I think it's a great option , it would give the coin even more elusive and would raise rates, but you can still leave and zero blocks
and now we have almost 16,000 coins , about 20 + days due to problems with a split chain has lost about 10%, I lost 41 CGA on cga.cryptochomper.com
just my opinion - exclusivity , elitism is not conducive to the description of the coins in the main post, which refers to the fact that we had a problem and we decided to change this and that. those who from the first days in the community knows and appreciates it , you did had very many important changes and do not let the problem kill the coin, but the new people, it may scare away or they think that was pre- mining . It's more marketing, but it is important
Someone said that this would "destroy" the coin's meaning, because with this every coin would be an anomaly. That is my view, I am afraid. It would make it more like 42. "destroy" the coin - why? I talked about Block Reward / diff + algorithm with zero blocks we are almost unlimited in issue (not 42) and the more network and diff - Reward those tend to zero I think we have to seriously consider making the zero blocks worth mining and keeping elusiveness, from what I understand is you will otherwise always have people not mining the zero blocks or does jane-scrypt stop this? It might make it more like 42? What does 42 do is that an elusive coin as well? could someone explain to me? But as far as I can see this is a really good solution. |
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Looking for a bit of feedback on this idea - I am interested to see how the community thinks this will work.
Right now, all the "random" block reward coins (Doge, Lotto, Moon, Leaf, Lucky, etc etc) use a pseudo-random generator with a known seed in the GetBlockValue function (see main.cpp in any altcoin) to determine the block reward. This means that the block reward, by design, is predictable before the block is discovered. This has, of course, led to many multi-pools such as WafflePool and MiddleCoin mining only the valuable blocks (which leaves the dedicated miners with on average less then the average block reward in profits).
The protocol change I propose:
- The first tx in each block remains for the miner of that block, but rewards a tiny amount, say 1 coin
- A second standard tx is added to each block (after the genesis block) that pays a pseudo-random reward (say, similar to Doge's payout scheme) to the first txout of the previous block.
By delaying the miner reward by 1 block, this allows the reward to be unpredictable until the block is actually discovered - so you don't know how much you will get paid for a block until you have already mined it.
What do you think the ramifications of this would be? Did multi-pools contribute to Doge's success, or do they detract from it? Are unpredictable block rewards actually desirable?
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I am also experimenting with varied difficulty based on nTime gap - aka, the difficulty decreases the longer it has been since the last block. I consider this an interesting proposition, and a way to actually make use of multi-pools and coin hoppers in a much more beneficial way (they hop on when a block hasn't been discovered until after the block target time), therefore significantly decreasing time variance between block discoveries (and therefore transaction confirmations). This is more complicated however, as significant variance is currently acceptable for nTime, and so time syncing would need to be built into the network propagation, and nTime variance significantly decreased.
Welll.......... derpppp  at least you got one reply! Still asking around though. |
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FCK is falling ... any plans?
Relax, it isn't falling anywhere..we have wallet design update within next days, fck'tip'bot is nearly ready to be used in irc, website will be renewed soon after that. All is finding its place, so chill and have a little faith on fckbanks  Video is in progress as well but we all got dayjobs... fckbanks ain't gonna be famous overnight unless we blow something up, but we are not that type of organisation. My personal opinion: As an individual you can make an impact by promoting fcbanks, think of ideas. Contact groups with similar interest. If you want to join the conversation or are worried join us at: irc freenode channel #fckbankscoin maybe you can think of an idea that is useful and instead of posting your worries which u can do ofcourse, it would be better to contact the irc to discuss before others become worried for no reason. without wanting to sound like an a....hole, which I am, if you really worried it is probably because your not doing anything yourself to move us forward. Since if you would, you would believe in it Burn me of because of this comment hehe The update of websites/ fcktipbots/ merchandise is all foundation stuff. The rest is down to the community to spread the word! The price of fckbanks shortterm is not important if we continue as a serious movement people/ groups will connect to us and will see that investing has two functions. First and foremost support the great movement that is fckbanks! Secondly your investment might become worth more over time. My personal opinion is that number 1 is a lot more important, number 2 will most likely follow. |
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I don't know what you guys are talking about but I'm not selling my CGA. If anybody else needs to panic sell their CGA and they don't see the depth in the book, PM me. This is ridiculous. Still only 15000 something CGA. I don't think there was any need to panic. Now how are you going to buy back in cheaper if nobody else is panicking like a noob?
I agree with you. The issue CGA is facing has a lot of "if"s and "when", won't panic sell either. Sawedoff and the other devs will find a solution, I'm very confident. I concur! unique coin, a coin that adapts to it's popularity, great devs and as I can see it is a good investment opportunity whilst only few people are aware of this coin and once the devs find a way around the issues and combined with the scarcity of the coin it will most likely increase the price substantially! Like any investment there is a risk involved, but if you didn't like risk you probably wouldn't consider investing in altcoins anyway. On all the alts available there is a majority of coins that is offering nothing new apart from being an addition to the pile of crap that is already out there and people will still invest. So I don't worry about a coin with this potential and an honoust team. Next to that the reason why I got to CGA is that I have been scanning through all the altcoins available and this was the only one I thought that is new and has a uniqueness to it and therefor potential. I am assuming others will soon follow! |
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Funniest thing I've seen on these forums. Lmao.  Saved you a spot on SS Murray - touring soon.   All nice guys, but what is goin on with the murrayfoundation, could you not hint if there is any positive results from all the telephone calls that have been made with this foundation? When are we getting an update? Will bill Murray talk to you guys? What if he doesn't what is your plan B? Also could you clear up how much of an impact you would be able to make on the golftourney versus simply making a deal over the telephone. I understand face to face contact is generally a lot better, but why do you think this will make the impact you are hoping for? Serious questions from a serious supporter! |
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First of all I think it is outstanding how you guys have been discussing the issues with regards to the found problem. A real example of how it should be done in the crypto society. No BS just get on with it!
There was a fourth option and you didn't even contemplate choosing for that and that was to just let this coin die and not tell anyone. So a lot of respect to you guys and thx again phzi for joining us on irc and helping to brainstorm possible solutions. I believe we got a solid dev team that will go the extra mile to get CGA back on the road!
I am not sure whether I would prefer KGW or not, not enough technical insight. I leave the decision to you guys.
Also I don't mind changing over to the N algorythm as it has advantages and makes us a lot more future proof against the bigger farms/ multipools.
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FYI: If have been digging into CGA code a bit more, and if my tests are successful today, I plan to release code that will allow predicting and forcing anomalies on CGA.
It will look like this:
- An odd # block is found. The script can immediately tell you if the next block is an anomaly or not.
- An even # block is found. The script can immediately tell you what nTime values to use to GUARANTEE the next block is an anomaly.
Even if you were able to do so, you couldn't predict if you generate the anomaly or if someone else does. That is mining crypto currency... Everyone is competing for the same block at any given time. As soon as you put more hash power into CGA the longer you have to wait unitl you can find that "right moment" to jump into the network. I can see you raising your probability, but actually generating an anomaly EVERY TIME you jump into the network will not happen even if you have +50% of the network hashing power, that would make your odds 1/2 (a coin toss). So while you may of figured out a way to save your mining rigs from mining the 0 blocks, It doesn't mean that you will get an anomaly every time... And if everyone had the script you speak of then your script would go haywire as soon as everyone "jumps" at the same time. so what you are saying is that if everyone simply uses that scrypt this coin will work as predicted? why not implement that scrypt in the pools then? What would happen is that the difficulty would go crazy. Every time the net hash rate would drop to almost 0 and then sky rocket every 3rd block. I have no idea how KGW would react to such a thing. Whats the worse? We get some insane diff? It would make the coin even more elusive then. Like master ninja elusive. also how long does it take to find a block? like is there not a way to force miners to at least mine so many hours days before they get their return, to stop this from happening? That is what difficulty is for. You set the "ideal" time you want the blocks to be solved (CGA is 40 sec) then if a block is solved faster (say 20sec) then the difficulty will go up. If it takes longer to solve a block then 40 sec (say 120 sec) then the difficulty goes down. KGW "smooths" out the fluctuations by averaging the time it took for multiple blocks. so can you not restrict connections to pools that don't allow for that? Is there no a way to restrict multipools for connecting? Or at least force them to mine for a certain period before a payout. I am sure I read somewhere that some pools you only get your full expected return after 2 weeks of mining there? Just trying to help for obvious reasons |
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FYI: If have been digging into CGA code a bit more, and if my tests are successful today, I plan to release code that will allow predicting and forcing anomalies on CGA.
It will look like this:
- An odd # block is found. The script can immediately tell you if the next block is an anomaly or not.
- An even # block is found. The script can immediately tell you what nTime values to use to GUARANTEE the next block is an anomaly.
Even if you were able to do so, you couldn't predict if you generate the anomaly or if someone else does. That is mining crypto currency... Everyone is competing for the same block at any given time. As soon as you put more hash power into CGA the longer you have to wait unitl you can find that "right moment" to jump into the network. I can see you raising your probability, but actually generating an anomaly EVERY TIME you jump into the network will not happen even if you have +50% of the network hashing power, that would make your odds 1/2 (a coin toss). So while you may of figured out a way to save your mining rigs from mining the 0 blocks, It doesn't mean that you will get an anomaly every time... And if everyone had the script you speak of then your script would go haywire as soon as everyone "jumps" at the same time. so what you are saying is that if everyone simply uses that scrypt this coin will work as predicted? why not implement that scrypt in the pools then? What would happen is that the difficulty would go crazy. Every time the net hash rate would drop to almost 0 and then sky rocket every 3rd block. I have no idea how KGW would react to such a thing. Whats the worse? We get some insane diff? It would make the coin even more elusive then. Like master ninja elusive. also how long does it take to find a block? like is there not a way to force miners to at least mine so many hours days before they get their return, to stop this from happening? |
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FYI: If have been digging into CGA code a bit more, and if my tests are successful today, I plan to release code that will allow predicting and forcing anomalies on CGA.
It will look like this:
- An odd # block is found. The script can immediately tell you if the next block is an anomaly or not.
- An even # block is found. The script can immediately tell you what nTime values to use to GUARANTEE the next block is an anomaly.
Even if you were able to do so, you couldn't predict if you generate the anomaly or if someone else does. That is mining crypto currency... Everyone is competing for the same block at any given time. As soon as you put more hash power into CGA the longer you have to wait unitl you can find that "right moment" to jump into the network. I can see you raising your probability, but actually generating an anomaly EVERY TIME you jump into the network will not happen even if you have +50% of the network hashing power, that would make your odds 1/2 (a coin toss). So while you may of figured out a way to save your mining rigs from mining the 0 blocks, It doesn't mean that you will get an anomaly every time... And if everyone had the script you speak of then your script would go haywire as soon as everyone "jumps" at the same time. so what you are saying is that if everyone simply uses that scrypt this coin will work as predicted? why not implement that scrypt in the pools then? |
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Wow!!! Now that you have found the flaw... Can you please help us with an idea on a fix? This coin is more original than the other 99% out there, imho !!!
As far as I know, there is no proven way to make a block reward not predictable and not miner selectable at the same time. It might be possible to use the discovered blockhash to choose reward, but that would likely require some significant changes to the underlying protocol. so can u not somehow restrict the mining in such way that miners are forced to connect longer before they get a reward? Like basically if they want to mine this force them to at least connect for a week? so that hopping onto blocks is not an option? like somepools it takes a long time before you get your actual expected return, can we not built that in. |
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Updated http://CGAnomaly.com some more. The about page is pretty much complete. I also added a probability excel spreadsheet that does the math for you. Check it out and give me your thoughts of improvement. hello, I like this coin, but could somebody explain to me how the system actually works Like the way I read it, the more popular (read more hashpower???)CGA is the less anomalies are found thus less coins overall are found? if this is true, am I right in saying that the exchange would not necesseraly increase even though scarse the people still need a reason to buy it? Just wondering, I believe someone posted a message saying this is an investors dream, could anyone explain why that is so? Also if mining becomes difficult miners stop, therefor adding more coins and the coin would be less worth, As you read I probably am talking horsecrap so could someone explain what to expect on this coin? To summarize I like to invest, but right now I feel that apart from its uniqueness in the way it adjusts how an anomaly is found I don't understand the economical benefit of it yet. Thx for me it is an investors dream because your coins cannot loose value thru inflation by the supply of coins even commercial mining and multipools hits this coin, just look at TIPS, EAC and many more..although many want to invest the supply of coins overwhelmed the demand thus driving the price down. edit: if the price goes down, confidence/faith go down too. Thx for explaining, so apart from the above, how fast is this coin what is it aiming to become? I agree that right now coins are just a way to earn a quick buck mostly apart from a few coins. How are we advertising this coin? A way to save money? How do i convince someone to join this coin? Also what needs to happen before all of a sudden the difficulty decreases so much that yiur coins become worthless. How likely/ unlikely is this? In other words how many hashes have we got now on all the pools and how much does it take for the difficulty to drop that your coins become worthless? |
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the surrounding text font is very hard to read, and doesn't really fit with the actual symbol but if you need the vector of the fckbanks logos let me know
Love the T shirt about the surrounding text font being hard toread, I find that makes people generally more curious!!! Like they will try to find out what it says therefor u might open up a discussion. As I said though, it would benefit from the fckbanks.org url on the bottom of the t-shirt too, or the back. yes agreed and i was just giving my thoughts on the surrounding text it does no harm making it more clear but getting people curious to read it might be better! Also the question if we want to use the word FUCK spelled out like that. I couldnt give a fck hehe, however some people get all offesnive about it. Like for instance sometimes airlines have policies not to wear offensive texts etc. Some moms don't want their kids to read fuck So by using FCK you are kinda in the clear...... there are much more offensive texts in shirts than "fuck the banks"  I doubt any airline would bother mentioning you anything about that if you wore it when you go through  and I know some people get offended by it, but sad fact is that every children hears the F-word sooner or later whether parents want or not Lol well on that shirt it only has FUCK on it but slightly more aggressive text hehe. I was just coming up with the point as I work for an airline . And ehh there is the list so we are not far of that category! I personally can't see any problems but in this world you gotta be careful with these things! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_censored_T-shirtsah more research gave this: "Absent a more particularized and compelling reason for its actions, the State may not, consistently with the First Amendment and Fourteenth Amendment, make the simple public display of this single four-letter expletive a criminal offense." So let it be |
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the surrounding text font is very hard to read, and doesn't really fit with the actual symbol but if you need the vector of the fckbanks logos let me know
Love the T shirt about the surrounding text font being hard toread, I find that makes people generally more curious!!! Like they will try to find out what it says therefor u might open up a discussion. As I said though, it would benefit from the fckbanks.org url on the bottom of the t-shirt too, or the back. yes agreed and i was just giving my thoughts on the surrounding text it does no harm making it more clear but getting people curious to read it might be better! Also the question if we want to use the word FUCK spelled out like that. I couldnt give a fck hehe, however some people get all offesnive about it. Like for instance sometimes airlines have policies not to wear offensive texts etc. Some moms don't want their kids to read fuck So by using FCK you are kinda in the clear...... |
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the surrounding text font is very hard to read, and doesn't really fit with the actual symbol but if you need the vector of the fckbanks logos let me know
Love the T shirt about the surrounding text font being hard toread, I find that makes people generally more curious!!! Like they will try to find out what it says therefor u might open up a discussion. |
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Updated http://CGAnomaly.com some more. The about page is pretty much complete. I also added a probability excel spreadsheet that does the math for you. Check it out and give me your thoughts of improvement. hello, I like this coin, but could somebody explain to me how the system actually works Like the way I read it, the more popular (read more hashpower???)CGA is the less anomalies are found thus less coins overall are found? if this is true, am I right in saying that the exchange would not necesseraly increase even though scarse the people still need a reason to buy it? Just wondering, I believe someone posted a message saying this is an investors dream, could anyone explain why that is so? Also if mining becomes difficult miners stop, therefor adding more coins and the coin would be less worth, As you read I probably am talking horsecrap so could someone explain what to expect on this coin? To summarize I like to invest, but right now I feel that apart from its uniqueness in the way it adjusts how an anomaly is found I don't understand the economical benefit of it yet. Thx |
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still no reply from fusionhash, not so happy that my account is still locked. Will it still work for mining purposes?
Is there another way to contact these guys?
I spoke to a tech about your issue earlier today - however, I didn't realize your account was locked (you didn't mention that in your initial post.) If you type your password improperly 6 times in a row, it locks your account temporarily (not sure how long.) I was mentioning the page refresh issue you talked about...so was leading them on a wild goose chase. If you are locked out of your account for too many incorrect logins, you cannot log in nor reset your password. I just sent them an email as soon as I saw this post of yours. If it isn't straightened out within about 12 hours from now, and nobody has gotten back to you, please drop me a private message - I have a phone number I can call over there. I know they are hiring right now for phone and live online chat support (with everything they have going on right now they'll need it! They just took delivery on 62 Radeon R9 290 GPUs today, have more on order, and supposedly got approved for USD deposits at their private exchange.) Guessing their support should be decent once their people are in place - right now it's business people, a couple programmers, and a system administrator - until I got a hold of their phone number it usually took them at least 24 hours to get back to me as well. Your account should work fine for mining purposes and auto-payouts/etc shouldn't be affected if you want to mine in the meantime. Another option is signing up and mining at ethought's new pool ( miningpool.co) appreciated bholzer, problem is solved not sure why it got locked. Initially I didn't know my account was locked because on the IPAD it doesn't give any info and the site just refreshed.. than I tried to reset same thing. I then tried my pc and then it said locked. Good news for fusionhash, I am still mining away . thx |
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still no reply from fusionhash, not so happy that my account is still locked. Will it still work for mining purposes? Is there another way to contact these guys? |
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Hi I did contact them no reply as of yet, hopefully get a reply soon! |
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Murraycoin blocks 25,000 - 29,999 contain 80 MRY each. Currently, we are at block 25,055 and the block reward is reduced to 75 MRY at block 30,000.
Apologize for any confusion on this. If the pool operators are receiving questions regarding block rewards, I would suggest posting a note somewhere.
Hi bholzer, Imcan't login to fusionhash at the moment, I type in the user/pass then the screen refreshes itself. I also can't reset my password same thing happens screen just resers itself. Who do I contact so I can get to my account again. |
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good video! we need to contact as many people possible that have a common goal as fckbanks, spread the word . The movement fckbanks combined with a cryptocurrency is unique, it opens awareness to all those who hate the banks that crypto currencies are a possible solution to overthrow the current system. We are making the world aware of this. We all understand that Banks are the cause of the crisis around the world and have been involved in countless frauds and they do not shy away from taking extreme risks with the money that is not theirs in the first place. The majority of society accepts that banks are simply a part of life and are here to stay. We generally take the way of least resistance. This is mainly also because we take things for granted and we are not continuously consciously aware of how the current financial system is part of us. To fight against the system takes time and effort and without being emotionally aware of the fact that this system can't continue like this society won't stand up. Every invidual adds to the wave and we need to win hearts and minds by educating and show them we can indeed do something! Unfck this world. Those who take banks for granted need to be educated, knowledge is power! We need to understand what we talk about and how financial systems work and how these current systems will make life ever more difficult and inevitably increase the gap between rich and the poor. Every soul that joins us creates a bigger wave, let's create a tsunami! |
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