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2301  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: If new version source exist in network, all follow? on: March 25, 2018, 06:33:28 PM
Nodes don't auto-update. Version numbers are ignored for the most part, as any node could fake the wrong version number. The only thing that matters is that all nodes follow the same protocol rules (eg. blocksize, block reward, etc).

If new nodes enter the network with looser protocol rules (eg. allowing larger blocks than before), old nodes will continue enforcing the tighter protocol rules, ignoring blocks that the new nodes accept into their version of the blockchain -- a hard fork occurs.

If new nodes enter the network with tighter protocol rules (eg. SegWit), old nodes will accept the new blocks even though they can't properly interpret them and the transaction history doesn't diverge -- a soft fork occurs.

Both cases only depend on the protocol rules as enforced by the respective nodes. Neither case depends on the version number or a forced upgrade.

Note that the transaction history is untouched either way -- balances are just the sum of incoming and outgoing transactions, as stored in the blockchain. New transactions may or may not get accepted into the network, but old transactions remain, thus balances are unchanged until a transaction under the new (or old) rules is made.
2302  Other / Meta / Re: Local board solution on: March 22, 2018, 03:18:19 PM
Could you rephrase what it is that you are suggesting? I fail to fully parse the meaning of your post
I made examples, if there is something that you didn't understand, please quote it and I will rephrase it, thanks Smiley
I will re-explain this point
Example : we will create a new sub like this : Other languages/locations/Ukrainian
Now Ukrainian is a sub where we can open many topics inside it talking about local press, services, altcoins, trading...etc, i just suggested to impose a clear title that will help the mods to monitor this sub and to rearrange those topics once a proper board will be opened later. More examples :
Other languages/locations /Ukrainian/[PRESS] New Ukrainian exchange opened.
Other languages/locations  /Ukrainian/[ANN][ALTCOIN] New shitcoin
Etc...

Ah, so you are suggesting a process on how new language boards can be added and grown if need be? Looking at the "Other languages/locations" board and seeing the Ukrainian sticky thread I think I know understand your problem. Question being of course at which point one considers a local community big enough to warrant a board of their own.
2303  Other / Meta / Re: Local board solution on: March 22, 2018, 02:38:23 PM
Could you rephrase what it is that you are suggesting? I fail to fully parse the meaning of your post, but regarding your polling options:

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Create specific subs under Other languages/locations until they get their local board!
That's pretty much already the case. Some local boards have fewer sub boards than others, but I guess the availability of sub boards is mostly more or less proportional to the active users in a given language.

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Create a local board for every country!
That's a shitload of local boards. Also many countries consist of multiple languages, so you'd be back to square one.

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Create a local board for every major language!
Which major languages are missing?

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Regroup it in different local boards by specific zone (e.g southeast Asia) or language family
Larger geographic zones such as Southeast Asia usually contain multiple, highly differentiated language families and writing systems. Languages within the same language family still can differ widely.


From my perspective the current Local Board situation works quite fine, even though I'm more active on the regular, english boards instead of my "native" boards (in my case: German). The situation may be different for other native speakers though, but I obviously can't speak for boards that I can't read, let alone use.
2304  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: How will Lightning Network be encouraged to use? on: March 22, 2018, 10:06:22 AM
Hi, can someone eplain to me what lightnig network is all about?

In short:

Fast and cheap monetary transactions without relying on any third parties such as banks or credit card companies.


More lengthy explanation:

Bitcoin enables monetary transactions between two or more parties without relying on central entities such as banks or credit card companies. This works fine if you only have a limited number of users, but gets more difficult the more active users there are. This is because only a limited number of transactions can be handled per second. Lightning Network enables more transactions per seconds by bundling up multiple transactions into payment channels, that is you get multiple transactions for the price of two: Opening and closing a payment channel.


That's as deep as I would get into it without knowing how familiar you are with cryptocurrencies and the scaling debate of the last few months. I hope it gives you a starting point.

If you feel like binging Wikipedia, the Wikipedia page for Lightning Network should give you a rough overview, sprinkled with links to other concepts that you might potentially need to get familiar with:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_Network
2305  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Technical information on ASIC mining on: March 21, 2018, 10:06:14 AM
Thank you for your reply.
So what is the technology and what are the cryptographic methods used by ASICs?

Thanks again!

ASIC stands for application specific integrated circuit -- they are used for all sorts of things, that require simple calculations, fast.

In the case of Bitcoin, they are basically the SHA-256 hashing algorithm implemented in hardware, rather than software. This makes ASICs faster than software being run on top of CPUs or GPUs. The downside is, that ASICs can do only one thing, and one thing only.

Note that cryptographic hashes are different from regular encryption -- they are neither symmetric or asymmetric, they are simply one-way cryptographic functions. That is, unlike symmetric or asymmetric encryption schemes there is no key that can be used to retrieve the original data.
2306  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: How is algorithm's review of currently popular? on: March 21, 2018, 09:09:09 AM
I think main reason SHA256 is still popular is because it was tested through and through. No collisions was ever found (and there a lot of efforts were put into it, check out Large Bitcoin Collider), it is safe fast and known and what is most important - serves it's purpose well.

The Large Bitcoin Collider is searching for private keys that contain a balance, not a SHA-256 collision. One of the good things about SHA-256 though is that it's used a lot outside of cryptocurrencies as well, so the vested interests in knowing whether SHA-256 is still safe to use stretch beyond the crypto community.

Also worth noting is that different hashing algorithms serve different purposes -- depending on your point of view and use case, SHA-256's fastness is arguably also its downside.
2307  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: How is algorithm's review of currently popular? on: March 20, 2018, 10:20:37 PM
So from Bitcoin's SHA256, there are many algorithm out there so far.

What is those's brief overview features, pros, cons?

What is best algorithm and why?

In general you can use any cryptographic hash function as part of your PoW scheme. "Cryptographic" being the important part, as there are also hash functions that are not cryptographically secure.

So what's being used? Let's take a look at our top 10 PoW mineable coins according to Coinmarketcap:

1) Bitcoin -- SHA-256, obviously

2) Ethereum -- Ethash (note: Is planning to switch to PoS)

3) Bitcoin Cash -- SHA-256

4) Litecoin -- Scrypt (note: Is already overtaken by ASICs)

5) Monero -- CryptoNight

6) Ethereum Classic -- Ethash

7) Bitcoin Gold -- Equihash

8) Zcash -- Equihash

9) Verge -- Multiple hashing algorithms: Scrypt, X17, Lyra2rev2, myr-groestl and blake2s

10) ByteCoin -- CryptoNight


Most alt coins try to select PoW schemes that would be hard to implement as an ASIC. In especially ambitious cases they try to select algorithms that make it hard for GPUs to gain an edge over CPUs as well. In many cases this is achieved by requiring a lot of working memory / RAM, which especially for ASICs represent a challenge. Given enough financial incentive though, even those PoW schemes sometimes get broken (eg. Scrypt).

So it's not really a question of pros and cons, but rather a question of how ASIC resistant the PoW scheme really is, which is hard to gauge without in-depth research of each particular hashing algorithm. If you feel particularly fancy you could even look for hashing algorithms that are likely to be quantum-proof, albeit that might be still be a bit too premature to evaluate for sure.

Note there's also a case for ASIC mining making a cryptocurrency more secure due to the requirement of dedicated hardware. However that's a different debate.



Thanks for the lulz :D
2308  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Question about computation power for purposeful modification of blockchain data on: March 20, 2018, 03:49:26 PM
1) So far no SHA-256 collision has been found and short of either a) an unknown security hole in SHA-256 or b) major improvements in computing (assuming for example quantum computers having an advantage in solving SHA-256 over traditional architectures) it's not going to happen any time soon.

For reference:
https://crypto.stackexchange.com/questions/47809/why-havent-any-sha-256-collisions-been-found-yet


2) Even if you'd overwrite the illegal content with random data that still checks out, there's nothing stopping anyone from adding new illegal content to the blockchain.
2309  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: What is maximum possible number for MAX_MONEY variable? on: March 20, 2018, 01:06:50 PM
From programming perspective, what number this can be at its max?

If by programming perspective you mean the data type being used -- currently Bitcoin uses 64 bit integers for transaction amounts.

Since one bit is being used for the sign (+/-) the largest number this data type can handle is 2^63 = 9,223,372,036,854,775,807 (= 9.22e+18)

So yeah, from a data type perspective it could be "something like 100000000000000000" (= 1.0e+17).

But no, from a protocol perspective such a transaction would be invalid.
2310  Other / Meta / Re: Mod, please check new plagiarism: Reporting copy/pasting, please permban on: March 19, 2018, 06:09:22 PM
Jr. Member isomoyes


Proof of work is a protocol that has the main goal of deterring cyber-attacks such as a distributed denial-of-service attack (DDoS) which has the purpose of exhausting the resources of a computer system by sending multiple fake requests.

Copy/pasted from here:
https://blog.monetha.io/proof-work-vs-proof-stake-explained/

Same post:

The Proof of work concept existed even before bitcoin, but Satoshi Nakamoto applied this technique to his digital currency revolutionizing the way traditional transactions are set.

In fact, PoW idea was originally published by Cynthia Dwork and Moni Naor back in 1993, but the term “proof of work” was coined by Markus Jakobsson and Ari Juels in a document published in 1999.

Paraphrased from here:
https://captainaltcoin.com/proof-work-vs-proof-stake/


Coincheck, the Japanese exchange that lost ~$550 million worth of NEM to hackers, will stop dealing with Monero, Dash and Zcash. The trading platform has recognized the risk posed by these cryptocurrencies which provide high levels of anonymity. Half of the NEM coins stolen in the hack may have been converted already on the darknet, a cybersecurity expert claims.

Copy / pasted from here:
https://news.bitcoin.com/coincheck-drops-anonymous-monero-dash-zcash/


The G20’s announcement that it will pivot away from creating new regulations in favor of examining existing rules gave the cryptocurrency market a much needed seeing Bitcoin surge by $1000.

 Mark Carney, Governor of the Bank Of England and outspoken critic of Bitcoin heads the Financial Stability Board which coordinates financial regulation for the Group of 20 economies.

Carney has been very vocal about his doubts concerning the credibility of cryptocurrency in the past speaking as the head of the Bank of England.

Deciding that there was not enough of a consensus to create radical new regulation among the 20 countries that make up the G20 the FSB issued a letter to the central bankers and finance ministers who will convene in Buenos Aries on the 19 and 20 saying

Copy / pasted and paraphrased from here:
https://www.newsbtc.com/2018/03/19/g20-announces-no-new-regulations-and-bitcoin-shoots-up-1000/


2311  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Controlling Bitcoin on: March 18, 2018, 01:30:35 PM
People always seem to have some pretty interesting ideas on how "control" supposedly works in Bitcoin.  In my own personal view, everyone has just enough control in order to make it so that no one has overall control.  Users, developers and miners all contribute, but none of them can unilaterally force a change on the network which the other participants don't agree with.  The alignment of incentives usually keeps everything in check, but when there is a strong disagreement and consensus can't be achieved, users, devs and miners are all free to leave and use another chain which can then compete on the open market for survival.

I think that's the beauty of Bitcoin's governance.

Sure, things get messy sometimes. But in a way the Bitcoin community has managed to organically organize itself similar to the Separation of Power that is the basis of today's democracies. Only instead of a legislature, an executive and a judiciary we have developers, miners and users. I might be biased, but in my opinion Bitcoin has managed to uphold this balance much better than most of the alts.
2312  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Mining a bitcoin costs about as much as buying one these days on: March 17, 2018, 07:03:50 PM
The current break-even point for Bitcoin mining is $8,038.
That said, whether or not mining still makes sense, depends a lot on where you are.

You managed to contradict yourself in two lines.
If we have a certain break-even point that is situated at x value then it matters not where you live.

I don't see the contradiction, I just made a point about mining, the line after the breakpoint wasn't about it. The breakpoint was just math, something that I might have done wrong or maybe not, but we can discuss more about that if you want.

You made two assertions that are in direct conflict:

1) The break-even point is the same for each miner. ("The current break-even point for Bitcoin mining is $8,038.")

2) The break even point is different for each miner. ("That said, whether or not mining still makes sense, depends a lot on where you are.")


So which one is it?
2313  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Mining a bitcoin costs about as much as buying one these days on: March 17, 2018, 11:36:14 AM
The current break-even point for Bitcoin mining is $8,038.

Based on what?

As you already put it:

whether or not mining still makes sense, depends a lot on where you are.

The break-even Bitcoin price is different for each mining operation as it largely depends on cost of 1) hardware, 2) infrastructure, 3) maintenance and 4) electricity. Those 4 parameters vary wildly from operation to operation so there's no singular break-even point for Bitcoin mining.

As long as the hashrate of the Bitcoin network increases beyond mere hardware improvements one can assume that Bitcoin mining is still largely profitable. Only once the network hashrate stagnates and adjusts itself to a decreasing Bitcoin price we'll see where the effective "break-even point" of Bitcoin lies.
2314  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Can someone have my private key ? on: March 17, 2018, 09:18:18 AM
So, I had this question in my mind for a little time and now I think I really need an answer.
If you create a btc address you get the private key of that address, what if this address is already in use ?
I know there is a really low probability but this can happen, am I right ?

It can happen if your wallet uses a faulty RNG (= random-number generator). That is, a biased / predictable RNG that results in a greatly reduced keyspace.

This happened back in 2013 and shows the importance of properly implementing security standards:

https://thehackernews.com/2013/08/hacking-bitcoin-android-vulnerability-digital-wallets.html


Short of such software implementation failures the chance of a private key collusion is, as already mentioned by the other posters, infinitesimal.


Regardless of that you might want to check out the Large Bitcoin Collider that tries to put your worries to the test in practice:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1877935.0

2315  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why on: March 16, 2018, 08:45:42 PM
But why the newly found block adds only 8 of them to the block chain??

Because that is the number of transactions that the block builder included in their block.

who controls how many will be added to the block chain??

The person that builds the block (or more specifically, the software that is being used by that person).

When a solo-miner or mining pool builds the block to be mined, they get to choose which valid transactions (if any) they want to include.  As long as they only choose valid transactions, and the sum of weights of all the transactions that they choose doesn't exceed the block weight limit, the block is valid.


To add to what DannyHamilton said:

Miners have the incentive to publish a newly found block as quickly as possible, because if someone else beats them to the punch their block may be orphaned and they miss out on the block reward.

So if for some reason their mining software had only 8 transactions prepared for inclusion at the time the new block was found, it gets immediately published regardless of how much block space would have been left. These sort of blocks often happen when a new block has been found exceptionally fast (for example within a 1 minute interval instead of the expected 10 minute interval), meaning that the mining software had yet to catch up with validating the previous block and checking which transactions are still left in the mempool. Keep in mind that accidentally including an already confirmed transaction would invalidate the block you just found, meaning a loss of block reward, which means that the safest bet for a miner is to only include transactions of which they know that they wouldn't lead to an invalid block -- which in the most extreme form leads to the mining of an empty block, as in this case they only include a single transaction that is absolutely guaranteed to be valid -- the coinbase transaction, ie. their block reward.

In general though, miners are incentivized to include as many transactions as possible, as to gather transaction fees. So if a miner finds a new block while the transactions to be included have already been prepared -- which, as mentioned above, can take some time -- they would be stupid to simply leave them out.
2316  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Panic sellers, please head for the exit (and don't come back) on: March 15, 2018, 11:53:51 PM
I think its a bit harsh to tell them to go away, I understand the frustration when people just so consumed with the news and dont used their clear judgement and end up causing the price to fall down, but they are doing panic sell because they don't understand the situation, nobody want to sell their coin in low price, we should teach them how to handle the situations better, not asked them to quit investing

Honestly, I think telling panic sellers to leave the space and not to invest in it is just the right message.

Well, actually it's the right message at the wrong time. We probably should have told panic sellers to go away when they were still panic buyers.

Most of those people panic selling now should probably never have invested to begin with. Buying out of FOMO is just as bad, if not worse, than selling out of fear because the sky is falling. I'm actually more worried about them than I'm about short- to mid-term market developments. But that's because I know where I stand and have entered the market out of conviction and not just out of greed. Well, maybe a little bit of greed.



Instead of asking them to go away .. you should give a kind suggestion .. because we never wore their shoes.

The kind suggestions would have been 1) to never invest more than you can afford to lose and 2) to not invest into something you don't understand.

Once you're panic selling it shows you likely failed to follow at least one of these kind suggestions.





On a sidenote:

[...] news about Google Ads and Facebook [...]

Good riddance. Those ads were mostly scams to begin with and rarely advertised projects of actual value.
2317  Other / Off-topic / Re: Your opinion on cascaded algorithms on: March 15, 2018, 04:26:16 PM
Unless performance is of concern (eg. encryption / decryption taking too long or eating up too much CPU) I don't see any harm done. Whether it's really necessary or improves security all that much is a different question of course, but I guess rather safe than sorry? Keep in mind though that other attack vectors may still exist, eg. whenever your wallet.dat file is accessed and unencrypted.
2318  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Has the era of speculation gone? on: March 15, 2018, 10:09:33 AM
Oh definitely. And it's going to be much more brutal than anyone can imagine so far, because...

excellent projects will get better and better

...these are close to non-existent...

air-to-air or me too projects with no core competitiveness will die

...while these make up the vast majority of the market. Coins and tokens in the top 10 market cap included.


To be honest, I think the only blockchain projects that are going to survive long term are the decentralized ones driven by community efforts such as Bitcoin and some of the mineable / stakeable alts. Companies serving these communities are likely to do well as well (eg. Coinbase, BitPay, etc.)

Every other startup-based cryptocurrency / token project is likely to either crash and burn or to pivot, given that their scopes are usually beyond feasibility, their use case of questionable utility and often both.
2319  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Are there any ideas? on: March 13, 2018, 04:37:24 PM
If you entered cryptocurrencies because you believe in the tech, you should know better than to worry -- unless you invested more than you can afford to lose, in which case, good luck.

If you only entered cryptocurrencies because the price was going up, sorry for your loss.

In the end it's up to you whether you have enough confidence in cryptocurrencies to sit it out, or whether you deem it wiser to cut your losses and move on. Either way there's no short cut and no easy way out.

Welcome to crypto.
2320  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Would it be possible to implement a cryptocurrency with distribution of wealth? on: March 13, 2018, 02:16:06 PM
You should look into universal basic income, if you haven't already. If you look into UBI you will find some ideas that pretty much align with what you are suggesting. There are also practical experiments, both past and ongoing, looking into the matter. Using a cryptocurrency as means of distribution would of course lend itself to the idea, but it's not an easy problem to solve, especially with both UBI and cryptocurrencies being rather unexplored fields.

Here's a list of pilot projects that may interest you:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_income_pilots


I see that nobody here knows how a socialist or communist person is, you guys never talked to one I notice that, that is why you say nobody will be motivated by the currency, not all people in the world is motivated by the money like you guys, for example think about almost any scientist or a lot of students, they don't learn and do science for the money, they do it because they like knowledge, and that is just a quick example.

Of course there are a lot of passion jobs where money is secondary, but at the end of the day they still require money to continue their work. You can't just look at individuals in isolation without their socio-economic surroundings.

Also note that while researchers may not be in it for the money, a lot of them still get paid fairly well and rightfully so.

Point being, it doesn't matter if parts of the population don't care about money. As long as there are some people striving for wealth, they will try to exploit the current system. And if they are able to exploit the system, that's exactly what they will do -- at the cost of everyone else who "doesn't care about money".

Even if your main intention is to spread wealth evenly amongst the populace, as long as there are some angles to exploit or positions of power to obtain, the approach is prone to failure due to human nature. Case in point, every implementation of Communism so far either digressed into a dictatorship or some form of centrally controlled capitalism.

Communism is easy to romance with if you never lived in it, but it's not a pretty system due to being relatively easy exploited from the top down. Maybe even moreso than Capitalism.


That being said, I'm convinced that due to technological and economical progress, some form of UBI will become a necessity in the future. It's going to be a very hard problem to solve though, regardless of whether it will involve cryptocurrencies or not.
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