In other words, you believe that someday a bitcoin will be worth $1 million (in today's dollars). That's a fact.
Maybe. Maybe not. Don't hold your breath. It's not guaranteed, and I believe that it is not likely. it's probable if you compare the ridiculous bitcoin marketcap to the giants out there, maybe 1M is too much of a fantasy but up to 00k is more than probable people are forgetting that right now no big investors is playing with bitcoin, if rich people enter in the market, $10k would be the bar minimum for the value |
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Side note: What calculator do you use on these machines for ROI guesses?
Just want to be on same page to follow on the thread
whattomine say 0.01 earning with nicehash or adzcoin, the pool say the same, i highly doubt that estimate is so far off, i dunno why people think you will need 2 years to roi...just haters i guess Please put on a list on how many do you want?
Copy it and add yourself to the list
I'm not sure about the price but at the moment 10or more will be 1949 (free shipping if more than 1) but if we hit 20 or 30 it might lower even more
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i want 1 Amph, but who will escrow this? I purchased one earlier and I ordered directly from Baikal and paid with BTC. They are very responsive, sent a confirmation immediately, and shipped immediately. Of course if you want to use an escrow there are several good escrows here on the forum, but I have no issue with placing another order directly with Baikal. ah yes, but from them directly it cost me 2140 usd ship included, if i could get oen for 1900 it would be better |
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Please put on a list on how many do you want?
Copy it and add yourself to the list
I'm not sure about the price but at the moment 10or more will be 1949 (free shipping if more than 1) but if we hit 20 or 30 it might lower even more
Me(ihong154) 7
i want 1 Amph, but who will escrow this? |
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(Da leggere come il mio amico Arnold) : Che cavolo stai dicendo Amph  Davvero è come dici ? 0.16 € ma compreso di tutto ? trasporto e oneri di sistema ? io ieri ho ricevuto la bolletta enel e mia moglie ha chiamato il 118 perchè son rimasto fermo per 34 minuti. 840 kwh per un totale iva compresa di 188 euro (a cui aggiungere 18 di sto cazzo di canone) quindi 188/840 , sto pagando inva compresa 0.22 euro a Kwh si 0.166 per l'esattezza, non tutte le offerte però solo alcune, basta notare che ora anche le più care stanno sui 0.22 invece di 0.25-26 cerca su internet confronto luce, trovi molti gestori a 0.166(tutto incluso) quando l'anno scorso stavano a 0.25 |
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Buongiorno a tutti...
Molto interessante il discorso, anch'io ci stò studiando sopra.
Dunque vediamo l'ipotesi..
Ring ether 480 completo di casa, matherboard, e trsformatore, nuovo costa 2200,00 Euro con un consumo di 1200 W/h
Impianto fotovoltaico da 3 kw senza accumolo costa 6000 euro con detrazione del 50% siamo sui 3000 (ma cmq devi averli tutti i 600 quando comperi)
Dunque un ring da 480 per minare ether produce 1.1 ether al giorno che fanno circa 330 euro am mese e 3960 euro l'anno 24/24
consumo energia sono 1.2 kw/h x24 x 30 x 12=10370 kw x 0,15 Euro = 1555 euro /anno
dunque: 2200 ring
300 internet
6000 fotovoltaico
1555 consumo
tot 10055,00 euro di investimento
rientri sono: 3960,00 euro ehter
2500,00 euro corrente elettrica
tot 6460,00 euro anno
se non ho sbagliato i conti abbiamo a fronte di un investimento di circa 10-11 mila euro abbiamo gia il primo anno un risparmio del 50%, senza calcolare il 50% di detrazione sul fotovoltaico e senza calcolare che ether prima del 2018 arriverà sicuro a 15, euro...voi che ne pensate di questa mia considerazione?
buona giornata a tutti
Per elencare gli errori che hai fatto ci vorrebbero ore... - si scrive Rig, non Ring - Un rig di 5 rx480 produce 0.39 ether al giorno, non 1.1 - kW/h non significa nulla, i Watt sono già una potenza, per misurare la quantità di energia si scrive kWh - L'energia a 0.15 euro a kWh non la trovi in italia. I contratti casalinghi stanno sui 0.25€ al kWh. - Un impianto da 3kWp non produce abbastanza corrente per alimentare un rig da 1.2kWh. Leggi il mio post precedente in questa discussione. non è esatto è gia entrata in vigore la legge che prevede l'annullamento della tariffa progressiva, gia adesso i costi sono sui 0.16 al kwh con wekiwi, enel e molti altri, e la mia bolletta segna 0.22 perché sono ancora allacciato ad iren mangia soldi 0.25 ormai è un lontano ricordo, in italia ora si puo minare tranquillamente |
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As of 2013-14 around 2 trillion Euros been spend via Credit cards in europe, which is equal to 2 Billion Bitcoins. But current Bitcoin in circulation is around 16.5 millions which is almost 120 times less , it means if all people in Europe will start using Bitcoins then it price might reach somewhere around 100,000 € per BTC or even more  it doesn't work like that, it must be done with the average amount that those people are willing to spend to acquire their bitcoin saying that many people will use bitcoin and this will increase value, might be incomplete, what if those people only buy 0.01 btc? they would not contribute to anything in terms of increase the value |
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They can do it and they are doing it. KNC were accused of such mining in the past. I also think BFL, which was a scam on many levels, also purposely delayed shipping to mine for themselves.
This is a great way to make money if you don't care about the company's reputation, but are entering the market for a quick buck.
the knc case was different, because they were directly producing their asic i remember this, therefore they were testing it quickly after the production is complete, i see no issue with this yes maybe they went to far with testing of some product, and delivered it later but it's different than what BFL did, which is plan scamming customers |
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Also, reading about Hal Finney being Swatted in his last year of life while suffering cancer, I am not curious why Satoshi would hide.
he was not suffering cancer, he was sick with ALS, which is much worse than cancer ever will be besides Hal there was another guy here with 200k coins that was arrested or something, i remember he was talking how police irrupted in his house with all these example satoshi made the right decision to remain hidden |
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in some third world country the energy(electricity) is very cheap they could buy some miners equpment or use their gaming rig, everyone has a pc nowadays don't tell me the opposite
and start to do some mining, a rig would earn you with very cheap electricity(below 5 cent) at least a net of $200 per month, then it will be possible to expand your farm slowly
If you are able, could you please give some definite numbers on 'how cheap' or 'expensive' electricity is in diff countries? I mean, I've never tried mining so I have no idea if my local electricity is considered cheap, or expensive/not worth it for mining. Some figures for comparison would help. Say, if you were from U.S. or UK, how much would you say is your average monthly electricity bill is? Mine is about $65 on average. That's with 2 laptops running almost 24/7. So, are you saying a single rig would earn at least twice that? Thanks! if you look at your bills, you can easily tell if your is expensive or not for mining, just look at the net price per kwh, should be 5-10 cent for mining right now you cna have a very small profit up to 25 cent, but it's not recommended to run a farm with that electricity if you like to have more info, it's easy to find on wikipedia about he electricity price per country |
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i think listening it on a small exchange will kill the initial value, it's better if you can start bigger with bittrex if they ever take in consideration your request...
on yobit i'm on the fence, i don't know if it could be good to list it there, of course poloniex is the best choice but unless they see hype they pretty much don't care
This coin needs extra coding to be compatible with exchanges. Its not like a regular Bitcoin, Litecoin, Eth clone. Hence the reason why it took a long time to get an exchange. Bittrex and Yobit never took the time to list PASC so I highly doubt they will go thru the extra coding to list PASL. It will either be Cryptoia or Bitsquare. ah didn't know about that, well we need cryptoia then |
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you must pay tax if your country use bitcoin as legal currency  there are no country that use bitcoin as a legal currency, but this not mean that you are not obliged to pay tax, from my udnerstanding you need only to pay if you sell for fiat if you keep your coins in cold storage no one will say anything, they have also no way to know how many bitcoin someone is holding |
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Very bravee buying a unit that has a 400 day ROI with free electricity at current prices...
calculator say 6 months, 0.01 per day, not mining dash but adz, without even considering instaming of new shit coin |
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i think listening it on a small exchange will kill the initial value, it's better if you can start bigger with bittrex if they ever take in consideration your request...
on yobit i'm on the fence, i don't know if it could be good to list it there, of course poloniex is the best choice but unless they see hype they pretty much don't care
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same, if it is $1900 including shipping everywhere and customs charge, i might be interested
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usually i ignore asic, but this x11 asic seems to be better than gpu right now, a quad cost $1200 = 2/3 of a 480 rig
it hash more btc per day while consuming only 160watt versus 800 watt at least, roi is 5 months only if the diff stay the same and surely less than any gpu rig out there
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Starnge situation whith cuda pascal mining. Run proxy, run miners for videoadapters, catch a block, and long silence for a next block... (low diff - pascal light). Again - run proxy...... catch a block - i think proxy for cuda have a bug...
you mean that you hit a bock faster if you restart the proxy every time? or just bad luck i suppose... Yes, five times in a row (during the day) yesterday. it's true i'm trying it, dunno if good luck or what, but i need a way to run the proxy with all the command without writing it again and again, is this possible via command line? No.  also something weird i noticed, when you run the miner for a long time, soem block are not acccounted, it say 100 block for example but then you look at the balance and it's not actually 5k coins but a bit less...and doing "refresh" isn't fixing it, seems they are lost edit...not working anymore, just good luck it was, or because if two people do it they would kill the purpose |
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Starnge situation whith cuda pascal mining. Run proxy, run miners for videoadapters, catch a block, and long silence for a next block... (low diff - pascal light). Again - run proxy...... catch a block - i think proxy for cuda have a bug...
you mean that you hit a bock faster if you restart the proxy every time? or just bad luck i suppose... Yes, five times in a row (during the day) yesterday. it's true i'm trying it, dunno if good luck or what, but i need a way to run the proxy with all the command without writing it again and again, is this possible via command line? |
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The only legit way to earn bitcoin with your investment/bankroll is to either invest in some trusted gambling platform or use those bitcoin to trade some alts. However both have some risk but if you choose trusted casino and alts with high trading volume than risk of losing your investment is very low.
what is your probability of winning in any gamble you are engaged? For how long have you been gambling? Do u think over time your probability of winning gambling has increased? For those encouraging gambling to acquire bitcoin, I just want us to analyse the probability of winning any of our gamble it's always bad it's gamble for a reason, your probabiblity of losing anythign is greater and always than the probability to win something but buying altcoin is not a real gamble like playing dice, if you by coins with a very low marketcap the chance of them going big is not so insignificant and your investment is very low risk sportbetting also have not a high risk if you bet on the team that have the better chance and you know that is going to win |
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usa citizens need to use coinbase or in alternative there is localbitcoin, you just need to give your wallet bitcoin adddress to receive your coins
for european i find kraken the bext exchange, no hassles, you do a sepa in 1 business day and buy your amount of coin, after that send them to your local wallet
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Why wouldn't you do something similar with your bitcoins?
because it would destroy a bit the anonimity of your coins, since with bitcoin we aim for more privacy and it would make your bitcoin more vulnerable i find that bitcoin should not be dislocated in many place like fiat which are insured by your bank, your coins are not insured by anything and it will make them more vulnerable if anything, unless you hold them on coinbase or akin |
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