I didn't see my accounts on the updated stakeholder list? I only made two accounts early on, when it stated that you could make a few for friends and family. It was this account (Voluntold) and Wilberbone. I created one for me and my wife, that's all. If we can no longer have two, could I at least have ONE stake and have the 160nxt returned for the other one. Thanks.
Voluntold is in the list and there are no problems indicated. Wilderbone is not in the list, but I can't find her in the "older" list either. Could you post a link to the original posting ? Are you sure Voluntold is on there? I've checked several times and don't see it... I see a volcanokid, but not Voluntold. Maybe it's listed somewhere else or something. Anyways here is the original posting. Wilburbone is on page 67, Voluntold on page 65. Thank you. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=422129.1320You do realize that you can use CTRL + F to search right ? I'll add a comment for Wilburbone. |
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Hi utopianfuture,
I checked the google document and found my account is blank without Y. May I know the reason?
I checked the transaction ID: 3c490aaf3f3d41b2b04459741211a826b80a3920b17d2b9a4059d7fed7f1f2be
which has been transferred to account 1Lk5Paws9T1YpoSeLeZT7ZeSQKW7UNq4TJ
Please check it for me.
Thank you very much
Plz provide a link to your original post. @patmast3r Please see the below link for IPO: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=440185.msg5160372#msg5160372Hi admin, I might put the wrong TXID which is someone else, however, I cannot find back my transaction record since I used exchange which is not able to track the TXID. Can I resent another 0.075 BTC to you? Thanks Your exchange can't tell you the TXID ? What exchange is that ? We need to make sure that you've send those 0.075 otherwise it would be like you buying in late. |
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Hi,
I didn't see my name on this list.. I transferred to your account with TXID 18174261235277105518
I checked the last list before this audition part and there it said somebody tried to copy my hash, but that I wasn't "possible duplicate hash fraudster". It just said "duplicate hash". Please check my original message to see that I have posted first with the TXID hash above in your thread
My name is missing from the stakeholder list, could you please check that out, thanks!. My hash: 15956626506399421353
both of you will have to prove that those TX are really yours. You can do that either by providing a screenshot of the client showing the TX or by sending another small amount from the same address. Being the first to post the hash is not proof - we've had cases before where the person that was second to post the hash was the real owner. |
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In regards to his character, he already showed it. If he starts acting in a more reasonable, less troll of a way, it won't change his character, he would still be the same person.
Hard to believe that a senior member of this forum can show such childish behavior. But, to finished, I'm glad that he can hold his stake and have the opportunity to act more reasonably. This speak very good about this community!
I was simply looking out for everyone that gave Nxt or Btc to the dev fund. When I received my stake, no one had to pay. At that point, if Nem wasn't fairly distributed and had no code, no one lost anything. Later when UtopianFuture started collecting Nxt and Btc, people were at risk of losing their money. I've seen the Visacoin, Shares, Aero, etc scams and I know how eager people are to get a stake in the next Nxt. I don't think it is ethical to sell people on promises with little actual work. Writing Nem from scratch is easier said than done. People might say that I'm bashing Nem so they invest in Nxt, but the fact is that Nxt is being actively developed. If I had to pay Nxt to get Nem, I would just keep my Nxt, but everyone has the right to make their own decision. ya have a good point there.. luckily i got my stake when it was 40 nxt/stake..  worth the risk if you ask me That point is valid but that's true for every other investment/coin out there. If I ask you to pay some money and in return promise you that I will try to deliver something (it was always stated outright that this very well could fail) and you decide to do that then that's your choice and a risk you know about and voluntarily take. I don't get how that is supposed to be unethical. NEM is actively developed as well. Take a look at the trello board, the devs are making progress on a daily basis and so far it seems that things are going smoothly. I'm sorry but you just don't make any sense to me. Anyway, let's focus on the future and on getting NEM forward. |
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You've had your stake back since the list was released. You're so busy trolling that you didn't even notice. Maybe now that your but doesn't hurt so much anymore you can start being a productive member of NEM ? |
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You are there. CTRL + F Is that news to everyone ? I knew we attracted newbies but the inability to find a single word in a spreadsheet that many users are showing is just astounding. |
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I didn't see my accounts on the updated stakeholder list? I only made two accounts early on, when it stated that you could make a few for friends and family. It was this account (Voluntold) and Wilberbone. I created one for me and my wife, that's all. If we can no longer have two, could I at least have ONE stake and have the 160nxt returned for the other one. Thanks.
Voluntold is in the list and there are no problems indicated. Wilderbone is not in the list, but I can't find her in the "older" list either. Could you post a link to the original posting ? |
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on stakeholder list I am put down as duplicate hash. My hash is first so I dont see how it can be me at fault.
my number on list is 2749-thread 2.
i sent 1 nxt coin to prove it was my account and transaction number is 2260315738946426351
I check other guy Knisch on blockchain---he sent 700 nxt after me on another transaction number. I think he put my number down as mistake?
I'll add a comment to the stakeholderlist that you are legit. Thanks for providing proof. cant see comment after a day.worried I will not be on final list.maybe you not had time yet.? Sorry if your busy.!!!! Weird. I guess I didn't save the comment or something. Well it's there now. Sorry about that. Hi , I check final list and no 'tick'. i thought it was solved? Please help!!!! I currently don't know what is going on with the people that made it to the unified list but don't have a "Y". We'll sort this out plz be patient. |
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I showed the most used signature to my grandpa. Now he thinks that we are a bunch of people wearing flowers in our hair. If one knows about NEM it's pretty clear, but if you have no idea about crypto's (most people) it's not showing what we want.
So are you saying your not wearing a flower in your hair right now ?  |
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Hi!
In NEM Stakeholder list on Google Docs (Thread 2) my account marked "possible duplicate hash fraudster" with user kennywho, but
My transaction id: 2630613199547305703
kennywho transaction id: 2630402633550461799
Please correct
Noted, I'll add a comment to the list. I'm suprised you made it to the unified list without a Y in the first place. I like your signature. I like that it shows NEM, and that the E catches people's eye. Me too. I would like a copy of it. Same here!  Näääää Gave out my last signature yesterday because people liked it. I want to keep this one  |
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Hi!
In NEM Stakeholder list on Google Docs (Thread 2) my account marked "possible duplicate hash fraudster" with user kennywho, but
My transaction id: 2630613199547305703
kennywho transaction id: 2630402633550461799
Please correct
Noted, I'll add a comment to the list. I'm suprised you made it to the unified list without a Y in the first place. |
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I've added a comment to the list. You should be added at some point. |
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My plan is to use taint analysis to link closely related accounts together. And we will limit the holding of these closely related accounts to 5 stakes, anything above that would be refunded.
We can't really say for sure all these related accounts is just one person. It is possible that a group of friends is buying via one big account holder and but one account still represent one person. It is a good thing if someone can draw a close friend or two of him into crypto because of this opportunity and then they can can help to promote NEM in differently ways locally. But I would like to restrict these groups to a maximum of 5 stakes.
I asked Kooream to compile population statistics so that we can see have a glimpse of how many unique accounts/ individuals we could have. I expect group 1, accounts created before the fundraising, consists mainly of unique accounts and as well as accounts in group 2, accounts created during the fundraising but engaged in more activities. Counting both groups, we already have roughly 1500 stakeholders, so that's a good thing.
It is expected that stakeholders can buy 1 more share for loved one/ family member as well so a certain percentage of group 3 account falls into this category. A certain portion accounts in group 3 are also unique accounts but they are not yet active so they should be able to keep their shares. The remaining are likely sockpuppet accounts and we will try to refund them using the taint analysis.
I have finished the unified list and will post them momentarily. Let's wait 1-2 days before we start the public auditing. There will be guidelines and bounties announced for the efforts. Generally the public auditing includes: public checking for errors, discrepancies in the stakeholder list; public checking for big multi-accouter using taint analysis.
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what are the numbers for? 1.75E +19 5.62 E 18, E 19 1:32?? I guess those are NXT TXIDs that google docs converted into float. |
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When will this public audit happen? Oh and if I'm not mistaken utopianfuture mentioned a second nem stake opening for bigger names and larger contributers?
Audit will happen after the stakeholderlist is completed. There have been talks about a second round of registration but I'm not sure it's definite yet. I guess it'll also depend on how many stake holders there actually are. I'm sure about bigger names or larger contributors but the rules would definitely be tightened. |
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Another question?
If a person has 20 stakes, do we intend ti refund them completely ( not fair) or bring it down to an accetable level ( what ever that is)?
Yes afaik we intend to refund them completely anything else would be pretty much stealing. The deal was: However accumulating many NEM stakes goes against NEM's principles of fairness and equality, therefore the development team reserves the right to refund you the money if an effort to unfairly accumulate NEM stakes is discovered.
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I think a final stakeholders list is set to be released soon.
That's right. It'll be final but only until we start with the public auditing which will again alter the list by refunding big multi-accers and whoever wants out now that NEM becomes something more than was anticipated at the beginning. What do u mean by public auditing whats the difference ? We'll try to weed out big multi-accounters. It was said in the beginning that everyone is welcome to buy multiple stakes with multiples accounts so everyone can bring in friends and so on. However we don't want peole to buy 20 or more stakes for themselves which seems to have happend. Hate to bring this up? but its " the big elephant in the room" how do we decide its ok to have 10 accounts but not 20 ? This question will be asked many times, once multi-stakeholders are being refunded. Personally I feel even 10 stake is too much, those ten stakes could have gone to 10 more people who could be more valuable to the movement. Whats the point of owning ten stakes, they are actually only hurting themselves in the process by limiting the number of active participants who might actually raise the overall value of his one stake. How many unique members do we actually have? If we assume each person on average bought two stakes ( its a real possibility) then we only have 1500 actual member , if the average is 4 accts per head then its only 750 real people. I am not sure whats fair? Maybe 2 stakes( one for loved one) as initially stated would be the right thing to do for everyone. Remember more stakeholders equals more NEM evangelists. There are people who told friends and family and had to buy stakes for them. I do beleive that someone could get 10 people to buy stakes that's not unrealistic. However if someone has 20 (or more) stakes, bought with accounts that have all been created within half an hour that never showed any further activity payed for with transactions that all happend around the same time as well then he did not get anyone into NEM he simply created sockpuppets. It's not so much about the number it's about are those actual people or only sockpuppets. |
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I think a final stakeholders list is set to be released soon.
That's right. It'll be final but only until we start with the public auditing which will again alter the list by refunding big multi-accers and whoever wants out now that NEM becomes something more than was anticipated at the beginning. What do u mean by public auditing whats the difference ? We'll try to weed out big multi-accounters. It was said in the beginning that everyone is welcome to buy multiple stakes with multiples accounts so everyone can bring in friends and so on. However we don't want peole to buy 20 or more stakes for themselves which seems to have happend. |
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