Working on the last steps of distribution.

There is already 50,000 bottles in Russia with the Bitcoin logo on them.

I personally drank from one of the bottles  

They plan on brining it to the USA now with alot more. All with Bitcoin logo.

He can, and he did. No other conceivable substantial source is known and this has been true of every similar claim in the past. You don't have to rule out every inconceivable alternative to have proven something. Proof doesn't require omniscience, just reasonable certainty.

In context, it's clear that "only" doesn't rule out the possibility that some miniscule amount occasionally comes from some other source. "Only" can mean the only substantial factor or effect. For example, "Don't argue, you'll only make him mad" doesn't mean that you won't also cause air to vibrate.

There is no difference. When a person makes a claim, they are stating that they believe that claim is true. We understand that people are neither perfect nor omniscient.

If I say "Your wife is cheating on you", every rational person who understands the English language knows that I mean that I have reason to believe their wife is cheating on them. You would not conclude that it must be the case that she is in fact cheating on you. Nor would you believe that I was stating that logical proposition just to bring it up for discussion. The most natural interpretation of "Your wife is cheating on you" is that the speaker has reasons that he believes justify believing that your wife is cheating on you. "I think your wife is cheating on you" says precisely the same thing, just more weakly.

There is absolutely no reason he should weaken his warning. In fact, if he could think of any way to make it stronger, he should do that.

Hi there,

I thought I would test the waters out. No, not the waters everybody got thrown overboard in. Let me start over. I thought I would test the skies out.

The goal of this project is to form community access to airplanes very similar to what you see with community access vehicles. The internal structure will be developed while maintaining the most social conscious actions. Obviously in aviation there are few who focus on this. Hopefully this can become a successfully funded business that focuses on member, investor, and public satisfaction. The point here is to build an economy where nobody is hungry, bitcoin needs something like this right about now

Investing should allow us all to see whats going on. This way you can fly in your investment. Or if you don't have the means to make that happen, you will know a member is out making your investment profitable. The financial bottom line doesn't always need to be the focus when we are all having fun and benefiting.

This should be a great opportunity to see the ability of loans goon towards a real community asset. Investing will allow everybody to enjoy a fine luxury, while receiving a good return on investment. If a fraction of the money that has gone into ponzi's went towards this project, we would be able to see the  first airline that accepts bitcoins!

Let's start a flying club where you can reserve your flight just like you would a car. While this will ideally be sponsored via bitcoin, I will be seeking members in the aviation community as well. Since this is based on the West Coast of the USA, most participants will be there. BUT, this does not mean it's not for you. ANY "EMPTY LEG" TRIP WILL BE AVAILABLE TO ANY MEMBER. This means if I flew to New York, and was staying for a month and the plane needs to return to LA, it is available first come first serve.

There will be no buying a seat on a flight as of now. There will be no flight attendants. Most flights will be originating at less busy airport to minimize headache of long security lines, etc etc etc. Let me put it to you this way. This can be the Zipcar of the sky.

I would like to highlight that it is nearly a $1,250,000 and lengthy process for an airplane of magnitude and charter service to start. Until we see serious traction on this project this will be a FLYING CLUB. As a MEMBER you will be entitled to lend or fly. This access will be shared with other members. First come, first serve scheduling. All incurred flight expenses come out of YOUR wallet. Other lenders/members will not be paying for your flying time just because you are in the club. That being said they will "own" part of the plane and your use will be growing their investment. As mentioned before "empty leg" trips will be available when available.

Let me say this. While many of you will not be interested in having access to an airplane that will fly you and 6 of your friends across the country, there are many who are interested. This will be a very interesting experience to see if the worlds of BTC can partner with the group of people who would probably never use BTC, aviators. As in while members/pilots join the club to fly an airplane owned by the BTC community. I'll be honest this could be one of the first times both parties have never worked together and will be EXCITED the other is behind the idea.

Let this idea marinate. Think of the potential. Let's take bitcoin to the skies!

Until there is serious interest I will remain Rube7x. Once this is established proof will be sent to the mods, and obviously if you are flying OUR airplane through the club headquarters you will see my face every day. Whether you want to or not 

Lets take off,
Rube7x

82 views and the 'Biggest Names in Bitcoin' don't have faith in my 'thing'...?

Having a government keep tabs on who owns what guns helps solve crime? maybe...
16 year olds should not be allowed own a fully automatic guns? maybe...

Its not like it was impossible to buy unregistered guns b4 bitcoin, so i guess this doesn't really make a difference.

but still, common... "drugs, guns, and gambling for anyone and everyone!" is this our new slogan?

I noticed your avatar text, but saving bitcoins as producing something? I don't think so.

i understand the card has a 1000 usd limit
to transfer 1000 on costs 1.5%
a card costs 10 dollars ,do they expire ? will there be a 3 digit ccv code on the back  for online purchaes ?
is there additional fees on taking that $1000 from an atm if you need cash  ?
will visa or AMEX  offer an alternative ?

im excited about it ,i want one providing the charges for using it are not excessive

The fraudulent charges were intermingled with her legitimate charges over a span of 1-2 months (my mom isn't as to-the-penny balance aware as I am...). The total fraud was around 3K if I remember correctly. My mom had to file a police report and highlight the charges she claimed were fraudulent. Her credit union said they had insurance for that kind of thing, but I don't know how often they allow you to use it... I also don't know if regular greedy commercial banks would be as helpful. I've never had to go through that myself.

Remember, this is a DEBIT card, not a fee or interest paying credit card the bank makes money on.

It does keep it that way. Bitcoins are a CURRENCY.

People can use currency however they see fit. That includes storing/using it safely or exchanging for other currencies.

This new debit card simply gives people another option. A HUGE option IMO. (side note: There is no way 5,000 initial cards will be enough)

Having said that, I understand your concern about security.

My own mother had her bank account linked debit card number compromised and thousands of dollars worth of fraudulent activity stolen before she realized it. Luckily the bank reimbursed her (tip: use Credit Unions, people!).

I told her it was a BIG mistake using her bank account linked debit card for things (swipe for groceries, gas, etc. = too many vulnerable spots, even dishonest gas station cashiers) in this digital age.

I told her first to get a NEW non-compromised card and account number. Then I told her to set up a SEPARATE free checking account somewhere, anywhere, one that comes with a debit card. Then put only a few hundred dollars at at time into that account and use THAT for her debit card. IMO everyone should use this technique (especially if non-tech savvy) at it limits your possible losses, and increases charges awareness.

This Bitcoin debit card would be PERFECT to use with my security method, as a fund-as-you-go debit card.

1. BitInstant card is a debit card, big difference, you can only use what is pre-loaded.
2. It looks cool to load bitcoins on to your card real-time = nice way to attract attention to bitcoins.
3. Easy and fast way to cash out bitcoins anywhere anytime.
4. Seriously, how can you not think this is great for bitcoin?

There may be a lot of frenetic activity about BitInstant offering a bitcoin credit card, but I have to ask, WHY?
Does it make bitcoins any easier to get?
Why do you want to inject the huge security hole credit card numbers present to bitcoin, which is intrinsically immune to payer identity theft?
The only thing you can do with a Bitcoin address is send money TO it. Tying it to credit card lets anyone who steals the card number able to put charges on the account.

One of the best things about bitcoin is that it's NOT A FUCKING CREDIT CARD! Let's keep it that way!!

A thousand times this.

Ouch.
I still don't think the intersango boys understand how many lives they affected with this whole thing.
Out of curiosity, do you plan to sue? Do you plan to turn up to the London conference? 

Bitcoinica was hacked 2 times before they got "third time lucky" - they only denied repayments after the last hack. It was terribly reckless to have your entire University fund in Bitcoinica to the bitter end. No two ways about that.

Few bucks? Pretty small minded thinking. bitlane a vocal (and annoying) member has about $25,000 USD tied up in this. Your 20 btc is insignificant, but to assume every one complaining has so little invested is ignorant. That's double what a good number of Americans make in a year of working 8 hours a day, 40 hours a week, for 50 (or more) weeks. You are surprised that it's dominating the forums when what looks like the biggest scam in bitcoin's history is going down?