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2441  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why the constant push to have only the one blockchain? on: February 06, 2015, 02:39:22 PM
I get that you think one blockchain is "centralized" - but that's misleading.  It's set up in a decentralized environment from the beginning.

Trying to tie everything to that one blockchain *is* in fact centralising as it puts all them all at risk if there is a failure (such as its crypto being broken).

Having multiple blockchains that work in different ways is just a "sensible" approach or do you keep all of your assets in one single bank account?

Also Bitcoin is simply not suited to many, many things mostly because confirmations take too long.
2442  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Permanently keeping the 1MB (anti-spam) restriction is a great idea ... on: February 06, 2015, 08:53:39 AM
Whether the hard fork happens is not going to be determined by one man's ego. If he wants to present his arguments for not doing the hard fork in a diplomatic manner, they will be taken into account, and debated, but there is no debate as long as one man looks down on others, and feels no need to restrain himself and speak to them respectfully.

Absolutely agreed.
2443  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Permanently keeping the 1MB (anti-spam) restriction is a great idea ... on: February 06, 2015, 04:22:17 AM
Polls on bitcointalk:

- if I agree with the outcome, it's undenyable evidence that I am right
- if I don't agree with the outcome, it's just sock puppets.

Why did this forum get so filled with trolls?

I have never agreed with the use of polls in the forum full stop (and my own forum software does not even have them).

The very idea of putting polls into a forum that "encourages" sockpuppets is ridiculous.

(but let's not go off topic)
2444  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Permanently keeping the 1MB (anti-spam) restriction is a great idea ... on: February 05, 2015, 08:10:33 PM
Here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.0;topicseen 215 forum users don't think the same :

So - they could be all sockpuppet accounts (as this forum supports that).

Any poll on this forum is worth *zero* so posting the result of any such poll has *zero credibility*.
2445  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why the constant push to have only the one blockchain? on: February 05, 2015, 07:12:52 PM
The main thing is that Bitcoin constantly promotes itself as "decentralised" yet wants to be the "one and only block chain" of the world.

If people can't see a slight problem with that then I sincerely wonder about their thinking.
2446  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why the constant push to have only the one blockchain? on: February 05, 2015, 07:06:25 PM
Does your new paper contain the advance in technology and knowledge that is needed to produce a truely trusted solution that equals or surpasses the security of proof-of-work and Nakamoto Consensus?

That is a good question and I won't know I guess until we publish - but my point is not that I think my system will be *better* but that it will be an alternative (even if it turns out to be less secure).

So Bitcoin would retain its "gold value" by being the "most secure" if my proof ends up being viewed as less secure.

But even so it is better to have more than one type of blockchain just in case someone finds a horrible attack that "destroys" a blockchain (i.e. being "superior" to Bitcoin is not the point at all).
2447  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Permanently keeping the 1MB (anti-spam) restriction is a great idea ... on: February 05, 2015, 06:44:55 PM
(2) How the "don't-increase-the-blocksize-limit-because-centralization" argument is misguided.  You clearly showed that not increasing the blocksize limit could lead to greater centralization by pricing out individuals from trustless access to the blockchain.  

He didn't as he used a "straw-man" argument that people would use centralised authorities when they could just as easily not (again I am not against raising the 1MB limit but using the wrong arguments for that is simply not persuasive).
2448  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Permanently keeping the 1MB (anti-spam) restriction is a great idea ... on: February 05, 2015, 06:09:06 PM
Turing-completeness is a non-starter.

The Bitcoin scripts were deliberately designed to not be Turing complete.

A statement with nothing to back it up (the reason Bitcoin is designed that way is because it was designed that way).
2449  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why the constant push to have only the one blockchain? on: February 05, 2015, 05:53:10 PM
Without modification to the code you'd need different ports but my point is not that we want two "identical" blockchain systems as any major problem would presumably hit both of them (i.e. it would be better to have different blockchains that work on different consensus mechanisms).
2450  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why the constant push to have only the one blockchain? on: February 05, 2015, 05:40:08 PM
In regards to the "strength" of PoW I have actually developed a new proof concept which will be published (with a white paper) in the next few months (and it doesn't require massive computing).

Also I am not going to be launching it as a "coin" but instead as a "create your own blockchain for whatever purpose it suits" approach (aimed mostly at business).

Oh - and it will be open source (so I am not going to make money from the concept - only perhaps for consulting).
2451  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why the constant push to have only the one blockchain? on: February 05, 2015, 05:30:58 PM
The point is not about making Bitcoin worth more or less (I am perfectly happy for it to be considered "the gold standard").

The point is that blockchain technology can do a lot of other useful things (such as tallying votes) and there is no good reason that every possible use of a blockchain should be added to the Bitcoin blockchain.
2452  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why the constant push to have only the one blockchain? on: February 05, 2015, 05:19:29 PM
If there is a constant push for one blockchain, then it is only the result of what users seem to want. If users really wanted multiple blockchains, then alt coins would be much more popular.

A big part of the problem is being able to transfer funds "trustlessly" between blockchains - and this is why I created AT: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=822100.0
2453  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][BURST] Burst | Efficient HDD Mining | New 1.2.1 Automated Transactions on: February 05, 2015, 05:09:43 PM
Thanks for answer. Is the assembler somewhere?
Or do you mind the at.cpp on your web (in that case I have to look more precisely on it, because now I can only enter hexcode there :-) )

Here:

https://github.com/BurstProject/ATAssembler/blob/master/src/scala/ATAssembler.scala

(you will like that much better than typing in hex code)
2454  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why the constant push to have only the one blockchain? on: February 05, 2015, 04:45:12 PM
Sidechains can alleviate your space issue.  With today's technology, there's not really an issue with space in the blockchain either...

But why not have just one blockchain?  It makes it that much stronger and valuable as a consensus.  Sure individual organizations can have their own blockchain (token system), serving their specific needs - but this is also possible with sidechains.

Again - a "sidechain" would be dependent upon Bitcoin - so if a major flaw happens with Bitcoin then all sidechains are killed.

Not a very wise "insurance policy" IMO.
2455  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][BURST] Burst | Efficient HDD Mining | New 1.2.1 Automated Transactions on: February 05, 2015, 04:40:47 PM
Question: Is there any tool for developing automated transactions? Or are they writen "by hand" right now?

An "assembler tool" has been written but yes currently they need to be hand-written.

The plan is to create simple UI forms for using well known AT "templates" (rather than having to write code at all).
2456  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why the constant push to have only the one blockchain? on: February 05, 2015, 04:38:57 PM
How would you impliment this change? I see no reason for business to be against the idea. If they had the proper warning they could adjust. Why would it need to devalue the current coins we all hold?

I don't see why it needs to "devalue" Bitcoin at all actually - some of the use cases for Blockchains are simply "bloat" that would be far better off separated.
2457  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Why the constant push to have only the one blockchain? on: February 05, 2015, 04:21:17 PM
Although I am not against the 1MB block size limit being raised it seems to me that the entire point of "decentralisation" seems to have escaped the Bitcoin project (the core devs at least mostly seem to be completely against having other blockchains).

I certainly understand that the Bitcoin Foundation is going to have that opinion (for financial reasons) and I can understand a lot of people heavily invested in Bitcoin (such as the Winklevoss twins) also having that opinion.

But any "rational" person would surely think that having other blockchains (with different code and proofs) cannot be a *bad* thing as it alleviates the "one point of failure" that we will otherwise always have.

I don't see how "one blockchain" is ever going to service the needs of everyone (without requiring a ridiculous amount of space and without having near instant confirmations) so IMO it is simply inevitable that we are going to need many.
2458  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Permanently keeping the 1MB (anti-spam) restriction is a great idea ... on: February 05, 2015, 03:30:14 PM
That's taken right from the FAQ of the project itself. This is just 1 example of potential services that won't be able to get developed completely (if at all).

They just haven't designed it right (so the Bitcoin limits are not really an issue).

Although let's not go off-topic my AT project will be launching "crowdfund" very soon and that could actually work on Bitcoin if Bitcoin were to adopt AT (with no limits for the number of pledges).
2459  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Permanently keeping the 1MB (anti-spam) restriction is a great idea ... on: February 05, 2015, 03:15:19 PM
Sorry - but that makes *zero* sense (especially as I stated that I am not against raising the 1 MB limit in the first place).

I misunderstood your post, sorry.
My post does however make sense, also I was referring to the like of the Lighthouse project.

No problem but perhaps it would make more sense if you could expand on what you posted a bit.
2460  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Permanently keeping the 1MB (anti-spam) restriction is a great idea ... on: February 05, 2015, 03:08:35 PM

The problem isn't a limit in general but that 1MB is so low that under any meaningful adoption scenario it will push all individual users off the blockchain to rely on trusted third parties.

This statement is just *wrong* (and is itself a straw-man argument).

With other blockchains that also work trustlessly why on earth is anyone being pushed to rely on trusted 3rd parties?

Of course they are not (OP should fix that IMO).

You're not just limiting the amount of transactions per block, you're limiting the development of potential services of tomorrow.

Sorry - but that makes *zero* sense (especially as I stated that I am not against raising the 1 MB limit in the first place).
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