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2501  Other / Meta / Re: DefaultTrust changes on: January 31, 2019, 08:02:40 PM
[ignores many reasoned and logical posts, comments on tiny subsection in reply to exactly those same tactics]
I don't keep up with this thread because it is long. I'm sorry that I have not yet read your replies. Do you have a synopsis that I can follow so that I may further educate myself in order to understand the situation? I would be delighted to truly capture the situation and create a well-formed and developed reply that is founded on facts.
2502  Economy / Reputation / Re: There should be a public general elections on the DTs on: January 31, 2019, 07:51:23 PM
Please quote properly. This is getting very difficult.

DT trusted feedback is like a gang! Once have 1 red, all red will come.
I meant the "And not to read DT's trusted feedback" part. It seems very abrupt.

Proactive feedback, u have not been in buyer shoes when buying accounts. Because all account sellers have red trust no matter what.
Okay. But I haven't been saying anything about account sellers, have I? At least in regards to my opinion about proactive feedback.

how do you know i will spam?
i thought there is already a time limit in place?

And thats the problem, by the time i get to certain rank, bounty is already over!
There are always going to be bounties, for one.

By spam, I don't mean posting numerous replies within a short interval. What I am referring to is the lack of substance in posts. For example, there are a ridiculous number of threads in the Bitcoin Discussion and Economics sections that have no substance whatsoever. The replies are even more useless, for example just rephrasing "buy high sell low, you can't really tell the price" in 200 characters to fit their campaign criteria.

how many DT have bought account? Maybe for some legit reasons?

that's why they don't understand, they are not in customer shoes at all.

And they generalized all account buyers will spam.
Perhaps there are some account buyers that don't spam. Perhaps there are some that do contribute to the forum. Example: Avirunes.

But for the majority of users - I'm willing to say over 90% - account trading only makes the forum suffer. Given a fixed time, the more accounts you have, the worse your post quality.

Why do you think that when account farmers are ousted, their accounts have horrendous post history?

And i don't see any high ranked members or very few participating in signatures anymore.
There are at least 50 users in the ChipMixer campaign.
2503  Other / Meta / Re: DefaultTrust changes on: January 31, 2019, 07:41:28 PM
[plays victim card as you accuse opponent of playing victim card]
I have no stake in this quarrel but it appears that you are using a combination of ad hominem and the fallacy fallacy.

A public forum is meant for discussion on many sides.
2504  Economy / Reputation / Re: There should be a public general elections on the DTs on: January 31, 2019, 07:36:53 PM
how is account selling a scam? I read that it's legal.
Where did you read that? The rules?

No one has stated that account selling is outright scamming. No one.

However, account trading is equivalent to trading reputation/trust. It is not trustworthy behavior. Recall that a high rank on the forum should be a privilege, not a right.

This thread is about preventing more after me to always use escrow!
Users have been advocating for use of an escrow all the time. Ever see that Prevention is better than a cure thread? It's stickied.

And not to read DT's trusted feedback, just like how they gang up on me.
How is that fair?
I don't understand this statement. Can you reword it or clarify what you mean by this?

Ok, i will repeat and will repeat many times, there is no such thing in this world as customers giving feedback without buying items.
And continue doing this, more will get scammed.
Proactive feedback prevents scams from taking place in the first place. Meaning: instead of a scammer being ousted after they take (arbitrary)  1 BTC, they can be ousted after they take 0 BTC.

It will always create the illusion that this person is unfairly treated by DT.
Only if the feedback is untrue.



What did i do wrong?
I can't participate in signature campaigns?
And build some trust for some deals to earn side income?
Everyone needs money!
Ok even that i said i want buy accounts that have trust if can, no trust is okay,
so that at least i can participate in signature campaigns.
You can absolutely participate in signature campaigns. When you earn the privilege.

Generally, the post quality of users increases with time and experience. Spam is a cancer upon the forum.
2505  Economy / Reputation / Re: There should be a public general elections on the DTs on: January 31, 2019, 07:13:51 PM
omg, i said that the DT feedback can't be trusted. Default escrow should be in place.

I am not blaming the DT, i am not a fan of the trust system that's all.
Why can DT feedback not be trusted? If there are obvious signs of a scam, shouldn't that be publicized accordingly?

Moreover, there are escrows in place if people look for them. However, centralization of escrow services isn't exactly what you want.
2506  Economy / Reputation / Re: There should be a public general elections on the DTs on: January 31, 2019, 07:10:32 PM
Just explain why you think that users should lose money to scams and then provide feedback when they can be protected with proactive feedback.
2507  Economy / Reputation / Re: VIP Member hacked? on: January 31, 2019, 05:25:31 PM
As, I said I don't have access to the old keys because my old hard drive was crashed and I was not able to recover it.

Still, I have access to the original email and also many people here already know me.
Why did you change your name, exactly? And when did your hard drive crash?
2508  Economy / Reputation / Re: There should be a public general elections on the DTs on: January 31, 2019, 05:14:21 PM
If i am buying something from store, i can just see the store seller as scammer even if i have not purchased anything from him?
Where is the logic?
Suppose someone is selling a gambling script that they claim to guarantee winnings. This is a clear scam.

Suppose someone is selling a stolen item.

Suppose someone is opening an ICO with a fake team and whitepaper.

Thats why it's ripped off!
It's all about the inner circle gang up and bullies us!
I'm still wondering why you blame the DefaultTrust negative feedback for VINSIN's scamming of you.
2509  Economy / Reputation / Re: There should be a public general elections on the DTs on: January 31, 2019, 05:06:25 PM
Quote
I am a customer but my feedback showing as untrusted!
You are not a customer. You are a forum member.
when you buy something, that's called a customers right?

And we are talking about marketplace first, buying and selling,
about ponzi, step by step the mods can figure out!
The trust system is not based on whether you have made a transaction or not. Trusted feedback is based on your personal trust list. Anyone outside of your DefaultTrust depth settings have their feedback shown as untrusted.

Therefore it is not a matter of whether you are a customer or not.
2510  Economy / Reputation / Re: VIP Member hacked? on: January 31, 2019, 03:44:16 PM
~snip
I don't have access to this address now they are pretty old. I just have access to the email which I used from when I created this account.
How about the GPG key? This is 2014, before the leak.
2511  Economy / Reputation / Re: There should be a public general elections on the DTs on: January 31, 2019, 03:25:24 PM
So let me get this straight, you are saying that DT members (or anyone else) can't tag scammers unless they actually got scammed by them?
yes! that's how business work.
I didn't use escrow, that's my fault. Just like any business, there is escrow too.
I don't see why you think that it's proper to wait for a victim to send a user negative trust.

Do we wait for thieves to steal before we convict them of their crimes, despite knowing their intent?

How about ponzi schemes? If we wait until they collapse to warn people that it's a scam then there will be literally no consequence to someone starting a ponzi.
2512  Economy / Reputation / Re: VIP Member hacked? on: January 31, 2019, 02:29:54 PM
1LG9NweYZkmfaKW6XyLcB3uLhqR73WMCmv via The ∑ Number Game (archive)
and
1MsXYJikZmCaPgzTHGAMmjLbP9D7QRJ8E5
1Eh3JfsScTThANXZByTjno8PSJrHEtmB6j from the winner's transaction: tx (being from MtGox)

1Gdc8pDDemYFr5zTRs4bwNsVurF8dSxZHw from Christmas Auction IRC and address history
Gonna need a signed message.



WalletExplorer yields these results:

Code:
1LG9NweYZkmfaKW6XyLcB3uLhqR73WMCmv
1L6C4K8b7uvZbGXkSCPBuy12RBecpzuSZL
1DNoXfrzYKiyY6p6xDByRBKLmg1UnCu4jz
1JBMWNtWkyo1MFHMf7BFPyF5GuAaC5td3h
18BDV9v7hpqaeDLVKNDVvo8VSkmcqnFuvh
1Gdc8pDDemYFr5zTRs4bwNsVurF8dSxZHw
1HiMEgHQkppmW3gUfr1pudBUzp8pAmYXY8
1PLmuBCFiiWX2DjvcTvxssFs6Yyv5N1hDZ
1D8dqFQgT2zZdjEmLwRY3giCMK63DuQp2G

Or perhaps a signed message from the key used here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=83059.msg5288700#msg5288700 (archive)
Or this one, if it's different. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=61080.msg717433#msg717433 (archive)

2513  Economy / Reputation / Re: foxup who shit into your brain on: January 31, 2019, 02:10:33 PM
@Vod you will be served you got my word on it.And it looks i won't be just the only one.
I received yesterday a second reply from theymos and got also an anonomous PM from somebody sending me some details about you.This makes i don't need your confirmation anymore since i can get it myself.As soon as i get it you will get served from my so called imaginary lawyer.

Heh.

the main fault is held by theymos who is seeing everything seeing the abuse of these people that he even whistled them back but still he see's no reason to fix defamed accounts without any valid reason.He is the one who is silent and giving permission of that abuse because would he say a clear word that DT members are not allowed to defame/destroy accounts without clear evidence these people wouldn't do it.
So all the abuse on this forum can be lead back to theymos inactivty.

I'm out of this board

Hahaha.

The biggest hyprocat himself on this board is theymos.

Gold, constant gold.

You really are something.
You can not let a blatant liar and abuser of the trust system remain because other DT are too lazy to just copy laudas red where they think it is deserved.
It's not laziness. Do you remember what happened when Lauda was booted off DT1?

If I recall, marlboroza and I (among others) went through hundreds of feedbacks and we still weren't close to being finished. Each dozen takes a while to verify and tag, so going through the multiple thousand feedbacks takes some time.
2514  Economy / Reputation / Re: VINSIN IS A SCAMMER!! on: January 30, 2019, 05:40:20 PM
What did you expect?
2515  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: 2nd Annual Superbowlero Pool on: January 30, 2019, 04:47:09 PM
It is only free if people include a little extra for outgoing tx fees, as it is not coming out of my own pocket
I'll cover that. 0.002BTC should be enough, aye?
2516  Other / Meta / Re: AWESOME (AND UNDERUSED) FORUM FEATURE! on: January 30, 2019, 03:53:15 PM
I don't know what feature you're talking about because you are ignored. Smiley
2517  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: 2nd Annual Superbowlero Pool on: January 30, 2019, 02:52:40 PM
Can do 15 up to 35. Depends on what's necessary.

I can put you down for 15 so that way we have 10 more spots left!
Brilliant! Sounds great.
2518  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: 2nd Annual Superbowlero Pool on: January 30, 2019, 02:21:45 PM
Can do 15 up to 35. Depends on what's necessary.
2519  Other / Meta / Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. on: January 30, 2019, 01:36:46 PM
We even got baby noob members in the DT list who registered just a few months back.How do they got it ?Licking Laudas ass.And you want me to support these DT members who have been here just for a few months ?
Considering that you're part of the anti-Lauda squadron going on in Reputation, I would hope that you know how the trust system works.

That the system in its current state picks DT1 members based on merit rather than proximity to Lauda.
2520  Economy / Reputation / Re: False trust by Foxpup on: January 30, 2019, 09:45:55 AM
bitcointalk is infected
i am deploying antibiotics
I mean, your process is still pretty flawed. Think about what it takes for one user to make it to DT1.

1) online within past 3 days
2) trusted by 10 people who have earned >10 merit
3) trusted by 2 people who have earned >250 merit


Not sure if you're going to find many sympathizers that can help with those last two. Do remember there is this bit:

However, I reserve the right to remove you and blacklist you from future selection if you engage in egregious and obvious abuse, or if multiple known alt accounts could be selected.

You would need the number of sympathizers on DT1 to exceed that of the ones that have trusted Lauda (or whoever else you are targeting)
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