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2581  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: October - China back in the game ? on: October 10, 2017, 04:19:57 PM
If China says they will be back this week, the price could go direct to 10k
2582  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 10, 2017, 04:14:46 PM
52%. Is anyone believing that could pass 60% before November?
2583  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin GOLD - A well thought Scam? on: October 10, 2017, 04:11:52 AM
This need to be more spread. It is a Scam, just that. People could make some shit and lose funds because of this confusion. There are a lot of people that are thinking the segwit2x for is Bitcoin GOld.
2584  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: BATMAN'S TRADE SECRET: Make $$$ While Everyone Is Selling Alts for Bitcoin. on: October 10, 2017, 04:09:18 AM
I am still buying. I do not want this shit Bitcoin Gold Scam. And I do not know what will happen on 2x.
2585  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: OMG on: October 10, 2017, 04:07:16 AM
What price will be in 2018?
That depends on the ethereum fork, if that goes smoothly and that will be affecting the omg price because i just know that omg will be involved in the plasma project. I think that should be touched double digit before 2018
will hardfork etherum be successful Huh

What is the date of this HardFork? I am still too much confused about. There is so many things happen. It is hard to follow.
2586  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: 2X or not 2X. That is the question. on: October 10, 2017, 12:50:24 AM
Who exactly support 2x?

I have seen names that support BCh, people that will support BTgold. But who are the persons, and not companies, that are supporting bitcoin 2x?
2587  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2017-10-7]Bitcoin.org Threatens to Publicly Denounce SegWit2x-Supporters on: October 09, 2017, 11:52:13 PM
I think this discussion is useful

https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/bitcoin.org/pull/1836#issuecomment-335028210

Exchange and other companies need to be more vocal about how they will handle.
2588  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [OMG] OmiseGO - Speculation & Discussion on: October 09, 2017, 05:58:14 AM
WIll soon be back to 11.

People are buying BItcoin because of the shit BGold coin they could get for free. And that is good because you could buy great Tokens cheaper.
2589  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Bitcoin Gold, Price Speculation on: October 09, 2017, 05:53:52 AM
Nobody will buy that coin. The price would be less than 1 satoshi. Bitcoin Cash has some support of bit whales and miners. Bitcoin GOld nobody cares about.

And bitcoin 2x will only exist for a long time if Bitcon Core is destroyed.
2590  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: WHAT is ICO on: October 09, 2017, 05:50:48 AM
ICO it is the future of everything that will happen on economics.
2591  Bitcoin / Press / [2017-09-28]If there’s a price crash in the crypto, it could hit the tech sector on: October 09, 2017, 04:54:49 AM
Why Bitcoin’s Bubble Matters
If there’s a price crash in the cryptocurrency, it could hit the tech sector—and more
Bitcoin’s 18-month gain is 1,000% and it has yet to find a widespread use outside of speculation.
Bitcoin’s 18-month gain is 1,000% and it has yet to find a widespread use outside of speculation. ILLUSTRATION: DANIEL DOWNEY FOR THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
By Rob Curran
Oct. 8, 2017 10:16 p.m. ET
3 COMMENTS
Ask most people about the bitcoin bubble, and they’ll probably have the same reaction: It’s interesting, but it won’t affect me. After all, they’ll figure, they aren’t investing in bitcoin, so if there is a bubble, and it does burst, they’ll be just fine.

Well, maybe they should start worrying.

The market for cryptocurrencies—digital tokens used to transfer money between individuals’ computers with minimal fees—has grown in stature in recent years and is increasingly entwined with broader financial markets as well, a trend that is likely to continue. Bitcoin is now traded by some of the institutional investors around which bond and stock markets revolve. The Wall Street Journal has reported that Goldman Sachs Group Inc. GS -0.02% is considering opening bitcoin-trading operations. Cryptocurrencies also are being used to raise capital by more companies.

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As the bubble grows, analysts say, a crash has a greater chance of affecting investor sentiment about stocks, especially in the technology and financial sectors.

“Any product that blows up, there’s always collateral damage,” says Joe Kinahan, chief market strategist at brokerage TD Ameritrade . Tech and financial “companies who are relying on it for business, and those who have put a significant investment into the [blockchain] infrastructure would be the first” to suffer collateral damage, Mr. Kinahan says.

What has some market observers concerned is that in less than six months, bitcoin went from around $1,000 a token to $5,000. It is back now to $4,400. But in early 2016, bitcoin was trading at less than $400, bringing its 18-month gain to 1,000%. Consider that the math-based currency has yet to find a widespread use outside of speculation, and warnings of an implosion from J.P. Morgan Chase Chief Executive James Dimon and others in the financial establishment sound like more than curmudgeonry.

At around $150 billion, the market capitalization of bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies is up by a factor of roughly eight this year, according to the Cointelegraph website. If this growth rate continues, what’s now a relatively small part of global investible assets could become a significant one, says Lorenzo Di Mattia, manager of hedge fund Sibilla Global Fund and a student of the history of speculation. By next year, Mr. Di Mattia expects the bubble to have inflated to the point where a pop could send a shock wave through the stock market.

Another analyst says bitcoin is at a similar stage in its development as the internet was in 1994, early in the speculative bubble. “What we’re looking at is a new technology that people are still trying to understand,” says Matthew Gertler, senior analyst and counsel at Digital Asset Research, which provides research to institutional investors on cryptocurrency issues.

Give bitcoin its due: Most people in finance agree that bitcoin and the blockchain, the open-access ledger that underpins the currency, were great inventions; even as J.P. Morgan’s Mr. Dimon derides bitcoin as a “fraud,” his bank is working on its own blockchain technology.

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The bitcoin invention goes back to a 2008 blueprint signed by Satoshi Nakamoto and circulated on the internet. When a bitcoin owner transfers a token to another person, he or she posts the transaction to the blockchain, a simple account book floating on the internet, signing it with a unique string of numbers and letters. Bitcoin “miners” verify the transaction by running those numbers through formulas on high-powered computers, work for which they are paid mostly in newly minted bitcoin. For the users, fees are relatively low and transactions are—in theory—fraud-proof.

Clever as it is, however, bitcoin has shown no signs of replacing the dollar and other “fiat” currencies.

“For bitcoin to be a success, it needs to take a large part of various markets—remittances, payments, stored value,” says Mr. Gertler.

Meanwhile, speculation in bitcoin—driven by hopes of its wider adoption—actually has diminished its usefulness as a means of exchange.

“Say you agree to buy a car [in bitcoin] and the price on Saturday is $32,000 and because of a bitcoin move, on Monday it’s $41,000—people just can’t live their lives like that,” says Mr. Kinahan of TD Ameritrade.

Nvidia vulnerable
A crash in the price of leading cryptocurrencies would almost certainly hurt shares of Nvidia Corp. NVDA 0.29% , the chip maker that was the biggest percentage gainer on the S&P 500 in 2016, and its rival Advanced Micro Devices Inc., at least temporarily. Both companies have noted in their quarterly filings that cryptocurrency miners are a key source of demand for their graphic chips. Sales of chips to cryptocurrency sources represented 6.7% of Nvidia’s fiscal second-quarter revenue of $2.23 billion.

“Anybody getting more than 5% of their business from crypto, it’s starting to become significant and you could see their stock prices very quickly collapse” in the event of a bubble bursting, says Mr. Kinahan.

Spokesmen for Nvidia and AMD declined to comment for this article.

Other companies at risk include those in financial technology, or “fintech,” one of the hottest parts of the tech sector. Shares of the exchange-traded fund Global X FinTech (FINX), a basket of such stocks, are up 43% in 2017.

“A lot of the innovation around financial tech has to do with blockchain these days,” says Gil Luria, director of institutional equity research at brokerage DA Davidson. “So if the crypto asset values decline and that’s associated with the blockchain innovations, there could be some carry-over effect.” That possibility has some observers worried about the broader tech sector, as well, where investors are already uneasy about elevated valuations.

Another concern is the use of cryptocurrencies by some startups as a funding mechanism. Companies such as teen-oriented chat application Kik Interactive are using bitcoin-like systems to raise hundreds of millions of dollars from crowdsourced investors overnight, skirting initial-public-offering regulations and avoiding tough questions from venture capitalists. In many ICOs, or initial coin offerings, companies don’t have a product yet when they sell these stakes, says Mr. Gertler.

Shares of the online retailer Overstock.com shot up recently after it said it was exploring a trading platform for ICOs. “To the extent there’s any negative changes [in the value of cryptocurrencies], that could be to their detriment,” Mr. Luria says.

Fears about fraudulent ICOs, meanwhile, caused Chinese regulators to shut down local bitcoin exchanges recently, causing a 20% retreat in bitcoin prices.

In 18 months, however, a new bitcoin crash could have wider ramifications.

That is when Spencer Bogart, head of research with cryptocurrency investment firm Blockchain Capital, estimates that the first bitcoin ETF will reach the market. The Securities and Exchange Commission rejected a high-profile ETF proposal from Cameron and Tyler Winklevoss earlier this year, citing the lack of regulation and transparency on underlying bitcoin exchanges. But LedgerX LLC recently received Commodity Futures Trading Commission permission to trade and clear bitcoin options and futures. ETF firm ProShares filed an application for long and short funds that would track bitcoin futures on the Chicago Board Options Exchange , which has said it would apply for approval of these derivatives.

An ETF’s effect?
The appearance of an ETF would result in another surge in speculative activity as small investors wary of the high-tech bitcoin markets and institutional investors obliged to trade only registered securities finally have a way in, say Mr. Bogart and others.

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“We see it on our desk every day,” said Bobby Cho, at Cumberland Mining, a bitcoin-focused unit of Chicago proprietary trading firm DRW Investments LLC that works with institutional investors. “Many just go ahead and trade the underlying [tokens], but many more are just sitting on the sidelines waiting for a product…. There’s a lot of pent-up demand for such a product.”

One sign of that demand is the wild behavior of the closest thing to an ETF on the market, the over-the-counter-traded Bitcoin Investment Trust . GBTC -1.15% Owing to the trust’s design, where shares must be owned by wealthy investors for a year before they can sell, there is a limited supply. This shortage became acute when fund manager Grayscale Investments LLC suspended creation of new shares in January while it sought SEC approval for an exchange listing (it abandoned that particular effort in late September). For about four months, the fund traded at nearly a 100% premium to its bitcoin holdings. Usually spreads between ETFs and the underlying indexes are measured in fractions of percentage points.

Currently, bitcoin markets have very limited links to stocks, bonds and commodities, allowing for some quarantine. An ETF would allow for the kind of “contagion”—the forced selling of seemingly unrelated assets—that bring on financial crises.

Joe Saluzzi, co-founder of agency brokerage Themis Trading, says that if the SEC approves an ETF based on bitcoin futures, it would sow the seeds for a market crisis.

“You’re going to put a derivative on a derivative of an unregulated asset?” says Mr. Saluzzi. “That, to me, is a recipe for disaster.”

Mr. Curran, a writer in Denton, Texas, is a regular contributor to Dow Jones Newswires and The Wall Street Journal. Email him at rob.curran@dowjones.com.

Appeared in the October 9, 2017, print edition.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-bitcoins-bubble-matters-1507515361?mod=e2tw
2592  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Pump & Dump Trading Bot | Free on: October 09, 2017, 03:47:30 AM
This looks promise. I will try it.
2593  Local / Criptomoedas Alternativas / [ANN] Potatoken on: October 08, 2017, 05:22:32 AM

Winter has come, store PotaTokens


Token versátil

Enquanto não tiver com fome, possuir PotaToken tem algumas das mesmas vantagens que possuir batatas: você pode olhar para elas, se orgulhar delas, emprestar, comprá-las e não comê-las.
Além disso, o PotaToken pode ser armazenado com segurança por longos períodos de tempo sem se preocupar muito com a luz ou a umidade. Não germina nem estraga com o tempo


Escolha verde


O PotaToken não contém GMO ou pesticidas, mesmo nos regulamentos mais drásticos. Não rouba terras aráveis, nem participa do desmatamento. Se você se preocupa com o meio ambiente, você se importará com o PotaToken.
Quando o Ethereum iniciar Proof of Stack, será ainda mais verde.


Casos em que o PotaToken não se encaixa


Se você está com fome, o PotaToken não é comestível. Batata crua também não é, poder ser tóxica. Comer a sua carteira de hardware não é aconselhável, embora mais pesquisas precisam ser feitas para confirmar tal fato.
Outra limitação do PotaToken é que você não pode transformar o PotaToken diretamente em bebida alcolica. Você precisa encontrar uma terceira pessoa disposta a trocar



2594  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Vitalik Buterin: Yes, I'm an advisor of wetrust. on: October 08, 2017, 02:55:08 AM
Vitalik Buterin‏Verified account @VitalikButerin  11m11 minutes ago
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Yes, I'm an advisor of wetrust. No, I do not have tokens. No, my interest in decentralized insurance should NOT be construed....

2595  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What is your top ICO for November? on: October 07, 2017, 06:21:29 AM
+1 for Electroneum. You should check out. Great team, amazing roadmap, and the whitepaper is really simple to understand.
2596  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: WALTONCHAIN - this has massive massive potential on: October 07, 2017, 05:56:32 AM
RFID patents could be really big. I will start to observe this token. I am not really confident about the potential, but if they deliver everything they promise.
2597  Local / Criptomoedas Alternativas / [ANN] 🔴PREVENDA🔴]♠️NOCTA - A PRIMEIRA PLATAFORMA MUNDIAL PARA SEXO 💋 on: October 07, 2017, 05:49:07 AM

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70% serão distribuidos durante PRESALE e ICO.
A campanha de pré-venda terminará em 30 de outubro de 2017 às 16:00 (UTC). A taxa de pré-venda será de 10 000 NOCTA por 1 ETH hardcap de 1000 ETH. A ICO começará no primeiro trimestre de 2018. A data atual será anunciada mais tarde. A taxa será 2000 NOCTA por 1 ETH. O limite rígido para ICO será 100 000 ETH. Todos os tokens não utilizados serão destruídos após o término da ICO.





2598  Economy / Service Discussion / Is the realbitmining.com company legitimate? on: October 07, 2017, 04:54:17 AM
They say they have a partnership with Bitmain. How do I know if this is true? Is there any place where I can check which companies Bitmain has partnered with?

Btw, is it possible to buy a mining contract from Bitmain?

Many companies that are a Ponzi scheme say they have contracts with Bitmain. It would be very important to have a place to check if something like this is true.
2599  Bitcoin / Press / [2017-10-06]Bitcoin Exchange Denies Getting Hacked After Customers Lose $3 Milli on: October 07, 2017, 12:31:32 AM
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/bitcoin-exchange-denies-getting-hacked-after-customers-lose-3-million/

OKEx, a Bitcoin exchange based in China, issued a statement over the weekend, denying it was hacked and blaming recent thefts on careless users who didn't secure their accounts.

Rumors that hackers breached OKEx started since the end of August when several users began complaining about funds disappearing from their accounts.

Victims reported losing a collective of over 600 Bitcoin, worth around 20 million Chinese yuan, at the time of the thefts, or around 3 million US dollars today. One user alone reported losing over 200 Bitcoin. Users reported seeing German IPs logging into their account just before the thefts.

Exchange says only a few users affected. Not general hack.
Most victims are OKEx customers, but some OKCoin users reported similar thefts. OKEx and OKCoin are sister sites, managed by the same Chinese company.

Both OKEx and OKCoin have denied getting hacked.

"OKEx was NOT hacked. All client assets are safe and sound," said Lennix Lai, Director of Financial Market at OKEx and OKCoin.

The company said it believes that hackers compromised just a few individual customer accounts, either due to poor security or after the owners fell for phishing attacks.

Company recommends turning on 2FA
Following the negative publicity, OKEx published a statement on the incidents, reminding customers to enable two-factor authentication (2FA) for their accounts.

According to CoinMarketCap, OKEx is ranked the 46th most popular exchange by volume, while OKCoin is ranked 16th. Based on Bitcoin transactions alone, OKCoin is ranked as the sixth largest exchange in the world.

Chinese news agency JRJ, who first reported the incidents, points out that China has banned Bitcoin trading, meaning victims can't go to the police to report and investigate the thefts.

Over the weekend, it also came to light that hackers compromised the website of the Etherparty ICO and switched the ICO wallet address, tricking users into sending funds to the wrong address. Etherparty said it would compensate affected users for their losses.
2600  Economy / Speculation / Re: Another Bitcoin fork on 25 October on: October 06, 2017, 05:47:03 AM
It is just an altcoin that will try gain traction using Bitcoin. Will go to zero in less than 2 months. But the 2xBitcoin on November is something that nobody know what could happen.
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