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2541  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / ECB's Constancio compares Bitcoin to Dutch tulip mania on: September 22, 2017, 04:49:26 PM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ecb-bitcoin-stability/ecbs-constancio-compares-bitcoin-to-dutch-tulip-mania-idUSKCN1BX26C

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FRANKFURT (Reuters) - Bitcoin is not a currency but a mere instrument of speculation, the vice president of the European Central Bank said on Friday, comparing the digital currency to tulip bulbs during the 17th century trading bubble in the Netherlands.

The dollar value of the Bitcoin has nearly trebled this year and, while its adoption has yet to pick up in a significant way, the rise of this cryptocurrency is worrying central bankers across the world.

But ECB Vice President Vitor Constancio denied it posed a threat to monetary policy and compared its rise to the ‘Tulip mania’ seen three-hundred years ago.

“Bitcoin is a sort of tulip,” Constancio said at an ECB conference. “It’s an instrument of speculation ... but certainly not a currency and we don’t see it as a threat to central bank policy.”

The ECB said year last year digital currencies, which are generally issued by private companies and only exist in electronic form, could in principle erode its power over the supply of money, inviting European Union lawmakers to tighten proposed rules on the matter.

I'm so glad the UK has left the EU!
2542  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Who lives trading cripto? on: September 22, 2017, 04:33:35 PM
Hello  I wanna be frankly

To live trading forex  you  need  to have big capitals, which  can absorbe the losses  and let you enter in a trade with a good risk/reward ratio.  

Only entering in less  trades...  and entering in trades with  high probability of success,   you can earn from trading.  Entering with big capitals.

In this  way you can live of forex, because  you can make only on trade proficuos with a good risk/rewad ratio, and your in.

Is  it the same with cripto or  with cripto you need  less  money to  trading for living?




Trading can be fun and exciting if you are making profits, but one bad move, or an unlucky swing downwards and you will be in red. buy and hold for a couple of months, maybe three, you shall profit.

That only happens if you go all-in and the trade goes against you. The key to trading is risk management, and only risking 2% of your capital on each trade. That way a few losses won't hurt you, and will be more than made up by the big wins.
2543  Economy / Service Discussion / ViaBTC to launch bitcoin exchange overseas after Beijing bans trading at home on: September 22, 2017, 03:46:06 PM
http://www.scmp.com/tech/start-ups/article/2112339/viabtc-launch-bitcoin-exchange-overseas-after-beijing-bans-trading

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“A third of our customers come from outside China, and I believe these overseas users will continue to use the ViaBTC platform, so we can still provide value,” said Yang Haipo, chief executive of the exchange during a global blockchain event in Hong Kong on Thursday.

He said there was no time frame yet to relaunch the platform abroad, and urged current users to withdraw their assets before the company stops its domestic services on September 25.

“We have enough liquidity to support all of our customers’ withdrawals,” he said.

The Shenzhen-based firm announced a week ago that it would shut down its Chinese exchange business by the end of the month. Other mainland platforms such as BTCChina, OkCoin and Huobi have also said they will cease trading following Beijing’s orders.

ViaBTC is a miner and I presume they NEED to have an exchange in order to dispose of the coins they mine.
2544  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Canada receives an application for an Exchange Traded Fund on: September 22, 2017, 03:21:08 PM
http://www.advisor.ca/news/industry-news/canada-to-get-its-first-cryptocurrency-etf-241629

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Evolve Funds Group Inc. wants to offer Canada’s first cryptocurrency ETF. The company says in a release that’s it has filed a preliminary prospectus with Canadian securities regulators for a fund called Evolve Bitcoin ETF (BITS).

BITS will seek to replicate the performance of exposure to Bitcoin obtained through investments in CFE Bitcoin (USD) Futures. The fund will invest directly or indirectly in exchange-traded futures contracts as well as other financial instruments and derivatives that provide similar return characteristics.

“Accessing Bitcoin is not easy for many […] Investors are currently unable to trade them in a regular brokerage account,” says Raj Lala, president and CEO of Evolve ETFs, in the release. “As more and more of the world goes digital, usage of cryptocurrencies could increase significantly in the coming years,” he adds.

BITS will offer investors with both hedged and unhedged units, and Evolve Funds will act as portfolio manager.

2545  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What's the most overvalued crypto? on: September 22, 2017, 02:59:02 PM
Ripple is the most overvalued

Most under valued are: UBIQ, Diamond and LTC

Agree with Ripple, but I also think Litecoin is overvalued, nobody uses it. Digibytes is overvalued too - it got pumped because they enabled segwit, but again, nobody uses it.
2546  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin without China on: September 22, 2017, 01:21:22 PM
Regarding all the rumours about the mining being banned. Charles Lee has weighed in on twitter:

https://twitter.com/SatoshiLite/status/911067464796053506

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1/ I have a trusted source that says that there's no truth to China banning mining or network. FYI, I haven't made any trades on this info.

2/ The FUD is propagated by large manipulators trying to make money shorting. They know that China ban FUD works and cannot be proven wrong.

3/ Take it for whatever it's worth, but I have not traded this and have no plans to buy or sell in the near future. /End

4/ One more thing. 😀 Exchange ban is still absolutely true. Just not banning mining and the network. And not clear about OTC ban. /RealEnd

I presume his trusted source is his brother.
2547  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why does China hate Bitcoin? on: September 22, 2017, 12:08:21 PM
Here is an interesting marketwatch article about why China hates bitcoin:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/heres-a-reason-why-china-would-want-to-shut-down-bitcoin-2017-09-20

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Last week was tumultuous for bitcoin, as Chinese authorities announced plans to ban the cryptocurrency’s trading in the country.

I am not surprised that Chinese authorities are acting to put a lid on bitcoin BTCUSD, -3.16% trading. What is surprising is why more governments, including the U.S., are not doing the same.

China’s slam of bitcoin should be viewed through how its own currency, the yuan USDCNY, +0.0046%  , correlates to bitcoin. In June the Chinese yuan hit a low of 6.86 to the dollar, while in September amid the bitcoin crackdown the yuan appreciation accelerated, changing hands at one point at 6.44. The bulk of the appreciation in the yuan (fewer yuan per dollar means a stronger yuan) has come in the past three months, just in time for the 19th National Congress of the Communist Party of China next month (see chart).

The point is that the Chinese leadership would do anything to keep the Chinese economy going in order to keep power at this important juncture in Chinese history. Messing with the yuan exchange rate, or with bitcoin for that matter, is one of the tools to meet their goals before the October summit.

The bitcoin ban is a way for China to enforce capital controls, given the $1 trillion that has left the country since the summer of 2014. Foreign exchange reserves have stabilized in 2017, and risen by less than $100 billion. The clampdown on outflows, the rebound in the yuan, and the bitcoin ban all comprise multiple steps taken by Chinese authorities to assure smooth sailing at the National Congress.

The yuan-engineered short squeeze took its first big victim on Sept. 6, when Corriente Advisors threw in the towel after a bearish bet on the yuan resulted in a $240 million loss. Using yuan options, forwards, and most other derivatives unfortunately makes any bear easily detectable by the Chinese authorities, who in some cases directly oversee the financial intermediaries that facilitate those bets in Hong Kong. So, if the Chinese authorities know where the shorts are and what the terms of the derivative contract are, it won't be hard to squeeze them with $3 trillion in forex reserves. This is precisely what they may be doing.

Two years in a row, we experienced huge overnight spikes in the Hongkong Inter-Bank Offer Rate (HIBOR) market, where in one case overnight yuan borrowing costs rose to 66%, while the following year they topped 100%. I have no doubt that the People’s Bank of China engineered those moves in order to squeeze the yuan shorts on multiple fronts. The latest sharp appreciation of the yuan before the October summit is also designed to do damage to yuan bears and to show that the PBOC is in control of the Chinese financial system.

The PBOC-engineered short squeezes do absolutely nothing to change the dynamic in which the Chinese economy's growth rate has slowed dramatically, while borrowing has surged and keep surging. China's "total social financing" does not include shadow banking leverage, which adds another 100% to the total debt to GDP leverage ratio, making the total close to 400% and still rising (see chart).

When I examined this dynamic of rising leverage ratios and a slowing economy, coupled with a stock market crash in 2015, I thought that by 2017 the strain in the financial system would begin to show and the Chinese economy would experience a hard landing. The fact that it has not happened does not mean it won't happen. There is no such thing as "controlling a credit bubble" after it begins to pop. The Chinese authorities may have slowed this process down, but I doubt they will be able to prevent the hard landing. Watch out in 2018.
2548  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: Which exchange has the largest number of altcoins available? on: September 22, 2017, 11:27:51 AM
how is this website trade.com?
It doesn´t seem to be a cryptocurrency exchange, am I wrong?
Never heard about that site. Stay away from it for safe, just use other trustworthy exchange site. All exchange sites name have been given by frelabit

This. Pretty much all cryptocurrency exchanges will do an ANN thread on bitcointalk - so search this site for them. If you can't find them, they are likely a scam site so stay away.
2549  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why does China hate Bitcoin? on: September 22, 2017, 11:23:12 AM
Well It's true China ban Bitcoin but that's mean's they hate bitcoin. The people of China love bitcoin as well as cryptocurrencies. There are some reason that's why they ban Bitcoin Not for they hate it.

If they totally ban bitcoin then it's safe to conclude that they they hate it, isn't it?

The people of China loves bitcoin, but what can you do if the government doesn't want it in their backyard? So banning bitcoin would only hurt their citizens, but they doesn't care because they will always do what they think is right for their country. Unfortunately many of them have relied on bitcoin too much like in mining, who I assume have a lot of workers monitoring it 24x7 and an outright ban of everything bitcoin related would really affect those workers in the end.

They can't do squat because they live in a system designed around autocracy. And they keep making excuses for keeping the autocracy too - people truly get the governments they deserve.
2550  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: Overseas Exchanges! on: September 22, 2017, 10:48:38 AM
Beside Bitcoinbase, which is regardless if you like it or not are well establish one, we are missing having a well recognize establish exchanges! We need one in Europe beside Bitstamps, we need on in Africa, one in Latin america, one in far Asia (In English).

I don't know there are so many geo areas..But most are so small you feel so much worry about.

And Eastern Europe, plus Russian based don't give much of trust outside that area. ( With respect)

You can use Kraken if you want to trade btc/eur, and withdraw using SEPA.

Latin America has loads of exchanges, as does India, Indonesia and so on.

Not sure where you got the idea there weren't any exchanges - they're popping up everywhere.
2551  Economy / Speculation / Re: What price you expect bitcoin by 30 September? on: September 22, 2017, 09:51:49 AM
Going by the TA it should drop.

But bitcoin really moves based on geopolitics. The first truly big surge in 2013 came when Cyprus forced a bail-in on the banks, confiscating people's savings.

Well we have another potential flashpoint on October 1st as the Catalans try to break away from Spain. Depending how Spain reacts, we could see a rush to safety towards both bitcoin and gold. (So far Spain looks like it might get violent).
2552  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Where to most people change their BTC back into fiat? on: September 22, 2017, 03:46:05 AM
I've come across a number of places that will exchange BTC into fiat currency, but all have a shockingly bad exchange rate.

What methods offer the best exchange rate these days?


Where are you located?

If you are American and want to withdraw dollars, then Coinbase is your best bet.

If you are European, then use Kraken (they can even do a SEPA with euros into a British bank account and you will receive pounds).

If you are Korean, there are a bunch of korean exchanges that allow you to withdraw won. Ditto with the ruppee, rupiah etc - there are local exchanges pretty much all over the world that will allow you to withdraw in your local currency.
2553  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is the China FUD over ? on: September 22, 2017, 03:00:39 AM
First thing's first, it ain't fud. The chinese government just did it to get rid of all the scammers and have enforced due regulations to their country. Because they are obsessed with their image more than how they are obsessed with money.

The waves of worries may have passed already because the prie of btc is recovering, but the thing is, china is unpredictable. So we really cannot say for sure what is over and what is not.

I was pretty hopeful that the wave of bad news would be done after the market absorbed the ICO and exchange bans. But it sounds like there is more to come. I haven't seen any reputable sources confirm the story about banning the Bitcoin network itself. But there are reputable VCs with sources on the ground who are saying, "we haven’t seen the worst yet." Apparently we're talking about a complete ban on OTC trading at least. We could even be looking at a mining ban, or a state takeover of mining operations: https://twitter.com/bitcom21/status/910579445198602240

The FUD is strong right now... Undecided

There are rumours too, about banning mining or the Chinese govt taking over mining.

The only way to completely end the whole China hassle is for mining to restart in the rest of the world. I understand that now that the Japanese have legalised bitcoin, several big conglomorates have expressed an intention to get into mining. If so, that would really stabalise bitcoin because the mining would be done in a state that had legalised it, and would be backed by mainstream business not shady operators no-one knows anything about.
2554  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin without China on: September 22, 2017, 02:34:02 AM
To reach new highs, China isn't necessary at all as bitcoin is used worldwide and doesn't rely on a certain country.

Just to clarify, China has prohibited exchanges to and from fiat money. They didn't prohibit mining and I haven't heard that the possession is also not allowed.

Apparently, there are more regulations coming down the pipeline, and we haven't seen the end of it. In addition to banning exchanges, supposedly the most conservative outcome is banning all OTC trading. But we could be looking at a state takeover of mining operations. I would say that any miners residing in China have an uncertain future right now.



Yikes. That would be bearish for bitcoin. Investors tolerate private Chinese mining operations, but to put so much faith in something where your transactions are validated by the Chinese govt? Nah.

If that happens, I can see a flippening happening and people switching to Ethereum especially if the POS comes off.
2555  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: Exchanges are getting greedy as F*uck with their listing fees on: September 21, 2017, 05:26:41 PM
Have you thought about trying a decentralised exchange like Openledge?

https://openledger.io/create-account

At the bottom of the screen is "add coin" and they'll respond to you within three days.

2556  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: If Bitcoin skyrockets, how will it affect alt coin prices? on: September 21, 2017, 05:11:19 PM
This might be a dumb question, but I thought I'd ask it anyway. I've noticed that every time Bitcoin significantly drops it drags down the prices of alt coins. Now let's assume that the price of Bitcoin skyrockets in August. Would that increase the price of most alt coins as a result?
Everything depends, if bitcoin takes off, then other coins will not remain in the shadows and will also tend to go up as well as altos. Therefore, we are waiting for the moment.
Why is it so? why all the altcoins are dependent on bitcoin? What is the relationship of altcoins with the bitcoin? If bitcoin price is to be be praised then what are the atcoins here for? It simply indicates that bitcoin is the genuine and the rest are just useless clones.

When bitcoin goes up it attracts newbies who come into the cryptocurrency space and unvestigate it. They often feel bitcoin is "too expensive" and decide to invest in alts because they might be "the next big thing". Which is why a bitcoin rise tends to lift the whole cryptocurrency space.
2557  Economy / Speculation / Re: Nice ride but i'm dumping on: September 21, 2017, 03:03:49 PM

You don't seem very bright considering you said you would buy back BCash instead of the real Bitcoin, BCash being a joke coin with a dead github and a dead blockchain that ironically can't even fill 100 bytes of transactions, but i'll byte:

1. Roger Ver is a clown. We've had XT, Classic, Unlimited, Cash.. the list goes on. All altforks will fail and never will dethrone the real bitcoin. Segwit2x will join this list.



Actually I think you are wrong about bitcoincash and OP is right.

Japanese financial company SBI has been giving a talk to a fintech conference, and here is what the CEO had to say:

https://mobile.twitter.com/ethxcc/status/910706407401328640

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He made SBI Crypto before BCH fork. He will take 30% share in BCH mining.

2/
He thinks "8MB" block will the determining factor for the dominance over the others.

That's bullish for BitcoinCash
2558  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: JP Morgan purchased XBT shares on: September 21, 2017, 02:42:59 PM
Jamie Dimon is now in trouble for his bitcoin comments:

http://www.cityam.com/272451/jamie-dimon-faces-market-abuse-report-after-his-comments

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Blockswater, an algorithmic liquidity provider, has filed a market abuse report against Jamie Dimon for "spreading false and misleading information" about bitcoin.

The firm filed the report with the Swedish Financial Supervisory Authority against JP Morgan Chase and Dimon, the company's chief executive.

Blockswater said Dimon violated Article 12 of the European Union's Market Abuse Regulation (MAR) by declaring that cryptocurrency bitcoin was "a fraud".

The influential executive last week slammed cryptocurrencies, pushing the digital currency to a three-week low.

Dimon said he would fire an employee who traded in cryptocurrencies for being "stupid".

The complaint said Dimon's statement negatively impacted "the cryptocurrency's price and reputation". It also said Dimon "knew, or ought to have known, that the information he disseminated was false and misleading".

"Jamie Dimon's public assertions did not only affect the reputation of bitcoin, they harmed the interests of some of his own clients and many young businesses that are working hard to create a better financial system,” said Florian Schweitzer, managing partner at Blockswater. ​

Blockswater said JP Morgan traded bitcoin derivatives for their clients on Stockholm-based exchange Nasdaq Nordic before and after Dimon's statements, which Schweitzer said "smells like market manipulation".
2559  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Mexico's Bitso Exchange Raises Cryptocurrencies for Mexican Earthquake Victims on: September 21, 2017, 02:26:08 PM
https://news.bitcoin.com/bitso-exchange-raises-cryptocurrencies-for-mexican-earthquake-victims/

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The Mexican bitcoin exchange Bitso has announced they are soliciting donations for victims of the 7.1 magnitude earthquake that took place on September 19. The trading platform was previously raising funds for the devastating quake that took place on September 7.

Mexico is having an unfortunate time with catastrophic earthquakes that took place over the past two weeks killing hundreds of people. According to the trading platform Bitso’s recent blog post, the startup is asking for donations in BTC, XRP, and ETH in it’s “Bitcoin Aids Mexico” fundraiser. Bitso says the donations will be sent to the Mexico-based Red Cross center and the local earthquake rescue crew Brigada de Rescate Topos Tlaltelolco A.C.   

“Unfortunately Mexico has been hit with another devastating earthquake. Please support Mexico by making donations via BTC, ETH, or XRP,” explains the Bitso exchange.

 "Bitso will provide verifiable receipts signed by Mexico’s Central Bank that donations were made. Please help raise awareness by using the hashtag #BitcoinAidMexico.

2560  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LSK] Lisk | Blockchain Application Platform for JavaScript Developers on: September 21, 2017, 02:00:13 PM
Investopedia has just mentioned Lisk as one of their picks for bitcoin alternatives:

http://www.investopedia.com/trading/4-topperforming-alternatives-bitcoin/

(Investopedia readers tend to be mainstream people who invest in stocks and shares)
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