7 can continue to motivate the young players at the Al-Nassr club so that his enthusiasm will spread to the various young people there.

His performance maybe down, but he still have strong physical. He was difficult to get new clubs in europe because his salary. If he can decrease his salary i believe it will be easy for him to find new european clubs. But, money still everything for human, he have a chance to get multi million euros, with Al-Nassr. The rare chance for star players have this opportunity. This can be new record for football history, while football players break £1bn deal. He can build stadium and have own clubs in the future with this money  Grin
1884  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: December 23, 2022, 08:40:27 AM
Juventus have hot rumor today, from local media in my country, some of them reported if Zidane will become Juventus coach. As we know, Allegri success bring Juventus to the top 3 after bad performance at the beginning. And now, if this rumor is true, its mean Allegri is not safe, he need to bring Juventus to get another scudetto for Juve, if he failed, maybe next season we will see he will getting sacked.

I don't find any news about possibility of Zidane to Juventus, anyone have more article about this? The only article I found is Footbal-Italia.net, but there just mentioned if Juventus one of Zidane options.
1885  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is Dogecoin Dead ? on: December 22, 2022, 03:05:11 PM
I don't know what's good about doge? Maybe just that it's a coin promoted by Elon Musk. Otherwise it is as useless as any other altcoin. I never understood why these memcoins have such a large capitalisation, even more than some real companies. I guess that will fix itself in time. By the way Twitter does not necessarily integrate doge. They could easily create another coin.

Doge already has a large community, is not only held by the regular community, but also large companies have invested in Doge. Even though they don't have a product or service, community that brings Doge to have a large market capitalization. Doge is not Elon or even not twitter product, even without Elon or twitter, I think Doge will still exist. Just like McAffee case in 2017, Elon is the same figure that is the origin of bullish FOMO. So, even Elon not tweeted about Doge either, the community has been trading doge for a long time. Regardless of price potential, the normal price is between $0.01 - $0.1. If you invest under $ 0.05, I think it's already at a fairly normal, to be stored for the long term, although there is no guarantee that there will be another big pump. NFA/DWYOR
1886  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: Disaat Crypto Winter begini, Apa yang kalian lakukan? on: December 22, 2022, 02:52:19 PM

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Beberapa orang mungkin lebih memilih untuk amanin aset di idr/usd dan DCA tipis-tipis, ada juga yang menunggu halving lebih dekat untuk mulai dca lagi
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Soal investasi sih memang tergantung dengan karakter dan kebiasaan mereka mas. Ada yang langsung melakukan investasi berkala untuk holding saat ini, ada yang fokus untuk mengamankan aset dengan fiat maupun dengan stable.

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karena saya masih yakin kalau Bitcoin masih akan turun lebih dalam lagi, adakah yang sama seperti saya?

Saya sih juga percaya BTC masih bisa turun lagi, tapi kalau dalam waktu dekat ini tidak bisa menembus resisten dengan valid. Karena banyak juga yang sudah menganalisa potensi dip dibawah 15K, dan sudah dibahas juga di sini, jadi untuk diskusi dan spekulasi harga btc bisa ke thread tersebut.
1887  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: December 22, 2022, 01:50:36 PM
Surprised, Al-Nassr sign deal with CR7 for 7 years as their Ambassador, and deal as their players. As we know, he is linked with Al-Nassr last few week, we are thinking he wouldn't accept this offer, since he wants UCL trophy again. But, in the end, Ronaldo move from europe, since no club able to sign him, the contract till 2030 as ambassador and he have a special task from Al-Nassr to help Saudi Arabia to host World Cup 2030.
- https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/ronaldo-al-nassr-january-transfer-ex-man-utd-400m-deal/blt786301fdab1c9f1c
- https://www.goal.com/en-us/news/ronaldo-sign-seven-year-deal-al-nassr-rise-200m-wages-after-2024/blt7cad2419a902cac8
1888  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: December 22, 2022, 01:05:29 PM
Francesco Camarda. He's 14-year old and has scored 485 goals in 89 games in the AC Milan academy.

He was promoted to the Milan u19s yesterday for a friendly and he bagged a brace. Next year debut maybe ?

I'm not sure Milan will promote him to the Senior Squad next season. Even though he was promoted, I believe he was only a substitute bench player. I remember Paloschi, a young player who is remembered for a first-touch goal after replaced a player on the second half (i forgot the player), but Milan couldn't make him grow.

This is the iconic goal from Paloschi for Milan, CMIIW

https://web.facebook.com/ACMilan/videos/gotd-paloschi-ac-milan-vs-siena-2008/296901764354814/?_rdc=1&_rdr

Same as Camarda, he is too young, maybe he will be on U19 till 19 yo, and promoted if he can be a good player as today..
1889  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Looking for btc price (by minute/second) website on: December 21, 2022, 02:24:24 PM
So far I have only used Tradingview.com, you can choose the BTC price from any exchange according to your preference. I don't know what you mean about inaccuracy, but as any graph mostly uses an API, it's normal that we can see a delay of a few seconds. However, Tradingview doesn't support 2 min TF, only available for 1, 3, 5 min TF and longer. For premium user you can choose from 1-30 seconds.



have you used tradingview before?
1890  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Using Bonus Buy or Not Using Bonus Buy? on: December 21, 2022, 02:12:53 PM
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 If you tried buying bonus and let say no good wins came, I think you won't ever avail them next time because you think they are only a waste of money but for some guys who started when these things are already implemented, they can only treat that as a normal event and this doesn't discourage them from buying a bonus in the future.

Exactly, between using normal spins and bonus buy, actually 50:50 no more. But, with normal spins, we can bet higher with chance to win more, but not burning our money faster. I got a Max-Win from normal spins bonus, i believe i will never doing $50 bonus buy, since if I lose, i lose my capital from the start, mostly i will limit my bonus buy to $20 if i get more than $120 on my balance,  its mean i only can win with $0.2 bet if i doing a bonus buy. Since i using normal spins with $0.5 i can win more with only less than $30 (at that time). that's why now I mostly using normal spins. except I playing Sweet Bonanza, i will use bonus buy feature, because really hard to get bonus spins from normal (based on my experience).
1891  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: December 21, 2022, 02:02:16 PM
So when people conclude that Napoli this season will make new history, then I really find it hard to believe even if Napoli are 8 points ahead of Milan and Juventus or 9 points Inter and Lazio. I still believe in Milan because they are one of the teams that I like the most, but Juventus and Inter are also likely to fight for the scudetto at the end of the season using every game to get full points. Napoli won their last Scudetto in the 1989/90 season which was their second title after previously winning in the 1986/87 season. So I don't expect anything from Napoli even though they have the potential to change their history this season.
Yes, Napoli will be hard to maintain their consistency after this break. But, i think Napoli players has an opportunity to keep their positions til end. But, i still remember about Spalletti record at serie-a, if this not change, i mean serie-A titile on on spalletti side once again, maybe they will show a decline in performance. Hopefully this time i'm wrong. About Milan, actually i feel better to Napili will become champion so far. But, 8 points is close, i think from week #25-#30 we will see the most possible to become champion this season
1892  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: Koin Berpotensi, Namun Melemah Disaat Tren Bitcoin Bearish on: December 21, 2022, 01:23:52 PM
Ehm, fakta yang menarik, ane inget beberapa tahun lalu tepatnya di 2017, dimana ada beberapa latcoin yang pump tinggi tapi gak pernah balik lagi ke harga ATH 2017. Jadi ya percuma juga semisal masih nyimpan coin-coin meme kayak Doge dkk, mending nyari potensi baru kayak masulum sebutkan semisal coin yang stabil dan adem ayem sejak 5 tahun lalu.
Tapi ini juga belum tentu bakal terulang lho mas, bisa saja ga demikian di masa bullish nanti. BTW, tadi saya baca sekilas di beranda twitter saya (saya cari lagi sudah tidka ketemu), kalau ada banyak investor yang saat ini sedang melirik Shiba. Bisa jadi, pump & dump shiba masih belum selesai, kalau mau nekat nebeng bisa tuh dianalisa si Shiba, sapa tau ada angin segar saat masa bullish. Tapi ini akan sangat berisiko, jadi pastikan lakukan analisa dengan baik sebelum mengambil keputusan.
1893  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: [DISKUSI] Harga Bitcoin on: December 21, 2022, 12:22:58 PM
Kalau diperpanjang dan resistance di area 15K tidak rusak sepertinya ada kemungkinan harga kembali naik ya om? Jadi kalau ditarik kesimpulan FUD yang dibuat oleh Mike Alfred dalam ciutannya.  mungkin sedikit berefek penarikan Binance untuk save aset, tapi untuk menurunkan harga BTC sepertinya tidak. Jadi harapan saya sih resistance 15K tidak jebol dan harga berangsur naik, meski periode halving masih cukup lama dan isu resesi terus saja gencar menjadi berita negatif buat para investornya.
Benar mas, support terdekat adalah 15.K, dan ini merupakan support krusial menurut analis. Karena ini bisa jadi titik penentu arah reversal. Jika support 15K ini jebol, ada potensi BTC akan bertengger ke harga sekitar 12K. Ini adalah coret-coretan saya, untuk TF 1D



Kalau misalkan pergerakan ini valid, mungkin koreksi ke 15 K terjadi, tapi tidak akan sampai membuat jebol, artinya meskipun tersentuh, masih berada di 15K+, dari garis merah harusnya ada pantulan pergerakan untuk kembali re-test ke 18K. tapi jika dibarengi dengan food dan membuat harga jebol, dip yang ditunggu pun bisa disambut, yakni di 12K+. CMIIW/DYOR/NFA/DWYOR
1894  Local / Marketplace (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: BK8 - Kripto Online Kasino Terbesar dan Terpercaya di Asia - BTC & USDT on: December 20, 2022, 02:21:47 PM
Ada yang optimis dapat iPhone 14 Pro Max?

saya ga ikut kontes apa pun selama piala dunia, paling saya dapat ini di warung bu ninis Grin

source: sumur

mas e ikut banyak kontes ini pasti, kalau menang tip2 ya haha  Cheesy
1895  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: [Belajar] Strategi Pemula Biar Tetap Eksis di Sini on: December 20, 2022, 02:13:13 PM
Thread Help dan tiga lagi yang ane lampirkan diatas sebagai media untuk mendapat merit (bukan datang untuk mengemis disana), siapapun yang ingin dibantu harus mengikuti semua aturan yang sudah ada di Op.

Yup, dari pandangan saya, thread bantuan merit yang ada memang bukan lah untuk pengemis merit. Tetapi, ini untuk membantu merit source atau member dengan sMerit banyak untuk menemukan post yang tepat untuk diberikan sMerit, kecuali yang bantuan (-1 untuk naik rank, kadang langsung dapat secara cuma-cuma). Ada banyak post yang muncul dan tidak semuanya akan ada dalam pengamatan member, makanya jika ada member merasa layak untuk diberikan merit, top member berinisiatif dengan thread bantuan merit tersebut. Seharusnya member yang ingin eksis bisa memanfaatkan ini dengan baik. Kalau mereka hanya menanyakan kapan saya dapat merit tanpa ada post kualitas tiba-tiba datang, ya ga bakalan ada yang ngasih.
1896  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: [DISKUSI] Harga Bitcoin on: December 20, 2022, 02:00:52 PM
Support 16K sudah tersebut, banyak yang berasusmsi penurunan dari level 18K adalah imbas dari FUD Binance. Koreksi kecil sebenarnya, yang menurut saya bukanlah FUD, karena tidak membuat BTC berada kurang dari 15.500. Bagaimana pun, ini juga sudah di analisa oleh banyak analis, kalau BTC berpotensi koreksi setelah resisten 18K. Jika kita lihat dari sejarah ini,


chart 2021/22

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chart 2017/18,

Ada korelasi antara keputusan suku bunga dari The FED terhadap harga BTC.

Source: https://seekingalpha.com/article/4565299-bitcoin-how-binance-and-fed-affect-cryptocurrency
1897  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [DISKUSI] Socios.com Fan Token Klub Indonesia - Prediksi & Spekulasi on: December 20, 2022, 12:25:48 PM
Entitas yang akan memiliki peranan yang sangat penting disini nantinya adalah Fans dari 3 klub tersebut, berdasarkan pencarian yang saya lakukan, saya menemukan bahwa tingkat fanatisme supporter Indonesia berada di peringkat ke-3 dunia (berada dibawah Inggris dan Argentina), ini merupakan sebuah nilai lebih yang memperkuat kalau FTO yang akan berlangsung akan cukup berjalan dengan baik.

Selain dari tingkat fanatisme, saya juga mencari data tentang adopsi kripto di Indonesia, dikutip dari Tokocrypto, berdasarkan riset yang dilakukan oleh Gemini, mereka menemukan bahwa Indonesia menjadi pengadopsi kripto tertinggi di dunia (sekitar 41%). Maksud saya, dengan sudah bertemunya 2 komponen penting ini mungkin kita akan melihat masa depan yang baik pada Fan Token klub yang berasal dari Indonesia.


Kalau soal tingkat fanatisme tinggi, memang benar mas. tapi fanatisme Indonesia masih belum ke arah loyal untuk klub. Loyalitas mereka lebih ke arah, beli tiket, nonton di stadion, nobar dan sebagainya. Tapi, kalau dari segi pembelian merchandise, fans Indonesia lebih loyal ke beli di distro dan replika jersey/t-shirt (KW).

Coba tengok penjualan jersey original berikut ini: https://fangir.com/blogs/news/5-jersey-klub-sepak-bola-indonesia-paling-laris

dari kapasitas stadion yang mencapai 30.000, jersey original tertinggi hanya belasan ribu, bahkan tidak sampai 70% dari kapasitas stadion kecil dengan 30.000 penonton. Kemudian, meskipun dari data Indonesia merupakan negara pengadopsi tinggi untuk kripto, yang menjadi titik selanjutnya adalah, seberapa minat fans untuk membeli token tersebut. Karena, kalau investor, mungkin tidak akan mau tau dengan governance maupun kegunaannya untuk klub, yang penting jual aja nanti kalau profit Sedangkan targetnya adalah untuk memberikan hak lebih kepada fans agar ikut berkontribusi terhadap keputusan klub.

itu sih yang saya khawatirkan.

Tapi, kalau soal gimik seperti mas @mu_enrico, saya rasa jangka panjang harusnya ini akan memberikan pengaruh, tapi butuh waktu seiring dengan pengembangan. harusnya sih gitu.  Grin
1898  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why you should be very careful with alts on: December 20, 2022, 12:14:31 PM
Before having that report in early 2024, Coingecko has How Many Cryptocurrencies have Failed?. You would be shocked by this infographic.

I don't know what the current requirements for being registered or listed on Coingecko or Coinmarketcap . However, I've heard that there is a priority listing for Coingecko and Coinmarketcap, where dev need to pay $$$$$ to get a fast listing. So I'm no longer surprised if this is happens, since going from a strict listing process to a paid listing will result in a large number of dead coins. After all, 2021-2022 era is the era of memes which makes a lot of sense that many will die, despite the rumors of the priority list.

Note: I'm not accusing, just hearing rumours. please correct me if wrong.
1899  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: December 20, 2022, 10:47:02 AM
Since Giroud at AC Milan he has scored five goals in 13 games. he has never scored more than 16 goals in a season and until he moved to AC Milan ahead of the 2021-22 season, he has not started more than 11 games in a season and As a nimble striker who can play anywhere, no one would have thought he as one of the fastest players in the world and milan certainly need his services  Wink

Giroud still has the chance to play in Serie-A, but the physical factor that is easily affected by injury makes Giroud have to be careful when playing. if there is an accident on the field, as was the case with Ibra, Giroud will take longer to recover since the age factor and the frequency with injured history so far. However, if he manages to protect himself from potential tackles or body charges that injure him, I think Milan have the chance to play Giroud longer.
1900  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Bounty hunters, how much you really earned in the last two years? on: December 19, 2022, 02:10:45 PM
Well, Actually will depend on how much allocation and how much member who joined the campaign. From my last campaign, for 6 weeks, member can get $400, Of course this is not good amount if compared to current signature campaign with BTC. but if member can filter the campaign I believe it can be more than $400. Unfortunately, current bounty hunter just trying to join any campaign without considering how much money they get with total participants since most of bounty campaign calculate the reward with stake system not fixed rate. So, i believe if they can find a good campaign, in last 2 years someone can get over $1500.
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