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2301  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Goodbye BitConnect... Hello Bitcoin Gold? on: January 19, 2018, 06:08:21 PM
Because people like gambling while role-playing as savvy investors.
2302  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: ICOs close to Hard Cap on: January 19, 2018, 06:06:39 PM
check for hardcaps around 15-30 million USD.
then you will find the hardcapped ones. Checkout my signature and join the crowdsale for CoinMetro
A decent/profitable hard cap depends a lot on the market that an ICO is going to play in. There's no fixed number for this that you should look for.
2303  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: Trezor or Ledger? on: January 19, 2018, 06:03:42 PM
Trezor had one security flaw (due to its chipset) which I don't think has been fixed. Basically, it's fairly simple to gain access to the Trezor PIN, seed, and private keys if the Trezor is physically stolen. As long as you can keep the Trezor itself safe that won't be a concern though.

Not sure if the Ledger had a similar issue or not.

But you can always just buy both to support the industry and to spread out your coins to hedge your risks.
2304  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is Ripple Going To Reach 10,000$ By 2020? on: January 19, 2018, 06:01:34 PM
Maybe if the derivative market was denominated and traded against XRP instead of USD, which isn't going to happen.
2305  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: what is your plan? on: January 19, 2018, 06:00:16 PM
I'm never going to cash out everything, money that just sits around doing nothing is completely worthless. I make sure I have enough fiat to sustain my current life-style for at least 2-3 years without batting an eye at any given point and won't withdraw anymore than I need for either starting business or ensuring the option of permanent retirement / financial independence. The rest stays in crypto and stocks for loftier long-term goals that go beyond a luxurious lifestyle.
2306  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 19, 2018, 05:57:40 PM
Motivation or not, there won't really be anywhere close to enough jobs to go around in the future. So I'd worry about AI and automation rather than temporally limited investment opportunities.
2307  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: █【ANN】【ICO】█【ICO LIVE】 ██ 🌟 BLOCKLANCER ██ JOIN GIG ECONOMY BOOM on: January 19, 2018, 05:04:44 PM
Is this blocklancer still old project or its a new one? sorry may be its noob question but i have join facebook and twitter campaign since first day of this project (although only get little stake there). If its still old project i'll continue doing my bounty campaign, and what should i do? do i need to post here every time after done doing tasks?
It's the same project. The ICO has just started earlier this week and will run until it either raises 10,000 Ether or until the 28th of February, whichever happens first. The bounty will be paid at some point following the conclusion of the ICO. And no, you don't have to report here after finishing any tasks.
2308  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 19, 2018, 05:01:59 PM
re Overstock

I have, thus far, failed to be impressed by their prices.

And, having grown up in the inter-mountain West, I have a strong disdain for the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints...so yeah, no.
Bitpanda works quite well for Amazon, at least in Europe. And it's much quicker than going through fiat directly, although granted they do charge quite a margin if I recall correctly.

Seconding the Amazoncoin sentiment by the way, Bezos is usually on top of the game with these kinds of developments. Perhaps he'll just end up acquiring Bitpay or something like that though.
2309  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: █【ANN】【ICO】█【ICO LIVE】 ██ 🌟 BLOCKLANCER ██ JOIN GIG ECONOMY BOOM on: January 19, 2018, 04:39:29 PM
I'm connected in your website as  btclegionario@gmail.com and twitter account @L3gionario1
It's best not to post your email on public forums/websites (you'll get spammed by bots).

But welcome to the campaign!
2310  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Get Rid Of Bitcoins ? on: January 19, 2018, 03:41:58 PM
Why would you even consider to exit Bitcoin now of all times?

Bitcoin literally just started rolling out its Lightning Network, which makes it the most efficient means of payment in the world.
2311  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 19, 2018, 03:28:10 PM
I haven't watched that movie, no. Is it worth the time?

Yes, very good movie. Performances all around fantastic.
Thanks, I'll check it out.
2312  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 19, 2018, 03:22:06 PM
I haven't watched that movie, no. Is it worth the time?


And when I say "equity" it's not exactly in the way that normal equity functions (due to regulations). There are a number of different models which distribute the generated revenue to token holders in one way or another. In some cases you have to become active, in others the tokens are required to satisfy certain functions of the product or platform.

As far as token caps are concerned, I know for fact that the Waves platform gives the choice of whether or not tokens are re-issuable or not, which is a piece of information that is available to the public. Given a decentralized platform that functions with those tokens, just printing extra tokens would thus not be possible. The total supply and how the token functions in the proposed company/product/platform is a critical factor though.

And while I expect well above 90% of crypto companies dying, I do expect at least a dozen or so (~1%) to remain with one or two even becoming major global players in the 2020s. Who knows which those will be though.
2313  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] 🔥Tokugawa Coin 🔥 Japanese Masternode 🔥1000% ROI🔥Buy in ICO on: January 19, 2018, 02:47:54 PM
wall of text
ANOTHER copy paste coin? Seriously?
For me this is a big red flag. I dont understand how people are oblivious to this but dont say you havent been warned.

Another copy paste coin? ....yes, as are 90% of coins on the market today. Doesn't mean they can't be profitable though. I got in at $0.50/coin. Now have 4 masternodes running and have already pulled out my original investment. The point is, just because a coin is a copy of another, doesn't necessarily mean it's a scam or a bad investment.
Im not saying that. Im saying that this particular coin is by the same dev that is essentially abandoning the old coin to do the same thing all over (ico bonus money included) all over. That you made your money back from this ponzi scheme like attitude doesnt make it any better.
People like him will end up suicidal once the market retreats and they realize that they wasted their time buying up shitcoins that will evaporate over night. This is a recurring theme in the world of finance for as long as money has existed.

Yes, I have no problem putting money into shitcoins as long as I feel I can make a profit. I'm also invested in more substantial coins. Crypto trading is nothing more than a fun hobby to me. I haven't put in a single dollar of my own money into the market since 2015 and have pulled out multiple times what I've ever put in. So even if every holding I have tanked to $0 overnight, I'll be more than ok. Still have my life savings, still have my 9-5. I've held coins that I've lost thousands on and I've had coins I've made thousands on. As long as I'm to the plus at the end, that's all that matters.
Those are some pretty mediocre ambitions. If you didn't throw money at shitcoins you could've been retiring in luxury by now if you've really been in the markets since 2015. And even now, you would be able to get to that point by 2020ish. That takes little bit more than throwing money at ponzis and playing the crypto lottery though.

I have been in Bitcoin since 2014. Mid 2015 was the last time I put money into the market. My gains every year have more than exceeded my projected returns and I am quite happy with my growth and strategy, thanks. My methods of addressing the market have proved profitable to me and I will waste no more time conversing with you on the matter as you clearly do not understand long term market approach. By your logic, everyone who's been in crypto a couple years should be millionaires and everyone who's played the stock market for a decade should be Bill Gates rich. That's just not logical nor realistic.

From your fake negative trust reviews for the dev of Tokugawa, to your constant FUD of this and other projects, and your daily comments on numerous boards offering nothing more than discouragement and FUD...just proves that you offer nothing to the crypto community as a whole and only hope to profit off the sale of your username to the highest bidder. Everyone on this thread and others knows your game and I'd be surprised if anyone believes your comments.
Virtually every single coin has been getting pumped in the past year. A donkey could make profits if not given the opportunity to trade (and thus screw himself), without even needing a strategy. Also, there's nothing fake about facts. Neither am I just spreading FUD everywhere. The fact that you don't understand objective statements and facts speaks volumes about your ability to assess the markets, let alone creating a sound strategy. Good luck with your sock puppets and shills though, it's the only thing that can save you.
2314  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 19, 2018, 02:43:47 PM
Which is why it's all the more important to identify tokens that function as equity in a company with realistic and reaonable future prospects. The (overall) altcoin market is pretty insane for sure though. There are still people who believe in BCC apparently.

Have you ever seen an ICO company that says "There will only ever be [X] number of these ICO tokens issued. Each one represents a VALID and LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE equity ownership share of the company."

I haven't.
No, I haven't either. But equity hasn't always been regulated either. Regulation adapts to reality, not the other way around. Again, altcoins are extremely risky and require a lot of time and know-how to even have a chance of making profits without losing it down the road. But that doesn't mean that they're all bad.

Stocks carry very similar risks as well, despite being regulated. The lack of regulation is simultaneously a threat as well as an opportunity. It depends on the individual which aspect will outweigh the other.
2315  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Has anyone sold BTC won here in sig campaigns? how does tax work? on: January 19, 2018, 02:37:24 PM
In the future I would like to buy some property with my BTC once it's worth a lot. Even small amounts made on signature campaigns in here could be worth a lot and may I want to diversify into real state in say 5 years or so.

I was wondering how would this be done? Im scared because we get daily news of any bank account that has to do with Bitcoin being frozen. I wouldn't like to be treated a criminal when I obtained my Bitcoin posting here... any help?
Whatever you earn is taxed as income, and the change in exchange rate would be taxed as capital gains depending on your holding period. I recommend keeping very close tabs on your earning and trades if you ever want to cash out into fiat without being heavily fined or even worse.


You basically have to pay your taxes at the end of every year for whatever you've earned for signature campaigns.

And then capital gains once you trade your Bitcoin for another altcoin or fiat.
2316  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 19, 2018, 02:33:12 PM
Which is why it's all the more important to identify tokens that function as equity in a company with realistic and reaonable future prospects. The (overall) altcoin market is pretty insane for sure though. There are still people who believe in BCC apparently.
2317  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 19, 2018, 02:25:19 PM
You are 100% right with everything, except the conclusion. The LN establishment as altcoin killer will not happen overnight, it's a process that will have markings on the wall as the journey unfolds. There will be plenty of time for anyone reasonable to exit the altcoins in time. Meanwhile, they are the vehicle to increase your BTC stash, which is in essence what Dabs said. I absolutely don't see anything wrong with it.

Except that the majority, like 90+%, won't increase their BTC stash with altcoin trading. They'll actually lose money, and would have just been better off buying bitcoin and holding it instead. The [altcoin]/btc ratio trailing downward on the majority of altcoins proves my point.
That's also a symptom of every financial market (or even game) though. Most people impulsively flail their arms around and end up losing. So rather than an indicator to stay out it's an indicator to pay more attention than the crypto masses, which you are already doing by being in Bitcoin in the first place (which the mainstream is not). This only works with sufficient time to spare though. With a full-time job I'd just hold onto my Bitcoins, but since I don't have one I can play the alt market (with great success, out performing both the overall market as well as BTC as a benchmark).
2318  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Here is a tip for all the noobs, all the SMART MONEY is in on: January 19, 2018, 02:21:30 PM
Here is a tip for all the noobs,  all the smart money have their biggest positions in NEO, ICX, VEN, BNB and AION.  Cheers.
No.
2319  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 19, 2018, 02:15:30 PM
The problem I have with altcoins, is this:

Once Bitcoin established itself as a near-perfect digital gold 2.0 like store of value, as well as something that can be used online as a currency, then investing in anything else trying to do the same thing (i.e., an also ran) made zero logical sense.

If people want to gamble with also-rans that's fine. But there is a deep seated fallacy in comparing a fly-by-night project that all it has to show for itself is a single anonymous dev, an online token, and a back-of-the-napkin scribbled future roadmap as even being in the same league as Bitcoin.

I also have a real issue with also-ran cryptos that claim to have solutions to problems that don't exist, or will never really exist. App-based tokens. History is literally littered with such IT projects that go nowhere and do nothing. Especially pay-to-play apps, that will compete with other apps that are free and do the same thing. That is beyond absurd.

You are 100% right with everything, except the conclusion. The LN establishment as altcoin killer will not happen overnight, it's a process that will have markings on the wall as the journey unfolds. There will be plenty of time for anyone reasonable to exit the altcoins in time. Meanwhile, they are the vehicle to increase your BTC stash, which is in essence what Dabs said. I absolutely don't see anything wrong with it.
I see it more as Bitcoin = USD, alts = equity (of a new "world"). Don't really care about currency type alts, although I'm sure there will be a number of them even with LN. Just look at the formation of countries and traditional currencies, there's no compelling reason to believe that this won't be mirrored in crypto as well. But the very fact that currency type alts have zero fundamentals to base investment decisions on is reason enough for me to pretty much stay out of those and stick with equity type coins.
2320  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 19, 2018, 02:12:04 PM
The problem I have with altcoins, is this:

Once Bitcoin established itself as a near-perfect digital gold 2.0 like store of value, as well as something that can be used online as a currency, then investing in anything else trying to do the same thing (i.e., an also ran) made zero logical sense.

If people want to gamble with also-rans that's fine. But there is a deep seated fallacy in comparing a fly-by-night project that all it has to show for itself is a single anonymous dev, an online token, and a back-of-the-napkin scribbled future roadmap as even being in the same league as Bitcoin.

I also have a real issue with also-ran cryptos that claim to have solutions to problems that don't exist, or will never really exist. App-based tokens. History is literally littered with such IT projects that go nowhere and do nothing. Especially pay-to-play apps, that will compete with other apps that are free and do the same thing. That is beyond absurd.

You think that if a company that had a Twitter-like app came out, but had a token that they made you buy in order to use it (for "fuel"), that they could in any way compete with Twitter (a free app)? No. Fucking. Way.
That's exactly how I see it, which is why I don't buy and hold any significant quantities of currency type coins. I'm more interested in startups that are using the blockchain as a means of gaining the necessary liquidity for them to actually start off.

The social media type tokens that you mentioned are also a prime example of what doesn't realistically have a future. It could just work out (because people are pretty weird creatures), but there's no compelling reason to start using a platform that requires you to throw money at it in any form when there are free and ad-run solutions, however shady they may be (which most people don't care about due to ease of access).

Don't get me wrong, it takes a damn lot of digging and perhaps even a bit of luck to identify something that isn't just a bunch of out-of-college kids or other dweebs trying to capitalize on the most recent hype without having the required ideas, skills or perserverence to create something successful. But as with every market, there are always a few gems to be found. Granted of the ones with real potential many will never reach their potential or just outright fail, but that's where diversification comes into play.

With all this said, I am 100% convinced that there will be a flood of tears at some point in crypto history, where a lot of people will lose pretty much everything. But that's not something that is unique to altcoins and has happened with every hype before.
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