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2481  Economy / Gambling / Re: MoneyPot.com -- The Social Gambling Game on: December 21, 2014, 06:40:56 PM
It was just a typo, I tried Math.floor, Math.ceil, and Math.random. I'll try floor();

Can you give it a try now, I pushed up some fixes that might help in your case. The correct is Math.floor(). You can easily test the presence of that function with a custom strategy:

alert(Math.floor(4.3))
2482  Economy / Gambling / Re: Introducing BitcoinMinesweeper.com - The classic favorite, with a Bitcoin twist! on: December 17, 2014, 03:36:34 PM
Quote
If you're stuck on a move, you can request a hint, showing you the optimal way to continue.

I assume by optimal, you mean greedy (as it's NP-hard to calculate the optimal move without using hidden board state). So my question is, do you also use the greedy method to calculate the payout? Or put another way: If I always use your "request a hint" feature, I'll be playing with a 2% house edge?



Also have you given thought to how you prove you randomly distribute the mines? I assume you will need a client seed of some form. It appears that by non-random placement of mines, you can generate solutions that average significantly more difficult than random mine distribution, so to be provably fair you need to give users a way of controlling the shuffle.
2483  Economy / Gambling / Re: MoneyPot.com -- The Social Gambling Game on: December 17, 2014, 03:04:20 PM
What's going on with the off site investments and all those "plans" that were being discussed? Did you stopdeveloping them? I don't see MP 2.0 coming any time soon. Tongue

It's under active development, and going quite well. However the scope has increased to be rather ambitious. We're building a gambling service, to abstract away all the users, bitcoin and investment stuff. This way it'll not only be useful for not only MP, but make it much easier to create a bitcoin apps/gambling games in general. And for users it offers a common account system, with per-app authorizations and wallets.

Development is happening here:  https://github.com/moneypot/vault but it's a few weeks out.
2484  Economy / Gambling / Re: MoneyPot.com -- The Social Gambling Game on: December 17, 2014, 12:30:53 AM
Ryan, have you given any further thought to launching a similar site denominated in any other crypto?

It's something that someone from almost every crypto currency has asked me to do, but it's not really something I'm interested in maintaining. 100% of the source is out there on github, and the interactions with bitcoin is really quite small and easy to swap out. I'd even be more than happy to offer a link to other money pots using alternative currencies.
2485  Economy / Gambling / Re: Bitcoin Gambling Site Owners-Please Read! on: December 14, 2014, 03:09:10 PM
Since there is no financial bearing I am placing on these sites personally, I don't quite see your point.

I have no reason to doubt your intentions, but it's undeniable as a site there is a massive conflict of interest in running direct advertising or uses affiliate links. For instance, the last review site to contact me is asking for 1-2/btc a month in advertising fees (depending on placement) and will add a review. If they write a negative review, they know full well that I'm not going to advertise for a second month on a site that has a negative review, and as such have a large conflict of interest. In fact, looking at their site now they give top grades to an absolute junkware casino that claims to be provably fair, when is absolutely not.

Affiliate links also promote a pretty similar dilemma,  and half the reason sites have the affiliate program in the first place.

Anyway, I think you missed my point. It's not that I think it's impossible to operate ethically/responsibly when conflicts of interest arrises, but the first step is to acknowledge they exist.

Good luck with your endeavour!
2486  Economy / Gambling / Re: Introducing BitcoinMinesweeper.com - The classic favorite, with a Bitcoin twist! on: December 14, 2014, 02:51:32 PM
Quite an interesting idea! By a 2% edge, I guess you mean you generate minefields in such a way that with perfect play, there's a 2% house edge and with imperfect play it's much higher?
2487  Economy / Gambling / Re: Bitcoin Gambling Site Owners-Please Read! on: December 14, 2014, 04:59:10 AM
First of all, I think it's great you're trying to clean up the site. In my limited time running a gambling site, it's pretty sad seeing the cottage industry that has popped up writing dodgy/paid reviews. For some of the prices they have asked, I imagine they're even probably doing quite well. I think if you want to shake the image if your past, you might need to operate in a way that avoids directly taking money from site owners (direct advertising), or using affiliate links. I've seen a lot of: "Why don't you buy ads from us?" with a big *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge* about getting special treatment in the organic section as well, to the point I'm not sure I could trust a review site to be impartial to someone advertising there.

Anyway, good luck! Also, I think you're getting off on the wrong foot with a thread that will invariably create incentivized bumping spamfest for site owners and shills. It likely would be a bettet idea to just link to a suggestion form.
2488  Other / Meta / Re: Re: creating accounts in bitcointalk on: December 13, 2014, 08:45:29 PM
It'd almost be better if you could dynamically generate your partioning:

Code:
var sites = {
  moneypot: 0.005, // 0.5% house edge at 2x
  dicebitme: 0.01,
  satoshidice: 0.019
  // ...
}

_.groupBy(Object.keys(sites), function(site) {
  return Math.random() < 0.5 - sites[site]/2 ? 'winning' : 'losing';
});


Quote from: Sample Run
{ winning: [ 'moneypot', 'dicebitme' ],
  losing: [ 'satoshidice' ] }
2489  Economy / Gambling / Re: MoneyPot.com -- The Social Gambling Game on: December 12, 2014, 10:14:44 PM
I think perhaps just you, the server hasn't been down at all and I haven't heard of anyone else having connectivity problems.
2490  Economy / Gambling / Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers on: December 11, 2014, 12:55:07 AM
Would love my site, diggit.io to be added if it can Smiley. I guess it's not technically dice though

My thoughts about money pot as well. We'd actually be the #3 by week if listed (moneypot.com/stats, with 1431.9 BTC in the last week)

Although, what I think makes this site great is how it's a focused and curated list instead of full of junk and scams. But perhaps in the future NLNico could make a fork for all gambling sites
2491  Economy / Gambling / Re: MoneyPot.com -- The Social Gambling Game on: December 10, 2014, 09:31:59 PM
house margin calculator is wrong

I believe it is correct. It's hard to know what you mean without more information. Remember there's a difference between your Probability of Winning and House Margin due to the bonus scheme (covered in the FAQs).
2492  Economy / Gambling / Re: MoneyPot.com -- The Social Gambling Game on: December 10, 2014, 06:37:37 PM
Because you just credit their account in your database, but then they withdraw, taking your almost-unspendable dust with them?

Yup, exactly!
2493  Economy / Gambling / Re: MoneyPot.com -- The Social Gambling Game on: December 10, 2014, 06:15:51 PM
As it turns out, running a wager-free giveaway program is a great way to get clean up your unspent outputs.

$ bitcoin-cli listunspent | grep amount | wc -l
37

Down from 404
2494  Economy / Gambling / Re: MoneyPot.com -- The Social Gambling Game on: December 10, 2014, 03:15:06 PM
MathWins (a lucky/skilled whale) has generously donated 1.5 BTC to fund a giveaway. We're giving out 2k free bits (with no wagering requirements) for anyone to make a simple tweet:

https://twitter.com/moneypotgame/status/542696215276974080
2495  Economy / Gambling / Re: MoneyPot.com -- The Social Gambling Game on: December 08, 2014, 08:22:42 PM
This website has been nominated for the Bitcoin gambling awards 2014. Please show your support for this website if it's your choice when it comes to Bitcoin gambling! Good luck!

Much appreciated!
2496  Economy / Gambling / Re: Any games that are skill-based? or at least good payouts with high chances? on: December 06, 2014, 05:37:01 AM
You might want to take a look at money pot, unlike most gambling games there's actually a skill element. 99% of the game is you against the house (with extremely low house edge) and 1% of the game is you against the other players (where the skill aspect comes in). I'd recommend playing a few games with the free money to get a feel for it, then read the FAQs to understand how the skill aspect fits into it.

Send me a PM if you need some play money to get a better feel for it.
2497  Economy / Gambling / Re: Request for making a bot ! on: December 05, 2014, 10:40:46 PM
I don't know what strategy you have in mind, but there is no way you can make gambling +EV with a series of independent -EV games.

What if the house was operating at a >2x kelly. If you had a large enough bankroll, it would seem that max bets would have a +EV, despite each bet being -EV. Am I correct in thinking that?

2498  Economy / Gambling / Re: 999Dice.com - Just Launched - 0.1% house edge, faucet & earn BTC on: December 05, 2014, 04:06:56 PM
The hard thing would be running a casino with a 0.1% house edge, no one else can pull that off so not sure how they can...

While I don't believe this site is legitimate (it has a "backdoored" provably fair scheme), I do believe it would be possible to operate at a 0.1% house edge, as long as you were extremely careful about the maximum profit you offer per bet. While Money Pot doesn't have a fixed house edge, it has been operating at a historical house edge of 0.05%. The main result appears to be people win A LOT, in fact, people have complained on that at times it's actually hard to lose money, so they end up betting a lot more than they would at any site. Like despite being quite a new site, it ranks in the top 10 of all time amounts wagered (and thats ranking against sites that operated back when bitcoins were worth a fraction of they are today)

It's hard to say the precise result, but my intuition is there's roughly a negative linear correlation between house edge and the amount a particular better wagers.
2499  Economy / Gambling / Re: MoneyPot.com -- The Social Gambling Game on: December 05, 2014, 03:56:34 PM
All issues resolve, and a few improvements in place. New firewalls rules seem to be quite effective at stopping a repeat. We've also moved to a new server with a configuration more suitable for running a server, and it looks like the results are showing with decreased latency and smoother game ticks.

Thanks everyone for playing, and helping us reach the milestone of 35,000 BTC wagered!
2500  Economy / Gambling / Re: Get your Gambling Site or Gambling Affiliate Program Listed. First 10 FREE on: December 04, 2014, 03:43:39 PM
These threads are probably more suited for games and rounds, but I'll bite:

MoneyPot.com

Money Pot is a unique gambling game, that's 99% luck and 1% skill. It has a low house edge, provably predetermined and instant withdrawals. You can test the game for free by claiming 2 bits an hour at the builtin faucet. Place a bet. Watch the multiplier increase, and cash out any time to get your bet multiplied by that multiplier. But be careful because the game can crash at any time, in which case you'll get nothing!

Money Pot is one of the few gambling games that also make it possible to overcome the house edge, and play properly with a clever bonus scheme that pits you against other players to try successfully cash out last.
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