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2581  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How much block size we need to replace visa transactions? on: January 18, 2016, 02:21:03 AM
i agree with you but how many hard forks we need to go there? Are bitcoin ready for one ore two maybe three hard fork drama for every years and for the next 16 years? Can Developers create a code in bitcoin core for the block size to autoscale with the number of transcactions and with a proper solution for the spam attack?
You have to be sure that the drama is also "real", after the next hard fork, maybe users will have a more open mind, or more into the reality.

Also, after some next hard forks, maybe there will be a dynamic size solution.

Again, I think that the "common user", between the choice of making the transaction on OT/LN off-chian solutions or on-chain (at the same price, example: 0.0001 BTC), he will prefer the off-chain solution the majority of the times. (because faster)
2582  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How much block size we need to replace visa transactions? on: January 18, 2016, 01:40:55 AM
There are many type of tx and situations that can be solved with other tech as the incoming Open Transactions and Lightening Network.

But still users will need to be always able to freely choose if making the tx on-chain or off-chain.

They will probably choose to use off-chain solutions because they will be faster (costing less "time", few seconds instead of 10 minutes) but not cheaper (trying avoiding virtual forced higher costs)

And then, blocks will be naturally smaller. (without using tricks/force)
2583  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Competing nodes - List of BTC implementations in competition for the Blockchain on: January 17, 2016, 02:15:22 PM
thx for making this HostFat, i think that is a valuable summary. is theymos allowing that these days?  Roll Eyes
I hope so, but please avoid this argument here now.
2584  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Competing nodes - List of BTC implementations in competition for the Blockchain on: January 17, 2016, 01:55:20 PM
@shorena
Added.


Fair enough - I searched and wasn't able to find F2Pool thoughts on Classic. Edited my original post - there's enough other pools that support Classic at this point, it's not to be ignored.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=700411.msg13571787#msg13571787
Policy change announcement: We support the hard fork effort to increase the max block size to 2MB. Seg-wit may be deployed together in this hard fork if it can be ready in time, or it can be merged later. Non-controversial features in the hard fork wishlist, if it does not delay the hard fork process, can be deployed at the same time. The hard fork should be implemented in Core, eventually. “Bitcoin” Classic, which despite was born on the same day that XT dies, is an attempt that could make the hard fork happen sooner. We welcome Classic. We are going to cease support for FSS-RBF after upgrading to version 0.12, some time in the next few weeks. We may not implement the opt-in RBF feature. We believe that we should do everything we can do to make 0-conf transactions as secure as possible. We do not believe the concept of fee market.
2585  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Competing nodes - List of BTC implementations in competition for the Blockchain on: January 17, 2016, 05:47:56 AM
I've added bitcoin.org as bitcoin website.

On https://bitcoincore.org/en/releases/0.11.2/ there is also the link to download binaries on bitcoin.org.
I'm sure that they'll add them on bitcoincore.org as well.
2586  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Competing nodes - List of BTC implementations in competition for the Blockchain on: January 17, 2016, 05:41:01 AM
bitcoincore.org is going to be the official website of Bitcoin Core. (I think that it is already official)
Links to the download are already present here https://bitcoincore.org/en/releases/0.11.2/

They are updating it day by day, bitcoin.org is already well known as website and it's more a general website.
2587  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Competing nodes - List of BTC implementations in competition for the Blockchain on: January 17, 2016, 04:36:35 AM
Are these all software that will fork the blockchain? If so, I don't think Btcd and Bitcoin LJR belong since they don't implement anything that would fork.
No.

I've added this text:
"Some of them may have rules that can results in soft fork and hard fork, so you have to understand them before choosing which one you will install on your system."

Do you think that it's better to show a "flag" to indicate that the node will push for an hard fork over the most used one node?

EDIT
Added
2588  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Competing nodes - List of BTC implementations in competition for the Blockchain on: January 17, 2016, 04:17:59 AM
This is a list of the competing full nodes currently available.

Some of them may have rules that can results in a soft fork and/or a hard fork, so you have to understand them before choosing which one you will install on your system.
Near the name of the node there can be a "flag" -> HF - This means that if a majority of the network (usually over a % of blocks) will update to this node over the most used before, than it will hard fork.
But, you should always check for updates on their official website to be sure about last minute updates.

I'll try to maintain this list updated as possible.
Advices are welcome.

The discussion is self-moderated, I'll probably delete spam (and paid sig spam) and trolling.

The first is the most used node currently, the others are in random order.


Bitcoin Core
Site: https://bitcoincore.org
Code: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin

BTCD (new implementation in Go)
Code: https://github.com/btcsuite/btcd

Bitcoin Unlimited (Core fork) - HF
Site: http://www.bitcoinunlimited.info
Subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoin_unlimited
Code: https://github.com/BitcoinUnlimited/BitcoinUnlimited

Bitcoin Classic (Core fork) - HF
Site: https://bitcoinclassic.com
Subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoin_classic
Code: https://github.com/bitcoinclassic

Bitcoin Knots (Core fork)
Site: http://bitcoinknots.org/
Code: https://github.com/luke-jr/bitcoin

Bitcoin XT (Core fork) - HF
Site: https://bitcoinxt.software
Subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt
Code: https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt

BitcoinJ (common used as Java SPV node only, it has an experimental full verification)
Site: https://bitcoinj.github.io/full-verification
Code: https://github.com/bitcoinj/bitcoinj
Release notes: https://bitcoinj.github.io/release-notes

Toshi (new implementation in Ruby)
Site: https://toshi.io/
Code: https://github.com/coinbase/toshi

The Bitcoin Foundation (not "Bitcoin Foundation" - Fork of old Bitcoin code)
Site: http://thebitcoin.foundation/
Code: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/

Haskoin (new implementation in Haskell)
Code: https://github.com/haskoin/haskoin

Libbitcoin (new implementation in C++)
Site: https://libbitcoin.org
Code: https://github.com/libbitcoin/libbitcoin

Bcoin (new implementation in Javascript)
Site: http://bcoin.io - http://bcoin.io/browser.html
Code: https://github.com/bcoin-org/bcoin


Blocks stats
https://coin.dance/blocks
http://nodecounter.com/#bitcoin_classic_blocks

Node stats:
https://bitnodes.21.co
https://coin.dance/nodes
http://nodecounter.com

Fee & Size stats (other stats?)
https://www.btc.com/en/stats/block-size
https://statoshi.info/dashboard/db/fee-and-priority-estimates

Bitcoin website (different owners)
https://bitcoin.org
https://www.bitcoin.com
http://bitcoinforks.org - Proposing hard forks

General subreddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoin - Against hard fork
https://www.reddit.com/r/btc - Open to hard fork
https://www.reddit.com/r/Btcfork - Proposing hard forks
2589  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 3 commits core developer ? on: January 17, 2016, 02:27:19 AM
@drawingthesun

Yep, here it can be seen better.

https://github.com/bitcoinj/bitcoinj/graphs/contributors
https://github.com/vinumeris/lighthouse/graphs/contributors
https://github.com/mikehearn/PayFile/graphs/contributors
2590  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: I support "Bitcoin Classic" (2MB), if the activation threshold is over 95% on: January 17, 2016, 02:12:36 AM
There's no difference between an activation threshold of 75% (or 51%) and 95% because pro-fork miners can just start rejecting blocks from anti-fork miners to increase the percentage. Miner voting is a stupid concept for hardforks -- it's the economy that matters in a hardfork, not miners.
Pro-fork miners need to be over 50% of the power (or the sum) to start having an incentive to rejecting blocks of other miners, otherwise they will have a higher risk of getting orphaned.

Still, as the logic says (and as it was seen at hong kong event), miners are totally afraid of making decisions, because the value of their prize doesn't come from them, but from who accepts their coins.

They will never try to make a hard fork (a new type of Bitcoin token) if they aren't sure that the larger majority of the network (users, exchange, payment processor, etc ...) will accept them.
2591  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: Bitstamp permette di ricevere oro fisico on: January 16, 2016, 09:26:05 PM
PEr curiosità ho provato a registrarmi su bitstamp, ma è normale che chieda i documenti subito ? Non mi fa vedere nemmeno l'indirizzo del deposito senza mandare i documenti
Si.

Le uniche eccezioni fra gli exchange che trattano moneta fiat eur, usd ecc ... sono Kraken e BTC-e.
2592  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: I support "Bitcoin Classic" (2MB), if the activation threshold is over 95% on: January 16, 2016, 07:07:29 AM
75% is the majority of the miners, but miners will not move until they are sure that a very large majority of the network will support them.

The will never try create coins that no one will accept. The value of Bitcoin is given by the network (users, exchange, payment processor, etc ...)
2593  Local / Discussioni avanzate e sviluppo / Re: Mike Hearn se la prende con Bitcoin e dichiara il fallimento del esperimento. on: January 16, 2016, 03:09:30 AM
Mike è stato ripetutamente attaccato personalmente, e chiunque prendesse le sue difese censurato e/o bannato.

Ha fatto molto per Bitcoin, esempio, se ci sono wallet che funzionano collegandosi a nodi casuali e non a server specifici, senza bisogno di scaricare tutta la blockchain, è grazie  a lui.

Vedersi trattato cosi immagino che dal suo punto di vista sia visto proprio come un tradimento da parte di chi lui hai più dedicato tempo.

Riguardo a XT, oltre all'incertezza, e altre modifiche dubbie (come bloccare le connessioni di nodi Tor durante dos ai nodi), chi si avvicinava all'idea di attivare nodi o minare blocchi è stato continuamente dossato o minacciato di ban su bitcoin.org, r/bitcoin e Bitcointalk.

Non si è mai trattata di una scelta libera.

Per quanto mi riguarda, la disfatta di mike, con il caos di oggi (dove era impossibile fare transazioni, non so se avete notato), penso che sia stato alla fine un sacrificio utile al fine ultimo di uscire da questa situazione.

Attualmente c'è molto movimento riguardo a Bitcoin Classic, e il caos di oggi credo che sia stato utile ad attirare ancora altri interessati al progetto.
2594  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Hearn's "Faith in Humanity Shaken" after People Awaken to His EVIL Plan! on: January 14, 2016, 10:48:02 PM
Is what I read true that the Bitcoin network has lots of congestion and that transactions take too long?
Yes.

Just look here and remember how much you had to pay before
http://estimatefee.appspot.com/

It will be worse day by day if no solution will happen.
2595  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: Bitstamp permette di ricevere oro fisico on: January 14, 2016, 05:09:43 PM
@erre
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=301242.0
2596  Bitcoin / Press / delete me on: January 14, 2016, 04:35:57 PM
delete me
2597  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: Bitstamp permette di ricevere oro fisico on: January 14, 2016, 11:28:33 AM
Certo si potrebbe provare a chiedere Smiley
2598  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: New Bitcoin Killer App: “FIAT to BTC to FIAT” on: January 13, 2016, 05:38:22 PM
It seems just like uphold.com
2599  Local / Accuse scam/truffe / Re: EMAIL PISHING E TENATAT TRUFFA NeddyHildaHure on: January 13, 2016, 01:35:18 PM
E' quindi un altro diverso da quello che hai già segnalato?
2600  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Analysis and list of top big blocks shills (XT #REKT ignorers) on: January 12, 2016, 11:53:22 PM
After the failure of XT Gavin moved to "Bitcoin Classic" and he calls it the vision of Satoshi.  Roll Eyes

https://bitcoinclassic.com/

"The data shows consensus amongst miners for an immediate 2 MB increase, and demand amongst users for 8 MB or more."

Are they wrong??

https://bitcoin.consider.it/
https://bitcoinclassic.consider.it/
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Cg9Qo9Vl5PdJYD4EiHnIGMV3G48pWmcWI3NFoKKfIzU/edit#gid=0
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