my words were " so you are atleast moving slowly to see this." not 'closer to my position' so thats you lying by editing my own words to suit you.
but you do admit you changed your mind, thus atleast moving slowly to see this...

secondly..
where in the blockchain does it contain your home address, or anyones home address,
where in the blockchain does it contain your real name, or anyones real name,
bla bla bla
.. answer, no where.
bitcoin is pseudonymous in the sense that it never asks for personal identifiable information

the weakest point is not the ledger, its the human. even with dark coin and other practices of altcoins. if someone was to reveal their donation address, there are ways and methods to link it together.

for instance.
if you put funds into one address, mix it around through dark coin. deposit it into coinjoin, then move it to an exchange, swap it with litecoin, move the litecoin to another exchange and swap it back again.. YOU CAN STILL GET TRACED! if the government deemed you worthy of wasting their time on.

thus bitcoin cannot and should not concentrate on anonymizing data if humans cannot even protect themselves. its a fools errend.

bitcoin just needs to protect the ledger.. that is it.. again no matter what code you can ever think of adding to the bitcoin protocol to mask any believed traceability. those that truly want to find you and your funds, WILL find a way. as such with paper wallets or cascasius coins, which are off-chain(no logs), no protocol(passed hand-to-hand), no traceability, etc.. deemed as the perfect anonymous way to use bitcoins.. yet how many people have bank notes, gold coins and other physical assets seized.

yet,

i voted no too

+1

sol adoni, the biggest scammy person i have seen this winter.. he must have stockpiles of glue, as every rant  he makes feels like a drug induced waffle of garbage.

when will he realise that he is not getting anywhere with his attempts. now he is trying to be nakamoto.. how pathetic!

3 pages in on this topic and more pages on the other topic and the OP still has not got the point.

his anonymity worries are not bitcoin protocols problem. they are human decisions locally at those humans own computers. maybe some people want to be highly anonymous, maybe they dont.

bitcoin is not suppose to be a monetary system where people need to download 3 different programs, and lease a different building every 2 months to avoid arrest if regulations make it a offense to mine. bitcoin has no jurisdiction and it is a free market. all bitcoin needs to care about is the most simplest way to secure the bitcoin ledger. ...

human identification should be the purpose of humans to protect and be fully aware that what they transmit by mouth, on paper or on the internet, can be used against them..

there are atleast a couple dozen ways for people to become anonymous. but thats a human choice. and should be left to human freedoms to choose, and not to bloat bitcoin protocol in such a way it can reduce bitcoins base purpose, reduce the security of the ledger(bugs due to bloated code) or increase the resistance to access of bitcoins by having bloated software people need to download/configure.

in short: OP if you dont like bitcoins.. go play with darkcoins, and if EVERYONE wanted it, everyone would be using darkcoins and thus darkcoin would be the new leader.(or some other altcoin that is bloated with supposed 'anonymity' protections)

as for the decentralization stuff. i hope by now you have realized that decentralization has not been broken, and i can atleast see that you have edited the title of the other topic, so you are atleast moving slowly to see this.

now lets move onto centralization
it is a human preference to want to be centralized in regards to pools. bitcoin has not forced it... people have due to greed!.
bitcoins decentralization bases still exists and if people choose to they can EASILY decentralize their mining farm warehouses to help increase the physical security of their human body from being arrested, if regulations made mining an arrestable offense.

but thats all about human decision, human laws, and human jurisdictions, which are not applicable to the bitcoin protocol.

all bitcoin should be doing is concentrating on securing the ledger.... end of..
what people choose to do with those funds, what identifiable information people choose to give away is their choice. and no matter what extra code could be injected into any altcoin protocol to attempt to hide identity. anonymity can still collapse by people chatting to much about their real world lives. thus it makes it a fools errend,

bitcoin has never asked for people birth certificate registration numbers, never asked for social security numbers, never asked for an IP address that is registered to you the person, never asked for email or home addresses. thus any identifiable information gleamed from the blockchain, is because of humans lack of protecting themselves.

take bank notes for instance. people consider them anonymous because there is no electronic trail, it never asks for identification just to use. but because of human decision, many people will still get funds seized. again its not the fault of the bank note. but the human.

so in practice as long as a currency does what it is suppose to do(fungeability/secure value), then it does not matter what governments try to do. its upto the people to choose their own preferences on how they use it. and that's something no protocol in the world can dictate.

you have had 5 pages of trying to say how decentralised mining is broke.. but then talk about centralised mining and amlkyc of centralised exchanges... try to stick on topic or realise your wrong about your topic. so which is it regulations hurt the big centralised mining farms and exchanges. or regulations cant stop decentralised exchanges and microfarms

but lets answer your numbered points.
1a. i do fast on-chain transactions and trades everyday.. so do hundreds of thousands of others. much much faster then the centralised banking system that can take upto 3-5 days.
1b. AMLKYC is only for fiat based transactions. EG exchanges that only do crypto (not fiat) dont need amlkyc. but if new york becomes the first area that attempts to make bitcoin part of their jurisdiction, then people will just trade elsewhere. its not a fault of bitcoin, thats a fault of humans choice to not lobby for such rules to be abolished.

2. bitcoin doesnt need ring signatures, there are plenty of ways to move funds without anything more than bitcoin-core. put short, move funds to a different address and if anyone asks tell people you gave it to dick, jane and harry. then move funds again into new addresses. bitcoin doesnt need anything new. just human choice on how they reveal real life info to a bitcoin address.

3. PoW algorithm is not out of reach. infact out of 7 billion people we still have not even got to 1 million people to even try yet. so you are trying to cook the gg before its even been laid. just wait until the top 50 organizations take bitcoin on, you will see that instead of maybe 5 big players, you will see 50+ big players and each of those will separately have ways to allow their smaller clients to get their share. thus making decentralisation stronger, not weaker.

you have not even seen bitcoins potential yet or understood the strengths.. certainly not when your topic talks about decentralisation being broke but then you meander to talk about solo mining farms not being able to hide or avoid regulation due to masses of rigs they cant move. you are contradicting yourself..

i can easily set up a mining farm in japan, a mining farm in europe and one in australia i can then either keep them as separate entities and mine separate to each other, or combine the hashpower to point to one server IP
with that said. that one location is just a pool manager software tool on a single server that receives all information from around the world. thus if the authorities track my IP and it happen to be in new york for instance.. all they will find is a server.. they shut down the server and all my rigs across the world hop over to another server in seconds and continue mining.

i do not need the bitcoin-core devs to change a thing.
and with that analogy i am proving that decentralisation is not broken. but infact PEOPLE are not choosing to be decentralised enough. for instance Ghash can keep their hash power, but scatter the rigs across different locations. making decentralisation the cure to your worries. and not the worry itself.

its because if ur a hacker that managed to get ur email and username and is now trying to get passed the 2factor... they can atleast have the name and address and face of said person...

think of it from the perspective os someone else trying to get your account... i bet you would then love them and thank them for doing extra checks, rather then just saying. "come on in"

now thats funny.
i do thank you for realising the difference between the code and physical/human issues. where by you are seemingly running out of arguments concerning the code and now moving onto talking about a physical building and the way humans choose to mine in a certain location, so again thank you.

now that your worrys of the code being broke seem to be subsiding and now the worry of physical location. this too has been talked about a hell of alot over the last few years, and again it does not mean decentralised mining is broke or unrescuable.

i think you have to have a few more pokes in the right direction to see that bitcoin as a whole and decentralized mining as a whole will continue for decades and that the only worry is human choices in regards to how they hide themselves physically(location), identifiably(online data revelations), financially. you will see that those things have nothing to do with the mining software or bitcoin. and are all human choices.

so lets poke you a bit in the direction..
1. if regulation was to come about people WILL move. as such people are already moving out of new york now. EG bitcoin foundation is now in london
2. regulations take time. months infact. more than enough for someone to recode their network software to be more stealthy. more than enough time to ship devices abroad and set up
3. even if one large farm gets shut down due to lack of care, other people will continue to mine on different pools. in short bitcoin wont die if 1 mining farm gets shut down
4. the whole bases of being decentralized is actually better then your worrying scenario's. because you are talking as if every bitcoin miner is in a centralized location. thus meaning centralized/solo mining is dead and cant be rescued. not decentralized.
5. if someone had the choice to continue running a mining farm in NY when its regulated fully. risking getting shutdown for good. OR lose 1 weeks potential income to move everything.. they will choose to move.
6. even if you continue to mine in NY, its easy to say that your a remote mining host for users. and that you are not the one in receipt of the 25btc per block.

nothing needs to be changed on the protocol, just how humans interact and make choices is the only thing that needs to change.

all of your worries (which you cant simply stick to one worry before its slapped to the ground) have been talked about multiple times, and solutions, idea's, concepts. predictions etc have all come from it.

and too be honest im starting to think you are now playing a game that has 3 parts
1. make people panic over nothing
2. mention hubris as many times as possible (must be your word of the week)
3. mention coinjoin as many times as possible.

we begin near the end of the story. what we see is all the landmass of the world covered in cables, machines, and piping. the human population is nearly extinct apart from a few sneaking around avoiding the security drones that have mechanical arms to scoop up people. you hear people shouting to watch out for the squids. these machines are sentient, self-managing, self-repairing machines. and their goal, like humans is simply to survive and grow.

we now rewind back 50 years to the year 2020, where we see a group of guys in a abandoned warehouse filled with bitcoin mining rigs, the guys are busy either connecting new rigs, ordering rigs or coding. as we get closer to the guy coding we can see that he is attempting to develop a code that automatically orders a new mining rig every time his pool solves a block, to ensure least delay in upgrading their mining farm.
we fast forward slightly and now to a year later and see that they have bought a basic remote controlled mechanical arm that lifts a mining rig away from the amazon delivery drone and then sets the mining rig up to the network.
in a distant window we see the guys relaxing and enjoying the freedoms of their automated process and they discuss what to do next to ensure that nothing will mess with their equipment one of the guys has on a VR headset playing a game, not really taking much notice of his friends around him.

the coder begins to connect security camera's, alarms, and an electric wire fence to the warehouse and has the computer activate on any motion sensor trigger that is set up outside..
as time goes by and greed grows, the guys add new code and automate the process further and further. eventually they have 20 warehouses all interconnected and all automated. they spend most of their time playing games on their VR headsets. and when not playing, the guys start teaching the mechanical arms, drones and other machines how to set up solar panels and give the machines a new algorithm that allows the machines to attempt to design new ways of getter efficient power.

as the scene dims we can see that it is now 2070, and the world is being taken over by uncontrollable machines.

the title of the movie appears.

"The matrix: before Neo"

i decided to re-read all of your posts again and see if there was any 'worry' you had that had not already been conceived, thought about and had a solution to right now....

the result, there are solutions. and when certain event may transpire as you worry they will, PEOPLE will change to them.

i know my true identity is on the internet, i know that people can trace me.. but that has nothing to do with bitcoin or mining. that is to do with human choice. nothing stops anyone from connecting to a pool via various ip changing methods. or never telling a soul their home address, etc

so now tell me the logic problem you have with my last post

dont think of it as a newbie jail. think of it as a general chat room.. and then when someone shouts that they have a good idea with a good explanation. they can then move into another room to discuss it with less general public screaming. allowing those in the chatroom to concentrate on proper topic discussions and boot out anyone interfering with the flow of idea's

here is a brilliant idea..

i have already opened
http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#cryptoideanoob

so if you wish to talk at a more rapid rate compared to this forum about setting up a chat.. use that room i just linked to and then go from there, make your own up.

i leave my computer on all day so the room should have someone in there all the time

IRC software should be for moderators so that they can easily input commands. alot of people do not like downloading software onto machines as it has the smal changes of trojans or backdoors etc. personally the web based irc chat gateway is good enough to get started up. and yes you can even type in commands to set up moderators and lock the rooms to be invite only.

once you atleast got it set up as the webchat based you can always then, if popular move the moderators over into using proper IRC software. but for starters i dont think its worth wasting good time or money with software before you know its going to be popular and worth making into a professional 'come-to' location.

so just test it out using a couble webchat chatrooms, see how many enter and how the feel of conversations turn out. atleast gauge the level of moderation and ban hammering you might need to control. and then expand from there.

id say having a general chat area, kind of an anything goes room at the main point is the way to go and then once inside people can be elevated if they come up with good idea's that people want to talk more about

OP now your just a comedy event.

so lets try again on your new worry
if miners are putting in millions of shares thinking they will get paid. but a pool owner doesnt submit a winning result to the pool. the miners will not get paid. after all... the funds have to come from somewhere.

and when people dont get paid.. they move

your acting as if PEOPLE have only one option and if that one option is broke or manipulated then its screwed for everyone forever.

bitcoin is 1 protocol. but mining has so many options, so many variations that all.. yes all of your worries have a second, third and fourth option for humans to choose.

do not think that people are fixed to one option when it comes to mining.

techies
goldhoarders
financial guys
general public

in that order.

right now we are in the gold hoarders as i am seeing many gold hoarders saying "dont invest in bitcoin, sell your bitcoin for gold".. the reason because they want to offload their gold and grab your bitcoin.. (its basic reverse psychology)

next we will see proper financial guys bying bitcoin once bitcoin is on the proper financial markets with proper audited and transparent exchanges
and then eventually average joe will cotton onto the idea.

it doesnt cost money or time to set up a IRC channel.

so why not simply set up a gateway channel
webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#cryptoideanoob
for instance which is the unmoderated noob general chatter.

and then just by changing the hashtag you can instantly make new channels.
webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#cryptoideaintermed - moderated
webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#cryptoideaadvanced - moderated and invite only

if small groups want to form private chats they can set up their own private chats
webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#cryptoidea1
webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#cryptoidea2
.....
webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#cryptoidea1000

it aint rocket science.. the hardest part is thinking up good channel names

because he is mis understanding the multiple users connected to a mining pool, centralisation (which i and the OP mentioned) vs a single mining farm centralising the hash power.

i think many people think that the solutions do exist. i am not saying "dont worry about it" in a mannor that is saying governments wont attempt regulation. or dont worry people wont want to hold all the power.. im saying that protocols do not need to change. as the issues are with individual humans and the choice of second layer software tools they use. and the fact that these second layer software tools already exist to get around most worries, and/or can be tweaked simple to get around the others.

most of you seem to be like your screaming out that everything is broke and there is nothing individuals can do.. yet the opposite is true. you individuals are the decision makers. the protocol is just a protocol. its up to you how to access it.

the protocol doesnt need changing in regards to all the panicking stuff mentioned in this topic. just human choice

damn 2 people beat me to the scam sighting.. good work guys on spotting it.

bad luck to the domain squatter.. as i really do smell the same style of domain selling as sol adoni done with the bitcoin<country>.com

and lastly if the squatter wants a legit estimate, there are many proper domain auction sites available,

forex is the main international institutional exchange for foreign currency
kraken is presuming, by the sentence you wrote to be the bitcoin exchange equivalent

i could write pages and pages about every microtopic of anonimity, centralisation of mining by a single party owning al the rigs, centralisation of mining by pool owners, anonimity of individual users, regulations of individuals, pools, mining farms, and all the other blah.

but instead of waffling and going into great detail, i just jumped straight to the point.. the problem is not with the protocol its with the people.... no matter what you attempt to do with the protocol, even though nothing needs to be done, people are the deciding factor.

so lets meander into your territory of the centralised mining farmof one individual owning a substantial amount of hash.
if we changed the protocol to be proof of resources.
a mining farm can easily set up for $20 a unit, multiple rasberry Pi's to mimic that there are multiple users with multiple machines to hide the fact its still one person.
if we changed the protocol to PoS, there are already ways around that
if we changed the protocol in any way there will always be ways to circumvent it.

POW is not broke.. the people are
bitcoin is not broke.. the people are

people are free to choose what they want to do and if a arge mining farm came together then people can all move away from that host and try different pools to keep the balance of power.
if regulations came in that people from new york had to be regulated then PEOPLE can easily mimic that thy are in russia
if regulations came in that people needed to b taxed, then PEOPLE can hide their identity to not associate their funds with their real life.

do not think i post without thinking about the topic, even if i dont waffle through my every thought. i simply try to get to the point of the issues and explain them in plain english
do not think because i am not using big words that i am not smart. i know more than you think, and i know enough that looking smart helps no one, so its best to speak in laymens terms and just get to the point

have a nice day

instead of trying to get wild, exotic places that are thousands of miles away from you to accept bitcoin. everyone should start in their own hometown.

stuff like sealand and other micronations are just gimmicks, personally i think i have more wealth than atleast 3 micronations combined, and my actions are meaningless in regards to world activities. thus the wealth movement of a micronation is not really as powerful as that of potential media speculation it would drum up, which itself is less powerful than the potential wealth movement by getting the world to accept bitcoin

so if each of us get our own local stores to accept it so that our own lives are secure, then on balance that would make the whole world bitcoin acceptable. rather than trying to get small islands of a couple dozen inhabitants to use it, porely for media speculation

for instance if you see a local fruit and veg market stall in your town, ask them about their supplier and get both the local supplier and market stall to accept bitcoin and then get your local landlord/rental agent, 7-11 type stores, repair stores, etc to accept it too.

its far better to first secure your own lives and not wait for others to do it for you.. then to waste years trying to change other peoples lives which wont affect you or much of the 'big picture' of the whole bitcoin economy.

unless a micronation has natural resources the world needs then the bitcoin demand for that nation is too small in comparison to getting walmart to accept bitcoin

if you really want micronations to get into bitcoin, try speaking to their mainland suppliers so that the micronation doesnt need to convert to native fiat, but can use bitcoin. instead.

but i still think that too many people are waiting around sitting on their hands waiting for others to do something that will then get media to do something, which will then affect other peoples bitcoin decisions.. everyone needs to do their own little part and then the result would be better bitcoin usage for all, rather then a 15 minute media speculation article.

the way computers connect together for mining pools is not the bitcoin protocol.. there is nothing wrong with  bitcoin... its not even the rules of POW either.. yet again you are not understanding the point im making,

bitcoinD.exe is the protocol. there is nothing wrong with bitcoin or POW. i say this because i have had many people ask me if bitcoin is broke due to the stuff you have been saying.

mining pool software is separate, there is already software available that allows people to automatically jump/switch to different pools, thus your static IP address is irrelevant as with just a couple lines of code anyone can tweak pool jumping software to jump to dynamic addresses that change daily or randomly. thus mining pools can change their own IP addresses freely if they chose to and people can still mine.

so i do not see a problem with trying to hide pool locations and i definitely dont see a problem with the bitcoin protocol. nothing has failed and everything can be "rescued"

in answering your other worries relating to taxation/regulation of mining
mining pools are just a small part of bitcoin and no matter what law comes about to attempt to control bitcoin, people can just change the software as mentioned above to flip between IP addresses to lessen the chances of being traced. and also people can use different types of pool software such as p2pool etc which offer different features.

all of which would mean that mining pool hosts themselves never really touch the reward and all funds go directly to the individual decentralized miners, thus government cant tax or regulate someone that never receives the funds.

the problem is not with any software, code or protocol. its with peoples choices.
already their are pools that instant payout to individual addresses, as oppose to hoarding the coins and then only pay out on day X per week. this is not POW mining fault. this is the user interface and custom software the mining pool host chooses to use.

it takes months to integrate new laws into different countries and only minutes/hours to get new software out there. i can (although already mentioning a couple scenarios) can think of atleast 10 ways to keep bitcoin out of jurisdiction of a country, but all of them have nothing to do with changing the main bitcoin or POW protocols, but to change PEOPLES minds about how they work on their own individual systems.

which i tried to explain earlier as being that there is nothing wrong with the underlying code, but people and the choices they make