Great post, Febo. When one follows Monero day to day, it's easy to forget the great strides that have been taken this last year. |
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The only power to "entrench resentment" possessed by drunken Monero mountaineers is the amount you voluntarily grant them. For example, nothing I can post could possibly make Aminorex sell, because he is Based AF and not a whiny melting snowflake. He is also 100% spot-on about the blatant market manipulation and smear campaign. Very sad to see some of our finest Mustangs succumbing to (*gasp*) popular sentiment as found on social media, aiding and abetting the Ztrash/Dash troll brigade.  If Monero is not sufficiently anti-fragile to survive its weak holders under the mildly adverse conditions of a well-intentioned and poignant practical joke, it does not deserve to continue. Smooth has already explained this; I'm not sure why normies are still not grokking the idea: 'anti fragile' means that if anything fluffypony says or matters all that much, we're doing something wrong. Fortunately, it doesn't.
(And to the extent that this stunt makes what he says or does matter even less, we're doing something right.)
Android and Surae are so much more important than endless butthurt over what is obviously high caliber performance art (which should be profoundly provocative and thus controversial due to displaced cognitive dissonance). Please disabuse yourself of the false conceit that I am here to coddle, placate, compromise, or (to use your euphemism) "heal" your poutrage. I am here to catalyze and amplify your self-inflicted resentment until you pull a Hearn and puke up cheap coins.  If you rage-dumped XMR because of some farcical trifle about a #FluffyGate tweet, you never deserved to hold a single Tacoshi. Out of all the material in the conversation, that's the best response you could come up with?  Wow, I think my smugness level just went up a notch. Thanks for that.  Well you don't really give people much 'material' to work with, do you? Your schtick is the usual diatribe meant to alienate and intimidate. You seem almost incapable of writing a sentence without using either 'butthurt' or 'snowflake'. You seek confrontation and conflict rather than conversation. The shame of it is that you are clearly intelligent and could add a great deal to this thread. But so long as you prefer to confront, rather than convince, the other participants here, you lose whatever gravitas you might otherwise be accorded. |
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I was at the NYC event. The most blatant market manipulation I have observed was the smear campaign which followed. I have been quiet because I don't like to encourage people to sell, because they will probably harm themselves if they do so, yet I anticipated that the reaction cycle would be adverse to price, once I saw the event, so I have been lying low. I have now begun to buy again, and so I feel my influence is now less likely to harm anyone.
I am still very saddened by the intense negative emotion that has been expressed here. Surely you must see that such effusions are harmful to yourself. While you cannot undo the damage you caused to yourself, at least learn from this, and do not let facile emotions dictate words and deeds so incautiously in future.
As for fluffyponyza's tweets, I think they were very ill-considered. It seems particularly poor taste to say that pre-announcements would be unethical, after having made a pre-announcement. The fact that it was intended as a deceit does not make it more ethical. The logic of that is so bizarrely twisted that it saddens me.
I think the marvelous progress made by endogenic on iOS and Android support is the truly newsworthy part of the presentation. Surae's discussion of the process of cryptographic review was also of greater importance than fluffyponyza's troll. Unfortunately these are being overlooked, because they can not be exploited to make you puke up cheap coins.
I am glad you have posted on this and your response is reasoned and about in line with my own. Yes, I think a lot of the reaction was OTT, but personally while I know what he 'meant' and FP's little joke was not existential, the ill-judged nature of it has created a bad atmosphere and a ton of troll fodder that it need not have. Monero is still a great project and this won't change that, but by creating confusion and the potential accusation of pump and dump scam (even if inadvertently) was foolish. That is about it. but one more small point: I could do without people high up from 'Monero Mountain' with wine glasses in hand sneering at people who are genuine supporters of this project and deserve better. It only serves to entrench resentment, not heal it. The only power to "entrench resentment" possessed by drunken Monero mountaineers is the amount you voluntarily grant them. For example, nothing I can post could possibly make Aminorex sell, because he is Based AF and not a whiny melting snowflake. He is also 100% spot-on about the blatant market manipulation and smear campaign. Very sad to see some of our finest Mustangs succumbing to (*gasp*) popular sentiment as found on social media, aiding and abetting the Ztrash/Dash troll brigade. If Monero is not sufficiently anti-fragile to survive its weak holders under the mildly adverse conditions of a well-intentioned and poignant practical joke, it does not deserve to continue. Smooth has already explained this; I'm not sure why normies are still not grokking the idea: 'anti fragile' means that if anything fluffypony says or matters all that much, we're doing something wrong. Fortunately, it doesn't.
(And to the extent that this stunt makes what he says or does matter even less, we're doing something right.)
Android and Surae are so much more important than endless butthurt over what is obviously high caliber performance art (which should be profoundly provocative and thus controversial due to displaced cognitive dissonance). Please disabuse yourself of the false conceit that I am here to coddle, placate, compromise, or (to use your euphemism) "heal" your poutrage. I am here to catalyze and amplify your self-inflicted resentment until you pull a Hearn and puke up cheap coins. If you rage-dumped XMR because of some farcical trifle about a #FluffyGate tweet, you never deserved to hold a single Tacoshi. Nothing you post could make anyone sell. Get over yourself. |
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I was at the NYC event. The most blatant market manipulation I have observed was the smear campaign which followed. I have been quiet because I don't like to encourage people to sell, because they will probably harm themselves if they do so, yet I anticipated that the reaction cycle would be adverse to price, once I saw the event, so I have been lying low. I have now begun to buy again, and so I feel my influence is now less likely to harm anyone.
I am still very saddened by the intense negative emotion that has been expressed here. Surely you must see that such effusions are harmful to yourself. While you cannot undo the damage you caused to yourself, at least learn from this, and do not let facile emotions dictate words and deeds so incautiously in future.
As for fluffyponyza's tweets, I think they were very ill-considered. It seems particularly poor taste to say that pre-announcements would be unethical, after having made a pre-announcement. The fact that it was intended as a deceit does not make it more ethical. The logic of that is so bizarrely twisted that it saddens me.
I think the marvelous progress made by endogenic on iOS and Android support is the truly newsworthy part of the presentation. Surae's discussion of the process of cryptographic review was also of greater importance than fluffyponyza's troll. Unfortunately these are being overlooked, because they can not be exploited to make you puke up cheap coins.
I made a few comments here and over in the monero sub (under a different name). I am not normally someone who comments a great deal - I prefer to observe since I feel I mostly don't have a great deal of import to say. FP's troll, however, spurred me like few other things have done. I won't rehash it but I think what upset me the most is that I feel that trolling is a form of bullying, which I detest. It's designed to inhibit discussion and serves no purpose other than to shame and ridicule others. I, like many others here, have a lot of money at stake. I started buying in late 2015 and I have Monero numbering in the five figures at an average cost of less than $0.60. I have made a lot of money from Monero and I am grateful for that but I couldn't care less about the recent fall in price. It will go up again as it always does. My reaction was entirely due to his behavior, not the consequences of it. All that said, I will add this: My wife and I have often discussed what she should do if I were to suddenly die - she knows and cares very little about our monero wallet. I've told her to keep the seed safe and, should she need help, to message FluffyPony and he would help her, honestly and truthfully. That advice still stands. |
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TC... You deserve to end up in the garbage heap with the rest of the trash! You know with the other two scammers that used to have a good reputation with Monero supporters! How about you just ignore him? |
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Fluffy has really outed a lot of scammy people, by suggesting that FP "scammed" them they are only letting us know subconsciously what they would do if in the same position
Huh? Did you read that in a book somewhere? |
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Fluffy came out of this a hero to everyone who matters. The useless salty and butthurt freeloaders have self-identified and fucked off to Dash or OneCoin. This one is better. Why you would want to characterize Howard Chu like this, I have no idea. As far as I'm aware, his contributions to Monero have been immense. What have you done for Monero except cozy up to FP at every possible opportunity? |
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I'm curious to know what Aminorex makes of this. He was there at the meeting. I wonder what the reaction was?
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Do you think, after tonight, he is still fit to be the public face of Monero?
You still don't get it, do you? If you want a different public face for Monero, go out and do it. No one nominated Fluffy. You're talking nonsense. The vast majority of people, including myself, wouldn't be capable of being the 'public face' of Monero. FP is, de facto, that public face and, as such, has a responsibility to the community. Forget about the money. Forget about the speculators. Think of the people who have invested a great deal of their time, effort and love into this project. I think he showed enormous disrespect to them tonight. His meta stance of 'I'm the biggest troll scammer and no-one should believe a word I say' only goes so far. It's a joke that stopped being funny a long time ago. I do get it, actually. A certain faction of Monero people like to believe that if you don't 'get the joke' then you don't really understand what Monero is all about. It's bullshit. |
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at this point it's an unfounded conspiracy theory that he did this.
No. I told you before. If we were in traditional finance FluffyPalmface would be under investigation now. You can NOT do this. It fundamentally rise too many suspicion. Saying "but I don't believe" is not enough at this point. 1. If you want traditional finance, what the fuck are you doing here? 2. Fluffypony does not have access to his exchange accounts and from my impression of him, doesn't even trade much. He also doesn't need a little more money he might make from something like this. 3. Yes he's a troll, but he's not a crook. In my opinion. Do your own homework and make up your own mind.Do you think, after tonight, he is still fit to be the public face of Monero? |
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Like we need a lecture from him on the merits of FOSS. At what point did he decide we need to be patronized to this extent? He really needs to get over his troll thing.
If Monero is to become a global currency - one that's actually useful to people - FP needs to grow the fuck up.
Couldn't agree more. Whether he likes it or not, he's the public face of Monero, and a stunt like this really hurts Monero's reputation. This is glorious. Fluffy is now tied with Samson and Peter for the Best Troll award.  Just look at all you snowflakes melting into frothy puddles of liquid rage. Mission accomplished!!!  I'm watching the live stream and I think I can just about see you behind the podium in front of him. You're either very short or you're on your knees, right? Now there's a fluffy fluffer if ever I saw one. |
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Like we need a lecture from him on the merits of FOSS. At what point did he decide we need to be patronized to this extent? He really needs to get over his troll thing.
If Monero is to become a global currency - one that's actually useful to people - FP needs to grow the fuck up.
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That was really fucking stupid of him.
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So was the rise in price in the last 24hrs parabolic? Parabolicish?
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C$71 Is nice to see. Once upon a time I figured to start selling a bit at C$100. I got over it.
Oh, I'm so over it. |
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OK - assuming news is coming:
End of tomorrow price for the LOLS, anyone? (All at Stamp price base BTC/USD)
1. Under $45
2. $45-ish
3. $77-ish (you know why)
4. $100 or over...
Thoughts?
3. No, I don't know why! Why? |
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I sold most of my Monero last week to make other investments, but put a little back in XMR after riding some shitcoin pumps.
Not sure which would have made more money yet.
Waiting for news tomorrow I guess, but if Monero gets added to Coinbase we could easily see $100 in the next few months maybe?
Also, LOL at the people who told me mining Monero was a waste of time.
I can't imagine this will be the news (though I wish it was). If Monero was being added to CB then it would be CB making the call announcement, not FP. |
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It's unlike Fluffy to do this. I hope it really is something substantial and not one of his trolls. He is often in one troll away from overstepping the mark and the market won't take it too kindly if this is the case. |
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why has Monero missed out on these big pumps? I get that the pumps are irrational. I understand that there's a lot to be said for a currency that's stable and so on. I realize that sharp increases in prices are not healthy for the long term ecosystem.
All that said, the majority of traders on Polo et al, wouldn't know fungibility from a hole in the ground, much less care. So, given that they're willing to buy anything with a pulse, why not Monero? Why hasn't this madness pumped our currency? It seems more than odd. It seems...deliberate.
I'm beginning to think that there are entities who, either out of fear, spite, or revenge, are deliberately keeping our price down. And honestly, I'm usually not the sort of person given to conspiracy theories.
I won't name names, but dash it all, isn't this the most likely reason?
First of all, Monero didn't miss out on these big pumps. Monero started the current mega-bull market; it is not lagging in annual performance. 1. There are a few Dash whales who use their Instamine riches to short XMR rallies because they blame us for making the public aware of their scam's history+risks. 2. XMR has the best (ie widest) distribution of any coin thanks to its fair launch, egalitarian PoW, high early emission, and long term of low prices. This means there are more weak hands ready to take profit on every price advance. 3. Untracable XMR is the coin of choice for botnet/malware mining, creating a steady steam of coins sold soon after being mined. I'm with you on points 1 and 3. As for the weak hands scenario, I'm going to disagree. We're in the middle of the biggest crypto craze we've ever seen. Seemingly, the only thing one has to do is to hold as prices rise. Why sell Monero when the price rises a couple of dollars when all around you prices of other alts are rising exponentially? Then again, what do I know? As Groucho once said, "A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five." I suggest we get the children in here. |
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